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racing. Happy hour live from Churchill

Downs for Kentucky Oaks 149. Now here's Mike Lewis and Dan I

just identical is the least happy person James.

Other filling it with the girls are running a grade one and

nobody. Nobody is even paying attention.

I'm watching with the ladies wearing today.

What's the what's the, what's the expression?

A great one. Let's see, there's a great one

being run right now. He's my wife out here,

believable that. Yeah, if we want to do it.

In space radio, by the way it's we're in a good section.

Alright, we are the 37th running of their recent distaff, great

17, hundred fifty thousand dollars, it is, it's often going

there going around that could ignite our example.

We think there's a he's got all the college kids, their turn,

she's midnight, Olive is not going to smell the board.

Good night, all of his survival of so you can have the real

heat. There goes up and around again.

This is why this is called open up.

This might open up, we'll see. Matter Rhea.

Matter, it takes over the only here at H great as a career

move, good night, although overcomes this and comes back

and get this thing over here course, we can Halo second, this

would be an unbelievable comeback with a night.

All trying to push the rail, smart move by The Jock here to

get down to the railroad matter area and matter are gonna hold

on 5, you get 5 to 1 on matter Ray, as I said, it's don't

there's not a single and an 52 Walter Masseria, you say

goodnight? Hello said.

Hey where's matter in this race? Let's go, that's incredible 521

right there when you bet Jen that one?

Yeah, well matter area like that matter a of matter Ray, again,

her first win and since June of twenty two Louis canning that

she was so good. Last summer, she won the acorn.

That was the last one that she got.

She missed. She came in third in the test

and second in the matron awesome to see flavoring.

At Andrea back in the Winner's Circle to brag, on our Pioneer,

in the Nile brighter for 110k, she's over a million in earnings

coming into today. And so of course with the purse

today of 7 are fifty thousand dollars is a lot of Honor for 52

that matter. A also a former winner of the

eight Bells which is one of the most popular races of the

weekend so that it's so talk to me Dan.

I've always wondered this, I don't know if anyone listening

care so I'll just do it for me. What do you think she's worth in

a private sale as a broodmare horse like that?

You know? No, I'd have to see the rest of

her pedigree, but she's read an old and by good Dolphins.

So I imagine she's out of a man for mayor, but she is a, she is

a now, a two-time grade, 11, a grade, one winner, serious grade

10 years, starting, you know, depending on if there's if

there's any pedigree there at all, besides her and good

dolphin, didn't keep any bum broodmares.

You started three and a That's why I thought I was gonna say

45. It's three and a half to four

and a half. Maybe 50 could often also owning

pretty mission who won the. Yeah, they write notes on the

ocean today. I feel good for them.

That's what is small. These small operations when they

jump up Dan in these great ones, you have to feel good for him.

Don't you ever made a doesn't laugh about that laughing on a

Saturday? All right, battery, they look

great really, well-written horse right there from flavian good

trip. And I mean what do you talk

about stockings? Trip.

Where you make your move on the train.

That's it. That was that was perfect,

right? It up at him that it was a

closer close the rail so that good night, owl couldn't make

her run and was a good another Trifecta on the sheet but that

was when you should have had something and that's especially

boxer, right? So yeah.

All right. The ninth race is the 32nd

running of the American Turf is a grade, two mono 16th on the

turf. Get a little wind, pick up right

here. Nothing like we had on the back

side earlier this week but you know, we're at $3 actually.

It's good versus the way I came when we were in a hurricane.

That's I just came up. I just came up with a chuckle

man, this race. Hey, by the way, Louis, instead

of buying lunch as a compromise, here we go.

I'm going to just make a donation to The Mark Stoops

statue and dances specifically to the big blue wall.

That would be behind that statue.

We saw John clay a little earlier Courtney's.

Texan, get NPR out of the way and I'll come join you.

Talking to John clay, who came up with the brilliant idea.

But Hannah came up with a brilliant ideas Lexington move

ever building in hat at there at the Derby.

John clay, dominating, go ahead. Go ahead and I'm listening to

you, Dan, I'm done, I want you to interrupt me for the third

time. I'm done.

I didn't interrupt you Dan. I wanted to hear what you had to

say. I definitely want here without

bumping saying, John clay, get was the one who had the idea to

build the Statue for marks. Well, the statute football, I

just can't believe they won't give you the money back.

Yeah, they the field after him do whatever.

We gotta do. Let's go Stoops college at the

University College? That's let's go.

All right, we I think we all agree that this is a very

intriguing race and we may see the arrival of a potential

Superstar and this one with the 11 Carl spackler.

There's a lot of lightly run horses here.

Lou, I know you love major dudes and towards the confirmation on

major dude. Yeah.

So So why don't you go first here?

Louis? Tell I think it's interesting,

man. I so major.

Do they, and then knows this. They, you know, they went ahead

and ran at Red Turfway. You know what?

I'll tell you then, I think, even if he wins a Jeff Ruby's

takes he's running in this race, you think?

I think they put him right back in American surf.

I think they know what they have.

I think they know what they want going forward.

And this is a ter Force. It's interesting because this is

out of the deorro line, right? Just started him on the bottom.

