BloodHorse Monday 7/28/25 | Gabby Gaudet & Perry Ouzts

I guess with a stairwell in the backdrop.

My name is Louis Ribow and this is Blood Horse Monday hanging

out with Sean Collins. I've been Detroit.

He's in New York. Why not?

You know, the things that we do for podcasting.

Sean, how are you buddy? How was how was how was the week

on the shore in in Jersey? Oh, it was great.

I was able to unplug a little bit, relax, lay out on the

beach. And now I will say I started

getting a little feeling, feeling like I was missing out a

little bit. I didn't see a horse for several

days, which was weird to me. So it's nice to be nice to get

back and start seeing some horses on Saturday.

But it was, it was great week. Great chance to wind down and

get ready for the second-half of the Saratoga meeting.

I was going to say, you're going to be a busy guy coming up here

for sure. A couple of really fun races in

the past. I should shut up, set up this

show before I get going on what happened before.

We'll talk with Gabby Godhead moving into a new role at

Keeneland as the director of communications there.

I want to pick her brain a little bit about what she sees

as as that job moves forward, but also kind of tap into what

she's accomplished so far in her her career as well.

I talk about her as though she's 60 or something.

Sean. It's.

Estimated, I think to Gabby that there's been so much that she's

already done and seen and and worked on.

But of course, 230, man, this is our halfway through for us.

I say I say 230 like people are watching this live with.

Us yeah, people know what time we.

Film. This one we actually film.

This or gave it away that we filmed.

This as well I mean this particular one is being done at

this time. But yes, but Gary Oots man, one

of the more interesting stories in horse racing this year is him

breaking the record for most mounts in North American history

at the ripe young age of well into his 70s.

Sean. We'll talk to him halfway

through the show here. Excited to have Perry on

appreciate Byron King by the way, for at bloodhorse.com if

you want to see all the coverage of Belterra there on Saturday.

Sean, do you know the place he ran on on his his

record-breaking mount? Where they.

Finished. Yeah.

Third place. Third.

Place is exactly right. So there you go.

There's your question forever. In which place did he finish in

the record-breaking mount? That would be in the money, in

the money and. We got to give him the shout

out. He did win the record tying

mount as well, so we got to give him that shout out.

OK, win and then third in the money both races there.

back-to-back again. Sean Collins, Lyubow blood horse

Monday hanging out with you. We did have a couple of stand

out performances from the past weekend on the three-year old

side of things. Of course, the Whitney happens

and sovereignty wins again. Jim Dandy, you're a week ahead

of us. Oh my gosh.

Not the other race that ends in why I apologize.

For the end of the show, we talked about that race at the

end of the show. Louie, end of the show, Louie.

I'm just ready for it. That's the problem.

I'm really just ready. These older, these handicap

division races I'm just ready for.

But anyway, we get sovereignty again and this race reminded me

a lot, Sean of his Florida Derby where I wasn't sure which

version of sovereignty we're going to get it, blah, blah,

blah, blah, blah. OK, so he runs a a huge number

another, another very fast time, etcetera.

I was thinking about a couple of different things with

sovereignty, but one of them that I would love is if he goes

to the Breeders Cup Classic and runs in the in the in the

classic and runs a better time than Flightline did.

That would give me so much pleasure and just so much

happiness as a horse observer for this guy to just show up and

run like a Monarchos type time in the 10 furlongs and just do

that kind of thing. But I who says he won't?

What's that? Who?

Says he won't. I think he can.

That's kind of my point is I think he can.

I also think by the way, Flightline could have but he was

ahead by 30 lengths so it didn't.

Yeah, there, there was no need. I don't think Flavian was

wanting to do too. Much there, now the stretch.

What's your reaction though, to that race from last weekend?

I just, he just knows how to win.

It's it's as simple as that. He didn't really need to

overextend himself. I love seeing that he was up

closer to the pace, like he was sitting in that second spot.

Then he dropped back as everyone else tried to get that jump on

him at on the backstretch, tried to get ahead of him and see if

they could outrun him. And when Junior actually asked

him to move forward, I mean, he just, he just inhaled them.

It never like it was close with him and Baeza down the stretch,

but there was never any point down the stretch where I thought

he was at any risk. Junior was pretty much wrapped

up by the end, even though he only won by a length.

So I mean, he just, he just keeps on, he just keeps on

winning and you can't, you can't fault him for that.

And I did like seeing that kind of being able to sit close, drop

back, and then still be able to come on and run.

That was something I've mentioned that I've liked about

journalism, that I've liked about Burnham Square throughout

the years, their ability to make those multiple runs.

He's showing that as he's developing and as he's maturing,

I don't think it matters what running style he has anymore.

I don't think you can just call him a deep closer anymore.

I think he could do whatever the race desires him to do.

Did Baeza take a step forward? Did he get better this race

here, Sean? Yeah.

You think so? I think so, yeah, definitely.

I think he's developing and I give big shout out to him.

There is, you know, talking to the Horsemen on the backstretch,

talking to fans of the sport, people.

Love that horse. Yeah.

People love that horse, but it just, it goes to show you how

good he is, but also how good sovereignty and journalism are.

These three horses are considered by a lot of the

horsemen to just be simply a step above the rest of the crop.

And it's pretty good crop once you get past them too.

But I still hasn't won a great at stakes race.

And yet he has run well enough against these two horses to

where he is considered by everyone else to be a step above

and he hasn't gotten that stakes win yet.

So shout out to him. He read huge.

They were well clear third place.

Stakes win, dude. He's eligible for non twos man.

I just want to go do it while you sell the condition, right?

Like 80 at Del Mar tomorrow. Yeah, right.

I, I, I can never tell because of what, how you talked about

sovereignty if Baeza actually took a step forward here or not.

That's the only difficult part for me.

I know what I have with sovereignty as far as my brain

is, you know, processing and looking at him and watching him

and all those things. I feel like I know what

sovereignty is. Why is this a difficult one for

me to figure out? And I don't know if it's a

simple as, you know, if we saw this horse in a West Virginia

Derby or something, he'd be the favorite and he'd win by 100.

Or if we saw him in, you know, I don't know.

I, I don't know, I don't know the other race where he fits

Sean. But it it, I cannot quite figure

out what by his is going to do where he's going to cap out it,

I guess. Well, I think the reason why I

say he took a step forward was because it seemed like he he was

taken out of his game a little bit in this race.

