Matthew Desantis | Saratoga, Woodbine

All right. Welcome to another edition of

the Horse Racing Happy Hour. I'm Mike Gandolfo.

It's true. He's Louis Rebeau, also true.

And we're here talking about horse racing in August.

No, actually horse racing log is pretty.

Good. It's loaded, dude.

It's been great. Yeah.

No, it's all well. Kings play little Alabama.

Love the Alabama. Sweet home.

Alabama. Someone walks into your house

tomorrow and says hey I got a $2,000,000 a year real estate

job. It's either in Montgomery, AL or

Toronto. Where do you move?

Toronto. OK, Yeah, in your face, Alabama.

Yeah. No, but you just said

Montgomery. I think that's probably the.

Yeah. What's the best city in Alabama?

Huntsville. Birmingham.

Birmingham is awesome. Yeah, I like me.

It's not bad. I know mobile is kind of

dangerous, right? So.

I don't know actually. I think mobile's like hitting.

Huntsville's got all that space exploration money.

The only place I've been to, I really have only spent well.

OK. The place where I would live in

Alabama is Gulf Shores. Oh, well, yeah, yeah, that's

100%. I love Gulf Shores.

So in your face, Toronto, we're going to Gulf.

Shores I'd go to Gulf Shores, AL first major time, like where I

spent time time in Alabama, stayed in Charles Barkley's

neighborhood at someone else's house, and then we went to

Talladega the next day. Charles Barkley, famously.

NASCAR guy, have you done ever done a NASCAR?

Race. NASCAR race.

No, but I've done stock car races for sure.

Yes. OK, smaller track stuff.

So where I grew up was a track called Berlin Raceway.

Yeah, it was a half mile track, so a big one.

Yeah, yeah, Half mile small. No, for local tracks it's big

OK. Because that's like Bristol.

Right. But that's big for a local

track. Usually they're smaller than

that, so but two guys. They're not going fast on 1/2

mile track. They're not Johnny Benson came

out of there and Jack Sprague came out of there.

Both of them won the Truck Series.

How about that? Yeah.

It's a little Truck Series reference.

You like that? Talladega is 2.67 miles.

Not not a small track. Not a small track.

Did you go to Talladega itself? Yeah, we we went to the.

Race like the out of control awesome.

It it's so, I love going to Bristol, but Bristol's like it's

loud all the time. You're not going to talk to the

person. It's almost like meditative, the

cards are going around and you you just get lost.

You're you can't talk to anybody.

And Talladega, it's like they go by and then you can like you can

talk to the person next year for a while.

So it's, it's just a different experience.

And and then I've been to like Charlotte.

That's the only other track. OK.

I think my like long if I had a like a bucket list, I want to go

to Monaco for Formula One and the Indy 500.

That's about it. OK.

Those are the you can probably make the Indian 5. 100 that's

very something that I can do yes right but I see people up there

and people swear by it man they they talk about the 500 like we

talk about the Derby yeah right I know it's a very.

Different. It's actually kind of funny

being in the Kentucky Derby festival.

We actually. They have they have the same

thing up there. There's a marathon.

It's not as good. I mean, they don't win the

awards we win, but. I agree with that as well.

How about that? But they they actually we, we

kind of trade secrets every once in a while.

Yeah, That makes sense. Yeah.

Yeah, how about that little? Trade secrets, Yeah, of the of

festivals. Festival trade secrets.

Not insider trading or anything like that.

You're not in Congress or something?

No, I think. That's right, no different.

How to make sure people have a good time, You know, hey, we're

doing this. Crowd control, these sorts of

things. Yes, yes, you're doing that

again, data what little. Derby Festival 151.

Dirt for sure. Whole.

Whole 151 how? About that, yeah, I'm moving.

I'm moving on up the organization, man.

I'm I'm blue flaming it so. Should they handle?

Should they hand a bottle of 151 to everyone walking into Derby

next year? No, I think that'd be a bad

idea. Yeah, that'd be a terrible idea.

I'm actually really kind of, you know, we had Derby I.

Agree. By the way, it's a terrible

idea. That's why I brought it up.

Yeah, we had the pins that had the 150 on it and we had perfect

weather. So like the numbers for this

year's Derby Festival are going to be through the reef.

The year before it wasn't that great.

If you remember Thunder, the weather was supposed to be bad.

We had the shooting right before and even that year before we had

2.1 million people go through our events at Derby Festival.

That's pretty. And that's a bad year.

I mean, that's. What was the number this year?

Do you have WE? Don't have yet.

No, we're all that stuff's going to be coming out for us in

September and and at the end of the day, like the end of the

day, it's night. No, but at the end of the day

it'll be August 16th. Yeah, I'm really curious to see

kind of what happens next year, like if there's almost like a

hangover after 150. Interesting.

Right. Yeah.

And the same thing with Derby tickets.

I mean, Derby tickets skyrocketed last year because of

Derby 150. Do they stay at that level or do

they kind of normalize and come down a little?

Bit there's always a bit of you get a residual of the people who

went for the first time who want to go back again.

So you always get a little bit of a bump from that.

But I'm with you on that. DeSantis is here.

We should let him in. Let's let Mantis.

These are things let let let a well dressed man in.

Holy shit. Holy hell.

Oh my God. Matthew DeSantis no hat.

I thought you showered in one. You know, listen, when you get

caught in multiple hail storms during the day at Saratoga,

there's no more there's no more hats.

All right, this is as good as it's going to get right now.

And the hair looks like I live in Florida somewhere with the.

Humidity. Oh my hair, he says.

Oh no. How terrible.

I'm having I'm. Having a rough hair day, too.

I understand. Like it's the humidity.

It's it all the time? Yeah, no, yeah.

I just never know what. A horrible humidity day it is,

yes. Yeah.

Every which? Way, way longer than this.

Yes. Oh please, yes.

Matthew DeSantis, how many times you visit the Kentucky Derby?

We asked you this before, right it?

Was I've only been once. Oh, we did come, OK.

Oh yeah. Well, you're exactly.

In for animal Kingdom. Oh, nice.

So that was the year I I did that.

I've been, I've been to Churchill a bunch because I was

a college roommates with a guy who practiced law in Louisville

for like 5 or six years. And I just go down there and

hang out and we just go on like a Thursday and, and just, you

know, have fun. But we did, we did Kentucky Oaks

kind of like a little bit. And I don't know if this is kind

of the way that the locals do it, but like the Kentucky Oaks

was more of the like the dress up type of day.

Like we had fun. We went out, we did that ran

into a lot of celebrities just walking around the paddock.

The guy, Chris Maloney from Law and Order SVU is about 5 foot

five, you know, other than that, you know, we just, you know, we

had a good time, but then the actual Derby day, we just it was

much more casual. I mean, we were there, it was

more the infield and and just kind of so yeah, it was, it was,

I mean awesome experience and, you know, can't wait to get

back. Obviously that'd.

Be I'd love to get back. I would say the level of dress

for Derby and Oaks is pretty much the same.

I agree. Yeah.

It has more to do with were you in the infield or not in the

infield that's. What?

Right. Exactly.

Exactly. Yeah, yeah.

So for the Oaks, we were kind of in the box and then for in like.

There were years. If me and then yeah, the.

Oaks is the dress up day actually because all the women

are like so trying to paint things so badly.

Maybe that's true. I mean, maybe.

I mean, I mean all the now the whole week's basically getting

that way though because. My wife wore a fascinator on

Tuesday this year. Yeah, right.

Yeah. No, it is.

That's the whole thing. Yeah.

I mean, I, I only wore a fascinator on Friday and

Saturday. She wore.

You got to cover this up somehow.

