BC Dirt Races Preview | Matthew DeSantis

All right, welcome in special Monday edition of the Horse

Racing Happy Hour. His name is Matthew DeSantis.

I am Louis Rabo. Thanks for hanging out with us

Breeders' Cup Monday. We'll have the draw tonight or

or this afternoon, depending on where you live on the planet.

But Matthew, good day to you, Sir.

How is New York? New York's actually absolutely

beautiful right now and the crazy part is I think there

might be warmer weather here than at Delmar where the highs

are going to be in the 70s this week.

And it is absolutely been a fantastic fall up here in New

York. Couldn't ask for better weather

but excited obviously for the big weekend out of Delmar.

Yeah, no doubt about it. So all one of the questions I

always ask is at a Churchill, at an Aqueduct, who are the jockeys

that aren't taking the trip to Delmar, who are not going to

Breeders' Cup, who's going to have A5 win day on Saturday is

essentially what I'm asking. Who's that guy in New York, you

think? I'll tell you, it's two of them.

It's Dylan Davis, and it's Kendra Starmouche.

They're going to win a lot of races on Friday and Saturday.

So I have a friend of mine, Chase Sessions, who's you, You

know, who's a good guy. And Chase will regularly joke

that this weekend is Kendrick Carmouche Appreciation Weekend

up here in New York because Kendrick usually stays back and

just absolutely crushes and collects some really nice

paychecks up here in New York. I remember a couple years ago, I

forget what the event was, but Leper Roux had like a six win

Sunday just 'cause he was right. Yeah, right.

Yeah, yeah, 'cause he was here and he was here with the damn

thing. So there you go.

We talked to James Welch yesterday, our friend in

Glasgow, Scotland, who I think at this hour is on his way to a

concert. That makes me very jealous.

But we will talk to Matthew today if anyone wants to go hear

that. I cannot recommended enough.

James has given us a single the last four years and all of them

have won. And so get in.

Yeah. And this one's on Juvenile Day,

which is awesome. So get in on that episode we

recorded yesterday, James. Just one of the very best

European handicappers I know. Don't.

Don't you ever. So you and I do a version of

this. So obviously I'm in the media

side, dude, radio and stuff, and you're in the promo side and you

meet a guy like James who just bets for a living and you're

like, I can't be that guy. Yeah, no, you do.

Yeah. You meet people who just they do

nothing but bet. And what's so funny is I was

just actually talking to someone about this last week and they

said, you know, are you going to be betting a lot at the Breeders

Cup and I'll be out there covering it.

And I was like, honestly, no. Like, I will be putting in a lot

of wagers before the day starts, but I get so busy trying to get

content, trying to get winner's circle photos, trying to get

stretch runs, I get paddock stuff that it is a challenge for

me to also bet then on top of that.

So I usually just stick to, you know, some basic bets early in

the day I can fire off before the day gets started.

But credit to people like James who can just do it all the time.

Yeah, no, it's his whole life for sure. jwracing.com.

I don't know why I mentioned it on this episode, but we'll do

that anyway. So you are making the trip.

Yes I'm making the trip. First time ever to Del Mar,

second Breeders' Cup. My only other Breeders' Cup was

in 20/22 for flightline, so I drove 14 straight hours from

Northern Virginia to Lexington just to be able to see that and

it was definitely worth it. So the key that, so we were

there too. We had one of those, I don't

know if you noticed it, but just at the finish line essentially

is where the the grandstand stops a key and there's a little

grassy area next to it where they put all radio row.

So it's like it's it's it was literally, oh, man, Doug

Gottlieb us and then oh, what other show?

And I can't remember what it was that Saturday.

You remember this, how windy it was.

Yes, very. Yeah.

Incredibly windy and I think people don't know from that day.

They listed that track as fast, but they had to put so much

water on it to stop it from just a becoming a Dust Bowl.

I think it might have been good good technically, whatever.

I get why they listed it as fast, but I think all those

times if you go back and look, they're not.

I mean flightline ran like a two O 1.

He did not run a 2O1 race. I think it was purely served.

Right. No, He.

That was one of the more dazzling performances and I'm

glad I made the trip because I thought to.

Myself, that was worth it. You know, I, I don't want to be

that guy who had a chance to see secretary and then was like, I

don't feel like it. And then I was like, no, we're

not. We're not missing out on a

generational talent. No, that's right.

Well, let's get into it, man. You have some promo stuff up

right now that you've been doing essentially similar to this kind

of work. Where can people?

Find that yeah, obviously you find all of our stuff up on

Naira Bets with you go to the YouTube channel that we have

Naira Bets YouTube. Or if you just go to X at Naira

Bets, you can follow me on Twitter at Failed to Menace as

well to get all of that content. But we have Breeders' Cup

previews, we have horse by horse contender spotlight videos.

We have trainer analysis videos as well trying to get you ready

for, you know, the biggest barns and who they're bringing in.

The top contenders will have some content obviously around

the draw today and then we'll also have a lot of content later

in the week in terms of picks and selections and things like

that. Nice.

All right, so Matthew DeSantis with us.

I'll ask you the the horse racing question just to get

started. I am of the opinion that the

Breeders Cup Classic being earlier in the day, being the

start of the late Pick 5, is good for horse racing because it

puts it on a channel where it leads into college football.

It leads into something that millions of people are going to

be watching anyway. You may as well showcase the

sport in front of those people as well.

Do you agree with me, Matthew, or do you think this is

something like, Nah, let's stick with who we are and go ahead and

go with the end of the day, even if it's on CNBC or Peacock?

Well, I'm okay with it being where it is.

And by the way, anybody who knows horse racing knows that

the end of the day is usually a $40,000 maiden claimer.

So ultimately there's always a final race after the big race

and that always cracks me up. And so no, I agree with you when

it's out on the West Coast, this structure just makes a lot more

sense because otherwise you're competing with college football,

You're just also competing for people who at 8:00 at night on a

Saturday are, you know, 7:00 are not going to be interested or

they're doing other things. So to put it in the middle of

the day from a wagering standpoint, it's still obviously

part of the pick 5. So that's not a changing

anything, just changes the dynamics about where it is.

But you want as many eyeballs on the sport as possible for the

biggest race in the sport. Having it earlier in the day.

I I don't have any problem with that at all. 7 dirt races this

weekend. What was your visceral reaction

when you found out idiomatic wasn't going to run?

Disappointment. I mean, it was really I, I just

was really bummed because that was going to be the showdown

between her and Thorpedo Anna. And you know, from a betting

standpoint, it now makes that race.