You do get some luck on grass on that line, but I think they've,

And what they want to do with him, he wins kittens Joy, a

Gulfstream Park. They try them in the Jeff

Ruby's. Takes I'll be very clear.

There are very few three-year-olds who are going to

compete with two, fouls on that day on that surface right.

Right, right. He was that good?

That day. That surface.

I want to put all those caveats in because it does matter for

our purposes better quarter but he picks up that check.

That's a seven out of fifty thousand dollar race, right?

So that's still I mean, you know that's a that's a big boy check.

He's already made four hundred thirty six thousand dollars.

I think this is a chance for him to come out.

I don't love the one here. Damn because he's going to have

to make a trip but if a guy's going to push his way to a trip,

it's I read Ortiz. And so I do have, you know, I

think that he's absolutely a contender.

I totally agree about the 11. I think the two horses really

interesting here too far bridge for pleasure as well.

It's got 12 in this race as far as the stop horses.

Two runs two wins, they started him at a mile and a sixteenth

Maiden Run, beat Carl, spackler in that race.

I hear over and over again. How good Carl spackler is?

I believe the hype By the way, but if you can be Carl, spackler

head-to-head in your maiden, that's a pretty good win for me.

So I'm including both of those that I think Carl, spackler,

major players. And I'm going to go back to what

I said, 45 minutes ago. Chad Brown is not Chad Brown,

just got a three to five Peaks, farewell Chad Brown didn't, but

you know, and they are rather these about you.

And yesterday in the race, there was a grass race for

three-year-old, Phillies? Yes.

That he had a filling who had made one start just like, If

this cult, if I had this Colts made two starts, but very

impressive made and when that I think went off in the face has a

favorite in that race five and you couldn't find her with a

search warrant. So I'm not I'm not sold on Carl

spackler. The two horses you mentioned.

Make the most sense. One and two.

I'm going to include mendelssohn's March.

And I both land, and I'll tell you why, he's, this will be his

fourth. Start Mendelssohn has done very

well on the grass as Sire and he is out of a Galileo.

Mayor and Galileo is just I mean in Europe isn't Galileo was

amazing. Yeah.

And so he ran, he won his first start just like Freddie Mercury,

he ran second got beat ahead, but won by disqualification.

Came back on a sloppy track and one at Hot Springs.

His buyer numbers keep progressing.

They ran him in the Bluegrass like everybody does trying to

see if They have a Derby horse and they don't hear an six, got

beat eight and a quarter. But this horse looks like to me,

Louis, he should love the grass and so an absolutely looting him

underrated combination here to make pee-can Hernandez.

Junior at Churchill Downs, has two of them, very successful, 19

percent. That's a massive number at a

place, like this with the field sizes that we have here.

And I don't think I mentioned at the beginning, but this is a

three-year-old only race and we talked about a lot, but it's

good for our listeners who maybe don't follow this closely.

To hear it and you all both brought it up and roundabout

ways. Lots of times you get a

two-year-old you're trying to see if you guys shot of the

Triple Crown and then you spend the rest of time figuring out

what you got after the triple crown and lot and these horses

you've got a lot of these guys and maybe you figured it out

earlier than they wanted you to like it major deutz case who

does have four starts on the turf with two wins and a third.

A lot of other starts on the synthetic so you got to like

that as well. And then what there's a handful

of horses in here. He took a shot at triple crown

and points races and just didn't work out for whatever reason.

So there you go. I hope Carlos Packwood gets it

because I'm a big Caddyshack fan.

You like Caddyshack? I have no idea what you're

talking about. Never seen Caddyshack the movie

so Caddyshack. Yeah, is Carl spackler?

That groundskeeper? Yeah.

Okay, yeah, we just got a shout-out on and this, this is

cool man. Scott Wyckoff who's at WBAL in

Baltimore? Yes, listening right now.

God, shout out to you again table here.

The I know, I don't know, we'll meet Scott later.

Scott will be a Preakness in a couple weeks, man.

Let's get connected. Let's do some crossover stuff

because we're fans and so thanks for listening while you're in

town. I'm glad you're having fun with

it. Big compliment to you day in the

Tweet, so they thank you very much.

Appreciate last night, Louis I, you know, I'm watching all the

TV coverage of all the Gaylords. Sure.

I'm just like waiting to see Israel and Sheree walked the red

carpet while Sherri brought a different guys.

So, like you and say, look, look Carrie dominates tender.

Well, what? Yeah, that's what I hear.

I remember that. Yeah, yeah, she hooked up on

Tinder, she pushes a not over. There.

You go basketball player. All right, now with Derby tone

even Eddie is here. Finally, I mean, now it's now

it's Derby. There we go.

But yeah, I mean, look, once in a while, I mean, you've been

married about how long 53 years in 107.

There it is. You got to push the NS a lot of

the way and rock the red. The red carpet with a different

guy. It is what it is.

There was a time though when you give the red carpet and you did

all the Derby parties that year. The Derby parties.

I don't even remember if they had a red card because I think I

don't think there was back then, but we did the derby party.

Just want to show around all that you to Barnstable Brown.

I've never been to the to that one.

Okay. Wow.

Yeah, we went to school with them, right?

