2020 Year in Review: Dan Tordjman

All right, welcome into another in our series of year in review

podcast here on the horse racing happy hour.

My name is Luis Roberto. I'm pleased to be joined by one

of the glitterati of horse racing Twitter.

His he is at denominates man on Twitter.

His name is Dan tordjman. He is a br.

Of course America's best racing in one of the cofounders of a

quest for Khan, which my co-host Mega Divine has nothing but

tremendously nice things to say about and frankly about you Dan

as well. And how are you good?

Yeah Megan's on the payroll. Ha ha ha.

I appreciate that from her doing.

Well, how you doing? I'm doing great enjoying my

quiet basement here in Louisville away from my children

who are doing home school right now.

I am deep in Three Sons homeschooling right now, which

is it's it's a thing man. I'll tell you what, it's it's

own deal. So hope things are good.

They're in New York. I wanted to have you on because

you are actually an eclipse folder right?

I am yeah. How long have you been doing

that? Yeah, I want to say this is my

sixth year voting. Well, it started out as a writer

for Mid-Atlantic Thoroughbred magazine.

And and then I continue to obviously writing contribute to

America's best racing cool and we have a long time listener of

our show. His name is Mike Mills in Mike

tweeted me he crawls medium. Let's say and he wanted me to

ask you as a voter. Was it harder this year to nail

down more? categories than usual Yeah, you

know, I think I think it was I think some of the categories,

you know this year with the exception of horse of the year

and three-year-old three-year-old male were a

little less obvious to me this year.

And I think there are probably multiple reasons for that.

I think the racing calendar obviously as we know it was

pretty disjointed. We had some stops and starts in

the spring coming out of Winter the Triple Crown.

L was all messed up, but beyond beyond that, you know, you had a

lot of stakes races that were kind of grouped together on the

calendar more so than they had been in past years and you know,

you had horses who actually did some pretty good stuff earlier

in the year who might have been forgotten about later in the

year that came up. For example for me would like

male Turf horse Zulu Alfa forget that he won the Pegasus World

Cup Turf, right, right, of course palpable to start the

year. Because so much happened, right

2020 felt like 20 years combined into one so, you know think

parsing, you know parsing through kind of what happened

earlier or later and then also factoring in some of the

storylines I think is also similar way as a voter like how

much do you just strictly depend on on data and the numbers and

the results and how much do you weigh in and Factor storylines

kind of overcoming adverse conditions and this year to be

blue? I mean you had you know

questions about you know, racing integrity and you know, a horse

is failing failing tests. And and how did you weigh?

And how did you apply that in your decision for you know

voting for or against some of the horses so I have one comment

and then I have one question so is interesting that you say

looking back at what horses did early in the year and we talked

about this on the show actually in that we hated that it felt

like the eclipse award. We're sort of turning into.

Oh you did well in the Breeders Cup, here's a statue and you

know, it's totally right that you know, the early part of the

year was ooh off especially, you know having that kind of year.

I think Swiss skydiver Looking Back Now over her spring all the

travel winning over different tracks and all those different

things was really a remarkable part of this year's.

I think she raced in seven different states something like

that and you know, and so I think we lose those things as we

look just toward the fall and it part of that of course was that

we launched a bunch of the Two-thirds of the Triple Crown

in the fall as well. You're right.

But okay. So you mention the Integrity

stuff did that play into how you voted for trainer to a certain

extent? You know, I you know, look, I

know that this year, you know, all eyes have been on Bob

baffert and rightfully so in you know, it's not just this year.

I mean there are there has there been past instances where you

know, Kind of scratch your head and say well, you know, that's

not good. Right?

Obviously, he's always been well equipped with with responses and

justifications for for for past drug failures and other issues

that have come up with his horses, you know, but then

again, you know, I don't know that there are many people at

the top of the list and from what the offerings were in terms

of the top performers this year. It haven't had some Of Suspicion

over them at some point if not this past year and I'll tell you

for example the person I voted for with Steve asmussen.

And as Joe Stephen asked me Stephen is it has not lived a

spotless career, right? He asked me to stop in the

training ranks. And so it's difficult.

