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All right, welcome in SEO. Addition horses.

Missing happy hour. We let Mike take this one off.

He's doing Kentucky Derby, Festival stuff because of course

he is wearing a pink jacket somewhere in the world.

To Mike we say bleep off but we do not say bleep off to our

guide. An element is good enough to

join us, whatever we do things in Maryland.

This is the last of our road to the Maryland shows we will be we

will have finished of the road trip to Maryland by the time we

talked to Dan next and it will be in person at Pimlico, it old

Hilltop. Oh, where they will move for

x-ray. Or weekends of race issue.

Dan, how long have they been doing for weekends up there?

It's been the last couple of years, not counting one year

where there was some issues with the Laurel track surface and the

spindle ago took on a heavier load and really surprisingly.

It actually handled it really well, but I'm doing it the last

few years, kind of a mini Boutique meet.

Let's give Laurel a break because that surface really

takes a lot of wear and tear over the winter.

Yeah. So of course, this is a his

Laurels version of an early Derby Day.

If you will coming up on Saturday with the Federico

tessio, I say Den prep races are also predictor races.

For example, if you win the Florida Derby you have a good

chance to win the Kentucky Derby.

If you in the sand, Anita Derby. You have a good chance to win

the Kentucky Derby. And if you win the tessio you

have a very bad chance to win the Preakness.

You have a very slim chance to win the Preakness and there are

often times where you're not going to the Preakness at all.

That's that's it. That wouldn't have enough points

for the Kentucky Derby. That being said, there are some

promising. Three-year-olds in the testimony

is kind of an interesting handicapping puzzle.

Going a mile and an eighth. Yeah I agree with you.

I think actually the Maryland card is is interesting, the late

card and by the way and I have to do this because the folks in

Maryland are obviously watching closing with the maiden special

weight. I appreciate these people.

You are doing the right thing for steaks in a maiden special.

We will take it and horse racing happy hour.

If you weren't going to bring it up, I was because that's the way

to close the card with a picture.

But I'm trying to find a single. That's right.

A couple of grand motion first timers on.

That's what I'll do. It's go barely Jockey Club.

That's what I'm talking about. I love it.

All right so Dan's on Dan we always start the show with a

couple of Derby results and exactly go ahead and jump on

screen. Did you actually get these

together that I call you to the screen too early?

Oh no, we lost a call, right? So the obviously the main last

just looking at the show, she, okay.

Did you send me a? I just put Derby prep results in

the first segment. I could talk about those but

Dad, we all watch the races. It's all right.

You're gonna go. All right.

So who's most impressive of the three winners last weekend did?

Oh, that's a good question. I would have to say tappet rice.

I thought was very, very impressive.

This is a horse, I think that still learning heat.

I love the writing God, he broke better, which I think is, T, he

didn't break great. But the fear going in Breaking

from the one hole was that he was going to break.

Slowly, everybody was going to crush in front of him, and he

would be in trouble, he broke. Okay, they rode him to get

position. The key to him is get him on the

outside. I think, post position, rarely

is important to the Kentucky Derby.

Except for the one, all, it's important for tappet Trice.

I think it's important for the source to get outside and in the

clear, you still got to ride him very hard.

He ran. Well, I thought the runner-up

verifying ran well, in is a sleeper in the derby, practical

move. I mean, what do you want?

The older horse doesn't go up. Other words does is run, fast

races. All the I was just get perfect

trips. So if you're a trip handicap,

you're saying, when is his luck finally, going to run out and it

could be with 19 other horses in the derby.

Yeah, it's interesting. He almost had the same trip as

kings Barn had in the Louisiana Derby, a couple of weeks ago,

where you think? Okay, so flopping did exactly

what he should do, but that's not going to happen at the

Derby's, not going to have those splits and that kind of thing

and, you know, II with you, I think practical move do.

I think once in a while we get a little, we get a little trip

trip - and sometimes we need to give horses credit for making

their trip and actually follow through on it.

That's an excellent point horses.

Like cigar back in the day horses have wonderful, practical

speed, they make their trip If they always seem to put

themselves in good position, which is why, most of the time

we hate playing 11 closures, know, we were seeds that are at

the absolute mercy of trip horses that are absolutely at

the mercy of paste. This source is not at the mercy

of anything. He puts himself in good position

to win races. There you go.

So we do have the Bluegrass. This is from NBC Sports and

their YouTube page. Stretch cap and rice is coming

onto the outside. Clear the air trucks.

Back blazing 7 says foreign mendelssohn's marches Femme.

Verifying tappet rice going out at for the lead eighth of a mile

to go Toyota Bluegrass verifying.

It's right there to the inside temperature Price is Right

alongside past the 16th called, Tippett Trice puts an affront

tap, it twice to Trice wins the toilet.

And Louis, what I think we saw there was Superior stamina in

the last hundred yards or tap it tries to of course, has that big

pedigree just wearing down a very game horse.

Now, I won't argue with anyone that says, tap it twice just be

verifying by what a long neck. Papert rice is going to be the

second or third choice in the derby.

Verifying might be twenty five to one.

I know where the value is. I'd go with verifying.

I wouldn't argue that point because I think verifying is a

beautifully bred horse with great connections.

A lot of upside I'd I just think tap it tries to the mile and a

quarter might have a bit of an edge.

I agree with that and I think that's where he and Forte really

separate themselves. I remember some of the

criticisms in the Florida Derby now I thought man they run that

race for another eighth of a mile.

He wins by open links in the Florida Derby and I think we I

don't know that that would have happened.

I think verifying keeps Pace with them.

If they run another for a long in that race and that scenario

and I'm with you, you know, it was interesting.

You don't usually see this and I thought they did a good job with

the coverage. Dan When there was an inquiry

afterward and frankly an objection afterward, Luis saez

was not happy and he was he was he was audibly.

Not pleased with with the internet with the with the

objection and all that. So I did that catch.

You off guard a little bit or have you heard of jock talk like

that before I want a job? Talk like that before.

Usually you know not on camera but certainly I forgot look like

that before and again I can understand the situation.

I thought it was kind of a silly inquiry.

There you go. Alright and so Zach.

It's the next one that we have here.

Alright, great will go out to New York for what should just be

called the upset steaks. Now in the wood Memorial Arctic

arrogance when woman at 12 and 4/4 3/4 of a mile, there's a

group of four upfront and dreamlike is about to take

command. Its dreamlike who's ready to

challenge a very game Arctic arrogance who's gutting it out

towards the inside. Arctic arrogance is their dream,

like hit show is up on the outside and Lord miles.

A huge number is trying to pull up a shocker for across the

racetrack. The one hit show is now putting

those in front dreamlike is still there.

