Look Back at the Derby & Look Forward to Preakness

Alright, welcome to another episode of the horse-racing

happy hour Louis. We want to reset a little bit

doughy. The week after Derby always

needs a reset Michael. I agree.

We kind of want to make sure that we stay connected with what

we're all about. And so for our listeners, number

one thing I think we're all about is making horse racing fun

and approachable like that is if we had a mission statement I

think that would be it, right? We make horse racing fun and

approachable and we hope You win a little money along the way.

Sure that thing that's perfect. So you know we kind of got away

from our drinking games from making it fun talking about some

of the other issues. Sure, we're always going to

handicap there, there's going to be a handicap part of it, but we

got to thinking I do those roots, I agree.

I think we gotta remind people that we are look, look, people.

This is this is a show but it's a drinking game as well and we

have some rules on this show. We have some rules on the show.

People need to be aware of. All right, first rule to show.

Mike is what first rule the show.

We're going to go the dad joke, I'm gonna drink a beer.

That was not one, you had on your sheet, it is not yet.

So, we're gonna drink after course.

Anytime there's a dad joke, Zach will put the dad joke, hashtag

on the screen. He's not ready right now, so

he's shaking his head at me. So they'll be the dad joke thing

and of course that's a drink Okay.

All right. So, what's next one?

I think anytime there's a humble brag.

Anytime someone brags about something.

There it is, everybody. Here's the dad jokes, tragic,

and humble brag, and drank drank.

I think another one, if I mention a king Guillermo sure a

field pass or another horse, that wasn't great, but that if

there's even have fun as well as muscle, that's a good name.

And we, I think that, if you, if there's needless parchment,

yeah, have to drink of anything. You have a Of a trainer of a

track of a city that we're about to visit.

What's up? Baltimore has dispersement from

me saying that wet paint would have to fall down the whole

field and and I said me, she had no shot at winning.

So, yeah. And again, if we think a horse,

is the class of the race that that horse is going to Rio

stretch out, season all, that's it.

Mmm-mmm-mmm talking about Peter Pan this weekend to it.

Stretch house, isn't it? New York.

When I tell you what? Oh Peter Pan not like the kind

that you use for your dog. But you know, I don't erase I

use gif. Then of course, if anyone says

classical class, if you think there's a horse that's heading

head and Tails above lengths ahead, Dan links ahead is Dan

would say on our show, if he's like, said Mike, then we'll go

with a classical class and Drake.

So anytime you hear those things go ahead and drink.

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I have a decent bourbon collection but I don't

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So we will be the little simulcast with ESPN radio.

So yeah. We good great stuff there,

appreciate them. By the way they made, they

carved out a 90 minutes for us on Preakness day and so that was

not on the schedule and program director over there or guy Andy.

Make sure that happens. We really appreciate Daniel, be

sitting in, with us for those shows from Denver, and so,

that'll be fun as well. What I mean, what would they

played? Otherwise, like college

baseball. No at 11:00 on Saturday is ESPN

national, okay? So yeah.

Oh, it's terrible. Yeah, it's like Riri recapping

the NFL draft, and that Matt Jones, usually, too.

Sounds like yeah. Yeah, yeah.

It doesn't matter. Yes.

Well, I do think we need to have some Derby weekend.

Takeaways, I think we saw some really great performances from

great horses outside of the Derby in the Oaks, but we always

do Caravelle, still in her grade form.

We saw Cody's wish bounce back like he hadn't taken any time

off. Like, great really great.

Both of those sprinters going to be a problem all year, do we

think? Which could turn into Al this

year. Matali might be a little bit of

stretch especially since you know I think spring we're

talking five straight hundred-plus Beyer speed

figures. That's true.

Well I mean he's flying and he's a sprinter on that front too,

so. But I think we're going to, you

know, he's headed for another close award, you know, I think

that's right. That's it seems good and help

you'll go through and you'll get to the Breeders Cup and we'll

see what he does on California. And you know who else do you

like in that Springer glass really, you know, compared to

him, right? I don't.

Yeah. We had and we had major

sprinters retired last year, right?

So that class really opened up as far as Cody's wishing a bunch

of dudes if we're talking about, that's pretty classy.

So I do think, you know, with him in most of his races Class

Clown class. Yeah it's one of the things

actually. I was thinking about.

Yeah, and I'll drink for you. You just making sure that Zach

not Stone up. Is the GBC.

All right, mr. Zack alone.

So it was one of the things actually.

I was thinking about today, as I was doing, you know, getting set

up for the show. I was like, just kind of going

back and look at those what we vote on for the eclipse Awards

and just kind of taken those races that fit that mold and

just let the credit, you know, just start separating them out.

Like, hey, here's our spring races or major spring races all

that kind of stuff and just paying attention to it that way

and and then you know, hopefully having a little bit more idea on

the rankings. When so, when it comes time to

vote, we're prepared for it. So instead of having Hoosier

Philly as Champion two-year-old Philly wagon will didn't age.

Well either she was good, she was gonna be talking about.

What is your feeling? Yeah, those Wagon Wheel.

They're just terrible through three rolls, right?

I mean, it is what it is, but you're voting for two-year-old

not for what they're going to do in this airing very true.

It's not like a preseason poll. That's right.

I would say, you know, the takeaways for me from the two

big races on the weekend, 30 braces.

That was a crappy, Oaks the fields terrible.

It's not good, what? We finally have a bad class of

Phillies, right? Matter is I'm gonna if she can

In use on with her, you know. Brilliant.

Well, she's for so she's actually the older spreads on

saying but I don't like the distaff, the older going into

that British guy Simon sheet, that's hard to lose.

And so I that group is not great and then I do think we're lucky

that we still have you know, secret Oaths and some of those

other horses are sticking around.

How does that mean a pretty mischievous?

Can't win a bunch of races I think she can ab sure.