You know, you have to single or you have to kind of toss

Thorpedo Anna entirely and then use a horse, maybe like an

awesome result or raging sea, the Japanese horse or the Chad

Brown horse to potentially beat her.

But it it just becomes a less interesting early part of the

day, unfortunately, with with her scratching and she that was

going to be such a showdown. I was so excited for it, so very

disappointed. But I'm I'm glad on a certain

level that she was able to go out on top with a huge effort in

the spinster as her final race. When we talked about it

yesterday with James I, all I said to start the conversation

was she owes us nothing. I mean, she ran all the time.

Yeah. And she was super honest in

every effort. I mean, that that that mayor

owes us nothing. So God bless her.

I hope she has a great career, has a bunch of great babies and

all that stuff. But man, it yeah, it Oh,

Matthew, Matthew. Like, I honestly, like, I know,

I know people get like, oh, I drove her flight line.

I'm not going to lie. Like I that was a matchup that

was maybe not flight light level, but it was close for me

man. That was the biggest.

I think that was the biggest matchup probably of the weekend

in terms of two horses that were so far ahead of where everybody

else was and you just go, I just want to see these two run

against each other and we'll see who wins.

I think there are tougher races like the mile.

I think it's just an impossible race to handicap.

I think the Classic is a fantastic race from a betting

standpoint. So I think they're maybe go to

races and there would have been better races even if idiomatic

had run, but that was the premier showdown between the top

two horses in the division. 7 dirt races this weekend.

We start on Friday. the Breeders Cup Juvenile Phillies is a mile

and a 16th on the dirt. 2,000,000 bucks and the Kitty

here. 2 year old Phillies. Of course in this one we see a

lot of contenders, names that you and I will know.

Matthew, I wanted to ask, who do you think is the best 2 year old

you've seen in person this year on the Philly side?

Oh, that's a good question and I've seen in person.

I was you saw Immersive this year when she ran in the.

Yeah, I saw Immersive up in Saratoga and Sarah, she looks

really good and and that was a miserable day of weather when

she won the spin away and the fact that she came from off the

pace, dealing with that sort of slop kickback and track

conditions show just so much ability.

And then to back it up by winning the Alcibidis obviously

next time out, just so impressive.

I will say Scottish Lassie last time out for Jorge Abreu winning

the frizzet, that was a great effort and that was an effort

where I was just so incredibly impressed by the way she was

able to draw off and win that race.

And more importantly, the way that she just looks so strong

coming down to the wire and you know, obviously she'll have to

go and try two turns now for the first time.

That present was a one turn mile.

So there is some questions there.

But Mackenzie's been a really good sire and that's her sire,

good first crop sire. I think she's a really dominant

potential filly here, has the best speed figure from her last

race as a 90. And I'll be honest that when she

crossed the wire, I didn't think she was going to stop until she

maybe got to Del Mar. I mean, she looked that strong

and she was that dominant in that effort, drawing off and

winning by 9. So I think she's 1.

You got to really take seriously here.

But she and Immersive are very good.

And I will say I've not seen this horse in person, but Bob

Baffert's non compliant is no joke.

That's a very, very good horse, and you got to take any horse

that Bob sends out very seriously on Juvenile Friday.

Yeah, I don't see him going over and back-to-back Southern

California Breeders Cups. At some point, he's going to

pick off one of these. I've never quite seen a scene

where a guy like Bob is so upset and so visibly angry how he left

Santa Anita last year on Saturday.

It was it was it was different. And so I think the classic did

not go how he thought. And so it will be fun to see his

group this year, Man, I'll tell you what, American bikini is

legit. And and that that small stretch

out that she's going to have to do here, I don't think will be

an issue. It's amazing to me, Matthew, I

was thinking about this yesterday when we were talking

to James about turf races, especially where so often we see

European horses come over and they're their longest runs on

turf, for example, are at 7 furlogs and they get here in the

mile is just like not a challenge.

So it's pretty, pretty incredible to see.

I expect from American Bikini a big effort as well.

They're out of the Takashi barn as well.

All right, so let's move on. Race 9 is the juvenile itself.

2,000,000 bucks in the Kitty here in a mile and a 16th for

open 2 year old company. I made a lot of names in here

that are super impressive. East Avenue is going to be very,

very difficult to overlook. You've seen Chancellor Mcpatrick

now three times in his three wins over there.

I think Citizen Ball on the West Coast is an underrated runner

here as well. I know you had to watch it on

TV, but in East Avenue, you know the horse Jonathan Swain that

are coming out of Churchill. Super impressive.

But so is Chancellor Mcpatrick. And frankly, the only thing I

worry about with him is the track layout at Del Mar.

He's just not going to have much of A stretch to make a late

move. That's the key, and I think the

key for Chancer is to look at that last race in the champagne,

because what he did there was the exact blueprint.

And I wonder how much Chad Brown and Flavian Pratt maybe talked

about this ahead of time because you made the move on the turn.

That's the key. He went about four wide and

picked off the entire field for going around the turn.

And then when the horse turned for home, guess what only had

one or two horses to track down. You can do that at Del Mar.

And so if you make them earlier, move around the turn and then

suddenly you can now start making up ground in that shorter

stretch over the main track there.

I think it's I think the horse has a really legitimate chance

and you know that there's always going to be pace in these two

year old races on the dirt. There's going to be plenty of

that. He's going to make that run, and

if he can, if he can replicate what he did in the champagne,

making that early move around the turn, then coming from home

he's sitting maybe third or fourth, then I think he's in a

perfect spot to really let that stride just unfurl.

The other words, I'll be honest, that I did get to actually see

in debut that you mentioned is Jonathan's way, who broke his

day, who broke his maiden so impressively up here in

Saratoga. And what made it so impressive

was he kind of blew the start and then circles the field and

draws off and then wins, as you know, wins The Iroquois in

completely different fashion, goes straight to the front and

wires them. So I love that sort of

versatility out of a horse. I think you might get a little

bit more of a price out of him, out of those major contenders.

And so he's one that I'm very interested in from a betting

standpoint. Are you, so we had Brad Cox on a

couple Fridays ago on Rabo and Co and we, I asked him directly,

do you are you able to extrapolate out success at Del

Mar based on that shorter mile and a 16th loop?

Keelan were the shortest stretch and he said yes, absolutely.

