KY Racing Spotlight 3/16/24 – Tyler Gaffalione

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All right, so let's get into a domestic product wins the last

50 point race and we get to that lull that we get to every year

in the Derby trail ahead of the 100 point races next week and

after the last 50 point race, of course in the Tampa Bay Derby.

And we're going to say the same things about about the Tampa Bay

Derby that we said about many of the races to this point is that

it was slow. Fractions were not fast.

I think we have to be OK with that this year and I think it

should influence how it is that we think about the set up for

the Kentucky Derby. I think that if you can get a

horse that's comfortable being on the lead, I think that horse

becomes infinitely more interesting.

And that a horse like Sierra Leone who I think is wildly

talented and is going to be a very good two turn horse for as

long as they let him run, is going to have so much work to do

against no pace that they're going to have to change tactics

or he just won't have a chance. So it's an interesting time

because domestic product wins a slower race.

I thought the most interesting horse there.

So you know we did this out of the Remsen in December,

especially on the happy hour and I was more excited about the

prospects of Sierra Leone than I was door knock.

Now both of them have come back and looked awesome.

So I was kind of right. I think good money coming out of

that race is the most interesting horse going two

turns for the first time, second race ever, and Chad Brown

decides to try him in the Tampa Bay Derby.

I thought he showed great promise.

He was on the lead for most of the race and I think he's the

kind of horse, if he runs a really well, really well on the

bluegrass or something could be a problem.

Maybe the Lexington. I don't know where they're going

to try to slot him for his next race, but knowing Chad Brown

that might be his Preakness horse.

It should be a shame. I think good money could be the

kind of horse that sets 23 and 47 type fractions and actually

forces this Derby field to have some kind of pace, not a ton,

but just some, right? And because of that I gave out

my Derby top 10 on happy hour last night and and it was an

attempt essentially to just see where we are.

But my number one right now, because I've just been so

unimpressed with the preps to this point, at least stateside,

is forever Young won the Saudi Derby, he's going to run in the

UAE Derby. He's Japanese bred and trained

and I am of the opinion that in the next 3456 years, something

like that, we will get a Japanese winner of our little

race across the street in the Kentucky Derby, Forever Young

right now, all the Japanese connections, all those things

that we associate with recent Breeders' Cup success and

certainly success on the Arabian Peninsula both in Saudi and in

UAE. So I have Forever Young on top,

Timberlake in the second spot, Brad Young trainee.

Brad, Brad Young, Brad Cox, trainee and then Sierra Leone.

Door knock and fierceness in the top five.

Mystic Dan, number six for me, deterministic is 7th.

The deterministic I wanted to talk about because you've heard

me talk a little bit too much about the Remsen from December

that gave us door knock. He gave us Sierra Leone.

What if that track and how it set its up this year is actually

one of the best places for horses to train on the Derby

trail? What if that's happening?

Well then deterministic has to be interesting to people.

Made a move between horses. Took a bunch of spray in his

face during that run. Didn't seem to bother him.

I love that about horses. It's why Mystic Dana 6th Why

deterministic 7 on my list? Deterministic.

Interesting one going forward. Hades.

Wire to wire down to Gulfstream. We'll be in the Florida Derby.

Can Paco Lopez get him to do it again?

We will find out. If so, in a slower Derby field

in a slower year of two turn horses, he may be the kind of

horse that stays out front. It's out front, stays out front

track Phantom 9th, catching Freedom 10th.

And my wild card is Tennessee. If you listen to this show, you

know, we talked to Brad Cox, trainer Brad Cox a couple weeks

ago and I said, hey man, I'm an observer of Brad.

Cox. And I think Tennessee is your

Ruby horse. Is that true?

And he gave that Brad Cox smiling chuckle.

I said, yeah, yeah, that's my Ruby horse.

We'll run him in the Ruby. Of course.