Yeah and then I do think we have at least a couple red

carpet-ready other horses in that group that in the acorn can

be really interesting in a mile right over the one turn.

But I don't know why you wouldn't go ahead and turn her

back. You know if your Brendon Walsh

cool runner in the acorn I think she'll be totally fine with that

company. Yeah yeah Acorn and actually you

know we'll see what that I really hope we get chain skip

therefore that day. Yeah we're gonna yeah.

You know, and I gotta admit, we worked your tail off for a lot

of that stuff for Forte, okay? And it was, it was just

disappointing for me to have him scratch out.

Well, talk about, I mean, was it was just disappointing for him

to scratch and all right. I want I want to bring something

to the show. Yeah, I think the allowing the

state Steward to do. The scratch is as bad, a mistake

as Donovan, McNabb a couple years ago, not knowing that NFL

games can end in ties, like not knowing that rule and asking for

clarification when your Todd freaking pledge or the day after

means that you didn't do your homework.

And you did not know the rule, because if you scratch that

horse, 10 seconds before the state Stewart says something,

you're on an in the Preakness and then you're running in the

Belmont and they blew both of those races.

And I want to be really clear about how He's out for 14 days

from training, he has to pass a blood test and have a good

workout before we can do anything in the blood.

Test takes 7 to 10 days to come back.

We are talking about a 20-day buffer that is a full week after

the Preakness and then you want that horse to turn around and

run a mile and a half. It ain't happening.

Well that's a good taken. Especially like we're seeing

that like we're seeing like whether or not we're going to

see some of the other scratched horses kind of come back right

away. And because usually when you

have a type of tracers going to run forever in the Belmont and

an angel of Empire that I mean I just I I think they've set

themselves up for a massive failure.

A because if this horse, think about it, he wins for grade ones

coming at. I know he got dq'd out of once.

He's down to three. If he comes in wins the

Preakness wins a classic race, even if he doesn't win, the

Belmont that changes his breeding forever man.

Yeah, it really does. Because then you've seen okay,

two-year-old Champion. He was great.

Then comes back wins a classic race in the spring.

This to me is a catastrophic error on the, on the part of my

pleasure. And frankly, at that point you

got to go to your owner and say, dude, you got to back off here.

You got to, let me make The decision here.

You need to trust me as the trainer as the game planner, but

he didn't know the game plan. No.

And I think we actually started what the buzz that we heard

that, we heard that they were going to scratch him on

Thursday. Yes.

And then we started hearing Buzz about the Stewart's potentially,

scratching him late Friday, right?

Does that sound right to you? Yep.

So it was not a surprise that don't think to anybody that

pleasure should have known that that was on the possibility list

and yeah, you're exactly right. I mean, it shocks me how little

when it comes to those. Of things, whether it's

substance is or whatever else. And I know that the drugs can

matter from track to track but this is the Lions deferring it

over time because they want the wind at Soldier Field.

There you go. It's that bad, man.

This is a terrible. I mean, it is a legitimately a

legitimately terrible long-term decision for this horse.

I'm good Horseman by the way, of course by people that are a

Horseman and a great owner. Yeah, very few people, don't

more money into the game than micro pulley.

He cares in a very serious way. Now, the only thing I'll say is

He's a New Yorker. One went 1-2 in the Belmont with

his horses last year would not be surprised if they try to

figure it out. But boy, you're putting that

horse in a tough spot, man, that kind of layoffs.

And I don't know that part actually bothers me a little

bit. I don't know where you could run

them after that, though. Well, the same time, you know,

it's because you want to hit America at least when the

Traverse then right. Is the idea.

It is the Kentucky Horse Racing commission, that sets the

suspension, the Maryland, Jockey Club.

And and naira have to choose the whether or not they want to most

the time they do. They almost always over honor.

Yes, you know, it's where they normally honored but they don't

have to honor the suspension, you're right.

But as you said, usually they do so I think that's what's gonna

happen here. So it'll be interesting to see

but yeah, I mean, it took a little I'm done.

I'm gonna be real honest. It took a lot of the windows

sales for me. I didn't I didn't have a, I

didn't enjoy things as much, and I did two things wrong.

The first thing is, I never got over the fort a scratch as far

as my handicapping. Sure.

Sure, I never adjusted it. The second thing I didn't do is

use the only horse in the race from the Florida Derby.

The best predictor for success of the Kentucky Derby.

What are we doing? Yep, there's a terrible Choice

by me. Terrible mistake.

And so I know I look Looking Back Now.

For me that those are bad gaps and those should never happen

when what I talk about these things all the time and then I

don't follow through on them as just Onyx.

I want to just look at the pace though because I think one of

the things that was kind of crazy for me is for the second

straight year. I did not think we had a rabbit

in this race. Sure.

You know is reincarnate. Going to turn into a great one

turned with me. I mean, who knows?

I mean did we not see a bunch of horses in this race that

probably should have been in the past, a mile?

Yeah. Or even Seven, seven furlongs

races, you know? I mean Cyclone Mischief is in

fifth place. One, two, three, four, five,

six. He's in sixth place at the

quarter mile pole, they go 22 and to man.

Yep. And that is, I mean, I mean, get

a Turf Sprint that's fast. Verifying was up front all the

way to the third, 3/4 of a mile. Yep.

You know, you had so verifying up their kings Barnes was up

there. We can, Carney was up there.

It's to Phil's was the only one that was able to stay up, you

know, basically be upfront, stay up front, you know, it's gonna

be interesting to see how many milers how many how Who joins

Cody wish maybe in that, in that Sprint.

Mmm, does pulls the Whitmore, you know, sure because those

crazy fractions also helped Masia time a jewess 16th.

And then, you know, started making his move around us to

say, man, that's not how you want to win the Derby.

That's not a winning running style and Irving.

What was before the point system, it was the way you want

to do before. The point system was in place.

We're going back to something like that.