And so I, I referenced it in terms of idiomatic right because

of her running style. Del Mar plays to her perfectly

if she were able to run. Are you looking at that at all

for these dirt races? Is that something that you're

taking into consideration like wanting, like you mentioned, a

chance he's going to have to be closer if he's going to win that

race because Jonathan's latest Ave. they're going to be

upfront, man. They're just going to be part of

that early pace. Are you putting that in your

handicapping this weekend? You have to, you have to and you

really need to look at horses running styles.

As a result, I'm actually more bullish on a horse like Chancer

than I am on Sierra Leone I. Agree with.

Us, you know who, who just takes so much longer and you look at

where Sierra Leone is when he turns for home, he's usually 7th

or 8th, you know, and, and about 15 wide.

And so you know, he, he's just got way too much work to do.

I feel like coming from the back of Del Mar, whereas if you have

that versatility to make that move early and then kind of turn

for home and you're in at least a decent tracking position by

that point, you're not giving yourself too much to do.

I think you absolutely have to take that into consideration.

East Avenue, though, what a horse.

I, I think Brendan's got a really good one there.

And the fact that his comments after the futurity, after the

Breeders Futurity where he said the horse has been training

behind other horses, the horse appears to like kickback.

It's not an issue. It's just the last two races.

It just so happened he went to the lead, but he doesn't need

the lead. That sort of talk from Brendan,

he's not one to just kind of blow smoke, I don't think.

And so you take that pretty seriously if that horse has that

sort of versatility. He is Matthew DeSantis.

I failed a menace on Twitter. Find him with naira bets and all

of those things. And if you're in San Diego, just

grab his hat and run away. That's really what I want you to

do this coming weekend. And what you'll discover is he

has terrific care. He doesn't.

He doesn't look like this. I just I he's the one who wears

hats and I don't. And it doesn't make any sense.

But here we are. Horse racing, baby.

Let's go. All right, let's move to

Saturday. Five grade ones on the dirt

there. We start with the Breeders Cup

filly and Mare Sprint. This is 7 furlongs on the dirt.

It's a $2,000,000 race. What are we doing here?

Yeah, two $1,000,000. Excuse me for the Sprint here.

And I mean, I don't know how would love I am with this field.

I I am interested to see Asila get back to the seven furlongs

like she ran in the in the the ballerina.

Excuse me. Society is going to be in here.

Looks like Vava, of course, is going to make the trip.

Any chance you're looking at Zaitlos like I am?

I don't know about Zeitgeist. I, I just, I, I, you know,

that's a horse that I feel like I'm never really on the right

side of. Obviously coming off a nice win

last time out in that Thoroughbred Club of America

Grade 2 down at Keeneland. And, you know, certainly Steve

Asmussen, always a trainer you got to take seriously at the

Breeders Cup. Interestingly enough, I'll give

you this little tidbit. Steve Asmussen, 45% of his

Breeders' Cup starters have come since Gun Runner won in 2017.

That amazes me. That, and you understand why he

gets so emotional when he talks about Gun Runner, because in

many ways that horse changed a lot of things for Asmussen in

terms of the trajectory of his career as a guy who's been

around for decades and decades. But it took him to a whole

nother level after that, and he gets a lot of these Gun Runners

now. And of course, Sightless, though

sired by Curlin. But I just want to bring that up

really quickly. I think Ways and Means is a

pretty serious horse as a three-year old.

I do you know, obviously does have a win against older company

last time out, admittedly a smaller field over a sloppy

track. I like you.

I'm very intrigued by Silla. Bill Mott has been ice cold

everywhere he's been running lately, but he got a big one

yesterday at Churchill Downs with a horse, Sovereignty.

I thought I was so smart, Matthew.

I was like 05:00 to 1 maiden. People are going to avoid this

horse. I'm all over this bleep.

Oh yeah, no. Nothing.

No, 7:00 to 5:00, you'll get nothing and you'll like it.

And so it is. But Silla, what amazed me about

that was the confidence that Mott had to have had in this

horse because runs this horse out of Del Mar in the of August

against a dinner and then wheels the horse back on three weeks

rest back in Saratoga in the ballerina where she runs second.

And then he has not run her since, which tells me I think he

thinks she's sitting on a huge race.

And I think at 7 furlongs she could be really dangerous

tracking the pace. She's got good speed.

She's got all the pedigree you could possibly want to be a

successful of Philly and she's already got multiple greatest

stakes victories too. So she's she's got the class.

Society is a horse. I'll probably be playing against

it in some ways. I I think society is just the

type of horse where when she gets the perfect trip, she's a

little bit like fierceness. Like if she gets the perfect

trip, man, you think she's going to be the dominant Philly

sprinter out there. But whenever anything goes

wrong, when somebody presses her, when she just doesn't quite

get the right setup and she just kind of fails to deliver

sometimes. And so I just think that she's

one LP kind of playing against Bava, super consistent.

I mean, you, you really can't knock her much at all.

A reminder though that we did have Cilla on three weeks rest

and traveling across the country finished ahead of Bava in that

ballerina. So that shows you the paper

don't lie and frankly that race don't lie either.

This weekend, do you plan to to sort of set up your bets?

Are you going to try any of the turf only sequences or the dirt

only sequences? Or are you more of a hey just

give me 4 races in a row? I do like the turf sequences

because I'm a giant nerd and like to watch a lot of European

racing. And so I in my opinion of

American racing is maybe not as high as other people's in terms

of American. So I, you know, I've been, you

know, looking over all those Aiden O'Brien runners, all those

Charlie Appleby runners that are coming over.

And I love playing those turf sequences because the fields are

so massive and you can get really good prices I think,

throughout. Yes, that's also true.

James, by the way, yesterday, first time ever that we've had

him on half a decade of doing these previews with him, he

mentioned 3 Japanese runners on the turf.

Yeah, this coming week. That would be a really

interesting. New nuance for us to have to oh,

they're coming in all spots. Man, they're, they're coming.

I, I, I, I told you that leading up to the Derby, they're coming.

It's only a matter of time. It's not if it's when and

they're going to win these biggest races.

And you just got and the fact that it's out of Del Mar now

this year and next year, they're going to win some big races

these next two years. I think an underrated talking

point about where they have the Breeders Cup is how much they

are very clearly trying to get Japanese runners to show up to

these races. It's not even a question.

And it is very clearly part of a wise plan on their part.

I even made the case that the Kentucky Derby should move away

from the Chelsea path or whatever.

Like, I don't, I don't need Turkey from Kentucky Derby.

Give me more Japanese horses. I'll take 5A year or whatever.

Like just do it. And so I love it.

Yeah, two of the top five this year.

I mean, it's not an accident. So yeah.

And, and look, any other kind of stretch run for every young is

probably your Derby winner. So it is what?

