BC Saturday Preview w/ Sean Collins & Danny Brewer

All right, welcome in Horse Racing Happy hour and of course

Rabo and Co ESPN 680-1057. We are paddock side here at Del

Mar Racecourse in Southern California, South of Encinitas

but north of San Diego. Joined by two friends for the

first segment at least. My friend from Blood Horse, his

name is Sean Collins. Find him AP Pharaoh 12 on all

the socials you can join. Man, what you went over a major

it was it a a subscription milestone, a viewership

milestone both what happened the other day.

But we got both earlier this month.

We had 10 million views right at the beginning of October.

And then about a week after that, we hit our 20,000

subscriber. We're already closing in on

22,000, believe it or not, by the end of this month.

So yeah, it's been a crazy month.

Spectacular stuff. Sean deserves all of it because

he's everywhere all the time. I'm a little a little concerned.

Are you one of these guys you had you're you're actually

triplets and I don't know which one of you I'm hanging out with.

I mean how does this? One, that's exactly right.

I have to go home after this and brief everybody on what I talked

to you about so that way the other two know what to talk to

you about next time. That's OK, all right.

And Danny Brewer, of course, our our guy from the Sports Brew and

Horse Racing Scoop. All of the things Tennessee's

best quaffed turf writer. How are you, Danny?

Are you doing OK? Oh.

I'm doing outstanding, you know, we're here at Delmar and like

I've long said, if having a lot like Delmar, I don't want to go.

I was, I was having this debate in my head and this is the silly

horse racing debate and all of us are territorial about what is

our home track and what we like and all these things.

I'm very defensive of Churchill because it's where I fell in

love with horse racing. I know you consider Churchill

your home track, Danny, living just outside of Nashville.

It's just, you know, it's right up 65.

It is what it is. I know Kentucky now.

It's just starting to sneak in for you a little bit.

Sean, what do you consider if someone asked you what's your

home track, 'cause I know you didn't grow up in Kentucky, but

what do you consider your home track?

Well, I've kind of have two if you wanna go based off of where

I grew up, I'm gonna go Penn National in Pennsylvania and

then Churchill. I've just, I've been at

Churchill Downs more than any other race track.

I'm there pretty much almost every day for the last seven

years. So that's essentially become my

home track. There you go.

And I is Churchill still, I mean Kentucky Downs.

So I know they're they're creeping in on you, Danny.

Kentucky Downs is because man, the fabulousness of of the horse

racing that's going on there, the money's bringing the talent

and man, you know, it's it's a fantastic meet seven days this

year outstanding. But you know Churchill because I

can go there multiple times throughout the year.

So Churchill still is home track, but Kentucky Downs is

like the home away from home. I.

Hated to say it because I, I love, I love coming out here.

I, I don't know if you guys have these places in the world where

people tell you, oh, don't go to LA, it's this, don't go to

Detroit, it's this. And then you go to the place and

it's charming and you enjoy it and the people are kind.

That's Southern California for me, man.

It just is right. And so one of the best things

about going to Keeneland, for example, is you stop in for

sales or something for dinner on the way home and the people are

kind of, the food's good and it's cheap and whatever else.

I don't know, I come out here and I have a great time.

The people are kind. I had a great time in Santa

Anita last year. I fell in love with Santa Anita

last year, frankly, you know, and it just, I, I don't know, I

don't know, maybe it's just horse racing.

Maybe I'm just in a good mood 'cause it's a big weekend, who

knows, but I don't know, I just, I feel like I, I have these

great experiences over and over again.

Hanging out with Danny Brewer and Sean Collins here on ESPN

681057. We're paddock side at Del Mar

for Breeders' Cup 2024. Looking at some of the

narratives around here, I think, you know, let's start with

positive. No, we'll go negative right away

on this show. I Breeders Cup's gonna be in

Southern California for three straight years last year.

This is the middle, this is the, the meat in the sandwich of the

Breeders Cups on the West Coast, if you will.

They're gonna be out here three years in a row.

And I am of, I'm frankly convinced it it's two parts they

can't work out to deal with with Churchill number one.

And #2 Belmont's under construction.

And so you can't go back there right now.

And, and frankly, Keeneland's doing the same sort of thing as

well. I think we'll be at Belmont next

if we leave Southern California. That's sort of my sense of where

this thing will end up. But I think another reason is

there's an interest in getting more Japanese involvement in the

Breeders Cup itself and certainly in the higher level

races. We're seeing it in the Kentucky

Derby and other places. I think a real positive for our

sport. Obviously I, I think it's not an

if but rather a when we get a Japanese winner of say, the

Derby of the Breeders Cup classic of these sorts of races.

I think this year's as good a chance as any Japanese

involvement in the sport. They just walk by us with a

little, little worried about overhearing us for sure.

I'm just kidding. But no, but just, I mean, I see

it as an overwhelming positive, Danny.

I think you're absolutely right. The thing about the Japanese,

there's a lot of American thoroughbreds who have gone over

there to breed. So, so there's a lot of lot more

interest in the American game over there.

The horse racing has been huge in Japan for many, many, many

decades. But because I think of the

American influence with the sires that has perpetuated them

to come stateside and go after the big money here and, and the

glory. Because if you can have a

Kentucky Derby winner and bring them in Japan, what's that going

to mean for their sport? Oh.

That's exactly right. And that it just seems like

every every time someone questions a methodology, Sean,

or a why are they doing this sort of stuff, I just think,

well, it's working like it's OK. People can try different things.

The West Coast offensive football didn't exist until

they, you know, the 49ers started running at these sorts

of things. Once in a while a little change

of the game is OK, right? Definitely.

And you've seen where when they've gone international in

the last, you know, five years, they've been dominating at Dubai

and Saudi Arabia. And you know, they had the big

success the last time the Breeders Cup was here at Del

Mar. And I feel like for California,

it's perfect for them. It's not that far to travel.

You know, you just come right over the ocean, you're here.

So the fact that we got, I believe, 19 entries this year

from the Japanese, that's pretty incredible and probably

something that's going to just continue to get bigger and

bigger each year. We don't have to do a full

handicapping part of the show here, but let's just say it was

a three horse race in the Breeders Cup Classic and it's

forever young and it's Ushba Tesoro and it's derma sonogake,

derma derma. By the way, reminder to everyone

who's forgotten, came off the bench cold last year, red second

in this freaking thing. You know, which of those three

do you think you'd lean on as the most likely winner of the

Breeders Cup Classic today? I would say probably forever

young just because I feel like he's going to get himself set up

a little bit better in the early portion.

Ushwa Tesoro is going to be coming from out of it and with

that short stretch, I just feel like he's going to potentially

be up against it. And you mentioned Derma Sodagake

last year, he came off the bench.

I was a big fan of him last year, cast that cash that place

and show ticket last year, but he just in his races in the

spring. He I just don't think he's the

same horse this year. So it'll be interesting.

I'm rooting for him to, you know, turn it around, but I

just, I haven't seen that same energy from him this year that I

saw last year. Danny, you know, I think we, we

forget and and frankly Ushmit Tesoro 3 seconds this year in

three runs, right? He's one of these horses just

been a frankly a bad luck horse to Saint Orbuscadore over in

Saudi earlier this year. Do do you have a sense of of

which of those 3 you would lean on?