More miles up on the outside, they're coming down to the

Finish, hit show, Lord miles hit shall Lord, miles, Lord miles.

Chris Griffin. I still think that's a horse

that, that down the road at least can win some races.

I think in the Derby with 60 points.

Obviously if they send him he's going to be in the Starting

Gate. He's a real real Contender to be

a an Exacta Trifecta kind of horse.

You do read it really has a lot of ability.

I think we've seen that in other races and maybe the post

position did hurt him here, but I don't know.

I think if he's a true Kentucky, Derby Contender, he supposed to

dig in and beat Lord miles. I hate playing work this coming

out of blanket. Finishes was a really three

Superior efforts under the wire there.

They were, you know, you know, it was a half a length,

surrounding the three and the fourth place.

Finisher Arctic arrogance is just probably a mile.

I won't take anything away from the winner.

He's actually a pretty well, bred horse and against his

Emma's a half-sister to Caledonia Road.

Won the Breeders Cup, juvenile fillies and was a champion two

year old and he's by curling. So maybe he has some upside

potential but right now the New York path, it just seems like

every prep race. There's some sort of question

mark. John did we have already had the

discussion? Did anyone stand out to you in

the three major, preps last weekend, as the as the best

runner from last weekend? Well, last week going into last

week, I thought Forte and a little vampire, who am I talk to

Derby horses? And really nothing that happened

has really changed my mind about that practical move.

I thought he went well, in the Santa Anita Derby also thought

they were runner-up. Mandarin hero also ran a good

race that being said because he's Japanese.

I think men are in hero. He draws in his is going to be

over back quite a bit. I don't like anyone coming out

of the water, not because it coming out of the water and

people are like old like some magic quality about the wood and

makes the hoses and worse. I don't think that's true, but I

just don't think anyone in that ways.

Is that good as far as Adobe horse?

I'm still so, I am good. So sticking with Forte and Angel

vampire and do we have this in Anita Derby replay?

Exact because we could go wash practical move hold off Manner

and hero after A mile. And an eighth are at Santa

Anita. Mandarin hero, he's moving right

into contention splitting Rivals with an eighth of a mile to go

practical grinding away Skinner on the outside.

Well, that was a fun one. Cool story with the ownership of

course as well. And, and at em, yah teen didn't

have to transfer a horse as well which is kind of a fun story for

Tim. I'm sure and so a great run

there, frankly a fantastic race, three horses really did run

their races. I think that we saw the best of

Skinner in that race. For example reminds me a little

bit of the Nyquist year coming out where we had three really

good, California horses coming in, in the last of those was a

horse named Whitmore. Who finish last to the derby as

well. What other way, of course, 7812

grade 1 And so on Dan that race, you think practical move can

make that move to 10 furlongs and maintain that kind of pace

by the distance is a question for this kind of horse.

He does have great tactical speed as we talked about in the

open. He does seem to make his trips,

but you're going to be betting them.

Now of several good trips. He's one of the fastest horses

going into the race. He's going to take money to me.

It really all depends on value and I'm not sure you're going to

get a ton of value on him, just watching that race.

The first and second-place finishers basically saved ground

most of the way. Yeah, I would give Skinner maybe

a little bit of extra credit for simply being on the outside.

Ours is obviously still learning.

He has a really nice push button acceleration.

It seems like he runs in spots as of right now, he's on the

bubble. I think he's 21st on Derby

points, but it would be interesting if he got in,

especially if there was a pace collapse.

So cool, colleague of ours. Jenny Reese came up with the

final fractions Theory, few, a few years ago, of course, Five

Horses, according to their, preps would qualify for That

practical move is one of those alongside 48, a Trice verifying

and a little horse named to Phil's, man.

Where are we on to Phil's? I know we got the winner out of

that race last year, but of course, last year's race wasn't

like many of the Derby's that we've had dandiya like to do you

like to fills. A lot of people around here

really like him. I like to Phil's I like to fill

because that Turf way we race. Yes was a breakout performance.

And I think a lot of folks are going to say, well, he's an

all-weather horse at the end of the day, but I think if you go

back, Back and look at some of his prior running lines on dirt

there. Okay so who's to say that it's

not just a combination that he liked to be synthetic that day

but also he's just a horse that's coming into his own in

the right time he's going to be one of the fastest horses coming

in on figs and he's going to be a very good price.

I think to John that we've seen a lot of second year in a row

frankly a lot of horses, translate well from Turfway to

Keeneland, for example it so baby we could see that

transition as well for 2 bills from Turfway.

Churchill you want, you know, you watch that came and jump.

I should know 22 fills that he does have good, do it for.

I mean, he's he the two times takes one on dude, including a

runner at Churchill Downs. So it's all.

It's all like he's pure synthetic clothes, trying to the

first time. I mean, he is, I might be pretty

live in the derby and if you get 20 or 25 to 1, how can I talk to

awesome. Yeah, that's about right.

Okay, well cool. I think it's a it's actually

heading up to be more of an interesting top of the field in

the derby that I was worried. It was going to be.

And so I think I do this every year as well, but I worry that

there's only gonna be one or cement.

His name is epicenter in Iran s anyway, so who knows?

All right, so let's get into the the handicapping for today.

What is the Maryland Jockey Club?

Ridiculous name for Saturday, I am know if there is one II

didn't see how it out. Um, think one of them is if it

is this Saturday or Nest is The stakes.

The spring steak, spectacular. That's one of them.

I don't know what if it's this week or next week as if I

suggest week too. So it's one of these to come on.

Maryland. Jockey Club were trying to have

a civilization. I did say jogging for the show,

Maiden special weight to close the card and That's what I'm

talking about. That's what we need.

Well, you know, it's funny and every year, every year I get so

excited for grass to come back and then I see the first few

grass races and and everybody is either a coming off a long

layoff or B has no grass form at all, like not even like last

year. Thought I'm grass for the first

time. So you basically studying tea

leaves. And in fact, the first cracks

race, our view was today, Thursday and Was Won by a horse

who had Recent grad experience, he had raised at Tampa Bay Downs

in December. So I think that's something

we'll keep me in mind over the next few days as the grass

Warriors start to come back. Yeah, it's tough.

Good to see you. Good to see the tarp off if you

will to use a terrible baseball and empty.

So let's head to Laurel, very cool day, it is tessio day.

If you are new to this series, we're doing a series of shows

about the road to the Preakness and snow just like there's a

road to the Kentucky Derby. There's one with in Maryland, to

qualify for the Preakness and there are two.

Winning in stakes races on Saturday.

Race 9 is the Weber City misc. It's 43 year-old Phillies

winning in for the black-eyed, Susan, which is run on Friday,

previous weekend. And then the Federico tessio is

the winning in for the guys into the Preakness.