It is. I just watched that replay and

yeah, you're absolutely right. We'll.

We'll get to that race in a minute, but he's Matthew

DeSantis from Naira Bets. Breeders' Cup Disc app will be

the sixth race on Saturday. No idiomatic in this one, but it

is still for $2,000,000. It is still a mile and an

eighth. I mean, really tough to pick

against Lorpito Anna, but who, who else stands out in this

field? Awesome results, I think comes

in in just absolutely spectacular form.

Yeah, And she's the one who stands out the most and I think

she'll probably end up being your second choice from on the

betting line in all likelihood. But she's one who is undefeated

7 for seven coming off a grade one win in the Breeders Gold Cup

over there going a mile and a quarter.

Hello. So she can get the distance.

That's not a problem at all. And she looks really good.

I mean, they, they've had her. On the track, she.

Looks great out of Del Mar. She's settled in beautifully.

She's got a great temperament. Yataka Taki's going to be up on

the mount, who's just a legendary jockey for North

American fans who might not know him.

He's basically Frankie Dettori and Johnny Velasquez and you

know who knows everybody else kind of rolled up into.

What's up, Patty? He.

But I think she's really serious and to me, I Candide is a nice

horse, but she's never been the horse I think that can challenge

I I and you kind of saw that in the spinster where she kind of

tried to make a move on idiomatic.

And then idiomatic was like peace, see you later, just like,

yes, Ionara. And so I just don't think

Candide is quite fast enough for this race.

I will say the other horse that you know, people might look to,

but that I am kind of against in this regard is Raging Sea, who

won the personal Ensign over idiomatic.

That was a perfect pace set up for her, though.

That was the day where Flo decided for some reason

Idiomatix should go eyeball to eyeball with randomized and that

was maybe not the best decision. He won the battle, but he lost

the war and ultimately raging sea came up to win.

But she was not particularly impressive last time out in the

Beldame as a one to nine favorite, winning it by head.

And so I just think she needs a little bit of a setup and quite

frankly torpedo Anna now that Idiomatix out should be kind of

lone speed or or potentially in a very, very comfortable pace

position in this race. Yeah, it's hard to see who in

this race is going to be able to push her on early speed,

especially Raging Sea might be it.

But I even imagine with her it's going to be just off, right?

And then you're going to have to pray that you're faster than

Thorpedo Anna in a short stretch, and I just don't see

it. I that that one feels like a

reach. Which of course means Thorpedo

Anna will finish 4th and the trifecta will pay $3,000,000.

All right, all right. So Part 2 of our dirt races

preview for Breeders' Cup weekend with Matthew DeSantis.

We get into the Breeders Cup Classic now bottle quarter on

the dirt there at Del Mar look Arthur's ride, city of Troy.

And you know, I wanted to ask you before we really get into

this, Matthew, your your sort of general opinion here.

Will you take a three-year old or will you take an older horse

in this race this weekend? If I only gave you those

options. Interesting.

I would only go with if you gave me forced me to say is a

three-year old or older going to win?

I'd say a three-year old. I, I think the three-year olds

are just that much better and have that much more upside.

And I think it is an indictment on how we are kind of currently

doing some things in this sport that we are retiring everybody

and their cousin basically as soon as their three-year old

year is over. And as a result, your top 4 year

old horse maybe is like what Highland Falls.

I mean it just who's a nice horse.

Don't get me wrong, I like him, but that might be your best of

that older group. And so I will gladly take a

combination of fierceness. Sierra Leone, City of Troy,

forever young. I'll take those four and I'll

take my chances with those. I'd feel pretty good.

We'll run through the field now and just kind of give me an

idea, not if you think they can win, but rather if you'd be

surprised if they did. Let's go through it sort of that

way. Arthur's ride is in here.

Would you be surprised if he picked this one off?

I would. I just think that Jockey Club

Gold Cup was a little bit of a blueprint of how to beat him at

a mile and 1/4 and I don't see people, I don't see fierceness

giving him an easy lead. I think, you know, Johnny V is

going to be kind of attached to his hip if he's if that post

positions kind of work out that way.

The Mott barn has been incredibly cold lately, too.

City of Troy coming over, trying dirt, very clearly a move.

And we talked about this with James yesterday.

They're trying to get it. They're trying to get a stallion

here, right? This is a, this is a stallion

move that this is a stallion making kind of race, of course,

so to justify. So we know at least that the

breeding's there, but we see so many justifies so good on the

turf as well. Thoughts on city?

Would you be surprised if he won?

No, I wouldn't be surprised if he won at all.

He is so talented and he has a great forward running style as

well. He's not that typical European

turf turf force that has that, you know, devastating late turn

of foot and runs, you know, old runs on late.

He's got great early speed. Does he have enough speed to

beat Arthur's ride to the first turn or fierceness?

Maybe not, but I think he could sit third or fourth in the early

going in this race. And listen, whether it's turf,

dirt, synthetic cement, I just, I, it's hard to bet against

Aiden O'Brien too. So he knows what he's doing when

it comes to training. Derma Sodagake is going to make

the trip. We last saw him stateside in the

Breeders Cup Classic, running second off of a Kentucky Derby

six months prior. Do you give Derma a chance here?

I you're, you're damn right we do.

At least I do. I love Derma Soda Kakte.

He's a weird horse. He's a quirky horse.

He's a horse that always seems to have kind of hard luck

sometimes, you know, even like I know a couple times back

Christophe Lemaire got hurt on the undercard of the race and

they had to kind of quickly adjust to Ocean Murphy riding

the horse kind of at the last second.

And so he got bit in the eye by one of his stablemates one time

on the flight over to Saudi Arabia.

It's just like things happened to this horse.

You're just like, oh, why is this happening?

But like you said, hadn't run in six months last year leading up

to the Breeders Cup and ran a really good second to white a

barrio that day can get the distance, I think.

And the other thing I'll mention is he he ran in that one TV

high, the Nippon TV high, which Phuchpa Tesoro also ran in as a

prep race. He clearly needed that.

He he faded a little bit late there.

I think second back now he'll be ready to go.

Sodagaki, of course, the son of one of the finest names in the

history of horse racing, mind you, Biscuits.

So fierceness in here as well. I assume we're both on this

train. He runs this race.

He's got a serious shot here. Absolutely, but I would say he

is very post dependent. I would be shocked if Fierceness

won the Breeders Cup from post one through 3.

If he draws outside, I would not be shocked at all.

And in fact, he will be on all my tickets.