They were twins. Yeah.

Yeah, they were cheerleaders at Kentucky, right after Sherry,

right after Sherry was there. Mike.

Casey, dated one of them? I don't remember which one will

he let that fall apart for a A while.

But yeah, but no, I've never been to their party, okay?

Feels like you put up with a lot to be married to that.

I'm just saying I'm a little shocked.

Actually, I would have thought that Dan Issel, bitter

no-brainer for the, I want to be clear about something with

danis. Glitz & Glam is nice.

Janice was a farm boy from Illinois, and Missouri.

Hey, did you see and I'm not picking on him.

Did you see my outfit today? Yesterday I tried to look nice.

I had dress shoes on. I had nice slacks.

I have a sport mode and about to go into a honeymoon.

Thousand dollar a person box upstairs.

I got, I got the jeans, I got to hear something.

I got tennis shoes and blue jeans.

The days of me, trying to impress, somebody are long past,

let me, but let me tell you that, right?

So, you don't even really like, remember the parties you were

too, huh? The one I remember specifically

was John Y and, and oh, and Ellie had had a derby party that

and it was so exclusive, that's when they own the kernels and

they didn't invite All the kernels they only invited me.

Louis and artists. We were the only three.

The guy that got invited? My I can't remember who all was

there. Lee Majors was there?

Muhammad Ali was there? Carl?

R0, the announcer. So you were at a derby party

with Muhammad Ali. Yes, boom.

Boom. Have I never told you this.

No, let's go. This is great.

This is great. So Howard Cosell that it was, it

was in the days. That this is name-dropping.

I can't even every moment name-dropping.

That's who was there. Howard Cosell was there.

So or maybe sooner drink ABC, had the coverage and so the

night before they visited, several of the Derby parties.

And so Howard Cosell is at as at John and Ellie's house and were

you on a first-name basis with Howard Cosell?

Yeah. Okay.

By the way, coming down, he's called me.

Dan and I called him Howard. Sherry was seen with Kevin Love

on the red carpet. Someone who hangs out with us

way too much and we appreciate you at was, that's a good one.

All right, go back to the house, so they're going to do live

broadcast from like three different Derby parties.

So Howard Cosell is at John and Ellie's.

So Muhammad walks in and he's got he has an Entourage of about

seven or eight people. And I'm a very nice wasn't you

know, wasn't mean or anything? Very nice and there was a I

think they call it a cupboard between the kitchen and the

dining room. It was like a hallway or

panting. Yeah.

And so Muhammad and his Entourage.

Go in that hallway in that, in that pantry.

And so now, the lights. Come on.

Okay. And here's Howard Cosell and

he's supposed to end. He's supposed to interview John.

And Ellie and some of the people that are at the derby party,

right here. Comes Muhammad part.

I forget who he was going to be getting ready to fight.

I'm gonna kill him, he's a bum and he dominates the dominates,

the entire, the entire 10 minutes or whatever.

The segment was. I mean, Howard's, trying to

interview other people and Muhammad's behind them.

I'm the greatest. I'm floating like a butterfly,

stinging. Want to kill it, might kill him

out the lights. Go out that by the way, is an

impersonation of Muhammad Ali and Take Five Shell.

Had a baby. That's what that was.

So so the lights go out. Okay.

Yeah. The the interview is over.

Sure, Muhammad goes back in the day, he was except he was one of

the most soft-spoken human beings you could ever imagine

for being a heavyweight boxer. But The lights went on so did so

did Muhammad well. You told the story even you're

in a hotel. You're with Sherry.

No one else is around. Yeah, walks up to you.

He starts doing card tricks. We do.

We it was it was when John why I was running for governor and he

did a fundraiser and had people, it was a roast.

So he asked, you know, invited some people to roast him and,

and then, you know, you paid so much to come and that went to

his run for governor. So it was on a Saturday night.

So And I were staying at the hotel down on Fourth Street and

we go out for lunch and we come back and the lobby is completely

empty. There's not a soul in lobby,

right? Except sitting over on a couch

with a table in front of it. Is Muhammad Ali and I had met

Muhammad a couple of times, you know, we knew each other, well,

enough to say hello and emotions for Sherry and I to come over.

So, we come over and we sit down.

Down. And he proceeds for the next 15

minutes to do card tricks. Don had an energy about him like

no other. We're just I went up.

I said sure you realize the most recognizable popular man on the

entire planet. Yep, just did card tricks.

Let's get back into the derby field here.

Well, okay, go ahead now just because, I mean, I understand

talking the undercard but it's Derby day.

We've talked about one Derby horse, We have three segments

left. Do we have tons of things?

Like we're good. We're good on time.

Okay, we're good. Alright, we got, I mean I think

we gotta get the ring 500. Okay.

All right. Because, you know, the Bettors

want to bet man, unfortunately 14 minutes.

Alright, parents give us some time to bet.

We got plenty of time to cover this field.

We only got 18 horses are man. Danny Burke came back and we

were breaking news. It's the first guy first guy

that had the scratch on Twitter that I saw.

If you're not following Danny printer then you're not worth or

screw. All right there you go.

All right we know that. At Dan loves salt and peppers.

DJ Spinderella here, obviously. So this is race five.