Get a starting spot in the gate. I joked earlier that the

Federico tessio is one of the great predictors of who is not

going to win the Preakness, all right?

We use. So let's go to the Heavenly

cause those this starts that late, pick five, it's race

seven. It's a mile on the dearth of one

turn mile down there at Laurel Phillies mayor's 3 and up.

Okay, they're pumping the purses this weekend.

There's about 500,000 dollars in the last five races here at

Laurel, very nice card here. A couple of interesting horses

here, Dan, I think that, you know, I think you could probably

go a lot of different ways to me.

This was a little chalky in this one, I like past the champagne

and they're going to give her one more chance.

And I know a lot of folks are going to look at her last race

in the fridge and say it was lousy.

And it wasn't very good. Is the favorite.

I think the key for her, Hurry. She's going to get back on Lasix

and I think if you peruse her form, she's a much better Filly

on Lasix than she is without her race to starts back, Tampa Bay

or first started from a long layoff going to Milan the 16th

was with Lasik. She ran very, very well

considering the layoffs. This is a mere.

We've talked about her before on this show.

She's obviously, as a lot of back class.

She was one second in the Ashland at Keeneland.

The Malla thought she got beat something like a head that day

injuries of derailed her career. She hasn't panned out I like her

too. Turn my Lycra tactical speed.

Do you like anybody here? I think pass a champagne will be

hard to beat, Harvick the throw too high a price for us.

As we think of have to respect every five.

Award wanted made a nice move at a One Tone mile to win the

Geisha. Steaks three starts back and

since then has hit the boy twice.

When well, in in the carnival last hour behind spoiler alert,

Marvel is and headed for the good second.

In a 50 game effort going to turns to starts back.

Now she gets back to the 12-mile, think she's out who

best at this distance and I think she'll get overlooked in

the betting marvelous 12:45 Morning Line.

We really going to get overlooked in the bedding.

She had been a super consistent. Again starter allowance types.

Last you won the Maryland million.

Distaff started handicap, put in a huge rally to win.

But can I have the steaks last out at Big odds?

It was his second start off a layoff, not sure if she can win,

but at it, Cries. I think she's worth using at

least in try factors or things like that.

Interesting. So neither of you mentioned, the

favorites bets dream on the outside.

Coming in from Gulfstream, might be wet weather on Saturday.

Do we look at any of that form as well.

We've got some horses in here and I think have some good wet

weather form. We've seen, at least a win on

the wet. Go for hybrid eclipse.

For example, Dan. Are you looking at all any of

that for Saturday? Not just yet.

I think. I'll wait till it rains on the

Fly. The champagne was coming off.

The layoff past, the champagne was coming off the laugh and

pass the champagne. Absolutely dusted, bet stream.

And I was very, very happy to see Beth stream come out of that

race and just are at Gulfstream. But if you look at her past

performances, where her best races Gulfstream, it seems like

that is her favorite track. I think she's going to be tested

for class here. I know she's very short on the

morning line. She obviously can win if she

repeats her last race, but at a short, Rice.

I'd rather have passed the champagne than her.

All right, so that is of course the Heavenly, cause we'll do the

seven for a long version. For the open company in the

Frank White Lie, this is the late pick for starting the race

eight seven, furlongs on the Dirt 3 and up a hundred thousand

dollars on the line here. Dad, I'll go back to you here

interesting race. We go longer with the ladies

than we do with the guys, very Progressive in Maryland.

What do you have going in this one?

Like two horses in here. First, we'll start with the

horse. I ended up picking second in the

paper and that's the New York great millionaire.

Bank at a horse that goes out for.

Steve, asked me to City, seven years old now, he's won a Stakes

race every year since he was two.

He's been steaks, place twice in 2023.

He's just a horse, you have to respect.

He is turning back to 7 which is a little bit of a question mark,

but it seems like the worst is always seems to show show up and

give a good effort. I landed on Factor it in.

I know he got beaten the steak to starts back but Carlos, man.

See, I just found a great spot for him after that, and a little

allowance race, you just cruised up for From the back and put

that field away. I like his tactical ability and

if you just look at his peepees ever since they gave him that

eight-month rest or so, he's come back a completely different

worse factored in another horse that seems to like to run on

Lasix as well. Gets to keep it here in a

Maryland race. John anybody stand out to you

maybe a little bit of a long shot.

Well I'm very excited to bet olives Josie in the Knoxville of

and then he got scratched which kind of ruin all my plans.

He's had a good workout. Since then woke last Saturday

for furlongs in 48 and now he's Back in here in a tough spot.

Then the not full of was that being said, he's got a huge

races in his last two starts, he has a lot of early speed in it

in English in a race that for a pretty good quality sakes.

Doesn't have a lot of it. So I think he could end up the

very advantageous pace and he could be gone at.

Hopefully a good number. He's 61 on Morning, Light.

And I'd be happy to get around there.

Yeah, we do you 621 on the line here that Great.

You got your nose only rented? I got.

Okay. That's okay.

All right. I missed that one today.

Keeneland on the TV's at the bars, around town here today.

So I must have missed that one. All right, so although we were

sitting, this is race 9 late pick three here, at Laurel Park

mile, and a sixteenth reminder Laurel does the prep races

correctly. We ran a 1 turn my last time

with the Phillies they are now routing going to turns here, one

mile and a 16th on the dirt course.

Therefore three-year-old, Phillies hundred twenty-five.

And as I mentioned at the open of this segment, when you're in,

for the black-eyed, Susan, is this a good predictor for the

black-eyed? Susan.

Damn, I'm not sure this is a great predictor this year for

the black-eyed. Susie, I think we'll get some

whores. Like last year, Luna Bell will

be named Champion tomorrow, I believe American brand.

Ya tomorrow, she went in the black-eyed.

Susan after dominating the crop in Maryland, she didn't run very

well but it's a different class of horse that shows up for the

grated black-eyed. Susan, I don't think it's a

great predictor. I think this race is intriguing.

Because distance is a huge question for a lot of these

sources. There you go and we do get a

nice field of seven. Here is Sheldon.

Russell back to ride. The whole, is he gonna stay in

Maryland for a while? I would hope so.

I hope we would want them around for a while.

Yeah, that's a plan. He had a widow today, he who

wrote up wonder where Craig is directly over waiting.

Boo him, terrible. All right, so We were sitting

here, like I said, when you're in for the black-eyed, Susan,

one of my favorite days in racing.

It's like for really great races, you get the Pym special,

everything else, and there's and there's like 40,000 people

hanging out. It's a real easy way to get

around to Moco. It's actually really nice day.

If you can get out there on the East Coast, a couple of really

short prices here, between girl trouble, the three, who's less

than two to one and then pharaohs baby gal.

Who is the six horse here as well?