It's crazy. It is, it is, it is, it is still

just shocking to me. Again, before John Asher, passed

away, you could basically look at certain Trends and you knew

that the person the horse had to be a stalker had didn't

necessarily to go wire to wire, but had probably had to be in

the top four top five had to, you know, win, 100 Point Race be

undefeated, a three-year-old like all these things happened

and the favored. One the favored one, the favored

one, the fair one ever since the racists been just different.

I don't know if trainers have figured out how to steal points

and get horses in the field, you know, obviously.

Now that we're going out to fifth place that changes things

to. It's it's just it's different.

The only thing that is now held true for a massive majority of

derbies is you want to be in first or second at the eighth

pole and major was in second place at the eighth pole.

Yeah. And then did the passing right

there? And that was, that was all she

wrote. And by the way to feels is,

first of all, right? Yes, yes.

And the to them finish 12, that's a, that's a sign, right?

Okay, by the way, just pet me. Derby pick win.

Place show. That's what we've learned about

this show and I'll admit. Now, I got to take the Jeff

Ruby's as a serious freaking prep race to filtering great.

Look, all code, horse is a great horse, a really good horse, and

he's gonna win some races and somebody's gonna pick some stuff

off, kind of the way that, you know, mid-majors can compete in

the NCAA now because they can get players, they couldn't get

before. Yep.

Like these, all seven are cases Series race man, right?

Well, I'm not, it's not that, it's just that it's still.

When you look at the track, the track is a mid-major track,

right? Sure, sure.

Four horseshoes. A mid-major track, all those

things. Are we Of horseshoe.

We, you know that Rachel but at the end of the day like we're

seeing horses, get started out there or even when prep races

out there and it's it's kind of cool to see you know you don't

know. They don't have to follow those

traditional routes. So I'm looking up right now.

If the Stephen Foster is 3 and up or if it's 44 and up only I'm

a I am worried that we're not going to see Mage not seen for

what. Oh I hope Mage.

I hope mage If you, if he wins the Preakness and goes on to the

Belmont, I hope we don't pull another justify.

But only reasons a three-year-old, the stress on

the bone. So Mage.

Yeah. Oh, absolutely.

And that we don't see that horse again after the Belmont.

I'd love to see how this horse continues to mature.

I think we can see a great horse in the fall and you know, and if

you listen to my interview yesterday with dr.

Burrows has. He talked about that?

Very popular by the way already today.

It is thousands of downloads. Yeah.

Awesome, dr. Rosen who's going to be a friend

of the show? And I think we're going to have

on several times just a wealth of knowledge.

Knowledge has been around horses.

Like I said he worked on freaking Secretariat, right.

He was with Swale who surprised by the way?

Obama were humblebrag going for Greg broseph.

Yeah and not for me but but the thing I love about it and this

is the kind of a cool story. He didn't tell him it on the

show but my favorite Derby horse is Hulu.

And you know, if you remember Winning Colors charismatic.

Okay? My clothes.

Yeah, you know, 8899 kind of thing.

So, charismatic breaks his leg in the Belmont and dr.

Burrows, actually just happened to be there on the rail, he was

the first person first vet to get to, to get to charismatic

and so it's kind of cool. So, yeah, you know, he talked

about it a lot about how important it is for those horses

to kind of get that stress on those bones to strengthen those

bones so that they can do, In. It's it's going to be one of

those things. I mean, he, he actually

considers a lot of that changing of the surfaces is a big one.

As far as while we're seeing some of these horse realities, I

will say, I think they've done totally right by Mage and the

fact that they're waiting until tomorrow to even make a decision

on shipping to Baltimore. I think shows that they have

that horses, do very active, Churchill Downs.

This afternoon, he'll be out there tomorrow again and I think

you'll get a very definitive answer from them that he'll

leave here. Sunday in the in the so weird to

say now. But they're driving them to

Baltimore because there's no, there's no horsey Express

anymore. And so he'll take that truck

down the road just like you and I will next week, but it's a

pretty dry by the way, I'm not mad about.

I love that drive so she got that gas mileage.

I'm not mad about other news, just to kind of hit on real

quick. The Breeders Cup announce their

winning. You're into British a challenge.

So, the Derby we get the point system.

To determine who the field is right there.

Breeders Cup has has always Winning your in races which I

think makes the sport just stupid.

Interesting for people trying to figure out who's going to raise

some reasonable. I love the Breeders Cup

challenge to yeah. Especially since, you know it

brings in, so they've done a very good job of branching, out

to Japan chili, lots of different places where you

actually have to pay attention, obviously a bunch of European

races. You'll have things like the

Shoemaker mile, but the sudha Keenan.

What I love is Breeders Cup to me is as Forward Thinking An

entity as we have in horse racing because they include

these these groups. So, like, you know, we watch the

Japanese flying to say and I need a couple years ago and just

smack people around about Breeders Cup Classic.

They might see it again and we might see it again this year Del

Mar and so I'm I'm liking how much they are not just focused

on North American European racing but also looking West to

Japan and trying to figure out or very East.

Well, well, you're right mean, they'll first one on the on the

list is To the first three are Japanese right Victoria miles on

May 14th. The Shoemaker Mi seen Anita and

then you the you get the yesterday just sudha Kenan.

Yes. But then you get the one in

Santiago right there. So yeah that's all I mean I

think you're exactly right there.

Taking it out there. Trying to get the world's best

in the Breeders Cup. The your they're having a llama

qualifiers, it's fantastic thing.

My parents have been all over South America so for our tenth

anniversary, 20th anniversary of the summer for for the planet,

me. 10th our tenth anniversary, went to Machu Picchu because she

always wanted to go. Okay, so what to Peru?

It's really the only place I've been in South America.

Very, I love. It was great.

My dad and mom went to Santiago Santiago de Chile.