The 30th running of the Longines Churchill, just after Four Mile

to grade 15 hundred thousand dollar race.

Dan, are you, have you been bitten by the single enough to

not single Spinderella? Are you still gonna stick with

it? And I think of the five think

spender, Ella is certainly the horse to beat in here.

It especially if you're drinking my Chad Brown Kool-Aid, because

Chad Brown has Horses in here, none of which are great one

winners there they want some grade twos and and some great

threes. I think the two horses that I

would play in here are spender Ella who right now is 6 to 5 and

the 4 horse who is 92 to. Those are the four and the five

are the two that I like the six and the eight are scratched out

of here. Six being one of savage oakes's.

Joseph Juniors horses Louis. About you.

I'm a I landed on the 5 on top here who I assume is spend a

relic, right? Yes.

And then the two was second for me, speak of the devil, another

Chad Brown here. This is Flavia proud.

We just watched him pilot moderator to really rated.

Well, rated Victory going over a Sprint.

We'll see if he can turn it around and rate it over the mile

on the turf course here at Churchill Downs.

Mike knows I love the route races on the turf here.

The mile and an eighth is probably my favorite in the

world but you know, I think it has a really serious jock here.

1412 Churchill, 5 for 12, lifetime of the distance, ton of

experience going this amount of ground on the, on the turf spent

much of her life in France has been in the US and is Run 3

times 1 or first time in the just after if Mi came back tried

a grade 1 and the just a game ran in the honey fox in March.

So we're essentially second off the layoffs here.

This kind of life here at Red Brown at 22%.

He hits with Fabien at Churchill at 43%.

Wow, recent recent numbers and so for me that's easily the

second. I think spend a relative the

class of the field but if we're looking at connections, the

whole picture the to come second.

Alright, so interestingly enough about the turf racing going on.

The inner rail has been taken down down further that we've

seen it this year. Yeah, so we were going to have

to look at that week, their Turf course.

Louis really fair up to this point.

I think. So Dan.

Do you agree with that? Yeah again just like the dirt

track. I don't think you can come from

way, I agree. You got to pay, you got to be in

the hunt. It's, you know, it's interesting

because, you know, Keeneland always it seems like they're

always on a good. It like, you know, it's RIT

listed as a good Turf course, they really wet that down.

Seems whatever they're doing over there here when they say

firm they freaking meet him, right?

So what we mean by that they basically they're good.

They're not thankfully to more horse wits.

I would say of that's about eight more feet.

It was actually three horses that are going to be available

track. That was not has not been

available all week and so we're Be very curious to see if that

rail is live or not. The reason they do that is so

that the horses run over different parts of the grass and

don't rip up all of the grass in one spot and so they can move

the rail out. And by doing that they lengthen,

the amount of distance of horses have to run when they do that.

They move the gate up to shorten the amount of distance to make

it match with how far the gate is offering.

So we'll have to just keep an eye out there, see how the turf

course is going but by all accounts so far it looks like

it's gonna be good. Alright, so we now we'll go back

to the derby. Teacher Tick-Tock verify we're

good. We talked verifying already when

you go to three horse. So to Phil's to fils-aime the

hardest to figure out horse in this race.

I think very, I mean, you either love them or you don't, right?

So and especially if he's going to be going the four spot.

I think you love a little bit more to Phil's 12:00 to 1:00 in

the morning line with this is built with this was a program is

printed for all the way down to 72 one.

I think is the last one I saw the winner of the Jeff Ruby

Stakes obviously the Derby winner.

Last year came out Jeff. Just a few though, we didn't win

it. Louis talk about your love

affair with to Phil's who has the first time jockey jareth

lover, Barry aboard, love a very loud.

Very I have him on top. I just think of the preps that

we saw, this was the best break from gate move into company and

then break away from the field version that we saw.

I think the other one is Angel of Empire.

I think those two preps were the best as far as As tactical speed

showing what you can do, 48, running anymore.

So we can't talk about the Florida Derby.

He overcame everything in that race to win that race but man

I'm not as sold on Mage as other people are.

And so for me major dude, actually as a Turf horse running

on that sit surface is a harder thing to beat than mage.

I'll put it that way. Okay.

So I actually think his performance in the Jeff Ruby's.

Takes is better than what Forte did in the Florida Derby.

All of that said I would have liked for its a better if he

were healthy and running and doing all the things that

forsaken do the translation from Turfway to hear.

It happens a lot. We see it a lot, but we see it a

lot with dime claimers in allowance races.

Will we see it in a grade one level like this?

I don't know. But I know one thing, Dan the

distance, thinking about that, this horse at all.

No. So, once in a while that is the

big check mark for us, we talk about for example, horse that

did scratch out was the tenant practical move?

We were worried about 10 furlongs with him with the three

into Phil's, not worried about him, but the digital, you know,

and, yes, he ran on the synthetic surface last timeout

and, and it was an impressive race.

But unlike Cox's Philly yesterday, we would only been on

Turf and the synthetic this horse ran very well on Ray.

Regular, dude, there's one who in the Risen star.

