BloodHorse Monday 11/17/25 | Jayson Werth

All right, welcome in. It is a November 17th edition of

a show called Blood Horse Monday.

Yes, we're in the same studio. Yes, he's Sean.

Yes, I'm Louis. Yes, we're trying a new

configuration. If you happen to be watching on

YouTube or Spotify and you don't like it, let us know.

How about that? I know.

Well, we we got. It's forestry 6A little, I mean.

We got a couple of comments this week, but the good news was it

was people watching the show for the first time.

So we're expanding the reach. So that was that was the good

news of that. But yeah, we're we're shaking

things up a little bit. We have heard the the need for a

little extra space between. Feel like, was it Mystic?

Oh, it wasn't the Mystic day in ownership that gave us a hard

time. The first was that the first

group to really be like maybe are y'all in a phone booth or

something like that? What are you?

Meant secrets out that we were in a phone booth for that

episode but. I am Superman.

Yeah, right. Yeah, so.

Well, you know, we just, we're, we're widening the gap a little

bit. So hopefully nobody comes

running through. That would be the shape of.

Everything hopefully, hopefully nobody comes running up in

between US and on to victory. And we just, we blew everything

by splitting apart a little bit here, but we'll have to keep our

keep our eyes behind us as we're as we're going throughout the

Pacific. Claiming crowd over the weekend

yes frankly a a wagering success.

Some of that stuff is difficult to know Sean just because you

know they're washed out of Del Mar right, you know high winds

hitting other spots the next day for sure, but I mean I think

people people have figured out what that event is and what a

betting opportunity it is etcetera.

You were there on Saturday and I and look 7000 people on track

and I know that's not going to set any attendance records but

that's enough people for it to be loud and fun and that kind of

stuff. I people dressed up because it

was one of the last warm days of the year.

You know that kind of stuff. Just a fun day.

That's great deal. You got your.

Hat. I did get my hat.

Thank you to Aaron Campbell, back I made.

Sure to wear it on the episode today.

If you were listening to last week's episode, you know, we had

we had the conversation about that.

Should I tell the story about that, please?

Of course. So yeah, if you watched last

week's episode and you know how we were talking to Eric about

getting the. President of the National.

President National. National.

HBA, which runs the claiming crown with Toba.

And so we were talking about getting me the hat.

I love, love my merch. So I walk into Club SI ahead of

the claiming crown and I I head over toward the direction where

we're we're supposed to be sitting as the media and Eric

Hamill backs there. He's holding a big box of the

hats and so like I walked over. I didn't even get to say hello

to him yet. His first interaction?

With me he. Didn't say anything.

He just handed me that. There's nothing to say guys.

Here you go. There's nothing to say exactly.

So it's just hat exchange for you.

And by exchange, I mean you're not giving anything back

Exactly. You're Sean Collins.

You don't sell for people things.

You get hats for people. We got the head Jack got the

claiming crown hat I'm. Good to go now you're not

wearing something that was given to you by someone else there.

I mean, hey, if they got more claiming crown, they got

jackets, vests, whatever. Hit me up with those.

But yes, so I had to make sure I wore it here just so everybody

who watches and I was we were successful this weekend in

getting the hat. But besides the hat, what it was

a fantastic weekend. I think I told you this on

Saturday afterward the the atmosphere during the jewel

itself. Yes, fourteen horses thundering

down the stretch, people. What, nine of them with a chance

to win? Yeah.

And but but you mentioned the crowd size, I mean the roar of

crowd where where I was standing up on in my usual spot in 317

right above the finish. I mean, everybody was going

crazy during that stretch run because everybody had a shot.

I mean, not obviously I don't want to compare it to what the

Kentucky Derby is like, but. Or the oaks even though.

It's, you know, because those are those are so, so out there

with what they are with the, with the.

Craft on any on any racing date anywhere, yes.

But you know, there are certain races where at Churchill Downs

where I think back to Rich Strike coming down the stretch

in the Lucas Classic, just races that the reaction just stands

out. It's not Derby or Oaks, but it

just stands out from what you would normally see in any other

race at Churchill. And the jewel hit that as they

were coming down the stretch. Just the thrill of the 8 to 8 to

9 horses having their shot. Everybody's absolutely for

whichever horse. And I, I told you this as well,

they got to the three sixteenths pole, the 8th pole.

I actually felt chills coming up just listening to everything,

seeing the stretch tool. So it was a phenomenal race

there. That not to mention all the

other races. How many photo finishes did we

have or close their head? Half length finishes did we have

this weekend. It was a great day of raising

the numbers, backed it up. And I agree with you.

I think, I think for one, it being at Churchill Downs, that

helps a lot because for one, it's a racetrack that people are

already paying attention to. You know what, it kind of just

helps to lift the validity of what the event is that this is

an important event if they're having it at Churchill Downs.