We know the thing that I might lean towards is more seasoning.

Now, the good thing about all three of these horses are

they've traveled. So, you know, you don't really

have to worry about, hey, how are they going to ship?

Because they've shipped everywhere all over the world.

But you know, I think forever young is obviously extremely

talented, but I'm going to go for the bridesmaid get becoming

the bride and I Ushpa Tesoro. There you go.

I that's who I I would probably that would be my pick.

USHPA lifetime. I haven't even looked in a

minute, but what is his lifetime earnings?

They have to be absolutely outrageous.

Yeah, 16 and a half million dollars.

Yeah, not a terrible way to. That's all Strong.

Just a small amount of pocket change, you know?

It's really, really freaking remarkable.

Of course, out of the Takagi barn there with Ushba Tesoro.

I agree with Sean here. I think forever young is where

I'm gonna lean on this one, frankly.

He's a an an an interaction, if you want to call it that, with

Sierra Leone away from winning the the Kentucky Derby and being

undefeated in his career, all high level, all at distance, all

of those sorts of things. And so to me, I think I agree

that I would lean on him, that son of real steel coming in from

overseas. You know the the other thing I

think that stands out about today, the Saturday card here at

Del Mar, it is the fact that there may be for the first time

that I could remember a legitimate American as the

favorite in a turf race in Cogburn that I think is also the

most likely to win a turf race against.

Frankly, this is a good group of sprinters, man.

I mean this is a nice race here that we get in the turf Sprint

later in the card today. But Cogburn is this race 5.

I'm trying to remember right now.

Yeah, race 5. And so, you know, you get AG

Bullet, you get some other horses in here that are

interesting. Big ABS comes over as the

three-year old, probably the main, the main contender here as

well alongside but Breeders' Cup horses coming out of Kentucky,

Downs going to California. It's a terrible statistic.

Danny, do you care about those kinds of trends?

Well, here's what I'm going to say about that trend.

Those other horses, they weren't Cogburn.

So the, the, the thing about Kentucky Downs is it was a six

furlong race which they shortened it up this year from

years past. But the thing about Kentucky

Downs is it's like that golf hole where the where the green

is uphill. You know, it says 150 yards, but

it plays 165. The six furlongs at Kentucky

Downs plays a lot longer than that.

I believe he was out front the whole way.

When they came to him, he ran away from him.

I think that the shorten up in distance of five furlongs

absolutely plays into his hands because he's the speed.

He's got speed, speed and more speed.

So I think that that the rest of those Kentucky Downs horses, you

know, they like they weren't Cogburn.

So I think that if anybody could breakthrough, I think it's him.

Another horse. If you're going to talk horse

for the course, how about Mortorius?

You know that the thing about his AG Bullet, another Kentucky

Downs graduate is going to go and so is Cogburn.

Will we see a sub 21 opening quarter?

What do you think, Louis? Because I mean, we with, with

the, the way this course plays and with that kind of speed, if

that happens and that sets it up for a horse like motorists who's

got a big late run. So I, I, I think I, I love

Cogburn, but watch out for motorists 3 for four lifetime at

Delmar. I had Sean sub 21.

That would be quick. That'd be fun to watch.

I'll say that I. Boy Sub, I remember a couple

years ago they had a timing glitch at Turfway of all things,

and a horse ran the 1st in like 17 and change and now and now I

see Cochran. I'm like, oh, OK, that could

actually happen. These are things.

Yeah, No, no, for sure. What would I say to that?

I guess you know, in the Cogburn race, Oh, it's Brad Sell that I

was thinking of the 12 year. I apologize.

I said big ABS earlier. I met Brad Sell coming over with

with Doyle getting the mount there.

Setting up a closer in a 5 furlong race is hard for me to

imagine. However, these are the best

horses in the world. So no.

I Danny, to answer your question, I wouldn't be stunned

by it if the thing that would be stunning would be say Cogburn

outside of the top three, something like that like that

would stand out as as a very unlikely event.

Do you agree with my analysis of Cogburn?

Favorite of post time at least. Yeah, he'll definitely be the

favorite. And you know that Kentucky

Downs, that I just feel like Kentucky Downs has better horses

over the last couple years than they did at the beginning.

So each year you're going to get better and better horses.

So that trend's going to fall soon.

You have Cogburn in this race, AG Bullet, you have Howard, all

of it's the three-year old in this race.

And the thing that gives you confidence about Cogburn is it

wasn't just his race at Kentucky Downs.

He set probably a world record in his race around a normal

track at Saratoga and the Japer. So he's definitely the one to

beat. As long as he runs his race, I

don't see him getting beaten here.

They're going to need him to take a step down in order to

beat him. Speaking of Saratoga, we went

Japanese angle first on the classic.

Let's go back and just talk sort of field in general and maybe

this is one where we can take our time and walk through the

field and and really get into whether we think a horse is a

contender or not. And a reminder, I'm Louis Ribow.

This is the horse racing happy hour.

We're hanging out here at Del Mar.

We're trackside. I'm with Danny Brewer and I'm

with Sean Collins from Blood Horse talking about the fields

on this Saturday here. First things first, though, the

Classic is not the last race of the day.

It precedes college football, and let me make my case that

I've made many times on this era.

I think this is exactly what they should be doing.

I think the best opportunity for horse racing to get more

eyeballs on it is to become part of the normal zeitgeist of

American sports on a Saturday. Just be part of the normal

schedule. It's going to be on and then

we're going to kick to an NBC football game.

It's going to be on and then we're going to kick to a Fox,

you know, baseball game afterward, after the Belmont,

something like that. I think this is where horse

racing should try to to put itself is.

You're just on the TV at the sports bar because someone just

has NBC on because they know the Iowa Minnesota game's on later.

And I'm using Iowa, Minnesota on purpose 'cause we would all

scoff at that. But a lot of people watch those

stupid games, man. And so it's one of those things

where I think it's more just placement.

You know, once in a while you end up at a McDonald's because

it's on your way, right? This it would be just it's on

your way to watching a football game.

But I also understand the traditionalist argument.

No, no, no. You keep your biggest race for

it toward the end of the day, the end of the day.

And then, you know, Derby, it's get out of the track and you

know, starter allowances after that.

But, you know, in this case, it used to be the the closing race.

Are you offended by the lack of it being a closing race?

Maybe offended's the wrong word, but are they doing the right

thing? That's probably the better way.

I think the timing is good with having it right before those

games like you mentioned, it helps bring some eyes to it.

But I just wish, you know, maybe we'd start a little bit earlier,

get the undercard races out of the way, you know, a little bit

earlier in the morning. So that way the Classic can

still be towards the end of the card.

But you know, I can't say 100% I don't like it being in the

middle of the card 'cause we haven't experienced it yet.

We'll find out today whether or not we like like that.

But, you know, I'm OK with it as long as it continues to bring

more viewership to the sport because that's the main thing

that we need. And at the end of the day, that

should trump everything else. Yeah.

No, I agree with you. I think that the spot and by the

way, as far as being part of the betting card, it's the end of a

middle pick, pick five and the beginning of the late pick 5.