Right. Yeah, exactly.

Got to. Yeah, got.

To girks with your hair. Yeah, well, the weather up

there. Who's in charge of the weather

in New York? I'm just.

I didn't know, like. Because they're making bad

decisions. Matt Satan.

They're making a lot. These poor steeple chase people.

Yeah, Jesus. I mean, we finally got a steeple

chase in on Wednesday. Thank, thank the Lord.

I thought Carrie Bryan was going to jump out of her skin if we

didn't get that one in. So, no, I mean, it was just, it

was one of those things where, you know, summer in Saratoga,

you guys know, summer in Louisville, like just afternoon

thunderstorms pop up and it's, you know, 20 minutes of just a

monsoon and it just, you know, what are you going to do?

And then the turf course gets really slippery and it gets

soggy. And then you, you know, we were

able to get the stakes race at least on the turf today, but

then the last two obviously taken off.

The good news is tomorrow looks absolutely perfect.

No threat of rain, beautiful skies.

And then Saturday, I actually like this forecast.

It's going to be overcast. And there's like a low

percentage chance, like 10% chance of rain kind of

throughout the day. But that usually just means

you'll get a sprinkle here or there, but nothing serious.

And so I'd much rather have that than like a day like today where

it's like looks nice for half the day and then it's, you know,

a chaotic thunderstorm that ruins the races and takes things

off the turf. So I think the the forecast for

the weekend, I think this cross looks pretty good.

There you go. All right.

So is it impacting your handicap and let's put it that way.

This weekend, no, I'm not. I'm not assuming a wet track and

I'm not assuming anything off turf or even really that soft

ground. Oh.

There you go. All right.

Well, do we want to we want to go ahead and start talking about

some of the races from. Yeah, we can.

We're not going to play the Arlington Million replay here.

Matthew. Did Nations probably do anything

that got you excited enough for him to win a Breeders' Cup race?

He did. Not for me.

No, not really. I mean, I, I think that it was,

I don't know, maybe I'm in the minority.

There's been very few Charlie Appleby horses that have

genuinely got me excited this year.

I, I feel like his overall, it's so interesting to see where he's

positioning his horses down. I don't mean to derail his

conversation into something else, but like it's so

interesting that a couple of years ago all of his horses were

coming over having previously run in the UK, Ireland and you

know, England. Now almost all the horses that

are coming over to the United States previously ran and made

on and were UAE or their repeat customers and coming back over

here to the United States. This coincides with Appleby

going over the last two years, if I'm not mistaken at Royal ask

it and a lot of Brits are making a big deal about this, that the

bloom is a little bit off the roads with Charlie Appleby and

maybe the barn is not quite as good as people thought.

I know there's been speculation over there that they have not

found the next great sire after Debawi and that Debawi is

starting to get obviously go up and get up in there and age and

maybe not be as reliable of a sire at this point, his career.

And it seems like the balance of power shifted to Aidan O'Brien

and, and you know, Jonathan and Gosden again over there.

So, you know, I feel like he brings these horses over because

he's kind of playing in the minor leagues and he's coming

over here and just taking a paycheck and able to get these

wins. But I I think when you talk

about the Breeders Cup and then you're talking about Aidan and

Gosden potentially bringing horses over and you know, and

all of our horses being all the way cranked up.

You know, I, I just like I said, I've not seen many of his horses

this year that I've gone wow to. I thought Cinderella's dream is

the one that I think is really, really good is a three-year old

Philly who won the Belmont Oaks in the Saratoga Oaks.

I think she's the real deal. But outside of that, I don't you

know, it's been silver knot. Obviously is is the other one,

but the other those two are the only ones that stand out all.

Right. So Nation's Pride been winning

the arts million. What were your thoughts on

Nation's Pride? That he beat a very rudimentary

field. So we on the on the horse racing

happy our greatest stakes meter, where would you put that two

plus OK. Grade 2 plus yeah, something.

Like that, I mean, are they going to have to in order to

keep that race at a grade one? Are they going to have to get

that thing out of Colonial? Beyoncé no, they're going to

have to move it because people are skipping the Arlington

million to run for 2 million at Kentucky Downs and the timing is

terrible and they are probably going to have to go ahead

stealing this take from Dan Ullman, who's probably watching.

I I he's totally right. I thought about this a lot if

Dan. Ullman didn't watch.

Where would he get his? Where would he get his material?

You're the one who does, you know, gives you everything that

he's going to. Report about, right?

I agree with that part. However, I'm going to steal one

take from Dan Ullman about, you know, every three months or so.

But yes, I think he's right. I mean, they think they're

closing nominations tomorrow for the Nashville Derby, $3.1

million for that race. Why would you run for a million?

There's 3,000,000 on. It's just a a second place check

is I. Mean.

And most of those horses don't need a graded one.

They don't. Need it.

Yeah, that's right. I mean, and, and it, you know,

I, I do think they, they kept nations fry in that race.

And I, I knew he was going to win when Caitlin Free talked to

us on Friday and said, Oh yeah, Charlie Appleby's going to be

here now. OK, he's fine.

We're done here. Here's the giveaway right now.

He had one in the Sprint who fell out of the gate.

I mean, could I mean, he could not have started worse.

I forget the name that was, but I mean, once I found out that he

was there, I was like, OK, we're done here.

That's good enough. I'm sorry.

Yeah, and it was telling that William Buick went to Colonial

rather than coming up here to ride 2 Appleby horses, both of

whom I was against Ottoman Fleeton, Legend of Time in their

respective races. I mean, the easy handicap angles

just follow William Buick's Air Flight and that's usually going

to tell you where the winner's going to end up being.

Yeah. I mean, I think the only Appleby

horse you didn't mention is Master of the Season.

If he comes off the bench and does, yeah, anything say in the

Woodbine Mile or something, I'll take him seriously for the BC

miles. Yeah, 100 percent, 100% agreed.

Yeah, all. Right, we are going to watch

Maura's win. And Beverly?

So go ahead. Zach, pull that one up.

Zach is there. There he is.

Hey, horses. Hey on that.

Nadette, meanwhile, taking the shortest way home, is in behind

horses. Third, Niecy Marie is under a

drive and Libin FEV Rover brings him to the top of the stretch of

the Beverly D. But company is coming.

Here's Moira on the outside trying to charge you after FEV

Rover. Nadette going to swing toward

the center of the course for the final furlong.

FEV Rover on the inside of Moira.

They're racing well apart. Nadette going to try to split

the two of them. Moira on the outside, FEV Rover

on the inside. These two for a final 16th.

Of a mile FEV Rover in Moira Nadette back in 3rd.

It's Moira and FEV Rover. Moira just in front.

Moira, I think she got it. FEV Rover was right there in the

photo. Then came Niecy all.

Right, so the race basically goes exactly is anticipated with

Maura and Fev Rover. 12A little bit of a long shot of guests

coming in 3rd with Niecy Marie. What were your thoughts on

Maura? Interesting thing here to watch

going forward. Obviously she gets a start in

the in a spot, excuse me, in the Breeders Crump starting gate.

The last time they were the 2017 edition of Del Mar this race,

the Breeders Cup turf Philly and mare was at a mile and an

eighth. And if it's at that kind of

distance, I actually think she could be a factor.

Like that's where I'm interested in Moira in the in the in the

Breeders Cup is if it's actually at that distance rather than say

the mile and a quarter, we get stretched out to that kind of

distance because I'm not sure. I'm not sure she's got enough

kick, but stay on for another full for long after that,

essentially after that race. But no, I, I, it was interesting

to watch her. She started to drift.