So that's like the most modern amazing City they've ever been

to, huh? So apparently we need to go to a

clue. Be Pico de Santiago, I go watch

the gone. Premier Cru Pico Falabella, let

me know that I just realized that the Belmont Stakes is on my

anniversary. So we might have to have will

take the ladies with us. Yeah, we might.

Hey honey. We're going to New York for our

anniversary. Yeah, I can't hang out with you

on our anniversary for 10 hours. It is funny to watch Churchill

the like the Thursday after Derby.

The Way back when there's it was a nice crowd.

Is probably sure people there, whatever but they're all like

one section. Do you like the Twilight racing

on Thursdays? I do.

I do too. I think they say what you will

about Churchill but they figured out how to you know really make

horse racing accessible and some other day.

Anyway 12:30 on Thursday, there would not be 5,000 people there.

Absolutely not. But they literally five times

many people you get done with work and you can head over

there. You can they usually really good

beer specials and you know, there's worse days.

It's been Thursday evening. Yes for so I'll be there

tomorrow, we pick three. Yeah, every Friday that they're

open. Yeah, they show gets out at

noon. I love it.

I have my past. Excuse me.

I'm covering the races. Sorry Darrow's.

All right, so do but to answer your question, yeah, put a bow

on this part of the show. The winning is awesome.

Yeah, it's not hated you finished fifth in Japan now.

Did you win in Japan? So, you get a bunch of horses

that are winners. I love that about the Breeders

Cup. I think it's a great sister.

I would actually like to see Churchill move to maybe the

50-point races be, and they basically are winning or in,

right? We know that but we were pretty

close to having, you know, 45 points, almost didn't get you in

the Derby. This year, I would have liked to

say, you know what, it's not 50 points.

If you win the rebel, it's an actual winning.

If you're in your you, in the restaurant and guaranteed spot

in the gate, no doubt about your in the race.

What do you think about that ahead with 50 with a rebel?

Now, I'm not into that. You has to be one of the

Confidence Game skipped. All those races.

Because he knew he was in King Guillermo skipped all those

races because re cousin, I don't, I don't think that's a

way to. We need the fields.

We need the interest in those races.

We do the field size to do. You want to bet on horses?

Little sanity to special going off right here at Churchill

Downs, and the Club 55 horse-dealing.

You I'm not into that advocated actually giving points to less

horses. Yep, but elevating the number of

points in the earlier, races on the card when I was writing for

sure. Vo.

But I think, Rach. That is a lie.

Yeah, it's pretty good one. Yeah, I got it drinks.

Good job out here. I do with my beer.

With there you go. Mike's a home address is not

correct in the directory for the national tour front.

That's the office address. But you know, it's also

incorrect, right? So don't go to Mike's office.

It's not there. Oh man.

All right, good, but I mean Grant takeaway major worthy,

Kentucky Derby winner, I think absolutely yeah you look good.

I mean I can't take anything away from the horse whatsoever I

I am just intrigued if we're going to see this quick Pace to

start the race becoming more of a trend.

I mean, it was, it was blistering both years to neuro.

Yeah. Two years in a row, which we had

not seen that. I mean, as soon as I was this is

this a whole bread ghosts hanging out next to Lockhart

MacLean during the race. Don't think so, not a homo do.

So when we saw the 22 22 3 opening opening fraction, we

looked at that and you're like, man for a classic race for them

to go back to me, that is That's blistering speed and we kind of

talked about it on the show on Friday like 23 and a half is

kind of like the number. That is kind of the cutoff to

me. It's like 23, 30, 23 .6.

Yeah, is the is the is the Park. Yeah.

And so they wrote more than a full second faster than that and

if s and then even that second fraction they get in 23 just

under 23 for. I mean they were flying so is a

forty five point seven, three on that half mile and man I mean

that's just a lot. To ask for horses.

You have never gone that distance before to try to keep

up with that pace and it set up perfectly for a closer maze.

Took advantage of it. I've not seen the overhead

replay the race of you. Yes.

So I'd love to do you make any rectangular moves and it just

opened up for them or what do you know?

He was just the best horse on Saturday.

Okay, great. I mean, I'm not trying to be

flip. I mean, I really, I think he

just is the best horse in that field and that it gives me hope

that he could be really interesting and in nine days,

and that we're going to go watch I mean I think if he wins his

excuse me, if he runs his that race again, it was pregnant.

Yeah. This feels not it's not terrible

but it's not nearly what the field is the modern Preakness

field. Exactly.

Yeah. So I mean I think it's a it's

definitely something where he could go and get it done.

All right. So so you want let's talk real

quick Preakness. Yep.

Who's going to be going from the we know so far from the Derby.

Yeah. So horses that we've seen at

least disarm is on his way which is interesting.

Because you ran three weeks before the Derby.

Now, he's going to run two weeks after the Derby going old

school. That is old school as bleep and

that isn't as muhsin. Yeah.

Right about one another as muhsin, but it's a lot of

drinking, it's a lot. There's a lot of drinking and

then the winner of Oakland's bathhouse is right about one.

He'll be in there and then Derby.

Runner-up to Phil's is also a possible for Larry of Ellie.

Do you think he runs No, I'd I think that horse it could very

well be a problem in the bone and the Belmont.

Yeah, he lived like you want to keep going, right?

So I don't think he does but the the interesting thing is that

there's some Rumblings that Julia shining my try to bring

this field or that a DeRosa wrote an article.

Okay. So you think there's nothing to

it was that needless Misfortune. Yeah, probably was listen.

Shouldn't she just run the black-eyed?

Susan, I'm afraid to. I'm just really happy that after

years and years of awkward interactions between us.

The ball out. Like, I actually converse with

that, DeRosa on, multiple occasions, this weekend, to me.

That's a win. Did you shine his head?

I did not show his head, just shine my head.

I think the awkwardness between us for whatever for whatever

reason. It's basically there because

he's awkward, I think, but I think we made up hatred.

That's why you think that's what it was.

Yeah. It could have been it.

It was what he was working at church.