For the aforementioned, pretty Russell, and Sheldon and hubby.

If you We'll leave his name, our out of it.

Do we like the two shorter prices here?

Danner is there. Someone else to play?

I guess of the two shorter prices.

I do like girl trouble. Although I do have a lot of

concerns about this one's ability to get the distance.

And this is a race where I'd love to sit with three or four

other handicappers and analyze the trip because it's easy to

watch your last race. And say, well, Paco Lopez didn't

do very well. She was alone speed at odds on.

She ended up breaking being rated back into the pocket.

The next thing, you know, instead of going to the outside,

Side where your 125 and supposed to run down the closures, he

ends up in between horses and maybe gets checked and there's

another way to look at it and say, she probably should have

won that race anyway. I talked to Butch Reed.

He's a little concerned about the distance as well, but I do

think real trouble from a speed figure and consistency

standpoint. I should be right there.

She draws a really advantageous inside post position for the

short, run to the first turn if you're looking for a long time

and crypto, mama is a little bit interesting because her last

race was a nice step forward. And I think she's just rounding

into form, she's not too far behind the two favorites.

And frankly, the race before that, she lost to shoot a booty

who ended up has to be in the Starting Gate for the Kentucky

Oaks. Oh, she's been running a good

company as well. So one to look at.

Do you think doesn't matter much to you Dan?

The girl trouble is carrying seven less pounds in this race

than she did. Last time, I think it does, I'm

usually not awake guy, but I think in situations like this,

especially with horses that are somewhat questionable at the

distance, I think weight loss is going to be kind of a big deal

here on the key of the race. Is, how is the pace going to

shake out? Because Brittany Russell's been

on record saying, pharaohs baby gallons of Catch Me.

If You Can sort of Mayor, it'll be interesting to see after

sending glacial fractions her. Most recent race, if she's fast

enough to make the lead against some other Fleet Phillies.

If this paste is hot, it could be a little bit of a meltdown,

but I do. I like go troubles, versatility.

I think she learned some things last time out, despite losing,

how to race in and among horses, had a race in traffic, if need

be All right, John cats of the Timber.

Not a great beyond the wire last time.

Out is the other other Russell in this race?

Do you think she could rebound around a good racer?

It's definitely possible. That being said, at least on the

prison at scale, she didn't regress that much in the beyond

the why shouldn't we t22 starts back when just an 81 last

timeout? Granted, it's it's not a strong

field but I still think you've got him up against it.

What long shot I kind of like and this is a real long shot.

Here is number five. Six, the hard way 15 to One for

Rudy, Sanchez Solomon. And Jaime Rodriguez who won at

about a forty percent clip in the month of March.

She came from, well off the pace to be a pretty solid first level

allowance field last time out over a wet track.

So, if it does thunderstorm that could play to her hand, we and

phone away. A career-best video has one tuna

rolls. Think she's getting good at the

right time, and if things really go Haywire on the front end and

they could There is a decent amount of speed in here, you

know, crazy thing that happened and I don't think you could tone

down Jamie at Big Ox, I like that.

Alright, so yeah, lots of different ways to go there.

Hopefully, we catch a price in the Weaver City, misc, erase

that. I think we might really catch a

price is the Federico tessio 125,000 dollars here within your

informal practice under 25 Grand, on the line Mile and an

eighth over that dirt course at at Laurel, remind me of this, a

mile and an eighth course. So, we're starting at the finish

and finish it. Finish, Yes, one full lap,

sorry. I talked about a lot of places

on this show, so let's picture a good.

Yeah, yeah. It's so names that, if you have

listened to this series, you will know coffee with Chris

circling. The drain you're going to know

the name. Oh, cripes, who else is in here?

It's a joke. Uh, eldest son.

Yes, Prince of Jericho, for sure.

If you've been following those have been the guys that we've

been following. The most Dan.

Do we go to form here or do we think that we're going to?

We could bring it up. I think it'll probably go to for

my, but the question is, there's form everywhere.

I like the fact that kalimantan McGehee, or sending distance

oriented horses into this race or dipping their toe into the

water. When I spoke to both of them,

you kind of got the feeling that if these horses ran, well today,

maybe just maybe they would be tempted to enter the Preakness

if so inclined. I don't know if I had a really

tough time with the with this year's edition of the test, you

I kind of like both of Britney's were horses, Prince of Jericho.

I don't like this post position for him, but I didn't think he

got a very good trip last time out when he was the beaten

favored by coffee with Chris. And I like that, they gave him

time in between that race and this one, his last race.

He was sort of in and among horses on the backstretch.

She's must have swung 6 wide turning into that long stretch

of the one-mile run and he was chugging to finish.

Second, he's a course, it's going to have to work out a trip

but I know Brittany's little worried about a mile and an

eighth but he just seems like a consistent faster.

And I think circling the drain is a horse.

That is still unexposed you man. Okay, last time out.

It was his first time stepping up in class.

I feel this source is going to be making a late run, and I

think he might be a better price than Prince of Jericho.

Okay. Another for you drunk.

Well, one thing I think that that's interesting is after

coffee with Chris finished. Second in the fiber terms, John

Salzman jr. And his ownership team, some of

them. I don't him to the triple crown

and John Salzman like is data for.

Him is a very pragmatic guy. Like he's not going to take

crazy shots like he wasn't gonna put coffee with Chris, in the

wood. Stick you go finish the food and

then go finish an 18 in the do be like, he's not going to run

it in this spot unless he thinks he can win and all winter long.

He had doubts about how far coffee with, Chris could go and

so far, he's answered every distance question.

He won going a 12-mile, then last time out, he was why it's

in which every step of the way in the private rooms still ran,

well got of a second behind. Hey strike, granted do not run

away. Well, in the Bluegrass but still

caught it with Chris who and pretty well.

And now he's drawn post one. So it's going to get a much

better trip. Say it in ground off the pace on

the inside. And here's another big.

Tell to me, Salinas and Jaime Rodriguez.

Team up a lot Jamie nests and nude to voices and Jamie

quadriga is the sticking with coffee with Chris.

So that's I think a big tell the coffee, okay.

The Chris couldn't be the goods here and if solvent, by the way,

if Salzman does press on the thickness with coffee with

Chris, he'd be just the second Maryland, verb in the past

decade to earn the fragrance over.

Nice. I like that.

But always mind being the other connecting a little really good.

I like that on top here for me to let go in the two turns.

Tried it in the withers didn't work.

I never hold it against horses when they don't run well on Long

Island. Dan you think that horse has a

chance here? I think, as a chance based on

his last speech figure certainly ran a very fast race of parks.

You also had just a candy trip, he went right to the lead, the

pace was not fast at all. He didn't change leads in the

stretch and while he did beat to next out winners, they're not

exactly secretary and Man O'War who he beat, he has good speed.