A tried him at Churchill in the fall in a maiden special, came

back second try at Turfway. One those two turns wins again

against winners for the first time, and they'll try him in the

Ruby. I expect him to be a very, very

big player. On all of my bets.

When we get to Ruby Day, which of course is only 8 days away,

how about that? Really wild.

I ought to think about that. Along with Louisiana Derby, of

course. Next week and we'll get into all

of those. Things as they come about but up

next is my interview with Tyler got finally on and I I this is

from earlier in the week. He had just written domestic

product. He hadn't yet been named

National Jockey of the Week, but a great interview.

Young guy, 29 years old, really takes care of himself.

A lot of good introspective stuff about his career and where

he came from, how he came up in the sport and the kind of breaks

that you need to get in. The kind of horses that help

jockeys become great, Tyler talks about.

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Twitter as well. His name is Tyler, and he joins

us here on the Spotlight. Tyler, welcome in, man.

How are you? I'm good.

Thanks so much for having me. Yeah, no, no problem at all.

Obviously we're having in you, you won a very strange edition

of the Tampa Bay Derby. All watch the the extra time and

the tote issues and all those things.

I know what it meant for me as a wagerer and a horse player and

those sorts of things. What happens to you?

What is the kind of lead up to that for domestic product, the

horse obviously that you have them out for in that race.

Can you kind of just describe the moment?

Who told you that there was going to be a delay?

How did it all? Play out.

Yeah, you know, we came back from the previous race and they

still hadn't hung up any time. All the riders started getting

ready. They were still had the picture

on the top board and really didn't give us any answers.

Maybe another 20 minutes went by and nobody had said anything.

So we went up and asked what was going on and that's when they

relayed the message that the tote was down.

They said everybody kind of get ready just in case it pops back

up, be ready to go. So all the writers kind of got

dressed and sat outside and just kind of watched it unfold,

waiting to see what happened. Something I like to do on this

show and Tyler Gafa Leone with us here on the Kentucky Racing

Spotlight is ask people if they'll take us behind the

scenes a little bit. So you've already started what

happens between races, Because I have to imagine there are lots

of people who watch horse racing and see y'all you know, there's

new silks, there's new whatever. What is it?

What happens between a race? You get off, let's say your

horse finishes 3rd and you've got an allowance coming up in

the next race. What happens for Tyler between

races? So obviously when you get off

the horse, you talk to the connections, kind of describe

what happened in the race, you go way out after with all your

tack and your clothing, and then you head upstairs to get cleaned

up and watch the replay, study the form for the next race and

get out there and go do it again.

How? How have you set up the replays?

Is that set up for you? Does your agent help you with

that? Is that something the jockey has

to do themselves? Do you have an iPad full of

former races? How do you set that up?

Yeah, so every race track they have TV's in the Josh room, they

show the replays and the races that are running.

But for watching like a horses past performances, you can

either go on RTN Express Bed or Echo Base is always solid.

But yeah, I use my iPad, my phone sometimes, really whatever

is more convenient. But yeah, always watch the

replays. Yeah, right.

And so Tyler got Foley on with us, and I appreciate you taking

us behind the scenes. Let's go back to the beginning.

Let's go to 20. 14 And then obviously you're you're The

Apprentice jockey of the year in 2015.

What do you think clicked for you other than the mouse?

You know I, Tyler, I get to do a a general sports talk radio show

here and one of the questions we always ask coaches, what's more

important XS and OS are Jimmies and Joes and every coach we've

ever had and I'm to a person has said Jimmies and Joes.

It's the people and I'm sure jockeys will tell you it is the

horse, right? You got to have a great horse or

it doesn't matter, right? Absolutely, man.

Yeah. So in 2015, obviously you have

this breakout year, you win an Eclipse word, like what is, what

is that? Like what happens that year for

Tyler? And everything.