You could tell that they knew they had sovereignty to beat and

they were trying to beat him. I think they made a little bit

of an early move to try to get ahead of Sovereignty.

They were calling on him a little bit earlier to try to

keep that versus we've seen in the Derby in the Pre or the

Derby in the Belmont, he was behind Sovereignty as they were

coming down the stretch. You know, the Derby, they were

kind of side by side until he got stopped in some traffic.

And so I think they tried, they tried that strategy with him and

it worked for the most part. I mean, obviously they didn't

win the race, but he still ran a huge race.

So I thought they took him out of his game a little bit and he

still ran huge. He still gave Sovereignty a lot

to handle in the stretch, which is why I say he kind of why I'm

confident with saying he did take a step forward in that

respect. Yeah, Baeza a a good second

there. We saw Lovesick Blues become a

Grade 1 winner. My favorite stat about him, he

broke his maiden in mixed company with quarter horses in

Louisiana. That is how Lovesick Blues began

his career. I wrote it another place in a

race preview that I loved his inclusion in this race.

Sean, catch this. Put him in your exactness,

folks. He might hit the board here.

I think he's got a big shot. I did not have him winning and I

didn't have him winning in spectacular fashion.

Did you have the exact? I did have the exactness, so

that part's good. The Bing Crosby itself.

And I want to say this because I, I, I want to be very careful

about my words. There are lots of different

kinds of grade ones, and the Bing Crosby is one that elevates

horses that maybe stakes winners already, but elevates them in

those moments to Grade 1. I think of no one better than

that than the chosen Braun, who for years was a cow bred

masterpiece of picking off, you know, $100,000 races, $75,000

races, whatever. And never by the way, never a

criticism from me if owners, connections, whatever, want to

pick off those state Rep races, Go get your money, go go win

your races for sure. But when he moved into that

company and then backed it up by winning again, that's when we

knew the chosen run was legitimate and the Bing Crosby

for some reason, rather than any of those favorites that had had

higher level, you know, roll on Big Joe's A2 time grade 3

winner, right? Coming into that race.

Lipstick Blues hadn't tried the dirt this year, right?

I mean, since moving to Libretto Borrasio's barn, that's a horse

that that just had been running on the turf and only at Santa

Anita, shows up at Del Mar, gets on the dirt.

Now, because of the conditions in Southern California, you see

a lot of horses switching surfaces for sure.

But just, I mean, a remarkable story here, Sean, what comes to

mind for you when you see Lovesick Blues win a great one?

I was just, I was surprised. Yeah, he's one of those horses

where you kind of had to do a double check on Equibase and be

like, wait, where where has this horse been running as they came

down the lane there. But it's it was so nice to see.

Obviously Lebrato was very emotional after the race.

That was nice to see him celebrating getting.

I mean, that's a huge accomplishment for any trainer,

but to do it on that stage, get the Breeders Cup win and you're

in on top of it. Such a great moment for him.

And so that that was the part that I really enjoyed was kind

of watching, watching that celebration.

And I just, I love when we get these big long shots in these in

these big races. Sometimes it really helps to

shake things up. Yeah, Len with libretto too.

He's having a nice year in Southern California, so this is

sort of a an exclamation point on what else is going on out

there for him as well. Niceos Man showed up, did the

thing in the hit San Diego Handicap as well at Del Mar

Sean, I expect him to stay on the West Coast.

He's an obvious candidate for the San Diego, excuse me for the

Pacific Classic now. And are we allowed to dream now?

You know, because we've had the conversations about who's

probably going to go to the traverse and I think we'll have

lots of good horses in the traverse, including the

aforementioned Sovereignty. I think there's a chance at

least, and this is on bloodhorse.com, by the way,

right now, connections around journalism saying, hey, we got

to wait a couple weeks to make a decision.

I'm not calling anyone any names or anything else, but I'm just

assuming that means we're going to get settled back in.

It's been a lot of travel, a lot of grade ones, a lot of very

good races from our horse. Time for him to chill out a

little bit and time to look at that Pacific classic.

Are we allowed to dream about a journalism Nicos Pacific

classic? Oh my God, show off.

I'm just with how the Whitney's shaping up.

And then I keep, I mean, I'm just I'm soaking all of it.

I'm soaking in all of it. I All of it.

All of it. Man, oh man.

Well, this is one of those things when I was thinking

yesterday about thinking back on sovereignties when in the Jim

Dandy, one of the things I thought about is man, we are

really lucky in this sport this year to have what we have.

Because remember we came into the year to talking about how

great the four year old division was going to because of how many

of those horses were coming back this year between yours and the

Sierra Leone. Nicos being one of those and to

see on the East Coast the field that we have for the Whitney to

see Nicos out there on the West Coast to know in the three-year

old division. We have sovereignty journalism

by ASA. We are really spoiled this year.

And then on when you step away from that, look at all the other

divisions as well. The turf division looks

fantastic both on the male and the female side this year.

The sprinting divisions look fantastic this year as well as

when we get to the Breeders Cup in November.

I mean, it's going to be on Show of Stars that entire weekend

with the amount of horses that we have, top horses that we have

that are in the game right now, and it's really a really lucky

time for us. So yeah, get excited for that.

Nicest versus journalism. If that's the first time we get

to see one of these big three-year olds go up against

older horses, right? That's going to be 1 hell of a

race for sure. I actually don't know the

conditions off the top of my head.

Is the Whitney 4 and up or is it 3 and up?

I think it's 3 enough because didn't didn't Secretariat run in

the Whitney? OK.

So that's a good interesting question.

Do you wish Sovereignty were running in the Whitney instead

of having run in the Jim Dandy? Oh, of course.

OK, that would have been awesome.

But I I understand why he's not. If your goal is the Travers, you

know why. Wait.

The extra week, yeah, Why wait the extra week and face?

That's a good point. Yep, that's a good point too.

Maybe hurt his, hurt his confidence.

Maybe if he doesn't fire as well as he wanted to, or he sees

fierce this is. I mean, he would have won but.

Yeah, yeah. I'd say that it's like I'm

confident if journalism goes specific classic, I'm thinking

journalism over an isos. I'll say that now.

Journalism over an Isos. I like that prediction.

That's how you do that. All right, I told you before I

think top two horses of the country sovereignty of

journalism any age so we'll. See.

Very consistent on those things. That's exactly right.

All right, well, Gabby's here. Let's get Gabby in here.

Joins us from Keeneland. How about that?