It'll be interesting to see where they Place him in the

early part of this rate personally.

And and I talked to John about About coffee with Christmas

morning. He's not going to take this hand

about strategy. I personally think they're going

from the inside posting or try to make the league with him on

90%. Now he's going to be sitting a

good trip up there and second distance won't be a problem but

make sure you get your price. I think 90% of married through

the second time. Lasix, for me as a nice angle

here, I think he responded. Well next time might like it

again here as well. And once again, folks, we have

to just a little Ending the card with a terrific race here at

Laurel made special a 52 Grand on the line here.

Highest level of Maiden special weight for three, four, and five

year olds going on mile on the turf.

We will see if we are still on the turf by the end of the day,

so something to watch their. I'm with you, man.

I hope they say unto for sure, but nice field of 700 horses.

He right. Well, sorry, they will run 11.

Depending on scratches and those things Dan, who do we land on

here, man? This is a nice field.

It is a nice field. I landed.

I'm a nine blamed rule maker who does at least have some Turf

form and some decent or form at Gulfstream Park, as taking a

step forward and his tutor phrases, the worsted beat him.

Last time I was a 125 shot trained by Chad Brown.

Who would have been the favorite in the Transylvania at

Keeneland? He was the morning line.

Favorite, he ended up being scratched.

I think that was a much better feel than the one he's facing

here. I think he'll run late coast

along for shooting McGehee and far as voice.

They've just been a superb combination down here in

Maryland, especially interfaces. Has look very logical as well.

Before you jump I like both of the to Dan mentioned along with

number, eight Hughes Leah, making his three-year-old debut

and as such getting first time like six grand.

Well and his first started around two turns on grass last

October showed speed held on finish.

Fourth, he's had a good steady work tab since mid mode and he's

definitely finale play. You think the other two are

vulnerable Is um here's me is, you know, it is Grand motion

kind of tipping. His hand here with a

first-timer, but he's booked a ventilator to ride him or job.

That's why I think it actually might be a little bit of a tip

that Toledo is right and I think it's a good sign.

Again, this is sort of a situation where in the pick

five, you're betting blind and the first time starters, unless

I just have to go with motions overall record with first time

Stars which is not very good, usually likes to give them a

racer to. So in that situation, I Probably

going to play against and he's probably going to blow me up.

But makes sense that sounds like everybody I've ever made in

horse racing quite well. A good day out at Maryland.

I don't know what the nickname is, so I'm not going to, I don't

know, maybe I should come up with one.

Put me on the marketing team. First racing, what are you

doing? Figure it out.

We're good enough. John tell everybody where they

could find your stuff. And what, what they look for

world. If we can find me at Maryland, T

be professional and find me at the off postally, if you're in

the area stopped by the moon, of course, Piper and end at

Education Center in Reisterstown and if you're a Steeplechase

raising and I hope arrows are not.

Watching the said, if you are using your computer, we're

having a panel on April 24th, celebrating the 100th

anniversary of the hell are the Elkwood Whole Food of

point-to-point, Chuck versus be. A great talk about

steeplechasing in mon, be sure to join us Monday.

April 24th, awesome. And John remember you have a

standing date with us the last of these Shows is actually at

Pimlico. I am very excited for the baby,

we're Beyond Live, on ESPN Louisville from 10 to noon and

I'm being told that other Affiliates around the country

are interested in that show because they're picking up our

derby show. And so Banks had it tuned in and

they'll be like, you know, I don't know what's going on, but

at least Sean's on the shelves. That's something boy.

It sounds great. All right.

All right, it will keep add an element here.

Not because I want to, but because the people like them,

and we'll talk about keenly, blame him.

I don't blame you. Well, yeah, I do.

Anyways. So we'll go to Keeneland as they

always do. Dan?

They have a grade one on the grass, if that's what they do

there. And so really cool, late part of

the card here, I love something that started to happen here in

Kentucky because of the historical racing machines.

We can have these listed steaks at a quarter million dollars and

above. I mean, Kentucky Downs, ran a

race last year. 7.2 million Dollars.

I think it was a listed Stakes is that it's in the universe,

you qualified for that one and and so yeah it's it's fun but I

love that they could do these things.

We didn't see that in this is a little off topic to I'm not

something that I planned a Scourge on the board and that I

plan to ask you about. But you know, the apple blossom

only draws four horses. What do you think happened

there? You know something, I don't

know. It's a million dollar race, and

I think they squeaking three. And they hustled one, Because

there's a no-hoper. It's not like there's this is a

year where there's a Zenyatta waiting for you to scare

everybody away. Secret oath is a very good

Philly. She can be had Clary, are is a

very good mayor. She could be had, where are the

horses, and what are they waiting for?

I can understand Nest, got a little bit of a late start back.

She's pointing for a race, like the Ogden Phipps at Belmont, but

for a million dollars with horses that can be beat, it's

not a good look. If you can't draw the, if you

can't draw at least Seth we watch gufo run a Bellman run.

A Kentucky announced two weeks later because there was a

million bucks on the line. I mean, so the candy do it,

right? And I think that's exactly

right, I guess. Up, short, these are Phillies

and mares. If you get third in this race,

the value of a broodmare potential just goes through the

roof. You're exactly.

Right? Yeah.

So dead disappointing, frankly and I ended up leaving Oaklawn

out of the show for that reason. Let's go ahead.

We'll go to, we'll go to, we'll go to.

Okay, we'll go to cumin, excuse me, do you mind talking about

the Giant's Causeway? I know it's not one of the

listed Stakes but it is race. Eight late in the card here.

I think. Okay, we had John Linda one last

week because we're talking Santa Anita Derby and all that he

does. The of course Thoroughbred LA

radio on the weekends. And he thought, Amy C was primed

to run a massive race before they washed out.

The end of that card on the grass.

You think there's any chance she transfers that form from

California to Keeneland? Or are you looking at someone

else here? I like her a lot.

I wish I could pinpoint somebody else, but I really think that

she has shown that sort of ability to be versatile with her

running style, but I love the way she kicks home.

I think that she's going to run a very, very good race and the

Giants cause I think this way. This is really tailor made for,

I think she. I think they're like, we talked

about tipping the hand, with some of the jockeys shipping,

who bear do in for this race is kind of tipping the hand.

Is it not? I think it's tipping the hand.

I think it's always nice to have, you know, obviously, you

know, the familiarity situation a lot going on, maybe at Santa

Anita this weekend. So it's easy to come to

Keeneland to ride for some big money.

But this is this race though, you know?

It contention one's fairly deep. I would bet her though.

I think I think she's the right one.

Do you think over, which is a fancy French word for book is in

this race for Chris block? Just wins?