She was so stuck on that lead and that she fixed, you know,

they, they get the other leads. She she starts to, I don't want

to say log in, but you know, pulls in a little bit and

actually does win that race. And so I, I thought of the races

of the, you know, the performances, at least at

Colonial this weekend. Her trickery stood out to me.

Yeah, absolutely. I thought trickery for Graham

motion absolutely stood out. I really like that one.

I was a little disappointed. I I get why Graham went down

there rather than coming up here.

And I think, you know, his comments to Caitlin after the

race to the fact trickery is going to stay at a mile and and

kind of go against older after this and rather than stretching

out and going longer in the in the Belmont or the Saratoga

Derby. But listen, Moira, you know, Fed

Rover tried to do what he did last year, just try to walk the

dog up front and almost did it. I mean, I went what, 51 and

change? I thought I was watching a New

York turf race, you know, and they, you know, went real slow

up front and tried to slow it down and get it.

But Moyer has been so impressed by that second place effort last

time out. The Diana I thought was really

good off the bench, having not run since the Breeders Cup.

And then, you know, coming back there and getting the win.

She's really, really good. But I agree with Louis.

I think a mile and eight, I think 9 furlongs, just her game.

And I don't necessarily like her 10 at all, but she's not a miler

either. So I do think she's kind of

stuck at that nine for a long distance.

And if they run it like that out there at Del Mar, then yeah,

she's got a real shot. Go ahead with the update.

Yeah, it looks like it's gonna be at 11.

Oh wow. OK.

Mile 382. That's a lot.

That's a lot. That's what they're listening at

right now. Yeah, at that.

Point that leans, that leans zeros for sure.

Yeah, it really does. Can we get next to run on the

the grass? Maybe.

Maybe we can get next to run on the turf You.

Know next needs to identify as affiliate mayor sure and then.

We'll look exactly. Yeah, exactly.

It's also California. It's a boom.

There we go. Let's go, let's go.

With it. Oh.

Oh, what's that? San Diego?

Come on, be better. Let's go.

Oh, jeez. Come.

On. All right, let's go off.

Of. California doing good.

Let's go watch Carl Spackler win the four-star, Dave.

What a weird race this was. Annapolis Casa Creed 7.

Off the lead with a quarter of a mile to go and Annapolis is cut

loose on the outside of my C cottage, my C cottage, Annapolis

right to him and right on by Casa creeds.

The last three to make up starts to pick up some nice momentum.

Now it's Annapolis and here's Casa Creed on the outside.

These two square off once again, Casa Creed or Annapolis.

Annapolis. Casa Creed.

Casa Creed oops. Stop it, stop it.

Stop it, Stop it, Stop it, Stop it.

That's from last year. Yeah.

How about that? Yeah, well, I'm.

It's better to see. How about that?

Yeah. I was going to say I.

Was going to say. But yeah, that's.

We got the wrong replay. Bad length.

Bad length. But no, that was, you know, it

was an interesting race because there wasn't much speed in the

race and strong quality was the only horse that was going to be

up on the lead. And one of the things I thought

was that Carlos Backler could get the jump on everybody.

And that's essentially what happened, is he just got the

jump sitting close to the lead. And then Cherie Devoe's horse

for the looks. I think moving forward, that's

the horse maybe I'm more interested in betting than Carl

Spackler because that horse really was up against it from a

pay standpoint, from a layoff standpoint, and still managed to

get up for second. But you know, Carl Spackler also

horse for course. I mean, he really loves

Saratoga. This is now four wins and five

starts at Saratoga. So he likes it up here on the

spot, likes the turf quite a bit.

It was a. Weird.

Race it. Was a weird race.

I really agree though with that analysis.

I think I I do think the the horse moving forward is Dubose

horse. I think it's going to be

difficult not to see that horse a big factor in the Breeders Cup

when we get there. Because you.

Figure there's going to be more pace in that race too.

And then with more pace than she, yeah, they're going to come

flying. To Matthew's point, Carlos

Bachler is all his wins. Recent wins have come in

Saratoga, except for the win at Churchill and the opening verse

and then a win in Gulfstream and a main spatial weight.

So there you go, there you go, that's what it is.

How about? That So in those divisions

though like you know, as we look at older sort of turf males

here, Matthew, we've got the masters of the Seas.

We've got the measured times, we've got the Johannes.

Would you put Johannes at the top of that Mylar group right

now in North America? Because I think I know.

That's interesting, yeah. I mean, especially with it being

out in Del Mar, I actually would.

I think when those West Coast turf forces get to play on their

own territory in their own sandbox, they're really

dangerous out there. And that horse, just horse just

shows up and dominates really, really good.

I mean, that just yeah, doesn't turn in a bad race.

And you know, with the with the question mark, with Master of

the Seas, with the bruised foot, you know, you know, how long

does that take to come back? And, you know, like I said, Carl

Spackler is a is a nice horse, but I wouldn't say, you know, I

listen, I'd love to own him, but like, he's not a horse that, you

know, necessarily scares me in that division moving forward

just because of his running style.

And yeah, I think Cherise's horse is serious, but will

probably be a little bit more of a long shot in that race.

But yeah, Johannes, I think kind of leader in the clubhouse,

quite frankly. For North American horses for

sure, and I do think the the difference between that mile and

a half and the turf and the mile makes that decision really easy

for the connection. Johannes is not going to go a

mile. That mile will be what I mean,

it's going to have to run that kind of race.

It's going to have to be closer to the front probably than he

has been in some other races. But I think he can absolutely do

it and probably. Wow, I was trying to.

Is it so bricks and Mortar won the turf.

The last Miller was it E Beer was the last North American

based Miller to win the Breeders Cup?

Yeah, maybe. I don't have to go.

Back. So I think, I think we're

looking at that long since we've had, in my opinion, a horse like

Johannes that can actually jump up.

And you like, and you got to like the chosen brown and the

Sprint and the turf Sprint, the. Turf Sprint.

And oh, I'm sorry, no, the I thought that was a turf race.

Wasn't. It chosen Brown, Yeah.

No, the last one was. Turk OK, my fault.

I'm out of it a little. Bit I'll be honest, I would like

him in the Turk Sprint too because that horse just wins on

everything like like just give me chosen.

He's on the dirt. Yeah, yeah.

But no I. Think Cosby's on the turf.

No, but he's like 2 for three on turf too, and the horse is out

of his mind. That's correct, yeah.

Yeah. But I mean, I think that's

another case where at least a local California like.

Favorable people bet him like crazy last year at Santa Anita,

too. He just didn't.

Fire. Him right that's.

Right, yeah, OK, let's go on with your manscape read.

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Is it cream lotion? What do they call it?

I found out. That I but see I use the oil and

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So there. You go all right, a little beard

conditioner. Go back if you want to manscape

oil versus conditioner, I mean. I mean Zach's Zach is actually

more beard than person so. Yeah, that's probably true.

Yeah, I don't know. Zach's There he is.

I will tell you that I use both and I have always used both.

Oh, there you go. All right.

Different skin types, Mike, how about that and find out your

skin type landscape. I have the toily of the toily,

the oily Italian skin. Toily, which is oily Italian, is

now a toily Italian skin Oily Italian skin.

It's like, it's like I was telling Matthew the other day

that so Matthew and I have been struggling to come up with our

favorite term for whatever the turf course is at Churchill

currently. And.

It's all Do you remember what he said?

What he called it. What did he call?

It called it the turf. I just stole it.

We're done here. That's easy.

ISIL came up with it. I'm stealing ISIL stuff.

That's what we're doing here. I love the turret.

The turret turt. Sounds like a really nasty sex

move. Or or or the dump you take the

next day after you ate something after drinking that you

shouldn't be. Well, they could be that too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh man, I just dropped a huge

turret. Yeah.