A lot of care about about that hrn like that's flatter.

Yeah, whatever had it. But yeah, I think that's going

to be the interesting thing to see, you know, we're going to

see blazing sevens, come back, I guess that's a legit person.

First mission one, the Lexington is going to be in this race and

I think I'll favorite for a lot of people.

Okay. Right.

Brad Cox wins Lexington makes that run up the rail against the

baffert and Arabian lion. Right wins one of the Derby

preps. I get it.

It's 20 pointer but wins the Derby prep, right?

And that's what you want from a three-year-old is a quart of

object coming back with National Treasure.

Which I Yeah, you think he's not a distance horse?

Yeah, I don't, I don't think he's a distant Source, I mean,

but we'll see. I think he's, I mean, he's the

one turn milder all day long. Okay.

Yeah, I'm gonna listen, you know, the the horse that won the

tie that SEO is a good magic. Mages, a good magic.

Okay, you know, maybe we'll get a little performance out of

perform the interesting day. 83, the last Deputy testimony last

winter of at SEO and the Preakness it's been 40 years.

Can we get one? On the 40th anniversary.

You know, it's pretty cool because you and I actually even

really just parchment. Even though we before he started

knowing, you know, about Mason jar, we knew a little bit about

lazy 7/7. We had this discussion about how

good of a sire good. Good magic is showing to be

early in his early, his stud career, right?

So it reminds me, actually, the early returns here, remind me of

the first year of the Gun Runner's or we like, oh we knew

he was going to be good, but good.

Gosh, I mean even better than we thought it feels like that a

little bit with good magic. Great Confidence Game for the

Derby. Yep.

Coming back. Our boy.

Kevin thought that he was going to be a big.

Kevin Conroy was going to be a big player in the deer and 10th.

Are you like me that if a horse runs 10th in the derby?

You think of that as like a second or third in like an eight

horse field? Yeah, I think there's no,

there's no shame in running 10th in the dirt.

I agree. Yeah.

I mean yeah there's no shame. It's stunning.

How many great horses did not win the Derby right, right?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

So National Treasure, you mentioned blazing.

Sevens is coming in for Chad Brown.

I think that's isil's favorite for this race magic.

Yep and henrique. You have you followed this horse

at all? I'm not he's not on my list.

So okay, so Henry Q is an interesting horse because he is

coming out of as I go to Aquabase Aquabase.com, he's a

blame and a Malibu other side, came out of the Sunland, Park

Derby in, one, the mine that bird Derby.

At Sunland Park. So he's one of these new

Shooters with a lot that we don't know about him.

He switched to the Doug O'Neill bar.

Okay, and my Columbus is on the show, by the way, from blind

squirrel, shout out to him. Thanks for joining the show.

He lost a low expectations, do you remember outside it like

that had the Lowered Expectations at what was that?

Not the best? Was that I think that's like

five or was? It was it was I think it was a

producer Zach. The answer to this.

Go ahead and jump in but like Lowered Expectations.

No, no on a polluted river under a bridge.

Oh great. So good the but Henry Q flying

in for this one. Just a weird shooter and the

Preakness is a weird race man. It just is and so sometimes you

get these kinds of starters me Rombauer, couple years ago,

Wednesday El Camino, Real dirty, the El Camino.

Real Derby winner is going to shoot out to and I'm forgetting

his name right now hang on. By the way, what about, you

know, we did all this following the road to the Preakness and

all that stuff and the tessio winner, the only one there

that's going to be in the out of that group.

Yes. Okay.

Chase the chaos coming out of Golden Gate Fields, will ship

for the Preakness. Okay, I feel great for that

group. Here's what I'm going to do.

I'm going to needlessly this Merced horse.

I had nine days ahead of the dirt of the, the Preakness, just

wins for sure. Yeah, they tried him in Derby

prep down at Santa Anita didn't work, but they should have that

thing. I don't, that's not a, I'm not

mad at them. It's not going to work out,

okay? It's okay.

And the horse isn't gonna hit the board, and that's okay.

But to get to run your horse in a classic races.

Unbelievable. And so, I feel great for them.

I said the same exact thing about rich Strike last year, so

they go the last horse to win the Preakness in run.

In the Kentucky Derby was in 2019.

War of will. Ya and justify one the year

before that. Yep.

Before that though is cloud computing, you did not race in

the derby. So we've had an early voting

Rombauer, Swiss skydiver, no Derby horses.

Have one in quite a while. Jump on the show for five

seconds. Were you there for the war of

will Preakness with me in 2019? Or were you not at that one?

I wasn't that one hole. No.

No. It wasn't that 2019.

Okay. All right.

Sorry. You are Justified with me, for

sure. Yes.

Yeah. In the fog, that was an all-time

trip. All right.

You can go away. All right.

So the the justify if you, if people don't remember it, go

back and watch how foggy it was man.

The justify pretty big. I'm good.

Yeah, it was a great. You couldn't.

I mean there's no reason watch TV.

You couldn't see anything well and calmest, go back and listen

to The Columns call and the day of rabbinic all, is it like Try

to fill time because I can't see them.

They can't see anything. They're like, I guess they ran

that in 48 and shades. Like they have no ideas.

It's just all Alzheimer, but literally we I was with a group

of friends, I done the show and we're just past the finish line

by about 100 seats. And we can't see anything.

Can't see, anything, can't see anything and then a group of

five horses, just explodes out of a cloud.

Kind of cool just to find the front and everyone's catching

up. I mean everyone's catching up

and he wins by like a neck and any time someone tells me he's

not a worthy. Triple Crown winner.

I say that's because you weren't at Pimlico.

Yeah, 2018 because that was an unbelievably be here.

Dewayne Lucas. Yeah, it was just, it was a

Lucas. What was the horse in a bottle?

Yeah. Oh, Lucas talk so much bleep to.