I get to say that out loud. I'm with that Gabby Gonnett, new

director of communications. Big smile over that one there at

Keeneland. Gabby, you got to be excited.

Thanks for joining us today. Thank you for having me.

Yes, it's been an absolute whirlwind to say the least since

last week when the news came out.

I was expecting a little bit, but not, definitely not not to

the extent that has been over the course of the past couple of

days, but it's it's very exciting.

Obviously I have, I have felt a range of emotions between

closing this chapter, a little bit of sadness, you know,

closing the chapter at FanDuel and opening this new door at

Keeneland. Very, very excited.

Bittersweet I guess is the right word to use, but extremely

excited for the next chapter. What goes into that, that

process of deciding on the next chapter?

I think that's the as I fly decides to join me on screen

here. What goes into that decision to

to move from the broadcast side to the communication side for

you? A couple of things.

I think first and foremost, it's a lifestyle change for me moving

forward because I live in Louisville, KY, during the

winter and the summer, it became increasingly difficult.

I was always going to have to travel.

I mean, even going back to when I had my first son, I, I moved

out there for the entire summer at Delmar and he was couple

months old and Norm, my husband was at Saratoga.

I went to Delmar all that myself.

He flew back and forth often. But I mean, it's just kind of,

that's one of many examples, I think when I first came back

from maternity leave with my first son as well, he was three

months old and we moved to Arkansas and spent the winter at

Oaklawn. And so when I came back from

maternity leave, I worked at Art at Oaklawn and he was there as

well. So it's just been life on the

road juggling a lot that I think was a huge part of the decision.

And secondly, I am really excited about this there.

I think from my position, having worked in television and

FanDuel, and even prior to that the Fox shows at Naira, I have

been able to see a lot of things that have been going on that

sometimes can be frustrating even and exciting at the same

time. But I want to be part of, I want

to, I'm excited about being a voice in this industry moving

forward and maybe being part of a positive change.

Yeah. You mentioned earlier maybe a

little surprising the response that you got.

Probably a lot of that was the fact that it's Keeneland.

You know, that's kind of one of one of the peaks of the sport is

being involved with Keeneland. How excited are you to just be

part of the Keeneland family officially now?

I know you've been there many years broadcasting, but to

officially be part of that Keeneland family moving forward?

I can't emphasize that enough. I have done, I've worn a lot of

hats for Keeneland thus far. Obviously the simulcast Scott

Hazleton and I, we've done the Today at Keeneland show, we've

done the simulcast in the afternoon that's been ongoing

for the past several years also was announcing at the sales.

I've done a lot for them as well as AUS sales representative and

in that I have met all of the people within the organization.

And I've also seen things change over the past several years as

well at Keeneland. And I love the team there.

I love the broadcast team that I've been able to work with,

Krista, Marilla, Shannon Arvin. These are women that are so good

at what they do and I have so much respect for them.

And that was another big part of this decision was the ability to

learn from people like them. And I'm, I'm jumping at that

opportunity. Gabby Gaudette with us, the new

director of communications there at Keeneland, quote, Gabby has

been an integral part of the network for over six years, and

she will be deeply missed by both her colleagues and the

FanDuel TV audience. And when you will do the sappy

stuff first here, we'll get it out of the way, Gabby.

But when you hear those kinds of words from folks that I know you

really respect, what what does that?

What does that drum up on you? Yeah, I think that quote was

from my current boss and Becky Somerville.

She has. She has had my back for like the

last several years as I've tried to navigate these waters.

And I got so much support from her, so much support from our

executive producer and Chris Lee, so much support from high

atop the ladder there and FanDuel and everything working

its way down. My Co workers have been, when I

say that, I know a lot of people say this, but they truly are

like a family. We love and hate each other all

the same time, but we have deep, deep friendships that go way

back. And when you're on the road with

people, you know, you, you share a lot of memories.

And that definitely has been the case with some of my Co workers

at FanDuel. So that is certainly a very sad

chapter to close. However, I'm still around.

I keep telling them this. I'm like, I'm probably going to

see you more often. Like I'm leaving this earth.

I'm here. I know you're retired or

something. I was, I was joking with Sean at

the early part of the show, Gabby, that I was talking about

you like you were 70 or something, you know, all the

jobs you had had before. And I'm like, that's not what's

happening here. So Gabby got that one.

I wanted to ask because it is mentioned in in the release at

Keeneland at least that you're going to continue as a Co host

of today at Keeneland alongside Scott Hazelton who you

mentioned. What went into of that decision

making process? Was that a, hey, I'd still like

to do this or did Keeneland want you in that role?

Did Scott ask for it? What?

How did that happen? I think it was kind of all of

the above. That show has just become so

popular. It's crazy when we're when we're

at Keeneland, we have so many people approach us and say we

love today Keeneland. And so we really thought that

that would be a big loss if we cut that show.

So we're certainly going to be doing that and in the afternoon,

I'm still going to have a bit of a presence, especially on big

days, but more so from a journalistic standpoint, not

necessarily from a hardcore handicapping standpoint.

So you might be seeing a couple more interviews, definitely post

stakes interviews, but maybe even pre race interviews.

And that's kind of the the pivot that we're taking, at least in

my role on the simulcast. But that today at Keeneland, as

of now, we, we got to keep it going because it's such a great

show and the broadcast team do such a phenomenon.

Job with it. Well, you mentioned some of the

changes that your new position has is going to make on that,

but is there anything from your time as a broadcast or any ideas

that you want to bring into your role as a communications

director that maybe weren't there before?

Absolutely. They're, it's hard because

Keeneland is the gold standard of everything that they do.

And Amy Gregory did such a phenomenal job for so many years

in that role. I'm really excited to kind of

pick her brain and try to figure out how this thing has

functioned and see how we can move forward with it.

But in my role as a broadcaster #1 just being able to tell

stories, I, I miss that. And I'm excited to do that a

little bit more, whether it be internally or externally,

definitely within the industry and be able to hopefully

establish, you know, a network of relationships with local,

national media and help share those stories.

Next year's going to be huge with the Breeders Cup coming

back to Keeneland that's involved with that.

And then even sometimes when just being able to disseminate

information correctly and quickly, sometimes the nature of

our sport, crazy things can happen for better, for worse and

just be able just being able to give that information to media

outlets in a streamlined manner. I think that has sometimes been

a really frustrating thing being on air is that you kind of

sometimes get bits and pieces of information and this is a live

thing and it's all happening in real time.