So it's actually a lynchpin as well for many, many people's

wagers. Danny have an opinion on this?

Well, you know, being from Tennessee where football is

king, you know, I mean, I completely concur with what

they're doing here to get more I sport because that's what my job

is, is to promote the sport in a state that doesn't have horse

racing. And in the Southeast in general,

That's what I want to do, where I like the football is king.

I mean, SEC, come on. But I think that if you want to

get those everyday sports fans indoctrinated into the game,

this is how you do it. And then maybe down the road,

because at one time horse racing was one of the big three.

It was horse racing, boxing and baseball, and that was a top

three sports in the United States years and years ago.

If we want to get back to that, then we have to do some things

differently, and I think this is one of those things.

Yeah, that's exactly right. And like I said, I think

especially now Sean, you know, it it it's caught me off guard

how much it, you know, I thought it would be big, but how much it

dominates what I get to do during the week with Ramo and

Code talk in two hours. Sports wagering is just a huge

part of the the general sports experience now in the United

States. There's no reason you shouldn't

want your sport, which is completely, by the way, funded

by wagering, to not be alongside things that people are going to

be betting on. People tune into to an Iowa

football game, not because they're Hawkeye fans, but

because they've got the under. And yes, I'm saying the under

about Iowa football because that's what you should play with

Iowa football. But, you know, it's that kind of

stuff where if you could put a wagering product next to another

wagering product, I think it's it's it stands out as the the

most obvious thing to do. All right, boys, I will let you

get out of here. After we walk through the field

of the Breeders Cup Classic, we always come up with a silly

moniker for this sort of thing. Like for the Belmont, we always

say Bel yeah, or Bel Gnaw if they can win or not.

Like I that's probably my favorite one.

Well, yeah, is it just stands out as like a a really great

thing. And then we're always wrong.

You know, it was just also funny.

But but what should we call this then?

What should be the Breeders Cup Classic?

Are they a classic horse or not? Are they a they a contender?

Is there something Southern California we can do?

I I just don't know. I just don't know.

So we're just going to say yes or no if they can win.

OK 'cause I can't come up with anything on the fly.

How about that? Probably should have planned

this a little better. Sean Collins, you understand me?

Del Mia. Maybe.

Del Yeah. Del Nah.

Oh, you know what we're going with?

Del. Yeah.

Del Nah. That's exactly what we're doing.

Forever young out leads us off 'cause he's in post position 1.

Sakai and Yahagi on the combination here.

Of course, coming out of the win in the Japan Dirt Classic.

Over a mile and a quarter, they bring them off off the bench and

they immediately put him at the classic distance.

Pretty impressive. I think a lot of horses coming

into this. We'll talk about another later

on. We're working on their running

styles for Del Mar essentially. And so seeing Forever Young

forwardly placed in that race to be spoke to.

Hey, we know it's a short stretch at Del Mar Del yeah, Del

Naw for Danny Brewer, out Forever young.

I think Del, yeah, he's got a shot for sure.

Yeah, I agree with you. Anything about his form, I know

we kind of went through it earlier.

Anything about his form that especially gives you hope about

that? To me, it's that second off the

left. They went straight back to the

classic distance. Oh, I think absolutely right.

And I think that, you know, if you look at his Derby run, what

he did down the stretch, how he battled down the stretch and had

some fight in him. Because with this big field and

the and the vast red talent, you're gonna have to have a

little fight in you to win this one.

And frankly, some bigger horses, right, Just gonna be some older,

more established bigger horses that have been in these kinds of

races as well. I agree the Derby is not a

negative overall experience for a horse like Forever Young Del

Ya Delna. Oh yeah, he's shown the race I

always go back to with him is that race in the Saudi Derby

where he was able to run down book him, Dano in the stretch.

He's got a lot of heart and I feel like the the wire just came

up at the wrong time for him in the Derby.

I think if it was maybe a little bit longer and he bounces the

other way, maybe he ends up getting his head in front.

But the only part I'm concerned about with him is if he gets

trapped on the rail. But I think he's so experienced

and he's already so battle tested at this point that he's

going to be able to work way out of it.

For all of the short stretch talk that we do at Del Mar, and

it's appropriate by the way, the start, it gives you so much time

before the 1st turn that you do actually probably can get out of

some trouble in the in the one hole, that kind of stuff.

I'll go Delia as well. Frankly, he's my top pick in the

Breeders Cup class. We'll get to that later on, but

that is where I'm going to land. I love the six to one number.

I really pray to God that stays up there.

I'm going to guess we should probably do this too.

What do you think it ends up at by the time we get to post?

I'll go 9:00 to 2:00 on Forever Young.

I'm going to say he's going to catch some action and I think

probably maybe like 4:00 to 1:00.

I think he's going to be potentially the favorite by the

time we get to post time. I think a lot of people are

going to, you know, kind of gravitate towards him.

I'll say maybe 3 to one, 7:00 to 2:00 somewhere in there.

What Sean was trying to say is a lot of people listen to me and

so they're going to start betting Forever young and Louis

going to ruin the pools. Got it.

Highland Falls is here. I had Dan Essle on yesterday on

my Rabo and Co show. He jumped on in the 10:00 hour

and he said he was watching the the workouts.

He watching horses gallop and Highland Falls caught his eye

more than any other horse in the classic.

This is Adele Gnaw for me. It also should be said that Dan

Essle loves Brad Cox. So it is what it is, but does

come out of that Jockey Club Gold Cup at Saratoga Golden a

mile and 1/4 Sean Del Yeah Del Naw for him.

I'm Del Naw on him. I think he's a good mile and a

quarter horse. I think the distance will be

fine. I just think he's maybe a step

below the top in this race. Highland Falls comes in, of

course, the son of Curlin, Danny Breuer.

Del Naw or Del Yeah? Dale Yeah, that's my, he's my

long shot of the day. I think that Highland Falls is

one that can get there. You know, talk with Brad Cox

yesterday. He really likes where this horse

is AT. And if you look at his last race

there in the stretch when they kind of came to him, and I know

this, it wasn't the classic field that he faced in that

race, but he had that extra gear and he had that fight and he

wound up pulling away and winning by about 5 lengths.

So I think that if you're going to play a long shot in this

race, he's the one. There you go, he comes in.

He'll be the two horse here. Luis Saez gets the mount in

place of Flavia and Pratt of course, who will ride Sierra

Leone, the wild card of the weekend.

But the morning line favorite will be city of Troy, the three

horse here. Ryan Moore gets the mount for

Aiden O'Brien. Horse comes in of course off his

win in the Juddmont Invitational.

Where I thought, or the international, right, sorry.

Yeah, the Juddmont International.

This is where I thought we saw a very clear move by a a trainer

to say, hey, we're going to try a new tactic here that was to

push him to the front. I talked with James Walsh, a

Scottish handicapper on Sunday and he talked, said why?

Why is he running in this race? And he said this is the son of

Justify and they are trying to make the stallion of stallions

essentially with this horse. I'll go Del Yeah, on City of

Troy because I just think he's that talented.

I think the surface is, it's not a secondary thing, but it's it's

not as important as his overwhelming talent here.

I don't expect him to win, but if he wins, I'm not going to

have any level of surprise. What says Sean Collins?