He was third got beat a little over 2 lengths by two other ones

Empire in the lockup. He was second to instant coffee

who I think, Brad thought all along was his very best

three-year-old and so, you know, I don't think you have to be

concerned about his last race on the synthetic surface up up at

Turfway. I think he's shown that he has

strong. Enough dirt form to be

considered a contender. Here you go.

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Happy hour live from Churchill Downs for Kentucky Derby 149.

Now here's Mike Lewis and Dan. All right, a little 50 Cent.

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He said, no, here's the thing, here's the thing.

Ben Roberts joins us. He joins us on his soul movie

every Thursday 10:30. Topically.

Great hit, great hair for a guy who works in a meeting where no

one season. You have great hair been, does

your wife talk about your hair? She does not.

But thank you because my wife lies to me and she says, I don't

care about your hair, which is, I mean, the mass of life from a

woman. I mean, just unbelievable.

And so on your wife's doing a bad job, I'll just tell Mom that

my wife tells me, I'm losing my hair, and I'm like, are you

looking at my friends? I mean, seriously, look at

Luigi. Look, hang out with Louis.

Jeez! Oh Peter, you scared him too

long. It's like looking at it,

eclipses are right. My wife says, who are you?

Ben Roberts just getting here because he was out all night at

the Derby. Galas look, it happens.

Levity, that is and or for burping, an 18 month old, who

knows how's the baby? How's it going?

Yeah, I don't think I'll change the diaper this morning actually

said, oh we got away with one there, that's called very nice.

I've been carrying on the tradition, joined us for

Breeders Cup last year, and now hopping on unannounced, totally

par accident at a time. No but Edge, especially Aquila

because he hung out for like, 45 minutes turned out really great,

dude, you're on your own. There was sort of talking here,

that's the fifth or sixth race. Like, I'm supposed to fifth.

This race goes off. Ya hear your odds over sort of

God came in and so you're talking about bucking a trend.

That's, that's a long time. Coming in the UAE Derby, why do

you like the most so much? I'm just, I did like for table,

for he scratched. I Know, Dan likes angel of

Empire. He's wearing the pin right now.

That's that's my second choice, okay?

But I just I feel like obviously some of these horses are going

to take a step forward, but I feel like we kind of know what

we're getting with most of the horses in this field, I think

dermis odekake based off the way he's run.

It's on the same tier or higher than a lot of these horses.

And obviously, you know, I've said for over 20 years and I'm

not going to bet one of these shippers, until one of them does

something. And, you know, here I am all-in

on Derma just because I'm not other than angel of Empire.

I'm just not enthralled. Got anybody else?

That's a fair take. All right, I got to know because

you all probably already talked this out but the, you know, they

chose the top 30 bass waxworks to choose their Derby winners

and you left off the guy sitting next to us to the left.

That's it. You not consider him a horse

racing expert. Oh, he was, he was, oh no, I'm

talking about the basketball basketball.

All right, I'm coming down the stretch here in race Sunbrella.

Dan has stood up. It's been really going to get

beat by the rela, 100 hungry right now.

Do not single anybody. As fluffy socks, going to get

this, that is Fluffy socks. The seven.

That is Chad Brown Ortiz. Alright.

Chad on the turf. We're going to go seven, more

Iran Chad right there with fluffy socks being spent.

Well again if you see right now, someone who's less than even

money, do not bet that horse because it is not work out well

as 425 425. Better people for y'all be

better. Bad, who that's the trend

though. This whole weekend has been a

trim and you forget the on-track money this weekend, man.

They see a favorite, they start betting that, it's all you.

Yeah, Thad Roberts with us at than Roberts HL on Twitter.

Go find him there. He did a podcast about how to

bet the Derby Ben. What's it like to be a phony

until people how to get the dirt is?

Pretty Sound Advice, probably one of those horses is crushed

and Enlighten like crack you did that with John?

Oh I do like Skinner jock like to have yes, which Uncle John

clay time. He on Twitter as well.

Go find those guys kentucky.com slash Sports.

If you're listening and you're in BBN and you don't subscribe

to the Herald-Leader, you're legitimately missing out easily.

I mean, easily the best coverage, right?

Absolutely not about it. And so, so Ben, I mean, look, is

Hunter Dickinson going to win the Derby.

Or how does that work? No, I don't think he's going to

end up here after after this week real quick.

Yes, NASCAR race in Kansas. I guess this weekend's a good

idea. Lots of show me your so with

Oscar. She boy.

Is he coming? Yeah, I would I'm leaning toward

he's coming back now but there's yeah, there's still a lot to

work. All right, let's get back to

that durbeyfield. Alright we're going to start

with the 4 horse here. Confidence game trainer, Keith,

the sore Mo, and James Graham aboard.

This is the don't tell my wife Stables who also had my boy Jack

a couple years ago. Is that a great name?

But don't tell my wife stable. Yeah, I don't want to know.

By the way, I saw a woman wearing this hat, it mean, the

name means nothing. Oh yeah.

I mean the names dead. Okay.

You told your wife I'll because we saw The Confidence Game.

Had it on the backside that a couple women wearing them too

soon. I was not better yet.

No. But like, don't tell me it's not

telling your wife and then your wife's therapist will help

Hawker sea with the fourth Confidence Game.