It was a dream come true. I'd always dreamed of being

successful in this sport, growing up in it, and this is

all I ever wanted to do. But I never imagined getting to

those kind of accolade or receiving those kind of

accolades. Obviously it's a dream, but it's

far fetched one. But you know, everything kind of

just fell into place. I got hooked up with the right

people at the right time, started at a good point of the

year. I was given some great

opportunities and really I just think I was at the right place

at the right time. You know, so you win, you win

that award and if you go to you, you mentioned equibase.

If you go to your Equibase page and you go to statistics, the

the career arc for you is very obvious.

You are currently on the rise in your career.

Are you 29? Did I get that right?

Yes, Sir. OK, so.

How long do you? Think you can do this?

I'm always fascinated by that question.

How? How many?

More years, do you think you can improve on this because you had

a $30 million type year last year, can you improve on that

this year? As always the goal, you know,

obviously a lot of it depends on the horses we ride and the races

we get the opportunities in. But we'll definitely try to make

the most of those opportunities and hopefully we can just

continue to build and get, continue to get those

opportunities. I was there in Baltimore when

you won the Preakness. If you close your eyes, can you

remember making that move in the stretch?

I I remember everything. I I.

The only thing I remember is the race that day.

Everything else is Blink, but I I can still see it now.

Just the way it unfolded, the way it played out, everything

about it, the feeling I felt. It's pretty amazing to think

back on. He's a cool horse and I know you

agree with me. Multiple surfaces.

Just a really, you know, great graded stakes winner.

Outside of. War of Will though, Early in

your career especially, was there a horse that you feel like

did more for you than you did for the horse?

Maybe did more for your career than you could have imagined.

There's a there's a couple, but there was this one horse, he

actually, he taught me a lot. You know, I wasn't it was 2015 I

believe. It was my first year riding and

I was terrible on the turf. I think I was like a 3% rider on

the grass and it really bothered me.

Talk to everybody. I could try to get as much

advice as I could but it just wasn't clicking.

And I got on this one horse named Concert Stage for Gustavo

Delgado. He was a $16,000 clamor, but he

was as solid as they came and he showed up every time.

I used to take him back to last. He taught me how to maneuver

through traffic. I think we want to win in like 6

races together, but he was a special horse for me early on.

You mentioned the different surfaces and being a good jock

on different surfaces and I'm sure everyone listening to this

has a jockey that they love playing on.

You know, a dirt Sprint or A2 turn turf race, this kind of

stuff to be great at, at dirt and turf, especially in the

United States. What?

What did you? You know, you talk about this

horse helping you be, you know, last of first kind of stuff

maneuvering in traffic. What is it about turf racing

that's different, just generally speaking, that you had to learn

on the turf side from the dirt side?

The turf you you just can't make any mistakes.

Every inch counts. The dirt, I feel like it's it's

a little more forgiving, but turf racing, it seems like the

least amount of mistakes you make, the better result you get.

It's just got to cut every corner.

It's a little bit more of a thought process out there and.

Yeah. Is there a guy riding right now

that you watch in replays or you see in replays of your own races

and you think, how the hell did that guy do that?

Is there is there? Are there jockeys out there

right now for you like that? All the time, man.

And it's not just one that I'm. I'm amazed by these guys.

I feel so privileged to be able to ride in the against the guys

that I do ride against and just to be part of this generation,

it's it's pretty special. It's amazing what these guys can

do. It is an incredible group of

jockeys right now and you winter every year.

At Gulf St. Park.

So there's an Ortiz and an Ortiz and a a Lopez and a Castellano

and a lot of really great riders down there.

You really made your name, you cut your teeth.

And I remember Tyler and I'm going to just say something and

I hope you don't take offense to it, but I remember being down

there one summer when you were still riding summers at

Gulfstream and and and Tyler, obviously a Florida native, that

makes a ton of sense. And I just remember there was a

horse that was 8 to 1 and you were on.

So it went to six to five immediately.

And I just remember thinking, there's nothing about this horse

that's six to five and you won the race and you cost me money.

And I'm not happy about it. But the cutting your teeth at

Gulfstream being there for the championship meet?