But I feel like Johnny V needs this horse to kind of be in that

stalking, tracking outside spot that he's so comfortable in that

he ran in the Travers basically that he ran in last year's

Breeders' Cup Juvenile in that out of Santa Anita.

That's what he needs him inside, taking kickback, potentially

behind horses. That's not what fierceness does.

So I think he's a little bit more post dependent.

That's something to pay attention to on Monday.

I know it's only 4 lbs, but this race being a handicap, does it

stand out to you that Fierceness is running at 122 rather than

1/26 or anything like that? Maybe a little bit.

I, I, I've not, there are some people who are weight truthers

far more than I am. I, I think it matters in like 2

year old races sometimes. And I think it matters when you

see, you know, an apprentice, you know, when the, when the bug

gets up there. And sometimes you get a 789

pound difference between that. I also think sometimes it

matters when you see European horses coming over and they've

been carrying like 136. Now they're 122 and you're like,

oh, this is going to feel like a breeze for them.

And so this, you know, I, those are kind of more extreme

examples. 4 lbs I don't pay as much attention to.

Forever Young is a bump in the stretch in the Kentucky Derby,

away from being 7 for seven lifetime.

I have to imagine you, like me, think he's got a massive chance

on Saturday. He has, you know, he has a huge

chance and and he might very well end up being my top pick in

this race. Actually, I I I love forever

young. You're absolutely right.

If not for him and Sierra Leone deciding to just have their own

personal dispute in the stretch at Churchill Downs, they they 11

or the other would probably beating Mystic Dan in that race.

And you're right, has never lost otherwise.

And the one thing that concerns me about Forever Young is he

does have gait issues. He had it last time out in the

Japan Dirt Classic. If you watch that race from the

inside rail in the inside post position, he stumbled out of the

gate. He had a bad start in the Saudi

Derby as well. So he does have these gait

issues occasionally. You got to clean that up at Del

Mar that there's too much speed in this type of a race.

If you are 1/2 step slow, if you stumble out, the race could be

over in the 1st 30 seconds. Godolphin will send Highland

Falls to the starting gate for the Breeders Cup Classic.

Got to feel good for a small group like Godolphin getting a

starter in a race of this magnitude.

You give him a chance here. You know, I, I do only because

of the mile and 1/4. And I, you know, I saw Chris, if

you looked at the Jockey Club Gold Cup, I'd be, I'd be more

surprised than some of these others that we've been talking

about. I mean, he definitely would be

kind of the the most surprising out of the least surprising, if

that makes any sense at all. And so but.

What, 10 to 112 to one on him maybe?

Yeah, that's the thing. You're going to get a price.

I think in that regard, it's an honest price.

And he's a horse, Louis, that really has flown under the

radar, I feel like. And because he didn't break his

maiden until he was kind of later as a three-year old and at

Ellis Park. And I think some people

overlooked that. And then he runs at Churchill a

little bit and then down at Fairgrounds.

And the next thing you know, out of nowhere, he's going from

$50,000 optional claimers and he runs in a big cap in a Grade 1.

And Cox has him there and you go, what's this horse doing

here? Like it does this make sense?

He runs 4th and then he hasn't missed the exacta since then.

So and he's got the blame and he's got the Jockey Club Gold

Cup is win. So, you know, he's a, he's a

good horse. He's a really good horse.

Lost to TAP at Trice, who we'll talk about in a minute in that

Monmouth Cup earlier this year, late July in New Jersey.

Meekstow is here. Let's go Meekstow.

Let's go 55 to one. Let's go Meekstow.

What's say you about Bigstow? If, if Mixdo is 55 to one, I owe

you a bet or something because I think Mixdo is going to be about

100 to one. And so no, I'd be stunned if

Mixdo won this race. Oh.

Man, what does the Pacific Classic mean for the Breeders

Cup Classic? Find out next.

All right, and then we go on. Newgate is here.

I think you have a different opinion of Newgate.

I think you're you're pretty high on him.

Didn't show his ass behind in that final stretch there with

Substandador at all. I thought that California crown,

for all the fun that people made of the Kelly crown ended up

being a fun day of races. Actually really working out as a

nice day of racing there at Santa Anita.

Finishes a decent third in that one.

You give him a shot here. I do only because that was a

decent third off of a really long layoff, having not run

since, since running overseas and we talked about it in the

juveniles. Am I really discounting Bob

Baffert in Southern California? Like, I mean, just how many

times can we fade his horses in big spots here?

And, and admittedly, Bob does not have as much success in Del

Mar as he has at other places. And so, and it's something to

keep in mind, but I think Newgate is one of those kind of

sneaky horses. Would I be stunned?

No, and I think reasonably. I think the sources want to at

least think about including in something like a trifecta.

He's been working that old 5 and 6 furlong time workout.

Classic, classic effort. That's right.

Yeah, that's a classic effort. 6565 next is next.

I don't give him much of a shot here just because he's he's a

marathoner in the very best way. He's plotting is a word we use

in horse racing and I think if you didn't know horse racing,

you would think we're being negative about him.

Simply not the case. I don't give him a huge shot

here just cause of the layout of the track, the the distance, all

that. I don't think I'd be shocked if

he won though. Matthew.

I wouldn't be shocked. It would be awesome.

I think if you want it. What an amazing story would be

for the gelding, you know, with with rather modest connections

and a jockey who's come under quite a bit of a heat over the

last month, Luan Machado to get this win.

But you're right, I think the question with him is how does

his early speed translate against this group?

Because when he's running against these dirt marathoners,

he's sitting second. Usually.

He's kind of in that stalking position.

He ain't going to be in a stalking position, I don't

think. Or, or if he does, Machado's

using him up too much early in the race and he might not have

it coming for home then in the way that he always does.

That said, the one thing I'll say is when did you ever see

Luan Machado go to the crop with next?

And so the argument I think you could make with him is kind of

an argument I made with Thorpedo Anna leading up to the Travers,

which was Brian Hernandez Junior never really asked her more than

once in the stretch. And what happens when you

actually ask a horse repeatedly for their best?

Well, we saw what torpedo Anna did in the Travers running a

career best buyer speed figure could next have a whole nother

gear that we just don't even know about because he's never

been asked to even do it. So I think that he's got a shot.

I wouldn't be shocked, but he's going to be more of a price too,

which is, you know, it's better than betting him at 1:00 to

9:00, that's for sure. Pyrenees comes in here.

I got to see that horse win the Pimlico Special this year.

Came back in the Foster and I thought Grand Well Kings Barns

was easily the best horse that day.