No, it's not. Good.

All right, Matthew's on here for one, one main reason.

It's because we got a pretty good day at Saratoga coming up.

Oh, I thought you were going to talk about the King's play.

You want to start there first? I don't.

I mean, we have the man on here to talk about Saratoga.

I'm talking talking kings. Play with my guy JD tomorrow.

OK, we'll do that then, Yeah, you go talk all your Canadian

race and you want. Well, Ontario talk tomorrow,

yeah. You've never been to Lake

Placid? Have I ever?

No, I've never been to Lake Placid.

I do I do rewatch the 1980 Miracle on Ice call regularly

and I'm someone so I this is again, kind of a little bit of

an offshoot. I don't know if you guys like

this. I yeah, my deep Italian heritage

roots for the. For the rusties.

And so, yeah, I Veroni, why would I root for that guy?

The but no, it's funny. I love watching like I first of

all, I love the 30 for 30s that ESPN has done over the years and

sports documentaries in general. And I am somebody I love re

watching that stuff. Like I will watch like the I've

watched like the U30 for 30 about the University of Miami

like 7 times. I love watching that stuff.

So I watched like all the old, you know, sports documentaries

about the Miracle on Ice and the Lake Placid Games.

And it's just, I mean, I was and I was born in 1980.

So like I've always kind of had that connection to the Olympics

from that year. And and I, you know, friend of

the family got like a little ski cap that when I was a little

baby for the 1980 Olympics. So yeah, I just always loved

that story, but never been. And maybe that's something I

need to. Do that's a hockey guy?

Is that a venue that you just? Is it historic of a venue at all

being? I don't even know what it's

called. No.

My dad tells the story, though, so of course that that game

happens. And so it's a little prior to my

birth. My dad tells the story.

He they win the game. He runs out on the front porch

with a pot and a spatula and just starts hitting it on the

front porch to celebrate Italian New Year.

All of his neighbors run out at the same time and start doing

the same thing in Detroit. Yeah.

Yeah. So apparently it was just a it

was just a celebration all around the country.

So, yeah, that's awesome. The stories I hear about that

stuff, I'm very jealous. It sounds amazing.

Yeah. I mean, yeah.

I mean, it's right in the. Heart right in the heart of the

Cold War. I mean, that's, Yep, that's.

Right. Yeah.

I take those Soviet stands all day long.

Yeah. All right.

Well, let's talk about the Lake Placid stakes.

A little Lake Placid. Home of the 1980 Winter

Olympics. In 1960?

How about that? In 1960.

OK, All right. If you say so.

Lou, you want to start with this or you want Matthew, you go

first. I could go first here, that'd be

just fine with me. I landed on the 10.

What's the 10's name? How about that?

Dynamic pricing. This one made me look really

smart on the at Churchill over Derby weekend in the Edgewood.

I'm hoping we get a return to form in this race under Irad

Ortiz Junior, who was aboard for that race in the Edgewood at

Churchill Downs. Matthew assures me we're going

to have firm go. I'm hoping we'll have a little

bit of giving the go this weekend for dynamic pricing.

If I can really get 5 to one on this horse by the time we get to

post time, I'm definitely going all in.

We got 9 to one on the horse over a Derby weekend, so maybe

we can get lucky again. I have a long shot as well in

the second spot here in Proctor St.

Who won last out in an optional claimer at Sir at a Syracuse

Saratoga. Saratoga.

I've been to Syracuse. Thank you.

I appreciate you very much. I think, I think this is a horse

that is going to do all of its running late and I think there's

actually a fair amount of speed up front in this race, including

the horse right next to it that Kendrick is just going to have

to go on and try to figure it out.

And so I think there's going to be plenty to run into in this

race, including a horse like She Feels Pretty, who's going to be

in the other front with Johnny V aboard is going to be the

favorite in this race and frankly a deserved favorite.

But I'm going to try to go a little bit longer.

Use 10:00 and 9:00 here. Dynamic pricing and practice

what? Do you think it was dynamic

pricing, Matthew, was it just a, was that like a a rare

occurrence we just get the horse's best race and that was

it or are we going to see repeat performance?

Yeah, it's a good question because it is a little telling

that you look at the horses running lines and there is a

little bit of an on, off, on, off type of a pattern where you

know, ran an 86 buyer in the sweet chant.

And then you know when you know, kind of ran a nothing race in

the Florida Oaks, came back, ran big in the Edgewood, then didn't

really run much in the Belmont Oaks last time out.

So a little bit erratic. I will say having I Rad back

aboard is going to be good. I think he's going to have a big

Saturday because here's the thing, I Rad Ortiz Junior just

is going to get off serving a three day suspension.

And I know that when when Saturday rolls around, I rad

puts on his riding shoes. You don't get Wednesday.

I rad you get big money. I rad.

I know big money Mike Smith. He's got that nickname.

But I tell you, there are certain Saturdays where I rad

just wins the first three races and you're like, OK, it's going

to be that type of day like everybody else is running for

second. So I, I, I do not anticipate,

you know, getting this horse getting a bad ride at all.

He's going to get a good ride or she's going to get good, right?

I should say I think she can revert back the form.

I liked her quite a bit in this spot.

I do think Cherie's horse, the number seven, she feels pretty,

is a really tough customer. I think the cut back to a mile

and a 16th is going to really benefit her.

You can tell she just tired a little bit going that mile and

three sixteenths last time out. Just couldn't hold off

Cinderella's Dream, who I mentioned earlier for Charlie

Appleby, but one who just is super consistent and you know,

really the two losses were by half a length and 3/4 of a

length. So really a horse that has not

done much wrong to this point. But I agree with Louis about the

long shot. I really like the number 9

Proctor St. as well. This is my this is my value play

in the race. I love Brendan Walsh and Tyler

Gafflione together on the turf. Just such trusted connections,

whether it's down in Kentucky or up here in New York.

And Tyler has been riding extremely well.

If I'm not mistaken, he won actually 25% of the races that

took place last week at Saratoga.

So he's just been on an absolute roll up here.

This one is a listen. She's a deep closer.

She's going to make her big run late.

But here's the thing on the inner turf course at Saratoga,

54% of winners have closed from more than three lengths off the

pace that they have mile mark. You want to be coming from off

the pace on this turf course really does not hold up front

end speed that well, which I think is maybe a legitimate

concern for the number seven if she's really close to that pace

that Ori, I agree with you. Louis Kendrick's got nothing to

do other than to say and so and the four might kind of be

forward as well. I think it has a little bit of

tactical speed and then the seven sitting there second or

third. So I I definitely like dynamic

pricing here. I'm going to take a swing with

Proctor St. as my top pick. But yeah, I definitely think

this one you can, you can try to get a price in this race.

All right, look at that. Only one we didn't mention

flopping Pratts aboard the two grey OSH here who last out when

dropped back out of a grade two in the wonder again, but ran

well I thought last time. Just got caught at the end by

Proctor St. who we both like. If that horse runs back to that

kind of form, that's a or gets a little better even.

I should say that's a horse that can win here as well.

All right, Yeah, we're. Going to move on to the 10th

race, which is the Alabama Stakes.

Alabama. Alabama $600,000 Grade 1

presented by Keeneland Sales. They have.

Sales at Keeneland. They did.

Did you know that? Wait, what?

Yeah. Sales.

Three-year old Philly. I thought all they cared about

was racing on. The dirt stutter.

Where does this rank for you? As far as we've talked about

this before, as far as. Philly mayor races or Philly

races? Three-year old races, yeah,

because we always talk about a house.