And you just wish that there was a, a more streamlined process

and getting all of that information up up-to-the-minute.

So that's kind of one thing, that one thing of many things

that I'll be focusing on. But guys, my brain is just

going, I have so many ideas and I think that was part of the

process and me saying yes to this position and also Keeneland

reaching out to me in the beginning and then the evolution

of what this role could become. We started brainstorming ideas

and we kind of came to the conclusion that this is a great

fit and we're really excited about some of the things that we

can do. Gabby got out with us, new

communications director there at Keeneland.

I look a horse player, so I think of the racing at Keeneland

first. But certainly when you visit the

property it's impossible not to think about the sales.

It new, not necessarily. I shouldn't even say that it's

not a new arena for you at all, frankly.

But dealing on the on the sales side of things, what challenges

do you think that brings for you?

I think the sales and speaking from first hand experience, when

I first started to dip my toe into the sales world, I was

extremely overwhelmed to say the least.

There's so many moving parts. It's very fast-paced.

And the rate of sale, like the Keeneland September sale where

you have thousands of yearlings and you have so many people

attending the sale as well. You know, it's definitely #1

there's so many wonderful stories to tell within that,

whether it be the buyers, the sellers, the Breeders, and being

able to kind of tell that story and then follow up on it, even

connecting the dots couple years down the road as well.

But also just providing information, maybe opening a

door to people. I've seen, I've seen folks come

out to the sale that are interested in buying horses and

they just also looked, look somewhat overwhelmed.

So just being able to kind of help guide that narrative and

provide information and tell the stories.

I mean, I, I am happy that I have some experience in the

sales world. Otherwise this would seem like a

huge mountain to climb, but now that I have had that experience

over the past, I would say four or five years, I feel much more

confidently about that part of the role.

I think that's something that a lot of people don't realize is

how how much is involved with Keeneland on the racing side,

the sales side, everything that goes with that.

But you also hinted at it earlier, got the Breeders Cup

coming up next year. How are you, how excited are you

to have one tackle that challenge, but two just be

involved with an event like that?

Oh, I'm so excited. I've obviously worked with

Breeders' Cup to a certain extent in the past, whether it

be actually many moons ago working for Breeders' Cup, doing

the the world feed. We definitely, I did a couple of

those shows and then establishing some of those

relationships with Breeders' Cup even through FanDuel.

Very excited for them to come. I'm glad that it's next year

because it gives some. Time.

To get my feet underneath of me and then I can kind of tackle

that. We're just kind of taking it

step by step. But the team at Keeneland is

amazing. It's a very collaborative

environment and I feel that if I don't know the answer to

something, I can call someone or schedule a meeting with someone

and we can collectively find the answer to it.

So it definitely seems like I have a bit of a safety net as I

make this transition. But Keeneland, you know,

Breeders' Cup next year, very exciting.

And then we also have the construction that's going on.

So yeah, there are big things in the near future for Keeneland

and I'm excited about it. You know, you're, you're coming

into a spot at Keeneland that's part of a, a wider 5 track

circuit here within the state of Kentucky.

You want to say something nice about Darren Rodgers or are we

going to shove him aside? What are we doing here?

No, but the other teams in the state too, I mean, you know,

Kevin Kerstein and other people that are, you know, involved in

the other tracks. You're, it's a, it's a good

group and frankly a season group that you're walking into.

Oh, I love them. I'm very close.

My husband and I are very close with Kevin Kerstein, very close

with Darren Rodgers. We all go way back and yeah, I

hope they don't mind, but I'm going to be picking up the phone

and calling Taryn probably a lot to get some advice along the

way. And it's, it's funny because I

have been able to network with these, with individuals either

currently in this role or previously in this role at

different race tracks throughout the world really.

So I think that's also amazing that I can kind of, if I am

stuck in a situation or I have an ideal to kind of bounce ideas

off of people within this industry.

I mean, I'm really excited about that.

And I'll, yeah, I'll be leaning on Darren and all the other

people to help me through in the early.

Days good forewarn, gentlemen. She's calling all right.

Well, she's thank God that new director of comms now they're at

Keeneland. Well, I am sure we will run into

you very soon. Really appreciate you jumping on

congratulations. And I know as a father of four

myself that that some stability is always welcome.

So congratulations. Thank you so much and thank you

for having me on. No problem.

There you go. And we will, I'm sure, be seeing

her much, much more as we move along going forward, going

straight into Perry. I like that we doing that going

straight into Perry Utes I like this.

This is a great look at that edit straight into the Iron Man

himself. Perry Utes joins us here on

Blood Horse Monday. Why not lock it in, Sir Perry,

how are you? I'm.

Good. How are you we're?

Doing great, man Unbelievable. Sean, go ahead.

I will let you go well. First of all, congratulations on

just, you know, the career that you've had.

For those that don't know that are watching this, you just

passed on Saturday, the record for most rides by any jockey in

North America. I guess just First off, what

does that record mean to you personally?

Well, it means I spent a lot of time in the saddle.

It also means, Perry, that you had a lot of people who really

trusted you with their horses, with their, you know, with their

investments and all of that kind of thing throughout the years.

Great owners, I'm sure great trainers trusted you with their

great equine athletes. Which ones stand out to you?

Probably too many to mention. Like I said, I've been doing

this for 52 years, so yeah, it's been a lot.

Well, what was it when you were a young 18 year old, getting

first, getting in the saddle first, riding in races?

What was it about the sport that got you hooked?

Well, I was always real small when I was a kid and I had a

cousin who was a jockey and I just thought that would be the

greatest job in the world because I liked horses ever

since I was a kid. And I just thought riding horses

would be great, make a living at it.

And when I graduated from high school, they, my cousins, they

called me and said, come up Chicago, we'll make a jockey out

of you. So seven days after graduation,

I was on the racetrack. There's something about this

sport, Perry you know we just we lost the great Wayne Lucas this

year at 89 years young, still getting on a horse every day.

Tell us what is it about getting on a horse every day that you

that you guys just can't seem to get enough of I.

Guess you get one therapy from it.

I think that's right. I think there is something

therapeutic about that, that connection with a, with a horse

and all those kinds of things. Perry, do you, I mean, does

that, does that number mean a lot to you as far as getting to

the record? Does it matter or is this or do

you see it more as just, hey, this is what I love doing, so

I'm just going to keep doing it? Yeah, pretty much, yeah.