I say Delna on him. Yeah.

I just, you know, I'm sure I'll be biting my tongue after the

race, but his races, I just haven't been as impressed with

him to the level of the reputation he's gotten when I've

been watching those races, you know, he's been winning and he's

done what he needs to win. But I just haven't seen like

that next level talent to make me think first start on dirt

against this kind of caliber field that he's going to win

this race. If he runs well, I won't be

surprised. But you know, this is one I'm

definitely going to take a stand against.

City of Troy, Danny Brewer, Ryan Moore in O'Brien Connections,

But try in the dirt. What's this year?

Dale Null. You know, The thing is, is I'm

with Sean, the dirt to the face. If he's breaking from the pre

post, if he doesn't break well, which Europeans traditionally

don't break well then he's going to take dirt to the face.

How's he going to react? We don't know.

So I'm going to say Dale Null. OK, there you go, 2 guys against

the morning Life favorite. To be fair, I said I'd also

don't expect him to win, but Meek still comes in.

Tammy, we're going to start with you man, on our Delia or Del Nos

segment here because you were here for his Pacific Classic.

This was a horse, by the way, that came out of Pleasanton and

then one what many have called not a great version of the

Pacific classic here at Del Mar. But boy, it was great if you had

them on your tickets. I'll tell you that much.

Meeksto son of good magic. OK, I think sometimes what gets

lost to Danny is we see a horse win at really high odds and we

assume it's a one off or it's it's never going to happen

again. We don't look at the details of

this good magic, good sire man. And, and, you know, this is not

a, a, a poorly bred horse or any of those sorts of things.

Can he get back to that form? Del yeah.

Or Del not. I'm going to say Del.

Yeah. You know, Doug O'Neill is my

boy. And and I was here.

And the thing about his nobody really expected Mixo to do it,

and nobody really expects him to do it again.

But this is the beauty of the Breeders Cup.

He earned his way here. And anybody that gets in the

gates got a chance. And I think he's he's 2 for two

or his two wins of his life. He only had two wins, but

they've both been at Del Mar, both around two turns.

So I think there's some definitely some some favorable

things for him. He's one that I'll have a ticket

across the board on. He's going to be, he might be 4

year 50 to one, you know, when it goes to post.

And I'm OK with that. You know, I'm not sure whether

he wins, but he ran a gutsy enough race in the Pacific

Classic that I think that he, yes, he could be there at the

end. Big Stow 30 to one.

Sean, before you say Del Yardena, what do you think his

number will be in the gate? I'm going to go 44 to one.

I'll say I'll go a little higher than that.

I'll say he's going to be up around 55 to one maybe.

Does 55 to one make him bettable then?

If you think that you know the horse for course angle of him

having had success here at Del Mar, I think that's definitely

one that you should play if you can convince yourself of it.

I'm not convinced that he's going to be able to get up to

this challenge. I just think the horses on the

West Coast have not been, you know, the ones that he faced in

the Pacific Classic have not been the caliber that he's

facing today. But it would be a cool story if

he did end up. I think that would be huge for

Northern California right now. They could really use a horse

coming out of one of their stakes races and winning the

Breeders Cup Classic. I think that'd be big for them.

So sentimental choice maybe for me.

But, you know, I just, I think he's a little overmatched here.

It's Delano. I just, I, I don't want to take

anything away from that specific class because he won the damn

race. I mean, it's just there's

nothing, there's nothing to be taken away here.

But I mean, does the Pleasanton Mile horse show back up where he

ran second against that company? I don't know.

It's also Doug O'Neill, whose barn motto is why not us, right?

You know, and, and he just, he's willing to take shots.

He doesn't care. He's I always compare him and

now he's got too many starters in Kentucky for me to do this

anymore. But he's he's can't even peek

West of the Rockies. He doesn't train his horses into

shape. He runs them into shape.

He's willing to take shots. Got you see his horses on dirt,

then you see him on turf. He's willing to take those kind

of chances. So if he were to win the

Breeders Cup Classic, I'd feel really good about it because

he's a guy frankly, in our sport when we just need horses

running, runs his horses. So hopefully Beak still runs

well, but he is Adele Naw for me.

Senor Buscador comes in here off of a 5th place finish up the

track in the California Crown and before that in the Pad

O'Brien Stakes. Pad O'Brien Stakes, I want to be

very clear, that's a 7 for a long race.

Senor Buscador is never winning that very clearly in there just

to get his legs back underneath him.

I was disappointed, however, by the California Crown performance

because I think of Senor Buscador as better than that.

Certainly the win in the Saudi Cup is going to pay a lot of

bills for a lot of people for a long time.

Was that a one off? He's a Del Naw for me mostly

because he's a deep closer and at Del Mar that's going to be a

very difficult thing to do with how much front end speed there

is here. But was that more of a one off

in the Saudi there, Sean, or do we think that he can get back to

that kind of form once in a while?

Horses go to the Arabian Peninsula just never come back.

Well. I don't think it was a one off

'cause he ran really well in the Dubai World Cup too.

He got overshadowed because Laurel River just ran away from

him and I think he maybe moved a little bit too early.

Otherwise he would have beaten Ushba for second.

But I just, you know, that last race, I know they kind of went

into it expecting the pace to be slow and that he wouldn't run as

well in the California crown, but I still thought he ran worse

than he should have with the way that it went.

So he's a Delna for me here. I'm just thinking, you know,

we've seen it all the time with those horses coming back from

the Middle East and just not being the same horse.

I think he may, maybe might be one of those and maybe he won't

be one of those. But even if he's not, I just

don't think that the, you know, the race here at Del Mar will

set up for him with that deep close and kick.

And you have other closers in here like Sierra Leone, like

Ushba Tesoro, who we know are kind of at the top of their game

right now. And that I'd have more faith and

get it picking up the pieces late.

Yeah, that's interesting. One of my handicapping angles,

Danny's I in races like this, I like to include the best of each

version if I think it's a more open race.

So the best front runner, the best stalker, the best closer.

Sean's right. I don't think of Saint

Obruscador as frankly being in, in my opinion, at least in in in

that top class closure in this race.

Del Yard down the law for you. He's Del Nol, you know, athletes

go through peaks and valleys. I think he's in a valley right

now. He was peaking when he ran

overseas over there in, in, in the, in the Middle East and he

ran fantastic there. And he's had other good races

too, because he, he won the, I think he won the ACC at

Churchill Downs before and all that.

So, so he's a, he's a good horse.

I just think he's on the way down right now.

The winner of the San Diego Handicap too, right?

Grade 2. So no, he's one here before that

was his one win over two turns at Del Mar as well.

Hanging out. We are paddock sided Del Mar.

My name's Louie Bow alongside Sean Collins from Blood Horse

and of course Danny Brewer from Horse Racing Scoop.

Let me go ahead and have you guys publicize all the things

that you do as we're about halfway through the field here.

Sean, how do people find you? So you can find me on

bloodhorse.com, just search my name and you'll find my article

was there and on Twitter at BH Underscore's Collins and then on

YouTube front. If you wanna see what it's like

to be at racing events like the Breeders Cup, the Triple Crown

races from the viewpoint of being there, you can follow me

on YouTube and Twitter at a Pharaoh 12 there you.