Oaks and Acorn on their own level.

This is above the CCA. Oaks, this is above the

cotillion for me. Third, third.

Third. Yeah, Third.

It's about the Black Eyed Susan. I would put it through.

How about you, Matthew? Oh yeah.

I would say that's yeah, that's that's pretty good.

That's kind of where I would have it slotted to Oaks Acorn

kind of on its own level. I also agree better than the

Cotillion, better than the CCAO. And I'll be honest, this year

it's a better race because Torpedo An is not in it.

We have this debate on one of your live streams.

Yeah. Yeah, that sounds a little

counterintuitive to say that the best 3 year old Phillies not in

the race and that makes it a better race, but it makes it a

better betting race. I think it makes it a better

field. I mean because Louis, I don't I

mean what three other horses might have shown up if she had,

you know, the the racing office would have really, you know,

been handing out checks, trying to get people to fed or horses.

I have a feeling to go against a one to nine shot in this race.

So, you know, her going against the boys next week in the

Travers, I think makes it a better field and I'm excited for

this one because a lot of Phillies now have a shot of

getting a grade one. Yeah, I'm not sure.

Like, yeah, like a neon icon makes the trip of Thorpe and

oils in here, for example. Yeah.

But I'm. I'm just not sure about that.

Yeah. Thomas makes the trip.

You're right. I mean, you got a lot of horses

like this and of course this race is a who's who's of horses

have won this race. I mean, I'm, I can go back as

far as we want, but Songbird Elate, Swiss skydaw her mouth at

nest. I mean, this was this is this is

an incredible race. I don't know if we have any

horses of that quality in this race.

But Swiss Skyd ever win this race and the Traverse in the

same year? I can't remember.

Or was her first time against the boys in the Preakness OK?

All right, that was the weird year where everything was off.

Yeah, that is, you won an October Preakness.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was not.

Yeah, you're not. You're not with the traverse.

OK, so I mean brass tacks. I know how you feel about

Torpedo Anna not being here. Matthew, as far as this being a

betting race and a better field, if you were in that ownership

group, would you show up for the four $350,000?

Check. Probably not.

I would. I would take a shot against the

guys just because So I, you know, it's funny, you and I went

back and forth about one of the turf horses this year endlessly

in the Kentucky Derby. I think the difference between

endlessly in that decision to go to the Kentucky Derby rather

than keep the horse on the turf, and this is a little bit

different. A, you had the surface switch,

which I wasn't necessarily a big fan of and then B, you know,

endlessly hadn't really put together a whole resume

necessarily to this point. Whereas I feel like for pedo

Anna, she doesn't really have anything else to prove.

I mean, this is kind of the conversation we have with Next

as well as like how long does Next just keep cashing checks?

Right. You know, running in the

Goodwood Cup and running in the Bird stone and stuff like that.

Like that's great, but I'd love to see him go a mile and 1/4 in

the Kentucky in the Jockey Club Gold Cup.

Like that's what I want to see. I want to see him against tap a

trice or something like that in that race, Like that'd be

awesome. So I, you know, I think as an

ownership group, particularly if you're an ownership group

associated with Kenny Mcpeak, listen, you got to have a little

bit of flash and a little bit of flair.

So going against the boys, I, I think that's the way to go

there. You go.

And she's got a chance, I mean. Obviously.

Yeah, I mean, yes. Yeah, she's got A and she's got

a chance. You're right.

Like that's the other part of it.

It's not just that she's going. She's got a legit chance on that

race. Yeah.

All right, let's. Hopefully we get the like 10 or

11 to one number that we got in the Preakness right.

That'd be great, yes. Matthew, what do you think?

Tell us you like. Can we kind of just go through

the field? We can do that.

Yeah, because this is the race of the weekend that we're going

to be talking to Matthew through.

So what's our terrible word game that we're going to play for

Alabama? Yeah, Alabama.

No, no, run for stop. Let's just say like if you like

the horse or not. Cuz we thought we always start

these things and we never actually finish them.

Got it. Yeah.

All right, all right, so. The point is we we could do, we

could do Roll Tide or War Eagle. I don't know like we could do.

Roll Tide. So Roll Tide the horse.

Let's go ahead and piss off. If you like the horse, let's

Roll Tide. If you don't like the horse, War

Eagle. I don't.

Know all right, I'll look part Georgie anyway so.

Close to Warner Robins, where all those really good Little

League teams come out of that's they're like right down the

highway from is there One? Part of the New Jersey or the

Tuscaloosa? Well, that's fair enough.

OK, we're going to start then with the one horse Tyler is

aboard, Intricate 6 to one morning line trained by Brandon

Walsh, lost, came in 3rd in that CCA Oaks that torpedo and I

walked home with. And what do you think?

Yes or no? I would say a winner, Probably

not. A A a War Eagle.

Did I do that right? OK, yeah, more eagle.

Or as Charles Barkley would say, there are two types of people,

Auburn people and people going to hell.

How? About that we can go, we can go

roll tired that they're terrible.

We don't want to say terrible though then.

Yeah, these horses aren't terrible, right?

Intricate's not a terrible horse.

Horrible. I think Intricate is going to

turn out like her dad would be much better later on.

I think this is not a great spot for her.

I think she showed in the CCA Oaks what she is.

I think the added distance at this point is probably not a

good thing for her. So I will go War Eagle in this

one. Yeah, I agree.

War Eagle. I mean, people who might latch

on to the fact she's the only Philly who's ever beaten Torpedo

Anna and they might latch on to that.

But listen, she just hasn't taken a step forward from 2:00

to 3:00. And like Louis, I agree.

If she's going to have another chapter, it's going to be like

Gun Runner as a four or five year old as she gets a little

bit older. And you know, I like these

connections a lot, but hard for me to see this one jumping up

and winning in the spot. And particularly even at six to

one, I feel like that's even too low of odds for me to take a

shot at a horse like that. We got a horse, the two Chatalis

Wednesday and Oaks and that has a trainer change so.

Well, that was because Mark Lads left to California, Senator, to

Grant, and Grant took care of it for that race, yeah.

I see that now with the Glat SO tutori aboard here 8:00 to 1:00.

Wrote her in the blue northern. Yep.

Yep. So who do we got?

Like here we got where we Roll Tide or War Eagle.

She's more Roll Tide for me than intricate was, but she still

wore eagle in this group. Matthew, I think she's a nice

horse. I really wonder about the

distance with her. Obviously the the breeding says

that she can get there, but she's never done it before and

so you know, she was on the turf. 2 races to go for all

things and so interested to see her, you know on Saturday, but

man, I'll I'll let her beat me in this spot Matthew.

I'll go War Eagle with. Yeah, I'll, I'll kind of go a

little bit more Roll Tide with her.

I, I think she's got a little bit of a shot and I mean, I have

her pick third in, in my analysis on my bet.

So I mean, I, I'm not saying she's my pick to win and we'll

get to her later, but like I, she's a really gutsy horse.

That effort in the Indiana Oaks was legit.

I mean, she, they made a run at her and she came right back at

them. It was very reminiscent of

Dornik actually, and kind of some of his races where they got

the head passed and then still kind of came back to win.

That was also her first race in seven months, having not run all

winter and spring. So I thought that was a really

promising effort. There's not a ton of speed in

this race. She could get out up front and

not be pressured and we've seen it happen up at Saratoga.

Horse gets bold up on the front end and nobody starts to make up

ground and catch her, so she's a little bit more eagle for me I

think, especially at the 8 to one price of horse I'm including

in some different wagers. All right, the three horses

Power Squeeze. Power squeeze has won five out

of her last seven races. The two she didn't won when were

won by the repeat. And so Jorge Delgado trained

here, Castellano aboard will be coming in here again five out of

the last seven. However, one of those starts at

Saratoga that she came in 3rd and that was in that acorn.