OK, yeah, All right. I, I, I think that's a

reasonable approach. And I, I, I, I appreciate that

very much. When you see, and I don't know

if you see this, but or maybe you hear it, but when you see

the push from around horse racing, especially from horse

players, for you to be included in the Hall of Fame, what does

that mean to you? And do you think you should be a

Hall of Famer? I don't really get that much

thought. I always tell the people who

have control of that I said they're saving me a lot of money

because if I got inducted the Hall of Fame, I'd have to fly my

whole family up there and, and make a big deal out of it.

So they don't, they're saving me money.

That's something I don't really it, it doesn't bother me one way

or the other. You know, if they want to do it,

that's fine. They don't, that's fine too.

And it's I don't really, I don't lose a bit of sleep over it at

all. Well, you know a lot.

Of times I'm a Hall of Famer in my own mind, So there.

You go. That's all that matters, right?

You've heard of that. Well, you know, you've been

riding in the Cincinnati area on that circuit.

Belterra parks your home. You ride a turfway during the

winter. A lot of times people kind of

make that reference of sometimes it's better to be a big fish in

a small pond than a small fish in a big pond.

Branching out. What is it about that circuit

that you really enjoy and that's been so successful over the

years? Well, I like to win that.

That is my favorite thing of the horse racing part.

I just very competitive and I just like to win.

It's like Russell Bay's, he was a good rider and he could go to

Southern California and he could ride with the best of them, but

he couldn't win 45-A day in Southern California.

So he went back because he just loved to win.

And that same thing I do. I just, the winning part's more

important to me than, you know, making a bunch of money or

making a big splash on the big, big stage.

So I just always stayed around here because people always rode

me a lot and always won a lot so and I got to sleep in my own bed

every day so. Seems underrated.

I'm I'm I'm agreeing with you Barry Oots here on blood horse

Monday. Appreciate him jumping on after

breaking the North American record for most mounts in a

career. Tell us how much longer can you

do this, do you think? And how much longer do you want

to do this? Yeah, it's hard to say.

I've been trying to quit for three years now and I'm still

here every day. So yeah, I I have no idea.

It'll probably be one of them days when I just wake up and

don't feel like going to work and probably won't tell nobody

nothing. I just won't show up for work

one day. It's like the movie.

I don't know, Sean, if you're old enough to have seen a movie

called Goodwill Hunting where it just shows up and and the will

character is just gone, that's going to be Perry's just going

to not show up to work someday and everybody at Belle Terre is

just going to have to deal with it.

Does that sound about right here?

Yeah. It's pretty much, yeah.

Well, Perry, I also wanted to ask you about your relationship

with Pat Day, a jockey probably a lot of people know from his

success in the Triple Crown races.

He was up at Belterra to help you celebrate that monument that

you had. Just what has your relationship

been like over the years? Well, I've known him for, I

don't know, 50 years probably or more.

Me and him had to bug at the same time.

We started out the same year, Yeah.

He didn't Remember Me when I was in Chicago, but I remember when

he came in, he was right, riding at Sportsman's Park.

And I heard everybody saying, mentioning his name and stuff.

And I didn't really think nothing of it because, you know,

I was a bug rider and he was a bug rider and about, I don't

know, 5-6 years later, he's on top of the world, you know, and

I just ran into him all the time at Churchill.

And, you know, we'd always talk and everything.

And he's just such a gentleman, that guy.

I mean, he is just talk about an ambassador for horse racing.

That's him. But yeah, he came up from my

7000 win, you know, and I just thought that was really cool

that he would take the time out of his day, you know, to, to

come up and root me on and stuff.

And yeah, like I said, we've been good friends, I guess 50

years. Jocky Perry with us here.

Go ahead. Do you ever tease him about the

fact that you're still going and he's not?

Add that to the resume. That's right, Perry, you know,

Larry Smith is, is the source of many of your mounts.

And you know, I think people could see that and think, oh,

maybe Larry's not. No, he wins at 27%.

He hits the board at 64% with his trainees.

Talk about your relationship with Larry Smith.

Seems to be a really good one. Yes, I started riding for him, I

guess about 10 years ago, and he turned out to be one of the best

guys that I ever rode for because he's very loyal.

He doesn't get upset when horses run bad.

This is his philosophy. If a horse runs bad, he's like

favorite eight to five, he said. Well, we'll check him out back

at the bar and we can't find nothing wrong with him.

We'll just get rid of him, let somebody else worry about him.

And that's him every day. I mean, he is just so laid back.

And so I don't just relaxed in his training.

And he just does very, very well because he places his horses

good. And he's kind of like me.

He don't really do this to make a living.

He does it for fun, you know, because he had a job where he,

he worked all of his life and he retired from the Ford plant and

now he's, he just does this for fun, you know, he said, don't

get me wrong, I don't want to lose money at it.

He said, but this ain't how I pay bills.

You know, he just, he doesn't because he enjoys winning.

And that's pretty much the same way I do.

I just I do it because I like, I still enjoy the winning part.

And you, you mentioned doing things for fun.

I know you also like riding your motorcycles as well.

Is it something about the the wind in your hair, the wind

hitting your face between the motorcycles, the horses?

What is it that you enjoy about this?

I. Think it's the speed, like with

the horses, the same thing, just fast horses and fast motorcycles

with fast cars, the way I've always been my whole life.

I've always drove like a sports car, always drove a motorcycle.

I always try to get the fast horses.

Sometimes that didn't work, but you know that's for another day.

Blazing Tony and So far so good on the day that you break the

record. So Far So good is going to have

to be that horse that all of us remember for future random

nights at the bar. Trivia questions about horse

racing on score. So far so good.

Is that? Is that a way to sum up your

career? You got another like 50 years in

you. What are we doing here?

So first, I don't think 50 years.

I just, I didn't go day by day. Now good.

Oh. That's awesome, Gary.

We appreciate it very much. Congratulations.

Just an unbelievable, unbelievable record.

Who is the most surprising person to reach out to you about

it, do you think? Like I said that day, I thought

that was pretty good. We showed up.

I'd heard that morning I was doing a radio interview and

somebody has said in the background that Pat Day had

asked him what time was this going to go off and he was going

to be there. And that's first I'd known of

it. So.

Yeah, very cool. But I kind of, I kind of thought

he would because I said he came up from a 7000 win and I said

we've just been good friends for a lot of years and but still

that's, you know, taking time out of your life to do, you

know. So yeah, I felt pretty special.