Go. Spelled like the Triple Crown

winner. Properly, you understand me,

American Pharaoh, better than the actual Pharaoh.

You understand me, Danny Brewer. How do people find you?

They find me on Twitter. I'm at sports brew and sports

brew with AZ sports with AZ I'm horse fishing scoop.com.

I'm also on WGNS radio Friday morning to have a handicapping

spot. So that's my my main outlets,

but also I I published other stuff too.

I'm doing some stuff for Kentucky HBPA and Jenny Reece

right now. Very.

Good. So there you go.

Go check him out in all those spots.

Derma Sodagake will be in the 6th hole today.

Christophe Lemaire gets the mount here.

So I'm doing some interviews earlier this week with my friend

Darwin Viscaya. It was it was fun to watch.

Darwin is such a tall man. He makes Danny Brewer look

short. I mean it's it's not easy to do.

And so he having him stand next to jockey is always, you know

what? It's it, it, it warms my heart.

Sean Collins, you understand me. It warms my heart. 20 to one in

the morning line. I actually think that number's

about right. 2022, something like that.

I think that's an OK number. He's a Del Naw for me based on

his form this year. But I would have been very wrong

last year about his form. I would not have had him in the

exact. Danny Brewer, I'll go to you

first. Del Naw for me comes out of the

Nippon TV high over there at Funahashi in Japan where he ran

a really disappointing 5th 8 1/2 lengths back but we saw him last

year ship over. Love Santa Anita, could he do it

again here? I'm a Del Naw.

I do love his sire. Mind Your Biscuits is one of my

favorite horses. Ran with a lot of guts.

But I think Del Naw, I just think he's another horse that's

not on top of his game right now.

And obviously you shit because you ran second here last year so

I understand why they're running him, but he's Del Naw for me.

Del Naw for Danny Brewer. Del Naw for me.

Sean Collins. I'm going to be Del Naw on him.

I really loved him last year as a three-year old.

He was my Derby pick. He was my classic pick last year

even despite the layoff. But the part that concerns me

the most is the fact that he ran so well in the Classic last year

off the playoff and then when he came in off the layoff for the

Nippon TV this year, he did not run well.

So we know that he can run well off a layoff and he did not.

So that kind of, to me, makes me think that he's just not the

same horse he was. You mentioned Nippon TV, Danny

Brewer, did you grow up with with a Nintendo?

And did you play Mike Tyson's Punch Out because Piston Honda

would ask for the Nippon TV cameras?

Do you remember that at all? No, I, I, I wasn't.

I'm actually, I'm a little bit too old for that.

I think I'm more like an Atari guy.

This show will not hear any Atari slander at all.

You understand me? We are pro Atari around here.

We are pro NES. So you watch about Danny Breuer,

about the Atari, you understand me?

The Seven horse here is one of the other Japanese entries, He

is Usba Tesoro. He comes in and look, I thought

he looked pretty good in the aforementioned Nippon TV.

Last out, I think very much a setup race for this.

I think he's got a definite shot here.

Dell. Yeah.

And so. OK.

Oh, OK. Sorry.

We are doing live TV. You can absolutely unplug that.

No, I've been plugged in long enough.

I'm. I'm pumped up.

Thank you for asking. Appreciate it very much That is

my cord, by the way, The orange one.

Yeah. Yeah, everything is mine.

Yeah. Yes, yes, it is.

I bought it at CBS yesterday and so so Ushba Tesoro is in this

race coming out of that Nippon TV high.

I give him a chance. I he's Adel.

Yeah, for me, I think he can get over the hump.

Been running seconds eventually in distance races that seems to

to to work itself out. I do think of it more on the

turf side of those two turn races.

If the horse is part of the exact to trifecta a lot,

eventually they get over. I think that about Ushba here

though too. I'll go to you first, Danny.

I'm Adel. Yeah, here.

I'm Adel, yeah, too 'cause obviously he was the one that I

told you of the three Japanese that I like the most, he knows

how to win races. He had a six way win streak.

Not this year, he hadn't won any, but last year he had like a

six race win streak. He won the Dubai World Cup.

So I mean, I think that yeah, that he can win big races.

So I'm Adel, yeah. There you go.

And Sean Ushpa comes in 12 to one.

What do you think the number will be?

I'm going to go like 8 to one on him.

Maybe some Japanese money gets in, even gets seven to six to

one, that kind of thing. But Ushpa give him give him a

shot here. I'd give him a shot here.

I'm Adel. Yeah, on him.

I would say he's probably going to be, I think he's going to

stick around that 10 to 112 to one range.

I think there's enough people that have seen a lot of his

finishing seconds and the fact that he didn't really come close

to winning last year. What did he end up being 5th

last year? I think or you know, he.

He was fifth last year. Yeah, he was fifth last year.

So, you know, I think some people are going to look at

that, you know, as one start in the US and maybe kind of back

away from him. But I think, you know, he's

going to potentially have that pace set up ahead of him.

And I think he maybe sits a little bit closer earlier than a

Legacy or Leo and maybe gets a jump on him.

So I could definitely see him. I think he's I would definitely

be using him to hit the board and my exactas my trifectas and

all that and I'll take a shot at him if you really like him to

win. There you go. 12 to one would be

excellent value, frankly, for a horse of that caliber.

Pyrenees is in here and this is a personal horse for me.

I got to watch him win over Preakness weekend in Baltimore,

but then we got to watch him run second in the foster when I told

Danny don't leave Kings Bards out of your exacta.

That horse is gonna finish at the top two.

And then he won the darn thing. He ran behind Highland Falls

last out in the Jockey Club Gold Cup.

So that's two good seconds after three straight wins to open the

year. This is a horse coming in at 30

to one. When you talk Breeders' Cup,

Pyrenees is that kind of horse to me where we know there's

ability. He might be a step below, but

boy, this is a really nice horse in general.

I'm down on him. I just think there's there's

other horses that do what he does a little bit better in this

race. They're a little faster, a

little whatever. So I'm going to go down on him.

But boy, if he hit the exact in fact, I would not be surprised.

Sean, we go to you first. I'm going to be Del Nah on him

for this year, but if he continues developing along the

way that he's been developing this year, I think he might be

Adele. Yeah, for next year's Breeders'

Cup. So, yeah, I think he's, you

know, he's on the right track. I just think this is maybe a

little too early for him to be taking on these kind of horses

in this race. But if he wins, I will not be

surprised. But I just think, you know, he's

going to put it forth a good showing here today.

And then next year, I think he's going to be one of the leaders

of the of this division. Del Nov for both of us.

We go to Danny Brewer. Saw him at Churchill Downs there

in the Foster. What says you?

I'm going to say Dale, Yeah, you know, he's, I think he's on my

super factor ticket and, and here's why, because of all the

2nd place finishes. And yes, I did hit the Super

Factor on that day because I did have Kings Barns, I did have

Pyrenees on there. I think Pyrenees is a very good

horse that I don't know that he wins the race, but I think you

have him on your Super Factor ticket because he knows how to

find the wire and he runs hard through the wire.