Gave it a try behind Kyle. It falls in the Jockey Club Gold

Cup up there at Saratoga. Do you give a Pyrenees much of a

chance here? I, I don't give Pyrenees much of

a chance to win. I'd be a little surprised if

that horse won. I do think that this is the

prime example of a horse you want to include in your

superfecta or something like that.

Like this horse typically runs their race and it isn't a deep

closure necessarily. You know, he's going to sit more

of a mid pack trip and could just kind of trip out to some

extent, as they like to say, and kind of get the right setup in

front of him. So I I think that one at a price

could be interesting in some of your deeper verticals.

I I, I try to remind people and you and I had talked about

seeing flight line at Keeneland. Do you remember what the flight

line exacta paid in the Breeders Cup Classic with Olympian?

I I want to say it paid. I paid some 20, some bucks 18.

To 1:18 to. 1. OK, So what I'm saying is if you

can figure out who you who's in that second spot of the exact of

the Breeders film classic, you can make some money because

there's no freaking flight line in this field.

Even if a city of, you know, city Troy comes over and wins,

If you get a Pyrenees in second spot, you're going to get 30 to

one. I mean, those numbers are legit.

You might shoot, you might get 40 to one.

I don't know, but that is I remember I gave out Olympiad as

my like, look, he's not going to win, but he's going to be there

at the end. Yeah, yeah, I remember hit the

exact. I was like, wait what?

18 to one with one here we. Go That was a prime example of

it's funny. It's funny you say that because

I, I didn't even necessarily like Olympiad that day, but I

remember looking up at the board about two minutes to post and I

was standing next to Sarah El Bodwi and I looked at Sarah and

I said, holy crap, I go Olympiads 28 to one.

I go, what's this like, what are you doing here?

And I just thought table was taking too much money and life

is good was taking too much money.

And I was like, no, like, what are we doing?

I was like, it's clearly going to be a horse like Olympiad

that's going to run because that's another one that likes

the mile and 1/4 and can do that.

And I was like, you know, let's let's go with it.

And so that was a very last second wager that I made of a

flight line over Olympiad. That was one of the better bets

I made all the all day that day. That's exactly where I paid for

my day, for sure. Yeah, I think I just.

I think I $10 cold, cold, exactly that.

Expecting to maybe get 100 bucks back.

Yeah, maybe. You know, and then like $200

shows up in my cap. We'll take it, right?

Rattle and rolls next on the list.

I do not have a super high opinion of rattle and roll in

this field. I didn't like how rattle and

roll in the Haggard Fayette this weekend this past weekend, which

he scratched out of to go to the classic, so I have a hard time

thinking that I'm going to like him at all in the classic.

I love Kenny Mcpeak, God bless him, but I just don't see any

Ave. to win for this horse. Oh, and this horse in 2023 when

he was running every six days, Fantastic.

Yes, Right. Yeah, No, no.

Like I I love it too, because gosh, what were the two races?

I'm trying to, I'm looking now. He ran the Pimlico special, came

back in the blame in three weeks and he won both.

And he won the blame like passing a bunch of horses in the

stretch too. And I just remember thinking you

can run your horses. It's going to be OK.

Like to hold up. It's going to be OK.

And rattle and roll is doing it. It's rattle and roll.

We call, man. OK.

All right. OK.

Anyway, sorry. Sorry, everybody.

Sorry. Sorry.

Senor Bouscador, because of the layout of the track in the short

stretch of San Diego at Del Mar, makes me think he doesn't have a

great shot here. What says Matthew DeSantis?

Yeah, I would agree. And he's also not even showing

really good form right now, coming off a pretty poor effort

in the California crown. I mean, it would be one thing if

he was showing kind of a more competitive late run, but you

know, if you're going to bet on a deep closer, a couple of

horses that we're we still haven't gotten to yet are the

ones that I'd rather bet on. Of course, Senor Abuscador, the

winner of the San Diego Handicap at Del Mar, so he does have a

win over two turns at Del Mar in the dirt.

Sierra Leone's here. I think you and I are different

on him. I think I'm very different than

most people on Sierra Leone. I see the talent, but I'm a

little tired of being told how great this horse is when he

doesn't win races. But Matthew, I noticed on the

PPS, he's training at Belmont, which is interesting.

So, so Chad Brown's got him in the city.

Do you know anything about that? Yeah, it's interesting.

There's a lot of, there's been some buzz around the connections

of Sierra Leone that perhaps he just didn't like Saratoga very

much and he would not be the first horse not to appreciate

the main track up at Saratoga that I mean, they're the long.

Reputation of. Losing up there, yeah.

And so it is one of those things where if you look, he just never

really kind of made the same sort of run up at Saratoga that

he did at some of these other tracks.

When we saw him at the Bluegrass, when we saw him at

the Risen Star, heck, even in the Kentucky Derby when making

his his big run late. The the issue that I have with

Sierra Leone is while he does have that strong late run, he is

a little bit more of a grinder in that regard.

And I just feel like he has to get underway a lot sooner.

He's got to start making his move around the third turn and

start picking horses off around the turn so that when you're

turning for home you don't have eight horses to pass.

And I think that's going to be a major issue for him.

So I like him a little bit more I think than most.

I think you'll get more of a price on him then you will have

any of the last three times out, that's for sure where he's been

burning money as your morning, as your betting line favorite.

So, you know, in that regard he's a better bet, but it

certainly is going to be running against some of the track biases

that we've seen at Del Mar in terms of favoring front end

speed. You ready for my Sierra Leone

hot take? He's actually just a slightly

more talented next like I bet if you if you now they paid 2.3

million for this horse. So I don't know what they're

going to do. And you've already mentioned

that he's probably retired since we started doing this podcast,

but the I think I he's the kind of horse, if he followed next

schedule next year, I think he'd pick off over easily a couple

million in purses. I'm not going to I I think just

put him in that, put him in that in that category.

Just let him go see. No, he would just, I think it's

going to be interesting. And, and the other thing I'll

say is with all the retirements, honestly, if he just runs the

typical 4 year old schedule next year, he could just start

collecting a lot of paychecks. And part of me also thinks he's

a little bit like Midnight Bourbon, who's a horse I always

loved and who had a different running style, admittedly, but

was always second, was always third, you know, never won.

I always thought it was this was going to be the race for

Midnight Bourbon and never and never was.

And but you know what he did? He cashed a lot of checks and

you know, he made a lot of people a lot of money and Sierra

Leone can do the same thing. And you know, he's never been

out of the exact or never been out of the trifecta, never

missed the board. So kind of a foolish horse, I

think in that regard to leave off your ticket.