It was such a great race. I don't, I don't know that under

better conditions that we don't get the same thing, but Lucas

was so confident. I really appreciated that

actually, the other thing is I was there for the Pharaoh

Preakness and it down poured for like five minutes before the

race and they weighed the jockey afterward.

He weighed 20 pounds over crazy and they comes back in the

Belmont. Like no big deal because he's

pharaoh. I'll tell you that's going back

to that Derby. You know, since we brought me

when Lucas one of the coolest things that Derby week for me

was being nice and exceed, oh, sure.

It was freaking awesome. He was great, he was great.

So, all right, let's a bunch of great guests last week too.

And thanks to all of them because, I mean, it was just a

tremendous for. I mean, like, when the, when the

one of the lead writer for Sports Illustrated like, yeah,

I'm just trying for the beginning.

Yeah, of course. No problem.

No problem. Let's go.

Yeah, I think we're not Facebook friends.

Actually. Really, huh?

So there you go. We're going to move on to the

handicapping session of the show.

Me and Pat, 40 hanging on Facebook.

All right, so by the way, I have a sequence in the green sheet on

Saturday, it is at Churchill Downs.

We are now going to talk about Belmont on the other hand,

retracing.com, five bucks, or Saturday, Manowar Stakes.

We're going to start right now 600,000 our race.

They give mrs. Belmont the inner Turf course

Mound. 3/8 a one of those route route route Turf course races

for four year olds and up we go. It's um really.

You know we got we're going to heavy favor here with a

two-horse, a great Point. Yep.

But I think a very worthy Contender and red and white as

well. Sure.

Who do you do, where did you settle it on this one blue?

So the horse that's going to get overlooked here is verstappen

who just won the Elkhorn at Keeneland going to mile and a

half and that horse. It needs to be remembered.

If they ran the that race. At this distance, he would have

won and then they ran it in a mile-and-a-half anyone.

Anyway, okay, so he won the race twice.

If we run it at the different distances as far as I'm The

running him at Turf way before that and he was fine on the

synthetic but he got to the Keeneland grass and he was

great, he's never run a Belmont but this is a horse that's 1/3

of his last eight races and we're talking about,

everything's in the kind of company that you want to see

steps integrated company for the first time last time out and he

wins that race. I love the fact that he did that

you keep Declan Cannon. Here, what's different here is

deck eidos, the course a little bit of Belmont hasn't been up

there this year but he does actually know it.

He's hitting it. A sneaky 12% once in a while you

see a jockey percentage and you think, oh, Tom Percent.

That's what a lot of crappy horses and a lot of crappy races

to be very honest about Declan. He usually doesn't get a horse

of this quality. The for verstappen I think has a

shot here but you're right. The horse that I love in this

race is Red Knight. The one, he's three seconds in

five finishes at the distance but he picks up irad here, man.

Last time they were together, they won.

Yes, it was at a mile and a half.

I get it but I think that Iran is going to know the course.

He's going to know what to make the move.

Right night is totally capable. How awesome we talk about fall

in love with the Phillies Man, the long-distance geldings.

Yeah can be that for us to. I've got to see Red Knight and

so many great race has really made my summer last year in the

turf cup at Kentucky Downs in September so it's really fun,

watching him race. So look for him tomorrow.

Excuse me on Saturday, as well. I don't think you can leave more

important point out of your tickets.

I think he's absolutely got a shot here.

Read really well on the Arabian, Peninsula.

And what I love about this horse breaks, his Maiden going, I got

to get this right, going, a straight line run.

Then goes left handed and winds. And then later goes, right

handed in wins. And now he's coming over here to

run left-handed. That's just a talented horse.

That's all that is you get Frankie to Tori here.

You get Charlie Appleby Charlie Appleby his last nine Runners.

Four of them have one on their first try in North America.

Obviously, one of my favorite stories from Derby.

By the way, Louis, it was, you know, we're, we're, our media

boxes is right next to the normal commoners, who get to sit

next to us and lots of times, there's out-of-towners it seems

like More out-of-towners at Derby.

Now, our media desk is literally one bar away from a box from a

box. That's right.

So, I had this, you know, group of Fairly attractive, you know,

mid-shift your women hitting on me the whole time.

And then I notice that I don't know, get out of the way for

you. Yeah.

I mean it's called being a friend.

You could have been a wingman, you know.

But you know, it's all right. Yeah.

I'm not that kind of good and then over but then one of the

guys on Saturday says hey why is their Turf racing was there dirt

racing and luckily I knew the answer and a damn fine question.

By the way, it is greats, like why is their Turf?

And I said, well, they said Chicago, where they're from?

They the Chicago people was the Elvis and all those guys.

Okay, yeah I can't remember where those guys were from

honestly. But you know I said well

basically when you know it was it's it's Turf racing over in

England and they they turn right?

Correct. And so what gives if you want?

Yeah, well, they did over here is they said hey Fu England.

We're going to put you on dirt and turn left and that's the

true story. That's why there's dirt racing

and then they added Turf racing a little bit later.

So here in America. So that's that's the story, all

right. So anything else to say about

the man-of-war Stakes? Just I mean, just a fun.

It's interesting because this is only two weeks after we had, you

know the the wood for the old Forester Turf here, right?

So we still we still see a really good group of turf horses

here, going to turns. And so I it gives me a little

hope that we're going to have a bunch of Great to turn Turf

horses, Turf races, excuse me. This summer Manowar, of course

one in 1921 the Preakness and the Belmont but could not win

the Kentucky Derby. So two legs of the Triple Crown

but could not win it when you did not did not did not win it

so I guess he was capable. I mean man towards a pretty good

look pretty good horse you know he has legs does he does he's

alright yeah alright we're going to move on to the great three

Peter Pan Am on 8th on the dirt for three-year-olds Louis.

He was you're picking so we have a potential new shooter so we

did the road to the Preakness shows.

We talked about the tessio the Peter Pan.

Is the tessio of the New York circuit.