I mean that was one of the the categories where kind of went

back and forth and I said, you know to the best of my ability

this year. 20 factoring in you know, all transgressions and

potential transgressions that can be logically deduced and

factoring in accomplishment. Who do I rank up top?

So it was kind of one of those it was in an exact science, but

I came up with Steve asmussen and you know, I feel comfortable

with that selection and you know look Bob baffert, I guess in a

normal year you can look at his over. accomplishments and you

look at the fact that he trained, you know the horse

who's going to be the horse of the year and obviously the top

three year old and you know, you could say, you know what, he

should get it based on that alone, you know in addition to

everything else and you know, let alone good mean and you

know, you know, it's whole roster, but I just it just

didn't feel right to me this year in particular and so yeah

certainly factored in but but but I didn't feel like you know

that there There were any necessarily feel good choices

once I took a close look at it, and I just I think I sword sort

of did that this sort of meld of statistics and and and factoring

in other circumstances as best I could to come up with what the

person in that category if someone made a case for a horse

other than authentic to be horse of the year, which horse do you

think it is? You know again, I think I think

it's comes down to whether you're when you're weighing more

heavily statistics or whether you're weighing more heavily

sort of sentiment and favorite story.

You know, I thought is the law which was a pretty complete

package. I mean if you ask me, you know,

sort of mid-july going into August like, you know, who is

going to win or even in August who was going to win of course

of the year and top three year old I would have said Tis the

law. Obviously he didn't Finish it as

strongly as authentic did and you know, I think recency also

plays into it. So, you know that that obviously

gives authentic an edge and then you know, the only other for me

logical I thought I mean you meant us with skydiver.

I think there's certainly like a story line there.

But and look she won the Preakness I mean which is, you

know, not exactly like just a storyline to make she won.

You know, one of the Premier gray one events for for 3 year

old males and the females, you know.

Unbelievable time and frankly heads up against authentic,

right? Yeah.

Exactly. So I think there was a there was

there's potentially a case to be made there.

And then again just in terms of a storyline you love seeing

horses like Monomoy girl, right, you know who can do it says it's

not as if she's like eight years old, right, but like we're so

used to like not seeing horses like that race past their

three-year-old season anymore, especially with you know the up

You know the breeding potential and the upside on our so yeah, I

think monologue girl's story overall was an interesting one

as well. So yeah, I mean I couldn't in

good conscience not vote for authentic, but I think the other

three that I mentioned, you know, if someone voted for the

other three as their Top Choice, I wouldn't necessarily, you

know, have a bad word form - all right.

So I think one of the more interesting categories Ismail

Sprinter and I think Again with you having mentioned this

already. There's the statistical analysis

and then there's Whitmore, right?

You know, I think would be really were you I actually don't

know Dan. Did you get to get to we were

very fortunate we got to do some radio stuff.

And so we were at Breeders Cup this year with the show.

Did you get to make it to keep them this year?

I did not but was so yeah, we did a little Megan no remote,

right. So yeah.

Oh, that's right. I remember I'm sorry.

And so my you know, it was really interesting.

Because where we were was essentially just owners and for

example of Equus owners set with set, you know say with us but

you know several several roads of way or whatever and it was

interesting to watch the spirit because you could tell people

were very happy that Whitmore one, right?

Even if it was, you know, not in their ownership group or you

know something that they had on their ticket or what have you

but just that you know, he bucked the track Trend and you

know came from off the pace and all those things it was so

interesting to watch people be Did for for Rob McClendon, you

know for that group and do you imagine a scenario where he ends

up winning just because people like that horse and they've been

able to watch him in a like you mentioned breeding is so

important you get this gelding he runs if what seems like for

two decades right? And so he runs all over the

place and he runs in the slop and he runs, you know in New

York in Louisiana in this case at Keeneland and could you see

the scenario where he ends up winning?

I can I actually I voted for myself and And you know, look

there's also this debate of you know that you kind of touched on

earlier. Like do you just award a you

know an eclipse to a horse just because they won the Breeders

Cup in that division 41 this friends, but he just wanted you

know, I don't think I necessarily awarded to him just

based on that alone. But you know, he had a great

through win earlier in the year was completely was obviously

more than competitive in the grade 1 against against volatile

who probably was was out was on his way to actually win this

award. Lord, you know before before the

injury and so, you know for me it was like he was second best

to volatile and he won the Breeders Cup Sprint and you

know, he didn't necessarily get get his way and I thought at

least I mean I factored in you know, I mean, I'm not going to

make go back and watch, you know, get make trip excuses for

every horse in every division, but I did enough during the year

and was competitive earlier in the year as well again, we

forget that he started off the year with three really strong.