So what do you you got to take her as a serious try?

This is a Roll Tide. She's a War Eagle for me yeah.

So I'm I'm off of her. I and I'm not precisely sure why

in my head I'm not more positive about this horse, but I lot

looked very competitive, very good running late in the

Delaware Oaks for sure. I don't know how good Siddamara

is and I don't know how good regaled is the two horses that

she beat in that race. But I do know that she finished

behind Leslie's Rose, of whom I do not have a high opinion in

her last time at Saratoga in the Acorn.

I think this is a very much a War Eagle for me.

Nine to two is so far from the number I would want on this

horse, Matthew, that I don't think I'm going anywhere near.

Yeah, we're in agreement. I'm more Eagle on this one as

well. I think it's not a mistake that

if you look her two best races are in a mile and a 16th.

When she went a mile and an eighth, she didn't necessarily

like that. I have a hard time thinking

we're just going to suddenly like a mile and a quarter.

You know, the pedigree is not particularly overwhelming for

distance either, especially going a mile and a quarter.

So, and I mentioned this is a race that is probably not going

to feature much pace. And she likes to come from

pretty far back. I mean, the races that she's run

the best, her Gulfstream, Park Oaks, her Delaware Oaks, you

know, she managed to be relatively close.

It was kind of a short field that was clumped together In all

those instances, she wasn't that far back.

I don't see that necessarily happening on Saturday.

So I just, yeah, she's a War Eagle for me.

I just, I'm not a true believer in this one and I think, you

know, she might be able to pick up some pieces for a very minor

award. But like I said, distance is

just a no go for me. Daughter of Union Rags, by the

way. Union Rags underrated horse

name. Yeah, OK.

No. It's just a good.

One all right, the four horses just basking 5 to one Ian Wilkes

train here. Ian Wilkes my daughter, my wife

used to teach Ian Wilkes kids when Darryl Saborg coming off

that very impressive win in the Iowa Derby.

This is a huge step up though for.

This yeah from the Iowa Oaks for.

Sure. Yeah.

I'm sorry. Iowa Oaks.

You're fine. Yeah.

So, you know, morning line 5 to one.

They like her. She had a good speed figure in

that race. Is is the Iowa Oaks winner just

basking a war? And she, she wanted the

distance. I mean, it's worth mentioning.

I mean, one of the reasons her odds are where they're at.

David Aragona, of course, does a great job with the Lions in New

York. This is part of it.

I think Matthew is that she wanted a mile and a quarter of

Churchill Downs. 100%, I mean, this is, there's two horses that

have won at this distance, her and Neon Icon.

Everybody else is untested. She's done it.

I thought the last effort was particularly noteworthy.

She switches off Lasix and you see a buyer speed figure

increase. Either you don't see that

combination very often. You know, interesting that

Wilkes is flying in Landeros for this one mount basically for the

day. I think she's got a live she's

got a live odds. I mean, I I think she's I I

guess maybe I categorize her a little bit the way you did Chad,

a loss where she's more Roll Tide than War Eagle.

I'm not going all in on her, but it would not shock me to see her

run really, really well. But this is going to be quite a

step up in class from running in Prairie Meadows last time out.

But you know, she, she's got a shot.

Oh come on, We don't like the Cinderella story.

No, Yeah, Yeah, Actually, I don't.

You're right. Yeah, these daughters of

arrogate. What?

What a what? A Cinderella story, daughter.

Of arrogate and and. Lay a blame on the mom's side.

What a what a what a great story this is.

What a what a. What A50?

$1000 reading job. This is actually the.

Hell with you. No, that's a hell of a pedigree

too. I mean, that's a hell.

Of a pedigree. You know.

Yeah. You know, it's like, you know,

it's like when you see Godolphin jump up once every, you know,

three months. Yeah.

Now you feel good for those people.

That's right. All right, Gina Alvarado's on

board the five horse America's Val.

This is a 20 to one shot who won last time out at Saratoga.

So what do you think about this horse?

US not going to happen, but no, it's nice.

Tim Ham over his last five in greatest stakes.

Let's make it over six. OK, How about that?

War Eagle we can. Move on.

Like I just, yeah, hard, hard to see this one working out anyway.

Flavian Pratt is riding the six misjustified, trained by Todd

Pletcher and 6:00 to 1:00 morning line odds as 1-2 of the

last three or the last two stars.

Let's just go with that one. Louis, what are you having this

War Eagle Roll Tide? Big Roll Tide on this one.

I think she's I think she's primed for this kind of race and

I think this is the kind of horse we might not have seen had

torpedo Ana stayed in the race. This might have been one where

Pletcher, you know, spotted her in a different spot was in a a

black type last time in the Wilton going in that one turn.

Well, the 1 1/2 turn a mile shoot there at Saratoga.

I, I look, this is justify. I'm not worried about distance.

I think she's steadily progressing and getting better.

I like Flavian getting them out here.

He's having a terrific meet at Saratoga.

So yeah, I I think this is not only I mean, I think she's got a

legit, legit shot. Matthew here.

You mentioned. That yeah, she's my top pick, so

it's real time for me and I, I agree with everything that we

said. She's progressively getting

better and she's the only other horse that has good early

tactical speed outside of child loss.

I don't think child loss can get the distance and I just worry

about, you know, the herb, you know, being able to sustain that

run the whole way. I thought that last effort in

the Wilton was really gutsy. That was an oddly run race.

If you watch that, like somebody kind of bolts halfway through

the race and opens up and then she just kind of comes back and

and comes back on the inside and really showed, I thought a lot

of grit to be able to do that. But she's got a lot of tactical

speed. I think Flavian, you know, knows

that we're stretching out and he's just going to sit there,

you know, length probably behind child loss and just be in the

perfect position to get first crack coming from home.

I think she's good enough to do it.

And she is interesting. She trained, she worked out next

to candy, they worked out together that last work, which

was a very typical Todd Pletcher like go as slow as humanly

possible type of work. She looked really good in that

work next to candy. I mean, I know they neither of

them were being asked for anything.

I would say she was a little more professional looking horse

of the two in that workout. So I I think she's primed for a

big effort. If you can get six to one, I'm

betting with two hands at the windows.

All right, Candy is the seven horse and another top Pletcher

as you know Matthew just kind of talked about Franco aboard here

seven to five big time favorite favorite did finish second to

torpedo Anna in that CCA Oaks last time out won the race

before that, however, kind of had a weird run into oak season.

You know, even coming into the. Well, this was the one they

wanted to run her earlier. It just didn't.

Work and then they. Tried her in that Ashland and

she was off the bench. She didn't run a bad race that

day. She just wasn't ready Yeah, she

just wasn't ready. And that Ashland has that short

finish line too and I think she probably just needed the extra

distance there. I think she's a worthy favorite

here, Matthew. I, you know if she runs her race

here she's the most likely winner if you will.

But you know, I, I think we'll get closer to 2:00 to 1:00 than

we will be to even money by the time we get to post op.

I don't know if Matthew agrees with that.

Yeah, I, I actually would probably agree with that because

I think there's enough other intriguing horses.

I think if it's just if I take some money, I think even

Chadalos might take a little bit of money.

And it would be interesting to see if just basking takes money

because people latch on to that one and a quarter mile victory

and and go, well, she can do the distance sort of thing.