What is Gulfstream meant for your career?

Gulfstream has been everything to me I consider at home.

Obviously Calder was very sentimental to me as well

growing up in South Florida, but I always dreamed of riding at

Gulfstream. It was, you know, the

championship meet all the riders, go all the big horses.

It was the place to be. So I had an opportunity in my

first year. I started in September and come

December we had an opportunity to go north to New York and I

really just didn't want to leave.

I was comfortable here. I wanted to ride against these

guys. I wanted.

I really just wanted to learn from them.

I I'd watched them on TV growing up for years, so I just wanted

the chance to go to compete against them a little bit.

And I think personally, I think it was the best decision we made

as a team. I learned a lot that year and it

put us in a position come springtime.

When everybody left we picked up quite a bit of business.

You mentioned your team several times in that answer.

Who is your team, Tyler? At the time, it was my agent,

Walter Blum, my father. He's always a big supporter of

mine. I go to him for most things, But

my ballet in Florida at the time, J.

Glass, just I consider those guys my team Now, my agents,

Matt Musicer. I still have Jay as a ballet

Vinnie and numerous guys around the country, but I consider that

my team. So Tyler, obviously you've used

Gulfstream in the very best way and not used, but you know it's

it's been a launching pad for you and your career obviously to

great success. Across the street here at

Churchill Downs, a lot of riding titles in.

In order, you know Daisy Keeneland, you have to have had

jockey friends who looked at you and said, man, I really love.

Going to Gulfstream in the. Winter.

But I've decided to stay in Turfway.

I've got good mounts. The purses make sense.

You've watched the evolution of this Kentucky circuit.

How how surprising is it to you to see the last decade here in

the in the Commonwealth? You know, I had a opportunity

maybe about eight years ago to come to Kentucky and it just

really, the racing wasn't what it is now.

I'd say in the last 6-7 years it's really blossomed.

We've gotten some tremendous raises in the purses, the

quality of horses, the horseman, just the racing as a whole is

just really stepped up. And I think we compete at the

top around the country. I mean, if you come there on a

weekday, you never know who you're going to run against.

A lot of young horses are coming out of Kentucky now, being

competitive on the Derby Trail, the Breeders Cup races.

So it seems like a really good spot right now.

Where Where do? You and you know, this is one of

those things where I think people look around the country

and they try to predict who's whose circuits are going to be

what and all that stuff. Do you see yourself as a

Kentucky based rider? At least you know that Keeneland

Churchill meets that way for the foreseeable future.

I I would have to think so. We we've we enjoy being in

Kentucky. The racing is great.

The horsemen are great to us. The living is second to none.

It's very peaceful, relaxing, very laid back lifestyle, but it

just kind of fits with what we're looking for right now.

We're able to travel when we need to.

We still get to ride the the top meets around the country,

Keeneland, Saratoga, Gulfstream, Churchill.

So really we're we're very comfortable.

Obviously we always want to keep building and getting better, but

I think Kentucky's a good spot right now.

Follow up to that. So Saturday for example, you fly

to Tampa to ride the races or maybe a drove up there, I don't

know. I don't know how you did it, but

you go to, you go to Tampa and you are a, you know one of those

guys, you're one of those guys who came in for the big stakes

day. Do you remember the first time

you were asked to do that? Where you you left, where your

normal circuit was to be a, you know, you know, a jock for a big

day? And what's the reception like in

the jocks room? You can be honest on this show.

Is there, is there a collegiality?

Is there an understanding? Hey, there's, you know, there's

five 6th grade at stakes today. So of course a guy like Tyler

and Ired and Jose and Paco were all in town.

Or is there kind of a Is there any resentment amongst jockeys

that way? No, to be honest, I mean for the

most part, everybody's real friendly.

Most of these guys, we ride against them throughout the

year, whether shipping in or staying out of meet.