He opened in a lower level allowance in the mud at

Fairgrounds this year and now he's in the Breeders Cup class

and gotta love horse racing for those kinds of stories.

Fierceness comes in the Derby favorite.

Upped the track in that race but did love his time at Saratoga

this summer and showed us who the real fierceness is.

Won his last two in the Gym Dandy and then in the Traverse

by a head over Torpedo Anna. Weird way to frame this

question. Did you lose a little respect

for fierceness by only beating Thorpedo Anna by a little?

I did not, no. I think, you know, he's

definitely a talented horse and Thorpedo Anna is definitely a

talented horse. So I he didn't lose any respect

in my eyes from that. In fact, he gained a lot of

respect because I was one of the believers that he's always going

to do the win one run terrible in the next one.

So the fact that he put 2 together, that put me a lot of

respect on him. Del yeah, Del naw, Danny Breuer.

Can he go three in a row after showing us that he could at

least go two in a row? I'm going to go del naw and and

I like fierceness. Thorpedo Anna to me is the best

3 year old in training. So I I didn't lose any respect.

I'm like Sean, I didn't lose any respect for him because of that

race because she is outstanding. But I just don't think

fierceness gets it done here. OK, three to one morning line.

Johnny V ridden a lot of races out here, so he'll definitely

know the course. Sean, if if all of the horses

run their race, where would you rank?

Fierceness at the top of their game as a contender in this

race? I think that's how I'm thinking

about. It at the top of the game, at

the top of his game. He's definitely a top three

contender in this race. But the problem with him is you

never know whether or not you're going to get that top

performance from him. And he's really shown an

affinity for Saratoga. He's run three really, really

good races there at Saratoga and really outside of the Florida

Derby in last year's Breeders' Cup.

You know, he's had some problems when he's not been there, so

it'll be interesting. I think this is a really tough

field and, you know, he's a horse that kind of needs

everything to go the way that he wants up front, and I don't

think he's going to get that in this race.

So he's a del Nah for me. But if he ends up winning again,

I won't be surprised. But there's too many reasons to

not trust him, to trust him in this race.

Yeah, it would all have to go very, very well for him.

Break all of the other things. I'm still Adele.

Yeah. Because I've seen the very best

of him and I know what that looks like.

And I think it can win in this field.

Am I, I I'm very similar on him as I am on City of Troy.

I know what the ceiling is. It's very high.

I I just don't know if we're going to see it in the classic

tab and Trice comes in here 30 to one on a Todd Pletcher.

I ran Ortiz combination over two turns on the dirt.

I don't know that I've ever seen that.

I'll put it that way. But that's another reason to

love the Breeders Cup. This horse did win in the

Woodward last out in the mud at Aqueduct.

That is A2 turn mile and an eighth on Long Island.

I that's about as good as he's looked.

And so if you want to buy into, you know, a horse that needs to

get a little bit older, needs to mature a little bit, maybe

that's what you look at. I'm Adele Nah.

I've just watched him be so quirky and so uncomfortable and

so uninterested in racing so many times.

He's Adele Nah for me as far as a win, but I'm not at all sure

that I'm stunned if he wins. And so I'll go to you, Sean.

Well, I'm going to be a del Nah on him and for those of you that

have listened to this before, when we were at Monmouth, we

both were against him and then he ran one of the best races

he's ever run in the Monmouth Cup.

So you might want to use that angle to bet him if you like

him. But he's just one of those

horses. He's definitely a lot more

improved this year. I believe I did not have any

expectations for him coming into this year and he's won two of

three and he's looked good winning those two.

But again, like you said, he's just a quirky horse that you

don't always know what you're going to get from him.

And in this kind of field, just like I don't really, I have

reasons to not trust him. And so it makes me hard to trust

him. Too hard to predict pletchers.

Do you like this? One, I'm going to say Dell no

and I I've liked habit trice in the past, but I just I'm with

you guys. I just don't think that he's got

it and he's too he's been too inconsistent.

You know, either he'll run really well or he won't won't

run well at all. And I think that maybe he's due

for one of those not well at all, but but but I will say

this, the jockey trainer combo come on 20 to one. 30 to one

right now. Oh, 30 to one not stand

corrected, Yeah. But that's Breeders' Cup.

I mean, that's that's literally why those of us who who do bet

on this sport love Breeders' Cup is because of numbers exactly

like that. Sierra Leone, I saw Brooke Smith

this morning. You were interviewing him,

Danny, this morning, owner of Sierra Leone.

I one of the OK, let's be clear about one thing real quick,

Danny. I need Sierra Leone to win this

race because I think Brooke would overreact and that would

involve shirtlessness in the infield.

That would involve dumping beverages on himself.

That would involve me getting to smoke a cigar with him tonight.

You know, that kind of thing. Like I need all of it as Matthew

Desantis's bum ass walks by. How about that?

The hears this. I really do.

I love, I love that guy so much. The the the Sierra Leone angle,

though, is that he is a deep closer.

He's almost, he's almost seemed surprised that the gate opened.

He's almost surprised that a race is about to start.

He's one of these. I have a kid like that who's

it's like, why am I getting up? You have school today?

Oh, right. Yeah, yeah.

It's like, come on, brother. Like, come on.

A little bit of something, a little focus here.

And that's what Sierra Leone does for me.

I think it's also important to remind people he's never missed

the board. This is a horse that never

misses the board. He gives you an honest effort.

It's just he's a little clunky starting and he's going to need

to close in a field where there's good speed up front.

I'm Adele. Naw on winning, but this is

another one where I'm not stunned if he does win.

And by the way, I think Chad Brown's done an above average

job with this horse, at least getting him into the into

getting a good check every single race.

What says you, Danny Breuer, Delia or Del No?

I'm going to say Del, Yeah. And then because I want the

Brooks Miss stuff too, because because that that's the

fantastic stuff that we need in the sport or guys like that

who've got that energy and little bit that's a maybe, maybe

a little bit off the cuff a little bit.

And that's what we want. Now here's the thing.

Here's to me the biggest key why I think Sierra Larion can win

this race. Flavian Pratt, you know, Pratt I

think is the best jockey in the game as far as going anywhere

and winning with with any horse. I think Pratt is the best jockey

in the game and he has won a ton of races here at Delmar.

And I think that he will try to get Leon a little bit more in

the race, you know, and not come from so, so far back because

like you said that the front end speed, he can't be too far back

or he'll never get it done. But I agree with all the parts

of that, actually, which is funny because I have Flavian on

top of a lot of races because of his experience here.

The fact that he's dominating so many stakes numbers in the very

best circuits in the country, Sean Delmar, Dolly Effort,

Sierra Leone, I have a feeling. I'm Dell.

Yeah, on him. Is your feeling right?

Yes, I I'm a very intuitive person.

Shawn Collins. Yeah, I'm Dell.

Yeah. On Sierra Leone, doesn't it just

seem like, you know, he's had all those races this year where

he was the favorite. Everybody was expecting big

things, and he kept coming up just short.

Doesn't it almost seem right that the race where people start

getting off his bandwagon and start kind of forgetting about

him, that is the race where he finally breaks through and he'll

be up against it from, you know, having to come from behind.

But he shows up every single time.