Well, and if he's like his dad, he's going to do his best

running next year and the year after.

I was just talking to someone about this Louis.

I I feel like those Gun Runners have been so precocious at two

that we forget the Gun Runner himself was a late developing

horse and that some of these Gun Runners are going to be even

better at four and five years old.

But it's kind of the curse of having precocious 2 year olds is

that you get a grade one at 2:00, you got another one at

three. Hey, you got your, you got your

stud deal done basically. And so we're not seeing as many

of these Gun Runners as they get older, but I think that's when

they're going to be at their best.

Skippy, you give him a chance. I give him no chance.

I love Skippy. We need more horses like Skippy

in this sport who are just honest Grade 2 and grade 3

winners. But I just I'd be stunned if you

was jumped up and won a Grade 1 here.

In your face, Everyone that goes to the Charlestown Classic,

That's right. Eat it, Eat it.

Everyone else. That's right.

That's Skippy's race. You get the hell out of here.

All right, tap a trice. I'm going to guess, Mr. New

York, that you've become and sold out the rest of America.

I'm going to guess that you love tap a trice and you're going to

tell me why he's got his truck. I don't know if I love tap a

trice, but I I like tap a trice maybe more than those.

I wouldn't be stunned if he won and I I say that only because

he's got that big stride. I think much like fierceness, he

is post dependent and inside post position is not going to be

advantageous. He's always struggled at the

start of races. He sometimes can be his own

worst enemy. He was kind of like that last

time out in the Woodward. And then what happens is he gets

out in the clear and then he just starts motoring people down

and he can really go when that stride gets fully extended.

And again, the key is I rather artiste junior is going to be

riding him here if he can get him sitting any sort of a mid

back trip rather than come being further back and keeping them

out in the clear. Because here's the thing, that

horse can run for days as well. Much like Sierra Leone, he can

run for days. Don't just don't even worry

about saving ground. Just keep him in the clear.

Just let him go and be comfortable.

And then and then we'll see. So he's going to be on some of

my vertical tickets for sure. Look for Skippy out there.

An old Tapatrice. Man oh man, how about Ushba?

You got to sorrow in your tickets.

I he I wouldn't be shocked if he won, but I will say I have him

ranked as the third out of the three Japanese runners.

I like Derma and I like forever young more.

Ushpa's very, very good horse, but again has that late running

style. I think it just sets up so well

that Saudi Cup sets up so well for him being that one turn 9

for a long race. I think he is actually kind of

would be an elite one turn horse because I think he just gets

more of a pace set up in those sorts of configurations than he

does two turns. So I just don't worry about

that. But you can't argue with his

form. I mean, he's just incredibly

consistent throughout his. Career Breeders' Cup Sprint is

race 10-6 furlongs on the dirt there at Del Mar 2 million in

the Kitty here. We won't go a horse by horse,

but are there two or three that stand out to you here?

Yeah, I mean, listen, if if domestic product runs here

versus the Dirt mile certainly is going to be an interesting

one. I know you and I probably share

the same opinion, which is he'd be graded A1 turn mile and he's

not getting that unfortunately. And so it's either A2 turn mile

or a six for a long race. I think 6 for a longs might be a

little short for him and might be up against it at that

distance. I do really like a horse like

Mufasa as well, although again question whether or not he's

going to run here or in the Dirt mile.

So we'll just have to wait and see out of the horses that are

in this race. I do think a horse like Federal

Judge for Brad Cox looks really dangerous, has outstanding early

speed in this race. But there's a lot of speed in

this race because you can also look at a horse like Straight No

Chaser as well as a horse like Mulliken.

I think those three all are going to be presenting front end

pace pressure and the question is, are they going to burn each

other up too much on the front end?

And could a horse, you know, come from off the pace?

And maybe one like Nakatomi, who doesn't win all the time but

does have that win Let 2 back in the Alfred G Vanderbilt

Handicap, Could a horse like that come from off the pace and

get the win? It just depends whether or not

those you know, Federal Judge and Straight No Chaser and

Mullican kind of duel each other into submission on the front

end. Raging Torrent is a front runner

does seem to do his best running at 7 furlongs, but with the

chosen fraud not being in this one, you give Raging Torrent

much of much of a chance here. Is it just too short for me

think? I wonder if it's too short for

him and I do wonder if he's got the same level of early speed

that some of the others do. He's not really ever 1 coming

from off the pace he tends to. He didn't as a maiden in debut,

going 5 at Del Mar, which is notable that the horse does have

a couple of wins at Del Mar. But the last three wins for Doug

O'Neill have all been Gate Dwyer jobs, and I just wonder if

that's maybe not going to be the setup that he gets on Saturday.

Final race is the Breeders Cup. Dirt a mile will be race 12 on

Saturday. 1,000,000 bucks and the Kitty here.

We're going a mile on the dirt 3 and up here.

Shout out to our friends and big ass fans.

Where did you land in the dirt mile?

Which I think sets up as just a spectacular closer for this

card. Yeah, it really is a very fun

race. And, you know, obviously a lot

of people are going to look at a horse like Cesar de Grey coming

off a Wayne in the Pennsylvania Derby, although almost criminal

to let that horse get away with those fractions in that race.

I don't know how. I don't know what the rest of

the jockeys were doing or if anybody just was like looking

around or if D Wayne was waving his cane at people or what was

going on to kind of get people to not, you know, press that

horse. But if you let if you let Cesar

de Grey go 49 and 1:00 and 1:13 and 4:00, he's going to go gate

to wire. He's going to do it every single

time. The horse that I'm really

interested in is Saudi Crown. This is a horse that I had an

incredibly high opinion of earlier this year and I thought

was kind of be on the precipice of having a really huge 4 year

old campaign. I thought he was kind of maybe a

slightly lesser version of Life is Good.

An elite at a mile can get 9 furlongs under the right

circumstances. I thought he ran a hell of a

race over and seas and running third in that Saudi Cup.

I thought that was a huge race. Clearly took a lot out of him

though. And the fact that he came back

in the Godolphin Mile and ran so poorly that day and then Cox

brings him over here and I'll be honest, I would I did not

anticipate saying the RA Cowboy Jones had a prep race before the

Breeders Cup and that was one where you know, he won that

race, but maybe not as impressively as he would have

had has not run since. I know you had mentioned that

maybe the Akak had been the goal, but that didn't work.

He. Was going to run on that Akak

and then Hurricane Helene just sat here for three days and

reigned. And we just, I, I get it because

it was a foot of slop. And so if the horse wants to go

to Breeders' Cup, go ahead and run it.