Okay? Okay, so this is the hats.

According to my Columbus, that made you attracted to the women.

Is that current could have been. If I will say, Bishops, Bay is

in this race. The nine and this is a brad Cox

entry who's Running a Fairgrounds and you mentioned

something earlier in the show Mike which is that we need to

change our mindset about where horses come from that could be

great. Yep.

Because we are in a an interesting spot in horse racing

right now. We are in contraction so we're

going to have fewer tracks. We're going to have fewer, Mega

trainers. We have more bears stadiums.

But we are going to see that those people have to spread

their horses around so that they can win for their ownership.

Okay. So you mentioned horseshoe

Indianapolis that's a spot for Brad Cox it was it there right?

He uses allspark yeah uses Turfway uses fairgrounds right.

He's all over the place because he has to be his barn.

So big, right? So what we're seeing is the

assistant trainer is the new small trainer.

And so in this case Bishops Bay coming out of Uncle and I'll

come O Pioneer, the nylon, the bottom ninety seven speed figure

breaking his heavy favorite in this race at 4:52 never run.

Without Lasix. Yeah, we're going to one turn

Mile and an eighth because you can do that at Belmont.

Do you know why you can do that at Velma?

Because the track is ginormous because a mile and an eighth or

mile and a half is the normal track.

So you have to have all the other options available right

there. Huh.

I'll have to come out of the shoot there.

He's interesting, and I think he's probably the play.

I think, if you want to make money, you have to try to beat

that horse. Okay.

They got your, your boy henrique Ulysses entry in this race.

You think he's gonna scratch? No, I think he's gonna run.

So no to the prettiest tree. I think he's no to the

Preakness. I think he's going to run about,

okay? And so this is where I think

Doug O'Neill, Lance. I think he's going to be there.

Frank into Tory's already lined up to drive to ride him.

I think that's where they're going to go.

So classic catch. Ran in the five.

Horse here, gets I read for the second time.

What did they do last time they were together?

Well, they won a race to Churchill.

There's a pretty big Stakes race Patricia.

Yeah. They won at Gulfstream Park in

an optional clever. Oh, you're talking about this

horse? Okay, yeah.

Not just I read with trash like they're together all time.

Running second in the yeah. No, not that.

So, get him back. What's interesting about this is

as run in that in the wood Memorial.

I was really hoping one of the horses and so I was hoping we

would get one of the top four finishers in the wood here, just

a horse that was used to a deeper track on Long Island.

We're talking to get that, unfortunately, but I do think

you get classic catch here. I'm gonna put him on top of the

five 9:00 to 2:00 in the morning line, pleasure.

And I read, I don't think it's an accident that they're here

with this horse classic Empire. On top Malibu, moon on the

bottom 143 this year with a third place.

Finish best speed figure was in the would look at his speed

figures. Last three times out 78, 80 to

85 in a row isn't improving horse.

Already used to being on the deeper track on Long Island

which we're going to find a Belmont.

I think that he's the horse. I'm definitely going to play on

top here, top pleasure. By the way, over seven to start

the Belmont meet before today. Oh yeah.

Or second place finishes just a bit of bad luck, but I read 348

to start the meet at 38%. So I'm not worried about that.

There are some other horses here that I think are interesting.

I'm fascinated that Brad Cox is horse slip.

Mahoney is for 21, and you're getting 922 on classic catch who

he finished behind in the wood Memorial.

Does pick up Joel Rosario. I understand that.

But I would much rather have the five here in classic catch.

So if you wanted to go really short here, I would go 59, I am

fascinated by Henry q and entering that horse here.

Because apparently what I think the dog.

Oh Neal thinks is if he doesn't have to be on the lead which he

has been in previous races or maybe he inherits the lead and

he just does the damn thing. He can be a long distance horse

as well. That's a blame for the Malibu on

the bottom as well. So maybe that's a three-year-old

angle that he's looking for, but I would go five and nine in this

race. All right, we're going to move

on to the Run happy and just because everything's named after

unhappy, right? So, this is actually named

after. This is actually named after

unhappy steaks, I don't think they actually They should

probably have to sponsor this though, right?

They should but run happiest. Don't there's anybody run.

Happy. This is the actual like

run-happy that's actually just run happy.

It's just given to him which is good.

So this is a sorry I lost my train of thought.

Oh you're funny, great, 364 long Sprint on the dirt four year

olds and up hundred seventy five thousand dollar purse and

actually this is the legit pretty decent field for grows

great three for sure. Yeah yes totally like here.

Alright so I'm going to draw A line through a race.

All right, and give you candy man rocket.

The for at 1:53 hated Oak Lawn and I'm not going to hold it

against the horse. Okay has run a Belmont before

ran a second in the Gold Fever which is a list of takes your

behind Barren by a nose. And I mean went back and watch

that Iran's on Baron the to, they're going to take a ton of

money because of that. And and so to be there, they're

very equal horses here. I think the Candy Man rocket

under Junior Alvarado, everyone on the show, whoever listens

knows that I loved you. Alvarado.

And so, I'm gonna use the 4 on top here, 722 on the morning

line. I do think you have to use Baron

here. I think that you could draw a

line through his last race. A twisted, right is in here, the

three at 1:51 and you're getting a lesser known writer and

Hernandez who ran well at parks. We see more and more of this mic

where we see this movement, between Pennsylvania, and

Maryland, and Pennsylvania and New York and we see those

runners run well. Yep.

Right. It was something we talked about

in the previous shows. And so Twisted ride, although

running and Stakes. A company has one now, four in a

row. And before that lost to repo,

rocks by a neck at parks it six-and-a-half, furlongs, we're

going six furlongs here which is frankly, just Sprint to the turn

turn and then Sprint to the Finish Line at Belmont.

And so kind of an interesting thing here, man, I'm not on

drafted here. For some reason.

Last win was at Aqueduct over six furlongs in December.