And even though he's been losing, you know, he's always

been right there. There's been the question about

him running straight in the stretch, which I think, you

know, they may have finally figured out in this last couple.

And I just feel like he's going to be forgotten about and people

aren't going to be looking out for him at the end of the race

like they had been the last couple of races.

And he could sneak in there and maybe nail somebody right on the

wire. There you go in the minority.

My name is Louis Reboer, paddock side here at Delmar ahead of

Breeders' Cup Saturday here on ESPN 681057, Horse Racing happy

hour takeover, the end of Horse Racing Radio Network.

Arthur's ride is a fascinating study in speed figures and two

turns and Bill Mott being good at his job and all of these

things. I'm Adel.

Yeah. On this horse, and not for any

reasonably good high level reason other than I love the

breeding. If I just get to excuse one bad

race at at Saratoga before that, he runs back-to-back, one 10s

and one elevens. If we're going to lean on a

fierceness beating 3 year olds, why can I not lean on an

Arthur's ride beating older horses?

I know that croupy and post time aren't going to get you out of

bed in the morning. I get it.

But he's winning those races and he won that race, frankly,

pretty comfortably. I'm Adele.

Yeah, here, 15 to one. I get Junior Alvarado, who

frankly has won the Pegasus. He's won other big races.

He's one of those guys. I'll go Del.

Yeah, here, Danny. I'm going to go Del.

No, I can say this, he's pretty as a pitcher.

I mean, that Joker is beautiful looking and I think that that

yes, his speed it is. It could be important here, but

I just don't think he's got the experience against the quality

of field he'll face here to get there.

Sean, what's this you? I'm Adele.

Maybe I can lean both ways. So you know, he's one of those.

It's 2024, we're in California. You can lean whatever way you

want. Exactly, Exactly.

But you know, he's just one of those horses.

I did not think his Whitney was like, he was as good a horse

coming out of the Whitney as a lot of people did.

But then when he ran so poorly at the Jockey Club Gold Cup, I

just felt like maybe they brought him back a little too

quick and they should not have run him the back that one month

later. So now he's coming in two months

fresh, he's probably going to be sent to the pace.

I think if somebody puts just a little bit of pressure on him,

I'm a Del. Nah, if they let him go up there

and just do whatever he wants, I think he's a Del.

Yeah. So it's just a, it's just a

matter of, you know, what we think the pace scenario is going

to be like for. Him.

There you go, Arthur's ride will break from the 12.

Newgate is a local and that is the Bob Baffert trainee.

I I keep trying to go Del Nah on this horse and I can't and I'm

not sure why. I really don't have a good

reason why, but he has one at the distance.

Got A99 speed figure, of course, in the San Anita Handicap under

Frankie Dattoria. Who keeps them out here.

I do get Bob Baffert at 20 to one in Southern California on

the dirt. That's delightful.

So at least that's there as well.

Frankie has been riding out of his mind.

The horse was good in the California Crown but ran out of

gas. I worry about the mile and a

quarter, so I'll go Del Naw. What says Danny Brewer?

I think that's the reason that you're you're thinking about

Dale. Yeah.

Is because of Bob Baffert and 20 to one.

I'm going Dale. Yeah.

Bob Baffert, 20 to one in Southern California in a big

race. There is no one in this game

that is better at getting a horse ready for a big race and

Bob Baffert, period, you know. So I think that whenever you

have Bob Baffert in a big race like this and you get 20 to one,

it's Dale. Yeah, all day.

That was pretty convincing, Sean.

It was very convincing, Yes. And I agree with everything he

just said. So it's Dell.

Yeah. For me on Newgate, I just think,

you know, it's Bob Baffert, Frankie Dettori.

Frankie's been having an incredible year, so I would not

be shocked at all to see him put together a big ride here.

And he ran really well coming out of.

You know, we talked earlier about Senior Senor Abuscador not

really bouncing back from his trip to the Middle East.

Newgate went out to. Good point.

Yeah. Newgate went out to Dubai.

He came back. He ran a very strong third.

That was a, you know, a head Bob that could have went either way

between him, Substantador and National Treasure, both of those

two are not here. I have been questioning, you

know, the last year or two of the quality of the older horses

out here in California. But I think he's the best that

California has to offer. If he wins, I will not be

shocked. I got talked to De Delia.

Do you want to know how good Bob Bafford is at horse racing and

training is? His worst angle is second off

the layoff over an extended layoff which he only hits at

17%. Every trainer in the world would

love to hit anything at 17%. Next is on the outside of the 14

and I don't have a strong opinion on running him in this

race or not. I think the ownership should be

allowed to do whatever they want.

And I think by the way, to this point, they have done a terrific

job for this horse and with this horse.

I, I am a very strong Del no on this race.

I just I, I do not see the scenario in which he is ready to

fire at the mile and a quarter distance over a short stretch at

Del Mar early enough to be part of that pace where he's got to

be there. And I hate to do that because I

do love the story. Sean will go to you first.

Do you Del Naw Del? Yeah, on Next, who frankly, I

know you're in love with. And so I have an idea.

Hold the mic for me. I'm going to grab this stuff so

these guys don't have to do. I am a very strong Del Yeah, on

next. I think this race, you know,

it's an experiment for him, but he has shown his talent.

You know, I just feel like he's obviously it's up in at the

marathon distance, but he's shown his talent, his

connections have done such a great job with him.

You know, they have. We're not giving in to the

pressure. They wanted to make sure he had

the year that they wanted. And now they're taking a shot

outside of the division, which you can respect them for doing.

I had a nice conversation with Luan Machado a couple weeks ago,

right after he breathed. He convinced me that if they

prepared him for it, that this horse would be able to win a 5

1/2 furlong Sprint. So he doesn't seem concerned

about the mile and a quarter. I think the Post 14 actually

works fantastic for him. I think that allows him to kind

of get into the groove because that was the concern for Doug

Collins was whether he was going to be able to get into his

normal groove at this short of a distance.

But I think being on the outside, that long run up into

the first turn, that'll can allow Luan to kind of pick his

place, get next relaxed. And as long as he's relaxed,

even if it's a little bit quicker than he usually goes, I

think his stamina's going to kick in at the end of the race.

And I don't mind him being wide because of that stamina.

And I just think if Luan can have him, you know, maybe 3rd or

4th going into the far turn and he presses that button midway on

the far turn and he accelerates forward and takes the lead, it's

going to be hard to catch him. He's proven that his entire last

two years that you're not going to run him down if he's up there

on the lead. Also, I need a Turfway Park

based horse to win the classic. You understand me Danny Brewer.

That's what I need in my life today.

I need next to win the Breeders Cup Classic.

Little, little, little is Dana, so we'll call Little Kitty

Litter Horse. Little Kitty Litter Horse up

there at Turfway Park, Delia Del Da.

I'm going to have to say Del Naw, but I think he's a great

story and I'm happy he's running because I think that that's what

this sport needs. That's what the Breeders Cup is

all about. It's coming.

I mean, R Kong 133 to one when he, I mean, nobody thought he

should run either. So I think that next absolutely

belongs here and I think it's fantastic that he's running

here. I just don't think he's going to

win. OK, well there you go.

Luan Machado. Was the was three days enough?