It's fine. But, and, and look, Churchill,

I, I, I, I should be careful. They do a great job with the

dirt course here. I should be very careful with

what people have said about it the last couple of years.

Excuse me, what people have lied about the last couple of years

about the dirt course here, Turf course, very different

conversation. I'll have that conversation all

day. But the dirt course here at

Churchill Downs is wildly safe and they do a good job with it.

So anyone could have run in that ACAC.

I just think that Brad Cox has the same opinion as you, which

is, is he capable of winning the dirt mile?

Yes. Is it worth it to run him in the

slop and potentially tire him out to the point that he's not

ready for the Dirt mile? The answer is right.

Yeah. Right.

So I think that's where he was with the horse.

Yeah. Anyone else stand out in here?

Because I'm with you. I do think sees the great.

I think it actually sets up more like which race would I want to

compare it to? Probably the Jim Dandy where

we're going to see him on the front.

But it's going to be faster than what he really wants to do.

And eventually he'll get passed by somebody.

If you own domestic product, are you in the sprinter?

Are you in this race? I'm in this race.

I would be in this race 100% of the time because here's the

thing about domestic product, he can handle two turns.

We saw him win this Tampa Bay Derby in one of the more bizarre

events of this past year when the horses just walked around

the paddock for an hour and a half while there was a tote

issue. I ended up being a non wagering

event, but but he can get the distance and he doesn't mind the

configuration. I think he's best around one

turn, but he's got enough speed early to 2nd, 3rd and so I don't

think the configuration's a non starter here.

If he's in this race, he's a really strong contender and he's

going to be on my tickets for sure.

The other horse I mentioned, and it might lead to people taking a

drink on this show, I don't know, but I will say is post

time. Oh, come on.

I damn you, Johnny Piasik, I can't do it.

This is the Britney Russell horse who I I tell you this

horse is pretty good and I the. It's the next video.

Out there at Del Mar and the horse is taken to the conditions

and looking good and training good.

I don't know this horse. If there's too much speed on the

front end, post time's going to make a run and and potentially

be a contender. I don't like you anymore,

Matthew Nasanos. I mean, I didn't like, I didn't

like it before, but it is what it is.

All right. Man, oh man, this dirt Mile is

just spectacular. I mean, it is, it is just

absolutely spectacular. I'm very, very excited about it.

I, I have a weird feeling about TO sanity in this race for

whatever reason. I think his run in the slop at

Churchill back in the beginning of May was very, very

impressive. And I think he showed in that

mile of the 16th LE Sheba that I think he can do it over a mile

here, man. And so I'll be interested.

He was horrible last time out. Yeah, it's too high.

But I, I don't know, I, I something about it, something

about shipping him over. I think it's not an accident

that he's making. Well, yeah, you don't, you don't

ship a horse across the Pacific for nothing.

And and I and I think more than anything, I think more than the

success that Derma's had or Forever Young or Ushpatisoro.

I think the fact that Teo St. Denis ran as well as he did in

the Ali Sheba, that actually shows you how far Japan has

come. That a horse that was not even

highly regarded necessary or is as highly regarded comes over

here and almost wins a grade 2, you know, and almost kind of

runs away from the field that day and ends up being grade two

placed over here. That shows you just how

competitive. Reminds me a little bit last

year when Mandarin hero came over and almost won Santa Anita

Derby like and, and was coming from one of their lesser tracks

supposedly over in Japan to do that.

So I, I think it just shows you people who think about Japan.

They have 19 horses in the pre entries.

We'll see how many actually draw into the main fields, but you

know, it shows you just how far the sport has come over there.

There you go. Well he is Matthew DeSantis.

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People stop, stop this like oh I only use one ADW for 30 years

when you can get free money from other ones. 4 to one pays the

same on every app. Matthew, what can people get

from Naira Bets? Listen, we got a lot of promos

if you sign up right now using the code Cup 25 up to a $200

match deposit bonus as well as a free $25 bet.

So hey, you can do that to cash 4 to one tickets if you like or

40 to one tickets if you'd like. So definitely check that out.

We'll have an exact boost on every race on Friday and

Saturday. We got other promos as well.

But here's the thing, we also have a lot of free resources.

So even if you don't use naira bets, head over to naira bets

YouTube, go to nairabets.com, download the app.

We have plenty of content for you in terms of trainer

analysis, horse by horse analysis, race analysis for not

not just the Breeders Cup, but all the biggest races across the

country, across the world. It's all completely free.

We just want to connect betters to the best information out

there. And you know, like I said, if

you bet with us, great, but if not, it's still all out there

for you. There you go.

Well, he is Matthew DeSantis. He.

OK, so we got to talk about this.

We're both going to be at Delmar this weekend.

I'm doing a ridiculous event at Excalibur Cigar and Scotch

Lounge at which you could probably smoke and drink for

free. Is this something that interests

Matthew hat wearing DeSantis? You you had me at ridiculous.

And so I yes, I would of course, like, Oh, I, oh, I'm so against

having a good time in Southern California.

Like yes, I would like to do this very much.

So, all right, well, there you go.

Maybe you'll all see the glasses and a hat of what Matthew

DeSantis said. Excalibur cigar. 8:00 PM.

God, the hair. I hate you so much.

That's that is the hair of a man with no children.

That's what that is, folks. 100% correct.

And this is the hair care of someone with way, way, way too

many children. All right, well, there you go.

All right, Well, he's Matthew DeSantis at failed the menace

and at naira Bets for everything that he does.

He is not kidding his Facebook or excuse me, Facebook, his

YouTube page as good as it gets in horse racing.

You and Dan Ellman, I think do the best job of anybody out

there. So big fans.

I love that I get to have both of you on the show.

And he has the personal endorsement of Steve Kornacki,

another friend of the show. All right, friends.

All right, Matthew, I will see you Friday or Thursday or

Saturday or something. Absolutely look forward to

seeing you, Louis. Yeah, I appreciate it, man.

We'll see you. There you go, Matthew.

To say this Naira bets get him out of here on the horse racing

happy hour again if you are in Louisville, 6:00 PM Tuesday

night, so tomorrow as I record this or Tuesday if you happen to

be listening on the day of 6:00 PM at BA Colonial 8/18 Kenwood

Dr. come out and see us there. You're going to have to navigate

a little bit of that Halloween traffic tomorrow night around

Iroquois Park, but we will see you then.

My name is Louie Robo at Radio Louie on Twitter.

We will see you tomorrow for more Breeders' Cup previews.