That's awesome. All right, well, Perry,

congratulations. Thanks so much for joining us

here at blood horse And hey, let's let's you know a couple

more 1000 miles will be OK. You know, get to 10 thousand

10,000 miles here we could do. That if I could get like 400

more rides I could be 54,000. That would be pretty.

Cool, I like that. There you go.

Might be another goal I could set for myself.

Goals around here? There you go, Perry.

Perry, Appreciate it very much and enjoy working those horses

this week. Good luck at Belle Terre all.

Right. Thank you.

We'll see you. There you go, Perry.

Why not? All right.

From Gabby Gaudet periods. We have the best game in the

world. It's not close.

I'm sorry. We don't.

We do. It's the best.

It's the best game in the world. It's not close.

Yeah, he said he's going day by day, but he said he's going day

by day. I have a feeling he's going.

He's still going to be riding for a while.

That's what I that's what I got out of this.

That's the other part of this is, is, you know, he breaks the

record and we are 10s of thousands of mounts into the

man's career. He's in the money in both of

those races and wins one of them.

I mean, this is not, you know, they're not just.

Yeah, we're not just throwing them out there.

Yeah. Oh, we.

Need some. Is there anybody here in the

stands that can ride a horse today?

That ain't what happened. That's happening here.

He's winning races still and and doing all the stuff and man,

just an incredible career to this point.

If people don't know, that is how 53,579 starts with 7515

winners, 7500 trips to the winner circle.

There is nothing wrong. He said he likes winning.

He does just the other day. So again, congratulations to

Perry Oots on all of that incredible numbers and all of

the things. So I'm very, very happy for him.

And frankly, he's one of those guys, Sean, that just, it's an

easy to root for sort of guy to just say this is what I like to

do. I'm just going to keep doing it.

And it's all of us can at least relate to that part.

Oh, yeah, exactly. Success in that level and that

kind of longevity. No, I cannot relate to that in

anything that I do. So yeah.

Yeah, he's, he's so popular around the circuit too.

Every time I go up to Turfway and he's riding, I always hear

people say, oh, Perry's riding today and same thing.

You know, with a couple times I go up to Belterra, I've been

able to see him riding there too.

But it's everybody in that circuit when he's riding, it's

everybody's talking about it. Everybody's watching to see if

he can pull off another win. He's been doing it for a long

time. He knows how to do it.

That's exactly right. And back to Gabby, just, I know

we went interview to interview. I'm interested because she did

keep that part of the show. And by the way, I want to be

clear that is a good decision on her part.

Like that's a popular show and they need to keep that moving.

Her and Scott are very good together.

Anything else stand out to you outside of that?

God, just her excitement to be in this role.

It's that was the main thing that came through to me is how

excited she was to be taking on this new challenge.

You know, a lot of, I feel like for a lot of people that maybe

are not involved as much in the media side of things in their

careers, they don't realize that a director of communications, it

is a lot of print background usually.

And so to be coming in as a broadcaster, that is a challenge

and she's really excited to take on that challenge.

I think she's going to do a phenomenal job in this.

Sounds like she's already got a great, a lot of great ideas

already, but that just to her excitement level, her interest,

that's something that you know, is definitely going to carry her

forward. That was the main thing that

stood out to me. Yeah, I think that part and the

other part is, and I appreciated her doing this.

I think people don't realize the that that FanDuel lifestyle of

that I I just had to be a Del Mar new baby husbands in

Saratoga. Congratulations, you're in San

Diego and it's it it's just that is the lifestyle and I think

people are kind of I don't say they underestimate it, but they

they perhaps just don't know about it, right.

It wouldn't be something that would be on your radar unless

you had, you know, been in that situation.

And so I'm always amazed at how different aspects of the

industry work that way. But it's interesting too,

because her story isn't dissimilar.

You know, we had Dan Ellman on a couple weeks ago from the

Maryland Jockey Club, and he's their director of comms.

And not dissimilar things where there was just a desire to be in

one place, right? To just kind of be in one spot

rather than moving around. And, you know, you hear these

stories. I mean, I remember when our kids

were younger and they were at a school and there was a trainer's

kids who also went to that school.

And they had a plan set up because four months a year, the

kids went to school in New Orleans, right?

And that was just that was the life.

And and, and so when you hear someone like Gabby with young

children, it also kind of hits home.

OK, we can have a base. You know, she mentioned she

lives in Louisville, you know, have a base in Louisville.

And then Norm can, you know, her husband can, can train where he

needs to train and do those things.

And she can be in a spot where she can still work, be in the

industry, but, you know, was able to have that stability as

well. So I think that'll be good for

her. But you're right that her

obvious enthusiasm came through very clearly.

Yeah, and you know, everybody to your point there, you know,

everybody watches TV and you just see, you know, the the

people on fans will TV, they pop up at 1 track, they pop up at

another track. And you don't realize how much

behind the scenes stuff they have to move around in order to

be able to be on California one day and Kentucky the next to be

in New York and all these things as well.

This is the kind of stuff that we have to deal with in an

industry like this because it always changes where the big

races are, where you need to be. And so just like you said with

Dan Illman out in Maryland, there's a lot of times it's just

being able to settle down like you need to do right now.

Is that fly? Is.

Unbelieving. This is the fly.

Continuing to pester you as we go throughout this episode here.

You're distracting me now from whatever I was going to say

there, but. So there you go.

All right, let's bring in Frank Eggs.

Frank got to write a piece because I did an interview.

So that's a good reason to bring in a man in front of a book.

But I'm kidding, of course. Frank Eggs, of course,

bloodhorse.com. Go check out his dollars and

cents column. This is actually from last week

now, Frank, but it's based on some of the comments from Dennis

Raisin, who's in the management team there at at Monmouth Park

and a bit about fixed odds and different things.

Sean and I were talking off air and I think Sean doesn't mind if

I do this, but Sean is is a is a holding on to paramutual and

paramutual only guy in these things.

And and I I get it. I'm a paramutual guy as well.

But the fixed dots just laid out a very good case, I thought last

week for it, Frank on this show and essentially as younger

people in his mind get introduced to wagering at all

through sports and they get used to a fixed odd, they're going to

want that for sports as or for horse racing as well.

Excuse me. What I was surprised at the

reaction that we got, Frank, and This is why I wanted to talk to

you is how viscerally people respond to fixed odds.