I think so, yeah. I, I think that was an honest

mistake that he had up there at Keenan Linden.

So I think you know the three days, the fine.

I think that was enough in my. Is there also a chance that that

locked him back in because he was untouchable the next

weekend? I think that was a great chance

that that did lock him back in. Yeah.

He won two stakes that that weekend right after that.

I got to talk to him after both races and you could see how

emotional he was and how just like fulfilling that was for him

to be able to, you know, kind of reassert himself there and got

give people confidence back in him.

Later races on the card, do you have a strong opinion on any of

them? Danny?

Is there a horse maybe in the Dirt Mile or in the Turf Mile as

we get later in the card? The Dirt Mile, by the way, I

think one of the great betting races we've had this year for

sure. A bunch of horses in there that

if you told me they were going to win, I would believe you a a

horse like Saudi Crown. Does the does the layoff bother

you coming out of the the Cowboy Jones?

Of course that Akak was under Hurricane and conditions

essentially so they didn't run him.

We get 3 technique out here for that reason.

Which cool story too, but a horse like sided crown layoff

too much for the last racer. I don't think the layoffs too

much. It might be against this field,

but he showed he could come back from Dubai with the layoff.

The part that concerns me is, you know, he's scratched with

the foot problem and so that concerns me a little bit.

They say that it's kind of been taken care of and that, you know

he's ready to go now, but I just feel like he maybe missed that A

week or two of training maybe puts him behind the 8 ball when

you're running against a field like this.

But I love him coming from the rail.

You know he's going to be forward to a place.

So as long as he's healthy and fit, he's going to be tough.

Who do you have in the race? And the dirt mile.

I believe I have got to remind myself of the field here.

That's all right. So this one stands out.

Who do you have Danny The. Domestic product is the one that

I like in there. Yeah, OK, so a closer, but in

over two turns here, a horse that we've seen Tampa Bay Derby

wins over two turns no problem comes back.

He's won at 7 furlongs and at a mile.

I loved him in the seven furlonger.

By the way, is that the Vanderbilt?

No, that was the. The Allen Jerkins, the.

Jerkins. Pardon me?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Loved him in that race and ended

up being right. I agree with you.

He's a he would be Adel. Yeah, for me in this race.

Who'd you lay down on the mile? Full Serrano, John Sadler, the

Joker has got some flat. He can flat run.

I mean, his speed to burn. You know, he his first race in

the United States, he ran here at Delmar.

I think it was like a 21 3/5 seconds for the opening quarter.

21 and 2. Dan 21 and 2:21 and 2:00 and the

Joker won it because I couldn't believe it.

And then he came back in the Pacific class and he ran

extremely well. Could have won the race.

He got ran down in the stretch by mixed though, so full Serrano

for me in the Dirt Mile. Another horse that I like as a

long shot in that race is Tumba Rumba.

He just always shows up and he always fights.

So if he's close and they turn for home and, you know, he's

maybe in the lead or he's about to, you know, be up with the

leaders, if it turns into a dogfight, he's going to be

there. You get 30 to one on him.

Brian Lynch is a great trainer. Luis Saez in the saddle.

I definitely could see a situation where he breaks

through in this race. He's got a similar year to Ushpa

Tesoro as far as just the wins and seconds and that kind of

thing. Here's the question I have for

you 2 guys because y'all are obviously a whole lot smarter

than I am. I agree.

Sees the Gray. Oh, there's a question.

Sorry. Sees the Gray.

What do you guys think about him?

He's a horse, very gutsy. Out of the Wayne Lucas barn.

You know, Wayne trains him hard, but this guy runs really hard.

What you think about sees the great in this race?

Two turn mile is a dream for him.

That's what I think. I think he's absolutely live and

if he's anywhere near 12:50 it's going to be a pounded bet for

me. Everybody's looking at him like

as if he needs to have the lead and he needs to kind of have it

his own way because of the Preakness in the Pennsylvania

Derby. But you go back to his Pat Day

mile. The one time he actually got to

run a mile, you know, he sat off the pace and he made a strong

run in the stretch. And I was at one turn.

This one's going to be at two turns.

But I, I don't don't see how that could be negative for him

going around two turns at the one mile distance.

You know, there's a lot of good horses in this race, but don't

sleep on him. He won the Preakness for a

reason. A long shot today that you

happen to like in any of these races.

I think Raging Torrent, for example, wildly, wildly playable

in the Sprint on the dirt in race 10.

He'll break from the one there, 3 for three since getting back

to the dirt. I thought he looked really great

in the grade 2 paddle. Brian.

I'm sure people will look at the six furlong form and think, oh,

he he needs 7, but he's in the lead at six furlongs in all

those races, so he doesn't really need that anymore.

He's just been better his last three long shot play that you

like today. You know, I think and he's not

like a tremendous long shot, but what about Carl Spackler at six

to one in the mile? You know, and he's come off some

really, really, really good races.

So I like Carl Speckler, maybe Gold Phoenix in the turf.

How about him for Phil d'amato? Phil d'amato to me is the West

Coast Chad Brown, excellent on turf, has lots of good turf

horses. So, you know, Gold Phoenix,

maybe he he might be somebody that could get there in the turf

race and upset the European apple cart.

Love that wow that that would I would pay stacks as the kids say

my friend Sean Collins. Do you have a big log shot you

like today? One of the long shots that I

really like is going to be beach bomb in the Philly and Mayor

turf. She's 20 to one in the morning

line coming in from South Africa.

She, you know, has had two starts so far in the US that a

grand motion used them as a build up to be here because she

came to the US with the goal of the Philly Mayor turf.

He says he really thinks the distance of a mile and 3/8 is

going to help her in that race. And so I think she's been, you

know, for over a year now, she's been targeted at this race.

People are going to look at those last two efforts, you

know, on the board, but not winning in those two races.

And I think she could definitely be right there and maybe pull

off the shocker. We're going to wrap up the show

there and I have to say, I really just planned to have

Danny on for like 10 minutes today.

Sean happened to be walking by and now we're 55 minutes into

this. Guys, this was terrific.

I really appreciate it. Have a great day here at Del

Mar. What's your you come here once a

year, Danny? Is there a go to food or

something here that you really love?

Well, you know I I love the Delmar area.

I've got several here. I went to one of my go to's last

night, the Taco stand in Encinitas.

Some of the best tacos you're ever going to find right down

there on the strip. Very villagey like love it down

there. There's a Maurizio's Tattoria

down there. I ate a Maurizio's last night.

Unbelievable. That yes, yes, he yeah, it is.

It's just unbelievable. It's it's it's.

Been horse racing on at the bar. Exactly right.

You know, cuz, cuz Maurizio is a big horse racing guy.

We've kind of developed a race ship because I've been coming

out here the last 12 years for the Pacific Classic and we eat

there every year. There you go.

Well, I remember a politician a couple years ago ran on oh, no,

there's going to be a Taco truck on every corner.

And they lost badly. And I'm like, good, you should

lose. We do need Taco trucks on every

corner. Well, I'm Lou Rebo.

This has been horse racing happy hour on ESPN 681057 live from

Del Mar Good luck with all of those wagers today.

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I'm Louie, Thanks for hanging out with us.

Have a great rest of your Saturday.