Races including a grade 3 win and then when you look at the

other competition there just wasn't that much there wasn't a

clear stand. I thought of a coma obviously

that's that you can make an argument for but technically I

mean the Metropolitan when the Met mile was, you know, that's

at a mile. And so, you know, it's a great

one. And then other than that, the

two sprints were both really nice wins including just a

blowout win the Carter. But you know kid I give it to

bakoma just based on that. I didn't think that that was

right either. I thought that that's looking at

the whole body of work with more did more throughout the year.

And certainly when you factor in the storyline, there's no better

storyline than that. What more I thought personally

he should have won the the vox populi award.

I thought that yeah, you know, he was I thought he was the fans

horse this year. I agree.

I was surprised that that didn't come down that way as well.

All right. So what do you do when you look

at jockey and how you vote for table jockey is that more of a

statistical thing? Is it you remember certain rides

and you think you know, wow, I remember you just remember

somehow every time I read touched a horse It sped up twice

as that's just it was going previously or goodness.

Gracious. How does for Al's room fight his

way through I mean like I don't think about those things.

Yeah, like I did. Couple things to consider right?

If you look at the raw numbers for irad, you know, like, you

know having 300 wins on the year.

You're like, oh that's just ridiculous.

Right like he talks when but then again you look at the fact

that he rode over almost almost 1300 races during the year

Johnny V Road less than half the amount of races that I read one

and only 100 races so, you know not Not quite, you know, he

wasn't obviously didn't have a trajectory to win as many races

had he actually had as many Mounds but the race is he won

were obviously extremely important ones.

And so I think he tried it you try to factor it all in I kind

of went into this you're thinking look we all know irad

statistically is, you know, can't be touched this past year,

but I was like thinking you know, what like Johnny's put

together a hell of a year reached a personal Milestone as

well during the year. He's an elite company and you

know, you know She just you know, given his age and given

everything else the fact that he's performing such a high

level should also be credited that being said even though I

went in with the mindset like I think I'm going to give it to

Johnny. I looked at the raw numbers

again, and I just couldn't get past irad.

So I voted for. All right.

No, there you go. I remember this happening when I

actually don't know how old you are damn.

But when Steve Nash won the MVP award and it was really clear

that Shaquille O'Neal was the most valuable player in the NBA

that year right and people were just like we gotta give it to

somebody other than Shaq, right? That's I wonder if some of these

right with some of these you just eventually go.

All right, how many times does I read need to win this award and

we just give it to someone like trying to be who we know is

tremendously talented and you know does his homework and is an

unbelievable shape for his age, especially and all those things.

So yeah how much Steeplechase racing to you watch?

Um, look, I don't I don't want Steeplechase racing.

I don't follow the circuit in the past.

I've Truly, you know, I've sent a note to a couple people.

I know who are pretty close to the circle follow it just to get

some of their perspective. And for those who don't know

what happens is before the eclipse awards.

At least I think a month before the voting deadline all the

voters get a packet with the past performances candidates.

And so it's not like the voters go into this thing, you know

completely cold and just kind of like so Source, you know horses

or whatever and try to figure out okay, you know, let me

figure out who was best like they really do provide you with

a packet that kind of condenses everything and the same goes for

the Steeplechase category. So had they had they not

provided in and if they didn't provide it on a yearly basis and

be very tough for me to like actually look at what's in front

of me and make sense of it. So do every year actually vote

in this category. Well, I know a lot of boaters

abstain from it. I think you know that I look at

it kind of Definitely, I think that it's an honor and privilege

to be voting and to be allowed to vote.

And so I actually put in as much energy and effort as I can to

try to to vote in every category.

And so I do vote in the Steeplechase category.

I appreciate you understanding my humor, but also that I wanted

you to walk us through how you came to a decision on a kind of

no because it's in there in and I know it's you know, there are

Saratoga cards that start with the Steeplechase race, right?