They are so married and so devoted to para mutual, which I

understand, but it is, it is remarkable to watch, is it not?

Yeah, I mean, I've I've seen it both ways and people I can't

understand why racing hasn't moved to this sooner and and

others very much want paramutual to continue to take the lead.

I I just firm. I personally think both can can

flourish and and work together to to build interest in the

sport, which is the main goal. And, and first of all, I wanted

to say terrific interview with Dennis and I was looking for a

column idea and I was like, boy, we can bring some more attention

to this terrific interview you did.

And, and some of the things Dennis always has terrific ideas

and, and thoughts and it's always good to hear him.

He's one of the more thoughtful people in the sport, especially

on the gaming side. And we're really on our every

slot. Monmouth Park's doing a lot of

good things and has for a while and try to to keep that track

going strong with which it is. Yeah, he mentioned, you know,

they're putting in the $20 million investment into the

sports book side of things. And it is something Frank, you

know, as as a guy who lives here in the middle part of the

country in Kentucky, we don't see that brick and mortar sports

book doing well, Sean, you've been there.

There's people in there all the time.

And I, you know, and I was talking with, I bought an iced

coffee on the 1st floor on Friday ahead of of the the

Haskell Eve there. And I was chatting up the guy at

the stand and he said on football Sundays, you can't move

around Monmouth Park because there are so many people in and

out of there. And it's an interesting spot,

Frank, because they very clearly it's not a racino in that sense

where there's slots and there's that kind of stuff.

But they are, they have made it into a place where, Simply put,

you are wagering on sports, whether it be sports or horse

racing. And I, I think it's an

interesting model. And I, and, and I asked him, you

know, do you think it's replicable around the country?

And he said absolutely. And my hope is that it is.

I mean, obviously the casinos know what they're doing.

They continue to build massive hotels and massive casinos and

everyone that you everyone of those that you step in where

where they have it, they always have the sports betting and the

horse betting or side by side poker's usually right there too.

So all of these are kind of games of skill where you're

competing against other people. Sports betting is, is a game

against the house, but still sort of if this if if most

people think the Washington commanders are going to win,

then you can get value on whoever they're playing.

So even though it technically goes through the house and and

really that's what the fixed odds wagering would be.

I think Dennis was spot on and that New York very much wanted

to focus on getting Belmont, the new Belmont in place and all

that going, which they have. And I, I think they are, and

that they've, you know, done us. They, they have.

David O'Rourke has been a proponent of fixed odds wagering

and I think Naira's focus is very much on that right now.

One of the things they're focused on they, they do have to

have a law change in New York to make that happen.

But hopefully that hopefully for me, hopefully it becomes

reality. I mean, I, I think one thing

that people forget is that fixed odds is always going to be

really a win type that we're always going to need the the

pick fours and pick fives and all those types of exotic

wagers. But I think it is fun to have a

fixed odds wager. You can do more with future

wagers. You know, a Kentucky Derby wager

could be on every three-year old in the country that they want to

give odds on. You know, Churchill Downs, I I

know is concerned about opening things up like that because

they, they don't want to, they want to continue to have their

own. And I understand that you don't,

you don't want to lose control of that.

So it has to be well thought out.

There's I'm completely certain of that, that that has to

happen. But I, I just feel like there's,

there can be a model that works and, and we've seen it work in

other countries where the, when betting can shift quite a bit to

the, to the fixed odd side and we can still have successful

exotic wagers. And what I really believe is

there's a whole market out there.

I mean, everybody with an app that is betting all these

sports, they're being trained. And that's one of the hardest

hurdles for horse racing is how do I bet?

Well, the good news is right now a whole generation is being

trained and how to do that. And while it's not the exact

same, it is very similar. You're looking for value and

when when you think there's that value in the odds, you take

them. So I think racing should take

more advantage of that. The sports betting platforms

have done some of that. They've launched some horse

racing apps and that are closely tied with the sports betting

apps and they're doing some promotion of that.

But ideally, horse racing would be right there with all the

other sports and you could have some cross sports wagers where

you, you know, you bet on the Cincinnati Reds and the fifth

race at Ellis Park and some American League game, you know,

however you want to do it, which.

You brought up a pick 4 every. Day with every other sport.

Yeah, he brought up a pick four with a Mets game or something in

it. You know, I think that's, that's

fun, man. I I really do hope we get to

that point. I was trying to ask him and I

and I didn't I obviously didn't formulate the question properly,

but I wanted to know if there was a way for, you know, fixed

odds to actually turn a profit for for tracks, right, Where

there would actually be, you know, like like it is in in

sports betting, like it's it's legitimately profitable for the

sports books. If there was a way to do that

and then you could lower handle or lay, excuse me, lower take

out on exotic bets that are para mutual, right, Like that kind of

thing where where it could even out over time and that sort of

thing that we see more money in both of those pools.

I'm not sure but. It's a challenge because yes,

the in general, the outlets that are taking sports bets are not

paying those sports like they're just saying I have to take that

money and the horse racing needs to be more than that.

This has to support purses and has to support the race tracks

that are putting on the show. I think it can be done.

I mean, I there, there's opportunities there when, when

you look at the pricing of some of our signals which we've

written about that too. And and the good news is the

pricing has gone up. So tracks and purses are being

some more supported than they were.

But just knowing some of those, I think it can work on the fixed

odd side. What's your what's your general

move forward here, Frank? Would you would you try to push?

Frank? You know push is wrong with have

fixed odds largely as a win play show kind of feature.

Oh, I think that's where the interest would be.

I think paramutual is still the by far the better option for

multi leg races or multi tier, multi tier wagers or multi leg

wagers that that's always going to be I think where where that

resides. But you know, the the fixed odds

wagering, I think offers you can lock in that price and you can

see what your payout is immediately.

I think that's very attractive. The betters, you know, if I do a

parlay on three different sports teams and LA Daily Cruz, they

hit a home run. I can immediately see what that

payout will be and I can decide to take it or not in terms of

what to watch if if this happens in New York.

And then I think you have enough players to see if this can can

really work. And you have such a popular

circuit in naira. So you would have that that

number of players that you need and you would also have a very

popular racing circuit. And I think then we would get a

gauge and we would get an understanding of the if this can

work or not. Last one, Frank, how unusual is

a guy like Dennis Drazen and I? And I'm not not any kind of

negative way, but willing to go to court like this, willing to

litigate this in a way that's different than waiting on state

legislatures and that sort of thing.