Does that matter and an element's handicapping or just

Class Matter more than that? I think it depends on how you

win. Do you win fast to do?

You win with a good trip? Or do you win by overcoming how

visually impressive are you? I like the fact obviously with

that. You win much better than a 1430

shot. I'm a big fan of Chris block.

I've never been a big fan of Hoover God, okay, fair enough.

All right, so let's move on to a different race than race line is

the great three Lexington. This is the derby preps race.

That's not really Derby prep race but it's Churchill like

extending here, you could have some points, the second weekend

of your meet, my oldest take seats on the dirt for

three-year-olds, obviously. And then a 400k on the line

here. I think a cool field actually

considering what this race is Dan.

I landed on, I landed on demolition Duke here on top

actually routing for the second time, broke his Maiden going six

furlongs. The first time gets Pratt here,

Brad Cox brings them up. Improved on the speed.

Figure going the two turns, I think there's a chance that he

actually improves again and wins.

Where would you land in this race?

This is a race where I think I got a spread.

I mean you look at it, you're nothing but potential potential

potential potential and then you have the one horse that might

get enough points to get into the Derby.

I guess of disarm wins this race.

You might sneak into the Derby, I liked his race in the

Louisiana Derby. If you go back there, Kings

Barnes, just walks on the lead, disarm.

Sort of held up in behind horses there.

No paste for him to run at and he comes with a run at the end

at least to finish second. He can step.

I think that he's the class of the field and at the price, he

is on the morning line. He's interesting Arabian lion.

What is he doing in this race that that to me makes him

interesting? He has been awful in his last

two for backward. Part of me, is saying he's just

a sprinter. My Lord, he wants no part of

this backward saying, the way he's been training.

I want to give him a chance and I think there's a possibility.

They're just gonna send him from the gate from postal open, try

to make the lead and take advantage of the short stretch.

I would not take a penny of the 722 or less, but if somehow

Arabian lion drifts up a little bit, I would use him.

I think demolition do some very interesting horse.

I think first mission is very interesting and Empire Strikes.

Fast is very lightly race, but look, the horse he beat last

time out that goes back and got beat what ahead in the wood

Memorial while still amazing. Yeah, so it's yeah, it's a

pleasure, right another. We thought maybe Ledger would

have another another deer few starter out of the wood.

It's know, it's interesting to the race, really sets up to be

kind of a wide-open one. It's interesting to.

I understand. Why is it on, didn't move the

horse, but really lined actually strikes me as a perfect horse

for the Pate mileage on Derby Day.

That's what I was thinking, which is why?

Yeah. Christ, he's here.

There are plenty of opportunities.

Unless, of course baffert, you know, you know, they can't train

at Churchill Downs and they decided we're not going to move

him but I don't know. I think that the source is for

internal I think I'd get a mile of a 16th with the short stretch

with the right trip. If you believe the speed figure

from his last race, the race in, which he ran last.

In the all Bob baffert's, take that they ran in Southern

California. Human a 92, that's probably the

fastest buyer coming into this race.

I'm not sure, I believe the number, but if it's true, all of

a sudden, he's a contender and I love playing speed horses, but

not at 1:53, if he drifts to five to six to one.

He's a lot more interesting to me.

I think this arm is going to run a very good race.

Yeah, I have four horses in here.

Disarm is certainly one of them. I always include horses like

Arabian line because of Bedford beats me.

I feel stupid. So that's essentially

essentially what I have to do it.

Some of these races, the last race dad and I are going to talk

about and then I want to get your thoughts on.

Marty McGee before we sign off tonight last race we're going to

talk about is I think one of the absolute jewels of this weekend

the Jenny Wiley grade 16 hundred thousand dollars are going to

Milan a 16th on the turf course at Keeneland one of the cool

courses frankly in all of North American Racing is for Phil.

He's a foreign up Dan It's rare that that we get a race like

this. I was we're talking about this

on my radio show today and I think I understand why in

Italian is a favorite. I think 725 is not a good number

now against this field. No, it's not like the Apple

Blossom Field. This is extremely strong field

and I was a great one field. Yes, we're racing fan to watch

this one and take part because it Italian very good.

There's no doubt and she might be lose speed and she's the

fastest horse on paper. But you've got horses in here

that can certainly up a queen goddess.

Just won the Pegasus a World Cup Filly and mare Turf most very,

very consistent. I'm not sure we've seen her best

yet. I think that with the Moonlight

has the potential to be a good horse.

If they keep her here this year and that's probably where I'm

going. I hate the 522.

I wish she drifts. I don't know if she will because

I don't think Charlie Appleby anything.

You trains drifts the way he's been winning in North America

about horses, but he is the recency advantage over in

Italian, The Source has two starts in Dubai.

Not against good Fields, but Workman like victories.

I think we'll see a progression and I think we'll see her.

Maybe stretch out to longer races as the year progresses in

Italian. Sure she's the worst to be, but

she is not unbeatable against this Quality quality field horse

that I like here. Dan, actually that's a longer

number speak of the devil. The four horse here, Chad, Brown

and flavian. I think if she runs runs her

race like she did last year, first time out in that.

Distaff, mile at. Churchill Downs.

If she runs that Ray, she can win this race.

And so, that's why I think it's a trade one.

Yeah. Yeah.

She's smoked in Italian that day at Churchill Downs.

She absolutely smoked or look like the Filly that wouldn't be

an Italian. At the end of year was going to

be speak of the devil, the move she made on the far, turn the

way she swept by everybody. You know, it left your jaws

dropped and then what happened? She was terrible in the just a

game. She got hurt.

She goes to the sidelines and if you want to give her the layoff

excuse last time, go right ahead, especially at the price.

She is on the morning line. Great odds.

She, she just didn't do any running.

So it's fair to question. Soon, whether she can still

step, but boy, if she can run back to that Churchill race,

that was an extremely exciting performance.

This is what Chad Brown does the best speak.

Speaking of speak to speak of the devil, second off, the lay

off about a month month and a half type of layoffs, going on

the turf and frayed it exactly in grade 6, all the 23 percent

or better and in fact, second off the layoff, he hits it 30

Believable. And so, there you go.

Hey, I'm practically. Just think about this for a

second. You've got a Breeders Cup.

Winner is 20 to 1:00 in the morning Line, Pizza Bianca when

the juvenile fillies Turf and only one 120 2 1 in the morning

line. You got a horse like white

Frost, which is shows up each and every time, and it's going

to be a big price. This is a really, really good

race. Tune it.

I mean skill is one of the Sands Point last year, and she's in

this race and she's 1125 Point has That's why it's a great

show. We like to do our own grades of

the races. This is a grade 1 plus.

I mean I don't know how to great.