You know that you know the eighth the eighth It jump races

and those sorts of things. And so I mean, I think that's my

only exposure to Steeplechase racing during the year, but the

same thing for Apprentice jockey.

Do you feel like you you actually have a good grasp on

Who The Apprentice jockey is or is it more based on numbers?

Yeah, you know II actually it's my favorite category and like I

think it's like I'm always like quietly and rage when I see

people abstaining from that category.

Yes. I'm like, I'm like, how could

you not I'm like that's such an important because for me like

when I look at the rest of the categories, I think about the

recipients the potential recipients, you know for the

horses. It's the owners right and it's

it's people who in many cases have had like successes in their

careers and they're in there and they're well established people

and yeah, it's great. They get a little plaque they

could put on the mantle and you know for you know, for other

categories like the trainer's like or the jockeys.

It's a lot of the same people year after year.

And so okay. It's another Accolade for The

Apprentice jockeys. I mean, this is really not only

the first opportunity. They have to to grab some

hardware and to be acknowledged but it's also something that

could be a stepping stone for their career.

And so I feel like this is such an important Category 3 like I

love this category and I love again factoring in weighing, you

know wins earnings what circuit they were on, you know, how you

know how aggressive were they and their approach to you know

to you know to compete on a you know on a bigger on a bigger

stage as an apprentice. Um, you know, did they play it

safe? Were they you know, where they

one of these jockeys who you know and who goes from riding

one track at night a day to another track at night how much

effort and how much you know Blood Sweat and Tears that they

put in and I think that you know, I think could Factor all

those things in addition to the statistics and and come up with

with you know with with somebody who's deserving and I'm also I

should say those who know me like I'm a guy I'm from New York

I live in New York now, but I lived in Maryland for a while.

I've got strong Maryland Roots my wife's from Maryland.

I started racing at Laurel and so, you know many people.

I mean a lot of people probably know that like Maryland has been

a breeding ground for like, you know, great jockeys and the lips

award The Apprentice one in particular has like, you know,

so many years gone to to a rider who came up to the Mid-Atlantic

circuit and specifically in Maryland and so like we really

take pride in Apprentice jockeys trunk, you know, so for me, I

love the category. I actually did not go with the

local jockey. I went with a jockey who I

thought was a really cool story and international story The

Armory Correia. I thought I thought her

statistics were absolutely spectacular for the year.

And you know, I think you know in body of work over 700 starts,

you know in your in your Apprentice here and-- she was

just all over it. I mean she got hit.

The board I think in in about half of our races to which is

also incredible and no knock on people like Alexander Crispin

who may eventually who may ultimately wanted.

He's actually tearing things up right now at Laurel Road in

Delaware for I believe a good part of last year.

And then the Louis Cardenas has been spectacular to another, you

know, and Charlie Marquez, you know, both of them have you know

have been riding on in the New York circuit, right?

So, you know, they deserve credit for that as well.

Yeah, I think those are the top three and I do I actually think

I think your armor is going to win.

I think she's actually going to get it.

So be interesting to see did you you said you had a vote for I

did end up loading area cool. All right.

So let's let's rapid-fire through these and then I'm going

to ask you some off the off the board questions.

So you have authentic as your horse of the year.

And then as your three-year-old male a su and then as it was

skydiver, your three-year-old Philly she is.

Yeah. Okay.

All right. Was it close?

Not really. I think that was one where again

statistically combining in some of the other sort of extenuating

circumstances, you know, specifically I'm assuming, you

know, a lot of people may have weighed could mean as a

potential. Yes, you know Challenger there

for me was it was suicide ever? Yeah, I agree with you.

I think winning The Preakness is more impressive than winning.

The Breeders Cup race that give me one.

All right. So older dirt male this is

actually one that we haven't talked about.

Did you go improbable? I did go and probable and you

should know like like it's so hard to like separate out like

my personal but you got to do this right because you're doing

this just you know, as best as you can with as much Integrity

as you can like you should know that the Breeders Cup, I played

the Pick Five ending the classic obviously and I put together a

ticket that had you know, the 75 to One winner order of

Australia. I had Whitmore.

I was only three deep in that in that race.