He's a really unusual character too, because he's he's in

multiple, he's in a he's in a wagering Hall of Fame.

I mean, because he's so forward thinking on these kinds of

issues. Frank how?

I mean, how much of A whale is? This guy, he's out.

I mean, I, I mean, when you look at just how big sports wagering

is in this country, how many people are going to remember

that a relatively small track, mid tier track, Monmouth Park

really led the charge on making this happen.

I mean, it's, it's quite incredible when you think of the

billions of dollars in wagering that have been opened up that,

you know, he was definitely when Monmouth was the point track

and, and Dennis was the point person on this.

I mean, he's just committed to finding a way to make racing

work in 2025 and that's all, you know, whatever year you want to

say, that's been his commitment and it's great to see, you know,

if if you're not having the paramutuals going down slightly

each year, find a different way. If if you're not getting casino

type wagering at the track in New Jersey, find a different

way. So and sports wagering was a way

that I'm sure when he first brought it up, he was told

1,000,000 reasons why it's not going to happen.

And sure enough, they made it happen.

So it's really, it's quite incredible.

And I, I think everyone involved does realize that you need, you

need more players and, and more tracks the big time.

I think if New York comes on board, we'll we'll kind of see

if if this can work. We are prepping the magazine for

August. What should we be looking for

there, Frank? Oh, it's a so this we've talked

about the Wayne Lucas tribute and and that's that just came

out. So that that's out and the the

print edition website and daily it's a things are really picking

up at Saratoga and fortunately we have Sean and others up there

this week. We'll have the round table where

the Jockey Club kind of outlines issues that it's thinking about

and outlines its activities. So that's always a big industry

news story. And then Friday's the Racing

Hall of Fame, so that'll be huge.

And then a big racing weekend, which you guys have thoroughly

covered. And then right into the Phasic

Tipton Saratoga Sale. So just a very busy week on on

track and off coming up in Saratoga.

There you go. All right, Frank, we appreciate

it. Again, QR code at the bottom of

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sent straight to your house. Beautiful photos and all the

great stuff that Frank just mentioned.

Oh gosh, I wanted to ask you about one more thing and I am

totally blinking on what it is. Oh, what was I going to ask

Frank about? Oh, man.

Oh, you know what? You would have been really

proud. Actually, it's not even that

it's a comment. Sean and I were at the Haskell.

You know who dominated the Haskell and and in the media

room? Bobby Hall, Bobby E dominating.

It was great. The Dean of of the room.

The guy was he was doing great. So there you go.

Catch Bob up in Saratoga, too. Yeah, Bob is just been a point

so critical to our racing coverage and just does a great

job day in and day out and can read them every day at

bloodhorse.com. He also contributes to the

magazine and the daily newsletter, so he's on all our

platforms. He's a busy guy.

Good guy, Bobby Hall. All right, Well, thank you,

Frank. Another good guy down there at

Blood Horse. Talk to you next week.

Thanks, Louis. There.

You go all. Right, so we'll visit with

Frank, little dollars and cents, little fixed odds.

I'm not going to ask you about it because I know how you feel.

Let's move on to the races. He's coming and you're wrong.

All right, So let's get into the next couple of races here this

weekend. But hey, the Whitney field comes

up the way that it does, Sean. And these are, you know, when

we, it's one thing for us to watch a bunch of horses announce

as 3 year olds or their connections at least.

Hey, we're going to race at four.

Hey, our four year old's going to race at 5.

It's one thing to hear it and then it's another to see it on

paper and see it in the past performances.

And then eventually in the starting gate, we've already had

this moment of one of these races a couple of them.

Frankly, the Churchill Downs everyday stands out as one of

these races that we had a collection of these older

horses. Then of course, the Stephen

Foster also at Churchill this summer, this one at Saratoga

here. Here are the names folks.

Skippy long stocking, Highland Falls, Mama's gold, Sierra

Leone, disarm white, a barrio contrary thinking fierceness and

post time. Sean, this is this is the good

stuff, man. The only horse missing from this

is mine frame of course, but. He's there, but not he's

available. He's available if needed, but.

Anything stand out about this field?

Is there an upset winner in here?

Maybe to you? Anything stand out?

Well, I think this is the main standout is as you said, this is

at the start of the year when we looked at this division, it's

races like this that we were so excited about where they all are

healthy. They're all here minus mind

frame, but we'll see him at the Jockey Club Gold Cup.

But I mean, everybody's here that you would.

I mean, you may maybe you'd want Nicos to have come out for this.

Maybe, you know, first Mission Mystic Dan, you know, there's

still a couple horses maybe that we're missing, but we're getting

one of these big time matchups. We're gonna see what Sierra

Leone is made of after he showed signs of his old self and the

Stephen Foster. We're going to see a fierceness

and what a barrio can bounce back off the Met Mile defeats.

And you know, on top of that, you have a horse like Post Time

who, you know, always gives us all.

He can run at several different distances.

He ran very well in this race last year.

And so you have a horse like him and Skippy Longstocking who

always shows up. So you have the top tier, you

have a good supporting kind of B tier that could jump up and win

this race if it works out for them.

And then you even have like, you know, some of your longer shots,

like Disarm, who could potentially, you know, like, I

wouldn't be shocked if he put it all together and something

happened and he ended up winning this race.

So it's a good field. Top to bottom.

This is exactly what we want. It's really deserving of the

title of being a Breeders' Cup Challenge Series race.

Yeah, it's a Grade 1 for sure. There are grade ones and then

they're grade ones. And this is a Grade 1 for sure.

I talked earlier about, you know, that Bing Crosby kind of

being a graduation grade one. This ain't it.

You are Grade 1. This is you're the best horse in

your division race period. That's what this is.

And the Whitney, yeah, Yeah, the Whitney really in the last, I

mean, it's always been one of the big races.

But I think especially with, you know, the Breeders Cup being

where it is and a lot of kind of the old New York schedule kind

of being moved around, the Whitney has really kind of

turned into that, that highlight race in the summer that if you

have one of the best classic division horses, you're going to

be in the Whitney. And we're seeing that this year.

We're seeing we have a really deep classic.

Division this year for sure, no doubt about it.

Should be a fun one there on Saturday.

Sean will be on hand as a Bobby halt will as well.

How about that and more more Bob mentions on the show.

We need to get Bob on here. All right, well he's Sean

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