It's great it's awesome and so that I'm that I'm mad that in

Italian a horse of its it Italians quality with I ratibor

2725, is it speaks to how good this field really is before you

get out of here, Dan? I um, so last fall we found out

a Breeders Cup that Mike and I had been welcomed into the

national Turf writers and broadcasters.

We were the first Podcast Bros to get into the NT.

W AV one of the voices in the room that spoke up with us for

us is a guy named Marty McGee and Marty has decided to step

away from drf after was 1992 it, drf.

But it's Jennifer just a tariff or 50th consecutive Derby this

year which is incredible to believe a career that doesn't

need a lot of explanation but talk about Marty you you work in

an interesting place because It's you have you have a company

of people all over this country culturally, very different

places. It's a cool thing.

You got a guy like Jay print, menu.

Got you, you got a guy like Granite.

You got the guys in South Florida, you got.

And then you got Marty in the middle.

And, and I've got to know him personally, which has been

really nice. Talk about Marty McGee.

What he? What?

He brought to Europe. Well, I brought the whole

package didn't I mean, Not only was he a great writer and if you

actually read some of these, an eclipse award-winning writer his

some of his stories are just wonderfully.

Crafted not only is Ace reporter.

It doesn't matter what circuit you put Marty and whether it's

Kentucky, whether it's down at Gulfstream to help out Mike

Wells during the championship season.

Whether he's covering Tampa Bay Downs and he's a fantastic

handicapper. You see this picks an analysis

in the paper as well. Marty it's great that I get to

run into him once in a while and some of these big events

probably what I'll remember most was Marty and I might have been

the only two horse racing Professionals in New York, the

day American pharoah won the Triple Crown that was not At the

racetrack, we were in the drf studios doing Dr. A live show

that day covering the races. And when American pharoah one,

we just looked at each other and we realize there was a little

bit of a bomb there, but it didn't have to be, we should

write my moment like that is, I was at the covid Derby, its

2020. And I took the selfie, I'd snuck

in a bottle of mint julep with me, just to have a mint julep at

the Derby, right? So I'm holding it, I got the

selfie going and then I took the picture and I looked behind me

in there were Thousand empty seats on a 75 degree day.

In Louisville, a minute to post in the Kentucky Derby.

And I thought I'm glad I have the story but I hope I never do

this again. Yes.

Well, I'm with you 100% And it hurt a little bit more because I

think we both like frosted that day, that would hurt.

I hear you that that would hurt the go out front.

Stay out front of American pharoah was a Gronkowski ran

second that day first time user. All right.

Well, where do people find you? I'm sure you got a ton of stuff.

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Thanks, as always. It's always a pleasure.

Yeah, good stuff, right? Thanks Tim.

All right, Zach get up here, talk to you gentlemen, Daily

Racing Form, get him out of here.

Is that get about here? Oh, thanks Dan.

All right, so Louis we've talked about this on the show before.

Yeah. But which race has the most

Derby prep. Race has the most Derby winners

that came out of it. I've always thought it was the

Florida Derby is the Florida Derby.

With very close second and Anita Derby, I assume.

No. Okay.

What's the second? The second is, the woods

Memorial. Oh, yeah, right.

It just recently, it has it been?

That's why it's been so stunning is usually the New York Runners

are so good. That's right.

And you always great trainers, you got Chad Brown, you got Todd

Pletcher, like New York, dudes, and it just hasn't been

translated yet for some reason. 24, Florida, Derby, winners have

gone on to win the Kentucky Derby and 23 Woods Memorial

winners have gone on to win. That means the Florida Derby

recently passed the wood, then because there's a bit of wood

Memorial winner since 2000 with who said she Pegasus and so,

yeah. Yeah, that's a that's a stunning

number by the way. Santa Anita only has 17 and I

say only like that's a small number that's massively recent

stop because the bathroom. Yeah, yep.

So no interesting. Interesting stuff, good stuff.

And and by the way, Martin began, just wanted to say, you

know, I know we've talked about on the show.

I've definitely talked about it. We've had Marty on my ESPN

little show. Um, This podcast thing man.

It's a different thing because a guy like like element for

example, There's such so polished.

It's so professional. It's so everything but he comes

on the show and he knows that we're not like we're goofing

around. We're having fun.

I'm drinking bourbon like whatever.

Right. But like 100% but I also can say

things like yeah we know that SEO is a good predictor for who

ain't winnin the damn brightness you know like that kind of thing

and so it's phone. It's it's own thing.

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podcast thing, and it's fun that we get.

I mean, sure of a an Illman and, you know, these guys who have

done very serious traditional spots, Tim Wilkinson up in

Albany guys, that aren't is in the range of horse racing

coverage, right? Like, from, back in the days

where the only place you could get your coverage was a

newspaper newspaper, correct? Yeah.

And so sure from the only times he gave me a shot as a writer

appreciated. That of course, I loved it.

I hate that the newsletter went away.

It was one of the best things about my Monday's.

Um, but then you, you know guys like Illman guys like like Marty

guys like like Tim who Simply put like they get, they get it,

it's interesting, they're in it and they get it that the next

wave is this where it's just anyone can be on the platform

and as long, as long as it's a, it's a good contribution.

To the conversation that that it's worth it's worth being part

of. And I appreciate the people

consider us to be that because that's what Marty did for us.

I was told that of the people of the people nominated last year

that ours was the fastest because Marty was like, yep.

And I guess the quote was those guys belong and because of whom

are T is and Dan just talked about because of whom are Marty

is there wasn't really a discussion.

It was just if Marty says. So then we're going to trust him

and that's awesome. And I appreciate it.

I mean it I've I've done this talk like five times because I

mean it's so much I got to say it's a party when he came on

with us on ESPN 680, which is great.

And and so it's it's cool that people start to recognize this

platform and I want to say if and type in TWA be people who

are more tender than me. I don't feel like I can nominate

people need yet if you have a podcast out there.

And, you know, it's guys that show up every week, and really

do the work or gals are show up every week.

I'm sorry. I shouldn't just say, guys, meet

anyone who shows up every week, it does the job, and you think

that they're really contributing to the sport?

They really pay attention. That's who we want voting for

the eclipse Awards. We want the people that are

paying attention that watch every weekend.

They're excited about the Jenny Wiley.

Write that kind of stuff. That's who we want in our sport,

making the decisions about who the best.

The best horses, the strainers, best owners the best breeders

Etc. And so, you know, Kylie job

classic is down in the National top fighters and I get it.

Uh, he's website guy and he works for a Breeders

Association, so maybe he's a little too tight in.

But those are the kinds of guys to pay attention, man.

In, you know, he said something last month.

I get, this is the only sad part about this time of year is that

turquoise ending? Like, you don't like that.