I singled The Filly in the turf turn Allah and I was alive to

half the field in the classic to payouts ranging from 40,000 to

half a million dollars and and I had improbable who of course

finished second to authentic. I left authentic off my ticket.

So and that was not the first time that improbable has has let

me down and nearly been my ticket to a massive school.

And so that was that was a tough loss but nonetheless.

Looking at his whole body of work.

I thought it was much much improved this year.

Definitely matured a little bit. He always kind of hung a little

bit last year and I just felt was like not never quite reached

his potential. I thought he had an incredible

year and I thought for me was you was pretty clear cut that

was that was one that that I felt pretty confident.

There's no chance she listens but Megan's Kryptonite in horse

racing is improbable because apparently she was with a group

and and his Derby here at said bed improbable.

It's going to happen. He's the guy and then she wrote

at him for a year and nothing happened and that of course is a

four-year-old. He starts hitting and then she

goes with him again in the classic and then nothing and so,

you know, it's all right. Yeah.

There you go. That is just absolutely her

total Kryptonite horse, I think and so older female did you end

up going with Mom or girl? I think there was a case for

Serengeti Empress this year. Yeah.

I went with modern web girl. I love I love everything that

Tom and that teams have done with Serengeti Empress.

She just really easy easy horse. Root for and showing some range

this year, right? Obviously last year with the

Oaks win ran some really nice race is going longer when she

could settle things down the front end this year.

She just showed another gear. I mean she does run faster than

we've ever seen her go before and she maintained that she held

she fought she fought a lot of tough battles and even when she

didn't win she was right there. So what I would not be

disappointed to see Serengeti get some first-place votes, but

I think Mama girl probably win this one I agree with you.

So, alright, let's let's get away from you.

Let's talk. Did you have a favorite race

this year? That's a good question.

Yeah, I think I think would have had to been the Preakness just

based on like the excitement of the race and the finish.

It was just a lot of fun to you know to watch that battle.

You kind of any any sort of sustained stretch tool is one

that is a lot of fun. I'm trying to think like if

there's like a race like, you know, I didn't have a great year

betting usually my mind goes to like the races.

I made the most money on of course.

But this was not my best your wedding.

I did have a good Pegasus world's couple and all and then

to Zulu Alfa that really stood out to me in particular that I

scored quite nicely on that race.

And so I thought that was a fun race and you know, I think for

me when I think of the story lines in this year, I mean, I'd

also think about you know, some of the people who we talked

about top jockey and all that Tyler Gaffney own.

I think he took his game to the next level this year and I'm

thinking about him in particular, you know as a

release the Zulu Alfa But you know just really throughout the

year. Like I think in my mind I was

like, you know, he's really a great care provider, you know,

and this is again coming off a year.

He won the Preakness last year to write but he really I think

he's just rounded into a really really great Rider and he takes

a lot of crap some parts on social media from people but you

know all the jocks to overbill. Yeah, right.

I think he's got the potential to be to be in that really, you

know top top three to five right or conversation for the next 10

or 15 years. I think I'm about to say two

things that you're going to totally agree with.

I am a massive Preakness and Pimlico guy.

I love I adore both of them and I think it's because my family

so I was born in Detroit. I was raised in a different part

of Michigan, but my family is historically from the trade.

I want to say my dad's family has been there six Generations.

My mom like five and Baltimore just reminds me of Detroit.

It just feels very comfortable when I'm there.

I always say it's Detroit with a harbor.

And Pimlico reminds me of every Big Ten football stadium that I

grew up with and you know, uncomfortable seats and nothing

works and they may as well just put troughs in the bathroom, you

know, that kind of thing and I think that's why I love Pimlico

and but the previous covering it, you know, this is just so

much easier to cover the other races, right and it's you know,

and the people in that office are just so so it's so homey and

like they hand out the scratches.

They're handwritten right? I mean that kind of stuff right?

It's just so It's so it's so delightful and but I wanted to

say I think Dave Rodman's call of the Preakness is just about a

perfect race call and you know, the Philly shows the way they

settle for a bet you're settled out for Battle of Baltimore and

all that stuff and just how he builds a race and does those

things one of the the random things.

We had Matt determine on last week.

I said one of the cool things I think format is that as part of

the Stronach 5 now, it's like They go from Dave to him, right?