Definitely one of the buzz horses Louis boss W think is the

buzzword we're here on Saturday. I'm calling it confidence came

to Buster's, winner of the Rebel, Stakes decided to skip

100-point races all together. Do you like the smooth in the

slop in the rebel? I don't like that move.

But I get it. This is the king Guillermo

route. Drink to the Kentucky Derby.

I and luckily didn't spike a fever.

Like I don't know a third of the field here and so Dan, and this

horse I can't figure it out. Everyone either.

This is this is the polar horse. Yeah.

It like her. Don't.

Okay? Because I pay attention to

breeding which you and I don't know if Mike does that all this

is a candy ride horse. How many times have I said the

words royally bread in the last time out of a burning Nene mayor

that brought 25 thousand dollars at auction.

His legs must be on backwards, and that makes sense.

That if he is, if he is not a well conformed horse, it makes

sense that he would perform better in the slop than he does

on a fast track. And the fact that he hasn't run

since the rebel, he's a chuck for me, I could chuck them out.

How much you been? Are you leaving comments game?

Take it, you take it. No.

Well with all these scratches, he might sneak into a try

Factor, so sure, just because yeah.

And you know, obviously in a different move from desormeaux,

I think you got my boy Jack for 20,000 if I remember right?

And I think Texas red was also okay.

Yeah. Right.

Not that big of a purchase so amazing.

How there are groups like that isn't a day?

Yeah. Yeah.

That mean he obviously has a horse, he has an eye for a horse

that he can. Live with some deficiencies in

the confirmation and still think they can run through it.

It's Abby Smith of horse racing track.

Let's go my boy chubby the next 30, more points.

Extra fee horse, I need that. Like I do knocks actually had

Confidence Game in my hair leader, picks at and but not as

a horse, I thought we could win, but just like you just said, is

a horse I think could be very live in the trifecta better.

So Of the five horse. Tap it tries top pitchers.

Best horse now, Luis saez aboard, I think some people

thought was his best friend. I think this quite possibly the

most talented horse on the field.

We've talked at maturity is going to be the oh question do

you happen to take? Well don't they?

They do it and you know everything set up for this horse

to get, you know, to get to the final four.

Hope we don't get beep, I can't stay in the second round.

You know, you just never know what's gonna happen.

So Dan, what about you on? Tap at Tracer.

You like the source? Yeah.

He has all the talent in the world.

We just, he reminds with this be the most expensive purchase to

ever win. The Kentucky Derby 1.3.

I took great ocean. Now, what it, what?

How much it was Lucy, actually, Pegasus doesn't building million

flag? I sold for a ton of.

Yeah. Like, I think is million flat

when he died, I bought him. So I think this would be the

most expensive horse ever to win the Kentucky Derby.

Who the talent keeps moving in. All right.

It's a good section. So your geeky talk about

advertise. Do you want me to fill in now or

well? I mean he as I checked every box

right? Can you know we're here?

You know you go ahead. I'll say this is I'm all I want

are doing this already here. You know go ahead.

I think he's a big what? When I watch him run, he looks

like a big Goofy teenager and if he makes that next step.

Even in, he's very talented. Might be the most talented horse

in the race, but he sure doesn't look like he's put it all

together to me. And you know with all this going

on here a mile and a quarter in front of all these people.

I he's not my Top Choice. I'll say that.

It wouldn't surprise me if he won, but he's my not my top

choice, I think big Goofy teenagers the best description

of him that I've heard? Yeah, yeah, absolutely no

question. Yeah, I know he's my toss among

the favorites here. I don't Like, the way he breaks

and of what 18 horse field now, and it just seems like it takes

them forever to once he gets moving, he's faster than anybody

in this field, but it takes them forever to do that.

And the way he breaks, I think he's going to have some trouble

getting to that point. And once he finally gets moving,

it might be too late. Yeah, and what might be the most

besmirch Louisiana Derby. Winner of all time.

Kings. Barn comes in at number six.

Another Todd Pletcher horse here written by Jose Ortiz, through

the first time Jose rides, Kings Barnes.

Be in the Kentucky Derby for runs four different jockeys,

very strange undefeated coming in the only undefeated horse,

but still very disrespected in a lot of ways oppression.

So, I mean, there's a little face, right?

No question. This is the Overlook course of

the week. I can't remember the last time

we had an undefeated Derby horse and everyone was like yeah he's

itõs. When I mean easy toss, which is

interesting because one of the old things that you had to look

at his like had they had a triple digits.

Prefigure sure the echo base to be figure has him having to

Triple digits be Fisher. You know, and that's that's not

easy to do. There's not a lot of horses in

this field to have one. He's a fascinating horse and the

thing I'll say about the Louisiana Derby, I'll say two

things that are very positive for him.

Number one, it's a Milan 360. Only talking about an extra half

for a long here. The second part is, it's not his

fault that Flavia and rocked everybody to sleep on the front

end, right? That's what he's supposed to do.

You hire the best jockey to win the ding race?

And that's exactly what he did, right gets out front.

He's like, you know, I'm going to set these moderate fractions

and No, I'm looking behind me. No one's there.

Okay, great. I'm just going to keep doing

this and he had to kick at the end.