You guys barely works of Maryland but it's obviously

paying attention, right? So that's a cool, that's a cool

thing as well. So I just wanted to say that,

you know, about Marty McGee. I mentioned, Jenny research

earlier in the show for the final fractions Theory.

Jenny wrote a letter for me to be in the national tour of

writers and broadcasters. Dani Reese was the first woman

to ever be the turf writer The Courier-Journal here in

Louisville, she did it for a very long time.

She's been, she's super prolific.

I mean, Jenny is just one of those people.

And so I got to thank her as well.

I mentioned to welcome an up at the Albany Times Union.

He's one of those guys that I, I really look up to he wrote a

letter for me too. So to print journalist wrote

letters for me and the guy at the drf went to bat for me, and

that's just cool, and I appreciate it and I don't take

it for granted. So I don't want people to ever

think that I do. We need to get out of here.

I will not be at Keeneland this weekend.

Zach I have a daddy-daughter dance for the first time.

Yes, these are things that you will not get to do unless one of

your son's is they offer me and Daddy Sundance, I'll take it.

I get it though. I might not get a slow dance

dancing and like drinking, right?

It might not be a slow dance. We might want my.

Yeah, it's a fun dance starts. So good stuff.

We'll be back next week, we'll be talking or Keeneland because

that's what's going this time of year.

I think, by next week, we're gonna have a really good idea of

who at least 18 of our starters, are for the Derby.

So I think we're gonna have a good sense of that.

I'm hoping, we'll have a nice big announcement next week, as

well for the show. But if you are not aware, I am

going to be in some form face shape or fashion at Derby or

excuse me at Churchill Downs. Six days of Derby week, Monday

through Saturday. You can listen to me 10 to noon

every single day Monday through Thursday, on my normal ESPN show

at ESPN little.com. You can also stream us anywhere

in the world if you want to and then on Friday, we are tdd.

That's the only day that I don't know.

Our schedule Derby day will have a three hour show streamable

anywhere in the world, ESPN Louisville.com.

And make sure you check us out there and you can listen to us.

We have a text line so you can interact with the show.

It's very fun and we'll make sure that we have that available

as well. Like I mentioned about the Shows

and on the show sorry I was on the show and on the site we're

going to list all the ESPN Affiliates.

That pickup is Serene Louis Derby coverage.

So yeah, for sure. That's right.

Yep. And it'll be a, it'll be a horse

racing, happy hour takeover vessel and Louis.

So, Mike will be joining us all six days as well, which is

awesome. You'll get Dan Issel all Six

Days On Track. He's coming in from from Denver

as well. Once again, I have to get a

credential for danis will because he's the cheapest person

I know and we'll be happy. Marilyn, she knows, you'll get,

you'll get Mike and me black-eyed, Susan, day, 10 to

noon. You'll also get Dan, he'll be

doing a broadcast for Denver and then on Saturday, it's TBD as to

what we're doing on, pick this day, my senses will do like an

11 to 12 showed Zach from that auxiliary Press Room in the back

of on ready, unrenovated, Pimlico Racecourse, deep within

the bowels, one of my favorite places in the world.

I think the tables are probably a couple years older than my

dad. I believe that after being him

ago, several times, the best part about do to show biblical

those you get done at noon and then there's just just they

bring out the plastic totes then they use them as coolers and

it's just Heineken cans. I don't know why maybe it's for

like maybe it's the international media, I don't

know. But we just crushed Heineken the

rest of the chase. It's just like Baltimore sniper

squad on the roof Heineken and then us getting done at noon

just crushing Heineken like I don't care either way Reverend

like arguably the best in filled in all of horse racing at

Pimlico. You can't beat it, they call it

free this for me something man, it's coming.

It's coming Bruno Mars. No it's gonna be ridiculous.

Okay, you will see Mike Lewis and I doing a video of Bruno

Mars. Playing at freakness.

I'm not saying what location will be, but we will all the

roof. Baby, I'm we taken from the

roof. We got a clear view of this of

the set for the room. For sure, we'll be right there

at the front of the stage. I'm not giving it away.

Okay, got it. Well, I think we should just

have Bruno metsu so I forget his name.

I think his name is Jean GE any I think is Gene like Gina

Rodriguez, our Gene Sanchez or something.

Anyway, I got mad at him once because I thought he was trying

to rip off Jamiroquai. So I was not happy about that.

As a kid, I grew up in the 90s. Very disappointed with the

ripping off. Would you be required for the

overuse of that things with them?

Tons of information on that side, of course, you can check

out horse racing happy our.com as well.

Make sure you check out all those things.

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My name is Leah vo. He Zach producer Zack.

We will see you next week on the horse racing.

Happy hour. It's been an hour.

So we should probably get out of here, a tab.

Mike, we'll see you next week. Thanks to Daniel and John Kasich

at their offer, John Kasich, and at drf ill.

Women for for Dan, as well dance.

I must follow for me, especially if you care about anything,

Mid-Atlantic Parks, getting out of Penn National, get into

anything. Come with coal or oil or when

they go up to Timonium for the races there as well, I Zack, I

have to say, One of the first one of the first cool things is

a medium ever that I got to do medium ever.

As podcast Pro outside outside of Kentucky, was cover the

Preakness and getting to do this series.

With these guys was this our third show, did we do three full

shows of those? Yes, I think it's been really

fun. We've had really positive

responses on Twitter and different places.

And so, if you live somewhere that has a series like this, if

you live in Indiana, if you live in Iowa, if you live in Ohio,

man fall in love with your own series fall in love with your

local. Tracks.

I think it's such a cool thing. I love the tradition in

Maryland. I put it up there with, with

anybody in the country, frankly, but you could do this a

Gulfstream. If you're in South Florida, you

can do this in New York with all the prep races in New York.

And so if you're in those places and Orleans, for sure, you

that's a great example. Of course in l.a., right?

It was in Anita and with a low Sal and all that go ahead and

fall in love with those places because There's a method to the

madness. Believe it or not with horse

racing. It feels like it's disjointed

sometimes but I mean watching watching Maryland, build those

races six Furlong seven, furlongs a mile for the ladies,

they go Molitor 16th, Louisville City, mrs.

Weekend, it's just cool to watch the progression.

Watch the horses grow up. They grow up in right in front

of you. It's three-year-olds.

That's a really fun part about horse racing as well.

The jetty while he's great at killing this weekend, that's a

bunch of great horses, but they're all four five and six

and whatever and they've been at it and you know, everything

about them watching a horse will grow up in these races in these

preparations. This is different in its

Special. So make sure that you turn into

that. Let's play the music.

Zac will get out of here. We'll try to do better next

week. I'm Lou Ruvo.

This has been the horse racing. Happy are

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