But yeah, I, I listen, she's roll tied in terms of like,

couldn't she win this race? Yes, if they run it 100 times,

she probably wins the most out of everybody in this race and

everybody in this field. So yeah, she's absolutely

capable of winning. I do wonder if that lady's

secret is a little bit more of an anomaly in terms of that 99

buyer speed figure. So if you're just looking at the

speed figures, she's kind of mid 80s to high 80s.

And then you see this 99. Now the 99 puts her head and

shoulders above everybody else in the field.

I don't know if that night, I don't know if that 99 was

necessarily a real number to some extent.

You see that sometimes where horses just pop a big effort or

track was playing fast or whatever, what have you.

And so if she runs back to her 86878889, there's really not big

of that much of a gap between her and anybody else in this

race. And I don't know, I'm like I

said, I'm willing to kind of play against her the pedigree as

well. Yes, the candy ride up top.

And and we think of candy ride as this great dirt Ralph sire,

not a necessarily great marathon sire.

And and what's more about the, the damn Tony tools is more of a

sprinter. And so, you know, I, I don't, I

just again, I have questions at the mile and 1/4 and I, I just

wonder if she levels out a little bit.

The 8 horse, the final horse, the field Louis size aboard Neon

Icon again, the only other horse that has won at a mile and a

quarter in this race. Louis 15 to one big number.

Where are you at on this one? I'm real tied here and it's more

getting back to what I think she wants to do that that stretch,

that run at the Indiana Oaks is so short and I think she just

didn't have time to make her run.

And with every bit of respect to Edgar Morales, I like to move

back to Luis Saez here, who's Speaking of guys that are in the

zone right now mentioned Tyler earlier on the show.

Luis is riding as well as he has all summer right now.

I expect her to give her a bit, expect him to give her a very

fair trip. I know the numbers aren't there

on paper as far as wire speed figures, those kinds of things.

But that Thursday night, man, when she won, we were there in

terrible weather at Churchill Downs in a mile and 1/4, she

could not have looked more comfortable.

Maybe a little moisture in the track.

Maybe we get lucky by the end of the day.

Matthew and it's neon icon. What?

What is the flower of choice for the Alabama?

Is it Doctor Pepper? It's going to be a carnation if

I feel like a like a white carnation actually.

A good question I'm never good with.

That I never trap bags over the over the horse to to represent

Alabama. Is that how it works?

I'm like pooping on Alabama. Should be what it should be

Houndstooth, right? It should be.

Houndstooth. Yeah.

Oh, that's way better. Oh man, I should have gone with

that. An eagle just scoops in.

Chase all of. Them she's you know, it's

interesting. She's probably a little more War

Eagle for me. But listen, if if Louie's

aggressive out of the gate, which he tends to be, and he

gets this horse to sit the trip she sat to back at Churchill and

then she's real serious. And, and I will say, if you ask

me which horse do I think is better at the same price between

her and just basking? I would say just basking.

But if you're saying just basking is 1/3 of the price of

neon icon, well, I'm more interested in neon icon then.

And so this is where price and all this stuff kind of comes

into play. You know, I think the far

outside post shouldn't be that much of A deterrent because it's

such a long run up to the first turn.

Everybody's going to get their spot, you know, wherever they

want to be. I don't think anybody's going to

be hung, you know, really more than two wide probably going

into that first turn. So I'm not too worried about

that. And you're right that Louis has

kind of heated up a little bit in this last couple of weeks

after getting off to a really slow start at Saratoga.

So, you know, I think, again, another daughter of Arrogate and

I think that's something. Listen, there's two gun runners

in this race. There's two Arrogates in this

race. There's a candy ride.

I mean, the pedigree is to tell you these are horses that are

meant to be going this mile and a quarter.

So a little bit more War Eagle for me, but certainly going to

get a big price. So who was on top for you there?

The 6th best justify. That's going to be my top

choice, followed by Candied and then Chad a loss as my third

choice. Oh OK, I went 768 he went 6-7

and A2 for people keeping track. There you go.

We got same top two at least so there you go late part of that

sequence. Is there anyone that makes

sense, Matthew, in the last two races, if you happen to have

looked at them at this point, you know, either in that state

bread maiden and I think it's probably 3-5 in the last race

and just move on and then. Before.

That in that starter allowance, does anyone stand out?

That's real special there. Yeah, I agree with you about the

last race. I mean, George Weaver on the

turf is is is tough to get around.

I will say, you know, I kind of like so I'd say the four who's

the king is kind of an interesting play in that 11th

race. A little bit of a price.

And this is a little bit more of like Linda Rice is not

necessarily firing up here at Saratoga.

Sappy Joseph Junior is firing up here at Saratoga.

So that's a little bit more of a trainer play.

And the other piece of advice I would give people that Dylan

Davis bet Mark Cassie if you're playing Saratoga, it's just that

simple. Some days Mark Cassie is winning

34% of his entries. It's insane.

He's just absolutely crushing these two year old races.

He's got a slew of good two year olds this year and Dylan Davis

flat bet ROI on every single mount Dylan Davis has had would

have returned after today $3.86. I mean, it just flat betting

Dylan Davis at this point, I mean he's bringing home $20

winners almost every single day and and doing it easy.

So those two are just having a phenomenal meet.

All right, there it is. Matthew Vesantis with naira

Bets. Join us, man.

He's becoming like a regular. I don't know if he likes that.

Yeah, no. No, I very much will like that.

OK. All right.

OK, yeah. Well, he's got to hang out on

Friday mornings and stuff and he's like, oh, can you tell

people you're doing something really cool actually at Saratoga

that I want people to know about?

You're doing these, I don't want to call them seminars, but like

AB, CS, abetting kind of thing in the mornings.

What are those called? How can people find those if

they happen to be up in New York?

Yeah. So thanks for mentioning this,

Louis. So it's called the betting

basics show that I do. I don't know why we said show,

but it's not really like a whole production, but.

That is amazing. Yeah, right.

Now I think like the price is right, but no, it's at the port,

so it's right on the track. If you go to where the red and

white awning is and you just head there in the morning

workouts, it's from 9:00 to 9:30.

So it's after kind of breakfast at the track and I go over a

race every day. So tomorrow I'm going over the

Skidmore Stakes, which is the second race on the card, and we

handicap it from a standpoint of teaching people how to handicap

for pace, for class, for speed and for form.

And, and then we talked a little bit about how to bet races and

some different strategy that you can use in there.

So we do it. It's free every Friday from 9:00

to 9:30. People can come to the porch at

the track. If you're up there at Saratoga,

love to see you. Average age of my students, if

you will, is about 86 at this point.

But you know, we're, I, I kid, I actually had a group of women

who were celebrating one of their 50th birthday.

And then the next week I had a young man and this was really

cool. His parents brought him to the

track for his 18th birthday as as a, and so they said you got

to teach him how to bet. And the best part was I saw him

and his parents towards the end of the day and the kid was up 20

bucks on the day. So I said, hey, we've done our

job. So.

That's how you know the difference.

We have a lot of fun. An 18 year old kid in Kentucky

is not betting for the first time.

No, no, they've been going the window for a long time.

My 8 year old has my 8 year olds cash a lot on exact as I just

got here. I mean I listen I want to say

did you look at the kings plate at all?

Do you have a Play of the Kings plate?

Yeah, actually I just did a video for Naira Bets YouTube on

the Kings plate. So I I talked to Jeff Bratt.

Who's the oh good guys? Up there and so talked about

that. I, I, I, I think it's kind of

Essex Serpent who's the 2nd cast.

I'm going against my boy Prince. I'm going with the number three

and I'll be honest, I think the number 2 horse and I'm

forgetting the name a little bit.

Rapperoo Rapperoos winning the Pigs play this weekend.