And so there's this like this weird Continuum between Laurel

and Golden Gate right that that Matt like is the is the bookend

with Dave Rodman and I think that's really cool because they

do have very different styles. But I think Dave is I love that

Pastrana Clive is kind of I think exposed him to more people

than was previously there because I think he's an

unbelievably underrated race caller.

Yeah you predicted correctly. I everything you just said and I

will say day. If you know is a guy, you know,

so I didn't grow up in horse racing.

I literally I am a Jewish kid from Brooklyn and my parents are

both from Morocco. And you know, I'm first

generation here no link to the sport.

I basically just just became a fan watching some races with my

dad when I was younger. I followed the sport and I

literally I have no family in the game or anything like that.

I it's all just through passion and love for it that I got into

it. And then I continue like just

living my dream with it and I could say that like what has

been really cool. And what is really sustain me

because like with anything else when you start doing what your

hobby is when we start doing your passion is it can always

just sort ultimately start start to feel like work and so there

are a lot of times and I'm like, you know, man like, you know,

this is this is turning to work or you know may not feel like

like I have as much pleasure on a day-to-day basis sometimes

because I am working so much but I will say the one thing that

that sort of persistent that last and that always gets you

through are the relationships that you build in the friends

that you make in this game and I I can't say enough about not

just a of but really all the folks in Maryland just that's

just like an incredible racing community that you know, when I

was getting into I was breaking in professionally, which is so

supportive. And one of the people that I

think of, you know first, what would be Dave who is always just

been you know, so approachable so friendly and again for a guy

who's so talented has been doing it for so long.

It doesn't have to be that nice right?

It doesn't have to be perfect imitating.

It's just so people should know like I mean, they always know

that you know, he's a great guy like Dave is truly like truly

truly truly like just a wonderful person and it's just

so nice to see him get his do especially after that call.

I was happy to see you actually won the ABR Fan Choice Award so

that for the best call the years the fans, you know voted for

them and overwhelmingly voted for them given opportunity.

Like, you know have a little bit of, you know, a little bit of

Spotlight. He definitely deserved it this

year that call was just I mean just definitely I mean It's

overused but gives you Goosebumps.

I mean every time you listen to it, it's just such a good call.

Yeah, it's also I someone who loves Pimlico I appreciate how

excited he gets every time the race is shipped to Baltimore to

right and so, you know, it's also identifiable.

I'm like you did I actually didn't get into horse racing.

So I'm 39. I'll be 40 in March I got into

horse race. We moved here 11 12 years ago to

Louisville, and I moved here and everyone said, so are you read

or are you blue and I said, I already went to college.

I don't need another. Each team and and I said, what's

the pro sports around here? And they said we don't do that

and I said, oh well, what's that big building over there?

And they said oh that's where the horses go in a circle and

it's all right. I'm going to figure that out.

And and so literally I got it a horse racing because there was

nothing else professional to figure out and it took me about

five years to really get into it.

And so I've really only been a fan fan for five or six years

and so so it's been that's been really great and I love meeting

other people that didn't Don't say things like oh, yeah.

My dad's a trainer, of course, come on, you know like everybody

everybody's dad is trainer, right?

Yeah, everybody's buying the bar at 4:15 when they were six years

old, right? And so, you know, of course we

had a goat growing up, you know, yeah, right and so, let's see

what no, that's no that's not how this works.

And so that's really cool. And I didn't I didn't know about

about you and I think that that's awesome.

Yeah. No, it's and look and I've got

nothing but love to from them shortly you as well many people

who Especially younger, you know, like younger trainers and

younger people who were like, you know who work in this game

if they had, you know, they had a link to the game.

They're born into a great. I mean that you know, it makes

sense. But I think I think people like

us who are sort of Outsiders. I think I think we kind of tell

unique story and we have a different sort of appreciation

for it because we didn't, you know, we didn't grow up around

it. And so that's really cool that

you that that you've got that you know that you kind of made

your way into this and I you know, obviously your passion is

super obvious from Sure thing to you and yeah for being on the

show total is no it's really fun.

All right, so best best Moroccan food.

What is it? Well, I gotta say it's my

grandmother's spicy spicy fish dish with with couscous on the

side. My grandmother is God bless her.