Everybody's pretty friendly. There's a great camaraderie

amongst riders in general and I mean we, we really are a family,

don't get me wrong. And there's always cheated

moments, a lot of, a lot of motions out on the track and

it's, you know, everybody's trying their best.

But as a whole, I mean, we're a family.

How good is Domester product? You rode him last Saturday.

He's obviously got a serious shot at a starting spot in the

Kentucky Derby gate. How good of a horse is he?

I like this horse. He's he's improving.

Every time I'm sat on him now he's getting more confident in

himself and in his ability. I think more distance will

definitely benefit him. So he's he's in the right

direction. I want to close with this Tyler,

because you mentioned Calder and growing up and and different

things. And we do see in our sport

tracks closing and different things and there's a lot of

conversation about revitalization or bringing new

people to the sport. And if you will allow me, I

would like to indulge real quick.

You did something for my for my family and I think you have no

idea. So I don't, I don't know if you

remember these days, but when the jocks room was in the usual

spot at Churchill Downs and the paddock was where it was and all

that, you had to walk through family fun day on Sundays,

petting zoo face, that kind of stuff.

And my kids recognize you because they have me as a dad

and they go to the track and they know who Tyler Gaffelli on

is and they didn't even say your name, but you stopped and you

gave high fives. And I think you, you, you, you

know, you gave a fist bump to one of my kids and my oldest

who's autistic, looked at me and he goes, dad, is this Tyler?

Oh yeah, that's Tyler. I guess.

Oh, this is so cool. And you didn't we didn't ask you

to stop. We didn't do any of that stuff.

You just stopped. So I wanted to brag on you for a

second because I I appreciate that moment and there's lots of

different ways to fix things, Tyler.

But the only way I know I can do it is just introduce my own kids

to the game and encourage, you know, say my neighbors to bring

their kids to the track and hang out and and you know, meet the

horses, meet the jocks, do that kind of stuff.

Do you think those kinds of moments are important going

forward and and do you have a a thing that you think Tyler

Gaffelli Young can offer in that sort of way?

You know, I think you touched on it in the right sense.

It's just bringing awareness to the races and showing the

people, the, the, the true athletes of it.

You know, they, they see us, but the horses are what it's all

about. Without them, we don't have a

sport. We don't get to enjoy the lives

that we have. And I mean, what else are we

going to do? But honestly, I think you just

bring somebody to the track. They they're around the horse

for 5-10 minutes, and I haven't met someone that hasn't fallen

in love yet. There's just something magical

about them being in their presence.

It's feeling like no other. And then you get to watch them

compete. And I mean, there's it's just

something about a horse giving his all like that.

It's incredible. Has Tyler got finally on allowed

himself to dream of that moment of standing they're sitting on

on the back of domestic product in the Kentucky Derby winner's

circle? Ah man, try not to.

But obviously that's our goal. So you have to dream a little

bit, but just try not to get carried away.

You have to be realistic and look at things as they are and

approach it in the right sense. All right, well, he is Tyler

Gaffellion. You can find him at Tyler under

score under score Gaff on Twitter.

He'll be at Gulfstream for a little while longer and then up

to Keeneland eventually. Go ahead and ruin it.

Do you have a favorite place to ride?

It's Keeneland, to be honest. OK, there you go.

All right, there you go. Hey, back in the Commonwealth.

All right, I like it. The reason I came to Kentucky,

It's been the one track I grew up.

Obviously Florida was my place, but Keenan Meet was what it was

all about. The Spring Meet was so exciting.

I love the look of it, the people, the way they dress.

It seemed so fun. And 2018 that was the 1st place

we went to and I fell in love and never left.

Yeah, well, there you go. All of the things about Caitlin,

you say. It's funny to hear the jockey

say the same things as the people sitting in the stands.

So there you go. He is Tyler Gafeli Hood.

We appreciate him joining us here on the Kentucky Racing

spotlight. Tyler, thanks so much, man.

Be well. No.

Thank you so much. Take care.