That's happened. To the two horse OK, so that's

it. That was my long shot that I

liked in that race. So I I think, you know, you give

me a young horse with ascending speed figures, I just throw

money at those angles. So yeah, I like both those a

little bit more than my boy Prince.

Who's the more? The added distance for Rapperu.

I'm all in the two horse here. We're getting like 910 to one.

Let's go. That's that's my plan.

Rapperu. Yeah, Rapperu all.

Right, like. It well rapperu thank you

Matthew. We'll talk to you next time,

brother. Absolutely.

Thank you so much guys. Really appreciate it all.

Right. There you go, Matthew.

Matthew de Santis, There you go. What's it like to have hair?

I'll tell you what, these guys with his hair and everything.

Else it's a nuisance, like it's a little.

Yeah, it's a real nuisance, yeah.

No, I gotta get cut. Can't just manscape the top

there. No, no, I just.

Manscape. I'm getting a little thin

though. Like, look, you're there.

See? Just got to figure that out.

Oh, there. You go, how about that?

Mike's a liar. Having hair is great.

I agree with Zach. If people want to see me without

hair, go find my House Hunters episode.

Mike was on House Hunters, that's true.

And there was no hair on your face either.

Just clean I bet guaranteed. People probably look at that and

be like, that's not you. Hey, I want to be clear.

No one's going to have to find it on your final episode.

We're going to clip it, Dude. We're playing it on the show.

Whatever, Mike, whatever. Mike hangs it up.

That's what we'll do. I, I have, I downloaded the the

episode to make sure I've got it.

It's on my desktop of my computer.

Funny thing is, is that guy, the guy from that show is we're

doing a transaction right now. So that was 10.

Shut up. Yeah, he's we.

We're working together on something, right?

Now, oh, that's funny. And they're actually, they're

actually one of my favorite real estate stories all the time.

Not this. I'm not going to bore people

with it, but yeah, they, they basically, I had to win them

over a little bit. So, you know, they had had, they

got hurt in the past and they had not had a good person.

And I mean, it wasn't like they were homeless for a week or

anything like that, but they still don't ever.

I wouldn't do it to you, and I didn't do.

It to you. We're not going to mention her

name anyway. Yeah, it is just really, it

really was one of those things that was pretty awesome.

And, well, house hunters. Yeah, there you go.

So there you go. They're out there working it,

getting, getting some old county property, some more Oldham

County. Property.

That's right. There you go.

More Oldham County property. That last phrase, by the way,

Saturday, Saratoga on the bougie turf course.

How about that bougie turf course?

How about that? Yeah, when you when you hear

melon, melon turf course and you hear the state.

Of three things, I think. One thing.

The Melon turf course. Bougie turf course.

No, I think a freaking the Rodney Dangerfield's character

in Back to School, which is Thordon Mellon.

It is right? Thordon Mellon school

businessman. Let's go.

That is one of the most underrated 80s movies of all

time. Isn't.

Ronnie, huh? Isn't Mellon The Mellon school

is the school. Oh, OK.

It's the name of the medical school in Pittsburgh.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. And then Carnegie Melon of.

Course, Yeah, Thornton Melon. I was thinking of fruit, the

turf course and boobs. Boobs, yeah.

Well, boob talk. You go, you're more of the.

Melons. For is melon a word?

Melon. People still say melons.

Nice melons. Nice melons.

I don't really think people say that anymore because they like

they don't want to get hit or sexual harassment charges, but

maybe I. Don't know.

I wasn't talking about that baby.

I was talking about the turf. Course, people actually say that

to him every once in a while. Yeah.

It's not good. Yeah.

Yeah. All right, So that's all we got.

It's all we. Got we're.

Thank you, Matthew. Matthew DeSantis, thanks for

joining us. Twitter followers got good stuff

on YouTube. Hail the menace.

Get out there. It was interesting.

Actually his naira bets feed is really good.

They were, it was interesting because when I was at Delmar

last week, they were, you know, a lot of people there who were

in our group. We, we had 70 like 2GO with us

to Delmar. And then they don't really

understand just para mutual wagering and all that stuff.

And they're like, well, why would they teach you how to bet

or whatever else or tell you who to bet on?

Doesn't, you know, like just explaining to people?

That when the house wants you to get a house, yeah.

They want to keep, they just want you to keep betting as

long. As you win, they make more

money. That's right.

Yeah. So the more you bet, the more

you keep betting, the more that take out is.

It has nothing to do with like. So by the way, next week, busy

week on the show, just so people know, and I am completely

blanket on his name, but but no, we'll have Steve Kornacki for

our preview. We're having Steve Kornacki.

There it is like. Isn't the Democratic National

Convention going on next week in?

How about you don't worry? How about you don't worry about

how big this show is now? Because we are.

Serious. Hey, Kamala, move over.

It is Harris. Thank you for running for

president. It's horse racing happy hour

time. How about that?

Thank you very much. It's happening that is true,

right? And that next week the the.

Oh, no, I have the e-mail right here.

Yeah. And then Wednesday, special

edition of the Horse Racing Happy Hour.

I'm talking with Paul, a different name I had.

Paul Espinoza is the track announcer at Charlestown.

Their big day is Charlestown Classic Friday night.

They do that on purpose, so it's the day before the traverse.

Driving Night Lights, baby. So Friday Night Lights, we'll

have him on. We'll talk the all stakes

sequence. That way then horse is going to

run both. Well, obviously, yeah, yeah,

yeah. It is 1941 after all.

That's right, Right. And and then he's going to be on

Wednesday and Friday with me next week.

On radio. But yeah, Speaking of another

old man. Named Churchill was wearing a

West Virginia shirt. I'm like, bro, if you're if

you're trying to get business, don't wear that here.

Don't do that. What are you doing around here?

That's the only, pretty much the only state that we feel sorry

for that the. No, but like, like Louisville

fans cannot stay in West Virginia.

Yeah, but they don't. I don't think that's how big we

do anymore. I really don't.

No, because Big E is dead. If the Big East is still going,

I think it'd be a bigger. Deal Louisville back in the Big

12, like goes to the Big 12. That's happening, isn't?

It has to play Cincinnati and West Virginia.

That'd be fun. Well, it.

Sounds like the big Big 12 thing's happening.

Well, that would be fun, yeah. I hope that happens when the ACC

just falls apart here pretty soon person.

Yeah, Paul Espinoza, little Steve Kornacki will do the

shows. I I did laugh because I said it

to him, expecting him to say no. Yeah, he's like, Oh, yeah.

He's like, he's like spa, let's go.

Let's go. Let's do this, man.

Come on. There's nothing going on.

They know who their person's going to be.

Let me tell you what she's going to say, blah, blah, blah.

You know? Yeah, it probably.

Already got that? It is.

It is interesting, though, because Kornacki's like an

election history geek. Actually, it's making me feel

like this Democrat National Convention might not be live.

It's already recorded there. Wouldn't that be amazing when

you find out that they just already did it?

It's just done. By the way, if people haven't

seen the video, is it 9092 or 96 whenever the Macarena was out

and they danced the Macarena at the Democratic National

Convention. It's all time great video.

I mean top five political video of all time.

I just Churchill World War 2 speech, Gettysburg Address

Macarena at the Democratic National Convention.

It's not even close. Hillary Clinton gets down, dude.

It's great. I love it that.

High level. Oh geez.

You not seen it? No, I don't want to see it.

I'm I'm still recovering from watching Hulk Hogan.

Join us next week with Steve Kornacki.

Does the Macarena. You understand me?

We're doing it. You think he does the Macarena?

Do do do. I don't even know if I do.

Do, do, do, do. Yeah.

Are you going? To play us out here, Zach,

because I think we're done.