She said she still Kickin and well, she's cooking a little

less these days, but definitely work up a nice spicy salmon with

that with couscous. Saint olives and and and you

know, she could put together a nice tagine to with you know

with all together all the other fix in so yeah, it's look

Moroccan Foods great. I got you know, God bless my

wife Marty. She she's really embraced like

the culture as well and awesome. She's done her best to compete

with Grandma, you know, whatever she gets in the kitchen to sell.

I got God bless her for for trying and you know those tough

Moroccan women's hard to turn. Ha ha ha.

Oh man, that's awesome. So alright.

So again, he is dead tour German Anonymous man on Twitter part of

the glitterati. All right.

He's with a VR and of course co-founder of a cluster called

do you object to the term glitterati horse racing

glitterati? It hasn't been used in the same

context of me. And by the way, I gotta say I

didn't I didn't realize you were as old as you are you old man.

I'm actually I'm actually 38 myself.

It sounds like you're not for Kids deep like I am so that's

probably a little bit different in our parts of the country.

So When I think that I would

imagine you probably have a lot of listeners who are still

learning the sport and who are really, you know, trying to get

you know, better foothold in trying to understand

handicapping better and all the rest of it.

I just encourage them to go to America's best racing dotnet.

You've got so much, you know, just just Quality quality stuff

for anybody who's learning the game who want to learn more

about handicapping and wedding or if you're not into that part

of it. If you just kind of your into

the culture you're into the horses you like the whole

Lifestyle the sport. We've got plenty good stuff.

Like I said, You know, we worked with Megan before she's created

some really cool fun educational videos, like really informative

videos. She's got those connections with

all the different trainers and jockeys and all the

personalities. So if you love all that stuff,

you love hearing those stories go to America's best racing and

check it out. I will say two things the first

thing that really caught me off guard doing this show.

It's how many people there are like me right that came to horse

racing later on and especially this year when everyone was

locked up their house and horse racing was the only thing Right.

And so we so Dan a year. So about this time last year we

had about 150 or 200 listeners and we had 40,000 unique visits

for Breeders Cup. Wow, that's just to our shows

just to our recordings. And by the way, a lot of those

were recorded and people listen to them when they do the

results. So people are you can tell

people are you know, they're going to they're going and

watching and they're coming back to see what the analysis was

beforehand and you know, I'm kind.

Of like that too. You know, I'm willing to go back

and listen to those things. So, you know, obviously Megan's

been a big a big boost for us, but you know, I've been really

pleased with how many Twitter DM is a different things, you know,

we get from people like hey, thanks for doing this and one of

the things I should have mentioned on the show and I'll

mention it right now that I use all the time is the BET

calculator on ADR. You guys have a horseback calculator I use it

all the time. So if I'm trying to figure out

how much of that's going to cost and I'm going to give it out on

the show. I go straight to that back

calculator. I use it all the time.

You people want to know literally Google horseback

calculator AVR will come up first because it's that good.

It's the one that people use so as page gets It's gets a lot of

a lot of traffic. I will say it's like it's our

pride and joy, it's a little baby that gambling calculator.

We love it. And thank you sir plug on it and

I will say with those kinds of numbers.

They just dropped. I don't know how many people

listening are potential sponsors.

But if you know anybody who watched the show, they should

get in touch with you. Those are really good numbers as

a lot that that's what that that's that's that's major

audience right there, especially for horse racing and you deserve

it for the work you guys are putting in.

So I just want to you know, I'd love to see the show continue to

grow no. We appreciate it.

We're excited to actually hopefully hopefully well I

should be really careful here to have a derby at adorable time of

year. Where the where the podcast is

kicking along. We just found out that the Jeff

Ruby's takes is a hundred Point Race and I would I would love if

anyone at turquoise listening chip block any of those folks.

I would love to figure out an outdoor space for our fans to

meet up and do a thing in March to celebrate the hundred-point

race on the ooh to P do there, but alright.

I'm going to let Dan tordjman go because he's got a life and

other things probably I'm just avoiding my family so Dan, I

totally appreciate it. Thanks for taking time for being

part of the glitterati. We'll talk to you soon rights

pleasure. Thanks for having me.