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Right, Welcome back in Kentucky Racing Spotlight with Louis

Rabeau. Want to thank Tyler Gaffilion

for joining us here on the show, making a huge contribution to

the show. A longer interview was really

gracious with his time. We we actually booked him the

day of the interview. So really appreciate him jumping

on with us here on the Kentucky Racing Spotlight presented by

the Kentucky HBPAKYHBPA a.org. I'm Louis Robot at Radio Louie

on Twitter. You can find our station at ESPN

680 as well. The Queen is up at Turfway Park

tomorrow and it is a synthetic race.

It's a six furlong Sprint and it's an interesting one.

It's part of a sequence that's going to be really interesting

to try to figure out because before it, you know they have

the great take out rates on pick fours at Turfway Park.

I'd love to play them made in special.

Before that, you get a sense of the class and the, you know, the

the expectations for the horses in that race.

You get the queen and it's a stakes race and you can

understand why certain horses are in that race.

And then you get a 15K claimer and a nickel claimer to close

the card. And so you got to adjust your

thinking, right? It's one of the best things

about horse racing, right, is that in the same day on the same

card, we can have horses running at very different levels.

And I could definitely see this one setting up to be a really

interesting sort of sequence in the maiden.

I'm going to lean and that's race five.

I'm going to lean on the five and the 10.

If the 13 draws in, I'll use them in the queen, I'm going to

lean on the seven so I'm going to go a little off the board.

The favorite is the six BG warrior one last time out.

Huge buyer number and this horse seems to be in every other race.

Huge buyer number Prior to that though Joe Ramos did have the

mounts and the horse ran just fine, but she does jump up and

win under Albin Jimenez last time.

He'll keep them out here, but I do like the seven.

Victorious here seems to be on the improve as a four year old.

Philly only ran once as a three-year old.

Up the track at Churchill Downs in November right around

Thanksgiving. Comes back at Surf Way in

January. Gets a little bit of time off by

5-6 weeks. Wins against maidens going 6

furlongs. Comes back at 6 1/2 and he gets

real tight at the end, Gets real tight at the end.

Good news here, we don't have that extra half Furlong for this

race. It's only 6 furlongs so I'll use

the seven on top here. I do think BG Warriors got a

legitimate shot 2 for 9 lifetime on the synthetic O for 10 low at

the distance, which is interesting.

She won that wishing well at 6 1/2 and frankly had the race bin

at six she would have won it by 9 lengths.

So she repeats that form. She'll be good to go.

One note of that Hugo Andrade the trainer is 2 for his last 27

off of this kind of layoff 5-6 weeks.

That's a little bit of red flag for me.

It's why I have Victorious on top and then a nickname I had in

college, Honey Pants. It's a joke of course written by

Luan Machado. Comes in off of the Las Ingas in

Santa Anita on the downhill turf course.

Won a grade three. Last out under Frankie Dettori.

Gets a little UN Machado here. Leaves the Phil d'amato barn and

travels to Turf way. And the reason I bring up this

horse is because number one, I think he's got a chance.

Geez. Excuse me, 6 year old mare,

daughter of Cairo Prince. I with her.

I I looked at him. My gosh, why would you?

You're winning stakes races. You're winning grade threes at

Santa Anita. Yeah, for $100,000 And it's Los

Angeles and the prices Turfways running this race for 1:25, it's

a it's a remarkable shift, folks.

It's a remarkable shift to watch these things move this way.

I'll also include the 12 here in my plays.

I'll play the seven 6:00 and 12:00 as part of my longer

sequence in race seven. I'm looking at the three on top

and in the final race I'll have the 11 on top as well as part of

my tickets there at Turfway Park tomorrow night, we got to wrap

it up. It's time for college basketball

and that means I got to get out of the way here on ESPN,

680-1057. My name is Louie Robo.

This has been the Kentucky Racing Spotlight presented by

the Kentucky HBPA. As I always say, thank you for

making us part of your horse racing weekend and good luck

with all your gamble. This weekend.