Did he was he hit them at the end?

I didn't need to know. So the pace of that race very

slow minute 57, but remember an extra half for a long on that

race. We're talking about other horses

coming out like hit show in that Gotham minute 54 over a mile and

an eighth. It's still fast.

The question is the extra half Furlong here?

Can he finish it in 2001 2002? Something like that.

It took off this field. All right.

Well, well, that's a sign of vocal Mala, tap it, on the

bottom of it is that you love them.

I love them. Okay.

Let's hear why? I just go back.

If you're at a computer right now or will be before the before

the price goes up, go back and look at all three of his races.

You just absolutely flies out of the gate.

I every single time. As you said, not his fault that

the fractions were so slow in the Louisiana Derby.

Do I see if he breaks the way he has in the past, he gets out

there, he gets a good position, probably a link there to off the

lead. I would imagine maybe a little

more and he's clean turning for help from home and then it's

just a matter of if we can get them on a quarter and I think he

can. So yeah he's going to be in all

of my stuff and might even have a little win bet on them again

that that's more bucking history like during specific.

I so I'm all in on that this year.

Last time we saw Derby, winner only have three races and three

wins coming in. His name was Justin has not yet

2018. That was the last time, of

course, the it's very unusual for us to have a horse.

That doesn't runs a two-year-old.

Yep, it's happened twice. So Kings Barnes fighting that.

Yeah, Least have a modern example of it.

We do would justify we at least have that.

I'm not saying is definite today, but we, at least have an

example, you know, that brings up the extra point there,

because of course, just about goes on to win the Triple Crown

and there's some health issues after that, part of the reason

we want to see horses run as two-year-olds, it's because

those bones need to have the stress on them.

No question to strengthen for that this Triple Crown run.

So that's a bitchy one of the worst arguments in horse racing

is that they shouldn't run it too.

It's such a terrible argument. Damn, Remind me next segment

after we get done with Randy Moss.

Okay, and who's on NBC coverage? He's on a podcast, he was on a

podcast called. Pardon the interruption I've

ever heard that pot a TV show. No, not that show.

It's a podcast called Park. These are the most irreverent

people you have ever heard, first on the process, and they

had Randy Moss, they haven't before the Derby and before the

Breeders Cup. He said, Dumbest thing I have

ever heard anything anybody say about horse racing?

So remind remind me that we get to that before.

The you know why you did that? What does Randy Moss has the

opposite hair than Ben Roberts? All right, we're going to like

being get out of here. Ben, thanks for calling us man.

Reincarnate yes, or no, I like them among the 50 21 shots.

But not, not okay, no one that's like super Factor, kind of.

But Alaska is I like ya get it's in him and see what happens.

This is my style right there. Thanks guys.

All right. Thanks man.

It's got check our time right here, right now.

We're good. We're doing great.

Yeah, we're doing fantastic. Do we want to keep on going down

the durbeyfield a little bit further?

I know. We're kind of punching through a

whole bunch of right now. You're doing great, but I think

we're on a roll. Let's, let's talk about

reincarnate here, because this is a potential buzzwords are to

that number from 50, to 12:43 is a massive move.

I don't know how much of that is local money.

I'll be really clear about that. Dan you?

And I are not on this. Sure.

People heard you, right? It's 52.

One online, 050 not 15 to 17 to 12:43 Chucky Chucky.

I don't, I don't see anything. I don't see anything on the form

that would make you want to bet this horse and I didn't see

anything on the track in the morning.

That would make you want to bet this.

And I don't see anything on the track in the last two races that

would make you one of them know that's what I say.

It's I don't get I don't get how this horse is getting bet this

horse lost to read. Route 1 and King Russell.

I don't have to racist. Yeah, all right.

I don't get it. I don't get it.

His last good race was the Sham. I do not want to take away from

the Sham. That generally is a good

predictor of good, California horses.

But since the, you know, who didn't run that race is a horse

named practice, move. Correct.

And so, he did not go against the best of California Manner.

And here was not in that race Skinner was not in that race.

I am going to agree with Dan that he's not part of the

equation. Lost of Fort.

Bragg is a two-year-old look. These are these are things there

or Bragg is in the in the pad a mile.

That's all you need to know, right?

Yeah so I think we're all the same we're going to we're going

to toss the seven reincarnate which this will be energy.

Occasion. Because we're going to get to

the eight horse maze 12:45, Javier Castellano board, Gustavo

Delgado is the trainer here for the good magic.

We have made a lot of good Alpha jokes about being a small state.

Yes. I feel really good for Gustavo

the Scotto because only how you 41 starters this year Dan and

he's got a starter at owns the horse and he's in the derby with

Mage. That's a cool story.

Yes, it's a very, very cool store story and I think I'm a

lot higher on this horse. That you two.

Alright, he got a bad break, he didn't come out of the gate

smoothly in the Florida Derby. He made a huge move around the

turn way. Premature got got in front of

forte, past Forte on the turn and they hit 40.

I know you can only hit a horse six times but man they were

heels and elbows and whips and everything to get Forte to catch

this horse in. His third start, I'm higher on

Mage than you two are part of that is because base had a much

better post positions all going through that turn than than

Forte did. Right?