I think that horse is not, I don't know.

There's something about it. I do like the move to Jose

Ortiz, here for the dog and barn, but I I don't know.

I'm off of drafted. So that's needless.

Was parchment. The one will definitely win

their unhappy on Saturday. I mean, if a merchant horse, the

horse is definitely, especially greatest my gosh.

But no, I'm with you, man, this is a very legitimate grade 3.

They've got three steaks on Saturday, it's nine hundred

seventy five thousand dollars of Belmont.

They're doing, they're doing it up there.

I love it. Alright, so there you go.

That's our show again. Next week we will be at Pimlico.

You can catch us talk about that before.

Okay, before we hang up because you've never been, I've never

been to the Preakness, been to Baltimore, not speaking.

Yeah, I've been to tracks and shitty parts of towns.

Before I've been highly by the way, that should be a rule.

Once we go non non. What's up with your audience?

Laughing? Okay, the first cursing you

should have to drink. Okay.

All right, that's fair drink juice.

What do you mean expectations for Preakness since I've kind

of? So if everyone wants to know, I

always describe the Derby's the Derby.

Yeah. And then how do I describe the

Preakness as the county fair of the Triple Crown?

Sure. Yeah.

Are you ready for a County Fair? Sure.

I mean, I listened, I expect the show up in there to be like some

Mega In the infield with a whole bunch of just drunk college

kids, listen to live music in between races.

I'm guessing you can hear the loud music in this thing all the

time. Yeah.

Which I'm on favor of I love the lab music instead of like the

same DJ track. We were here at Churchill Downs

the whole time was like, you know, I love the fact that they

got the concerts in the concerts, take a little break,

probably during the horses racist and then they keep going.

So do you know who I'd performing a Preakness?

I do not. Who's anybody good?

Bruno, Mars Runo, Mars. Good name.

That's a pretty. Oh, you know, I'm actually

excited about. Okay?

Sophie Tucker. There you go.

You know who's Sophie? Tucker is, I don't talk to me.

Sophie, Tucker has done a couple Apple commercials, like they did

the best friend. So, she's kind of a, it's a guy

and a girl, and they're kind of techno.

Oh good. Yeah, but they're like that.

Yeah. Who else is on that list people?

Like, I really didn't know. Okay, well, I mean, I'll pull

back. All right.

Pull back up real quick because that listen, I'm I think I'm

going to, that's probably. Okay.

Mars is a get man. Yeah, Bruno Mars is a get.

He's a big name. Yeah.

How much what do we got to do to get a mug?

You know do we just head to toe? Jump you guys like go get me a

mug Chompy. Go give him a hug.

I mean he's got that kind of pull their right.

I get it. The other part of this by the

way, if you're going to be a Preakness, we're going to be at

Peter's poorhouse both Friday and Saturday.

Well yeah, I'll be there on Sat on Friday.

Mike won't be, he'll be sleeping.

I don't know about that. We'll see.

Maybe There's a little walking mall right next to where we

stay, okay? That has a bar, a breakfast

place a steakhouse. And then other places that I

haven't gone to, I just going to go to Baltimore.

Get crabs will do that. Okay.

Yeah. Not the sexual transmission.

So it's going to ask her what her name is but yeah.

I feel like you're locked out of heaven.

No, I'm not at like the dad joke, I'm trying to, I guess he

will drink here. I get you.

I get it. Back me up here.

All right, but as far as everything else like I'm that

was a horrible joke. Thank you Zach.

Yeah. You know I will say this.

It is no, it's double. He doubled down and adjunct that

needless besmirch but that's right.

Lou and I have very different senses of humor.

I can tell you that right now. So okay.

So but the other is there any, do you have any expectation at

all? I'm kind of interested in this

actually because I've never traveled with, you know, okay,

that we not Not really, I mean, I've been to horse races in

other parts of the country and different tracks.

And well, you've been a beautiful places.

I've been this crappy places to like I said, like highly.

It was highly as gorgeous and Islam, but it's in a crappy PC

part of him. But listen, I've been a patch.

I've been Ellis. Okay, then turn off, you know,

I've been there, I've been a teacher feedback was really

terrific. Now, let's carefully carefully

I'm with you so that like, you know, I don't have, you know,

that horse racing runs again, but like, like college ever been

to a race track. That has 120,000 people at it

and the bathrooms all don't work.

Yeah, well down 120,000 people but highly of the bathrooms

didn't work so 100% I got that doesn't surprise me at all.

That's one of the nice things about having a penis is that can

be wherever I want you to. Someone may have figured a

parking lot, over Derby weekend. That's all I'm the only thing I

did. The only thing I will give

expectation to is because we have access to the Preakness

roof to Pimlico roof, okay? You will get to chat with The

Baltimore City snipers from the police department, okay?

Are they, the police department? The FBI police department, okay?

And they use the binoculars up there to scout the talent.

Yeah, they probably have a list. I'm sure I just it's it is the

easiest Triple Crown race to try to cover.

It's not even. Close is the best good.

All right, I got no, I know you love it so because also I think

you'll be stunned at how many people you know, just walking

around to like what like Tracing media and stuff.

Yeah, a little-little glitterati.

Most of them know who I am but I don't know who the hell they

are. So got it.

That's good for your business that you're in the people

business. It's right.

Yeah, it'll be great. I think that's actually was

really fun for us. The first time we went to the

theater be. Yeah.

Right. You know, we got to kind of be

with a lot of those people. Those people in a way getting

those people do. I mean by the most people, you

know, I mean nerds, that's what I mean.

No nerds like us. I got to be with a lot of those

people in a way that we just got to hang out and got to know each

other a little bit better and you know it was it was good.

So I'll just say I know a DeRosa and I'll be fine.

That's the key to everything. That's right.

It is out here. All right, we're gonna we're

gonna pay the tab. We're gonna get out of here.

We'll see you from Baltimore next week.

Take care please.