I mean, I think that's part of it even though I know he got out

of the gate slowly. Here's the thing I worry about

here, okay, I get Luis saez in Florida, I get Javier Castellano

here. If Louise on this horse, I feel

very differently. I'll be very clear.

I think that Javier Castellano was not capable of piloting, a

horse like this and to the winning tuck and the only time

Javier Castellano wrote. The stories that came in fourth

is the only time they miss the board Forte.

Rocky Canton, psycho Mischief, all head of them.

I do not want to hold that against him because I do think

horse going going to terms of the first time I think he while

he's losses by 6 and 3/4 length my senses he only loses cycle on

this trip by one length. He's actually in the group

there. I'm not going to hold that part

of it against him but I trust lose size considerably more

Churchill Downs and I do have your Castle.

All right, remember the nine horses, you know?

Do you know Castellanos one of his many Derbies as we have?

I'm up, look, I'm waiting for Derby. 150.

I'm going to cut weight. Hit the sauna with the trash

bags. Gonna have your logo.

There you go. Alright.

The the track is filling up with people here.

Still love it. Love the bus.

Mike. I told Louis, I told Louis

earlier, when I come to the derby, I come early.

Yeah. And I'm not going to miss a

thing. I always when I come to the

derby I always come early. There were more people.

I walked in right after 9:00 there were more people Coming

into the race track at 9:00 in the morning that I have ever

seen ever. I don't know how many people are

going to have here today, but it's going to be a bunch.

I guarantee I guarantee you that it's kind of a weird weather day

where, you know, the rain chances are really, really low.

It's a good comfortable temperature.

We got a nice breeze. The sun's not beating on you out

there because it's been, it's a cloudy, you know, it's almost

like the perfect scenario. Yeah, I know, it's grab

beautiful day, beautiful day bottled up.

Let's hope for any better. My daughter's in the Field.

Should I be worried about her? Yeah I should be worried about.

She was that guy from the distillers.

Yeah. She's not the one running across

the outlet, the toilets. No for dupatta.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know I, you know, I'm waiting for the

phone call. I guess it's like make sure I

can get to the infield. If I gotta get your guys, we got

Sweeney put on some headphones and all the hair.

No, I didn't want to get on the air.

I was just putting on so I could hear about 30 seconds behind you

on the street, right. You guys want him walking.

Or were they just swearing in people?

They did this last year didn't really what they do whatever

you're doing. Yeah.

Where they're actually we did miss it there.

A couple cool move things happen here, right?

Yep. This is which one.

Sorry, go ahead. I'm gonna talk about yesterday.

Okay, I was gonna say today, they do two events.

The first one is people become Citizens, United States and

every day at Churchill Downs. Very cool.

Dan. You can probably speak to that.

Yeah, very cool. All right.

What did you become a citizen of the Churchill Downs?

No, the second one is what is the dead fish?

What a dead fish you through a danis.

I know. I know you do a dead fish,

right? Was hoping and I'm one of those

rare people that comes to Churchill Downs today.

Today to watch horses race. I'm one of the I realize I'm one

of the more important than people becoming one of the few

And then the other thing that happens is I think like 20, 25

people join the Army today. Oh, yeah.

Right. That enlisted a.

And so that's the other thing that happens every Derby Day.

The other thing that happens, Dan is, I've always blown away,

we're here early, we hear that. We're here for the Pledge of

Allegiance or SUV for the I9 National Title.

Three times a day, right? But for the early 1080p people

who are ear early are in full salute because they're veterans

and your are mine, didn't get sake.

Just how many freakin veterans are running.

Absolutely. And just Stan.

Thank you, everyone. That's on that.

And no shortage of that here. The cool moment I was going to

get to was yesterday during the survivors parade.

Rachel platten, who sings the song Fight Song recording

artist? Sings that fight song?

It's great. It's a good song.

You actually would like this song.

It's not a it's not a hip-hop song and she was singing a live

here man. And it was like, oh, she's at

the last of the, The Anthem said a.

Yeah, it was a fantastic. So you miss that Thunder?

Yeah, I did too many cigars. Yeah.

Well, I'm with you since 1257, we're going to go to break.

Yep. You want to tell the people what

you're doing? Instead of hanging out with us

her weight. By the way, can I interject?

Of course, Dan is still being allergic to sink to smoke.

I mean, essentially, the oh, I don't have, I have no trouble

with cigarette smoke. It's just enjoy Pipe smoke, but

if somebody lights up a cigar within 50 yards from here, I

taste it. And I tasted the more I smell.

What's bad luck about that? He loves horse racing.

That's right. Yeah.

I mean, they're synonymous that's why let's go.

A terrible, what? A terrible kind of ballsy

things. Like why couldn't it be green

bean? Why couldn't it be just anything

else grapes for the leather of a basketball and cigar smoke?

Dennis will put the, I mean you put a lot of that that is a bad

drawing. You pulled a lot of right cards

in your life but that's a cruddy one.

I think it does need to be said, it's kind of cruddy.

It's super credit. All right, we're gonna go break.

That's why I love skiing. And we'll be right back and

we'll talk about the 6 race. This is the horse racing happy

hour.