And also from not just from the wagering standpoint, but from

the competitor standpoint, the amount.

We had a lot of great coverage on Blood Horse leading into the

claiming crown. Every person that I talked to

leading up to the race all complimented Churchill Downs for

the job that they did and, you know, making sure that they were

settled, they had what they needed for the week.

And also just complimenting the fact that they've got to run a

horse at Churchill Downs. That means something to a lot of

people. And Eric Hamelbeck mentioned on

the show last week about how he thinks that having it at

Churchill at more central location.

They can handle the shippers, they just can.

Yeah, and that's right. Well, and there's a lot of a lot

of people that we were talking to this week that said, you

know, I've had horses that could have run the claiming crown

before. But you know, I'm I'm up north

at in Minnesota. I couldn't I didn't want to take

them all the way down the Gulf Stream or I didn't want to take

them the opposite. I'm in Florida.

I didn't want to take them all the way up to Canterbury.

And so that that kind of central location I think opened the door

for a lot more people to be able to come, to be able to

participate in the event. And it LED that fantastic couple

days of racing. We had a couple, you know, we

had a quite a few favorites that won throughout the day.

But you saw big long shots coming in the second third, they

turned for home and the jewel and the horse in the lead was

over 100 to 1 and he ended up finished finishing fourth.

So it was just a great day of racing.

It was a fantastic from top to bottom.

Congratulations to all the winners, Double Your Money had a

big run there in the Jewel and then also Concrete Glory and

Echo Lane. I want to give a special shout

out too for. Waiting to come back.

That's right. No, you know, with double your

money as well, you get a jockey and Melvis Gonzalez and I

tweeted this out. He had 14 Twitter followers when

he crossed the. Line, I think I was #16 or 17,

but I saw that he. Crossed the line with 14 Twitter

followers and what, a $200,000 purse?

Yeah, that's what it's about. It's legitimately what it's

about. And it's, you know, it is nice

to talk about the blue collar horses in the sport.

It's nice to talk about, oh, this is their 14th or 15th

start. It's another thing if you're

Melvis Gonzalez and $120,000 is going to your connections.

Yeah, that's a that's a different, different thing.

And so for a guy like that, congratulations for sure.

By the way, great ride. Oh, yeah, awful.

This right. Let me get you a bunch of

traffic. He had the finest way through

there. No, he did a great job that way.

So it it was kind of an exclamation point for me just on

what the claiming crowd is supposed to be.

And by the way, what it is, it's not what it should be.

It is that it offers guys like Melvis Gonzalez a chance to be

the top dog at Churchill on a day with the Ortiz brothers.

Both won a triple. Yeah, Luis Saez won.

Luis Saez wins a bunch, OK, You pick off the jewel and those

guys are in that race. Those guys are in that race.

And you beat them. And come on now, that's

fantastic stuff. That's what I'm talking about.

But you mentioned so many of those horses coming back and win

the Echo Lane story, Ron Crichton and that connections

and all those things are very cool story there.

Concrete glory comes up, gets it done again.

Their connections were going bonkers.

I needed sappy. There though, the lack of the

laugh of man Bun was really it. It brought the day down, I'm not

going to lie, but. Well, we'll get we'll get him

back next year. You hear me sappy, get up here

next year. But no.

But do you think it'll continue with Church?

By the way, I I think a couple of shots, I won't do one of

them, I don't know if it's on the record or not, but the

second one is that the 14 horse field in the jewel happened

because Churchill asked for it. Yeah, it wasn't the, IT wasn't

the HVPA. 14 horse race either there were a.

Couple of that's right, it happened because of that because

the racing office at Churchill went to the stewards and said

we're not going to run 12, can we run 14?

By the way, lots of credit around here.

Stewards, yes, the HVPA for filling the gate, right, But

that also, Churchill gets some credit for going out of their

way to make sure that as many of those horses can run as

possible. Awesome.

Yes, All right. Well, and you look at the

alternates, there was one race, we had four scratches and we

still had a full gate because we had four alternates.

And so and so, yeah, it was just all around.

It was, it was a great event. I highly encourage if anybody

has the opportunity in the future to attend the Clinging

Ground in person, if you haven't watched it on TV, to watch the

race on TV, races on TV. It's just, it's just so much fun

getting to put the spotlight on the people who don't usually

have the spotlight. That's what I've really enjoyed

about it the last couple of years.

And but yeah, I do think Churchill definitely loves

having it. They, they, they've realized how

important of an event that it can be held.

And especially at this stage of the year where we're after

Breeders' Cup and people are kind of looking for, we're in

that in between where Churchill's going to have the

Clark at the end of the year at the end of the month, the two

year old racing at the end of the month, Aqueduct right after

that with the with the Cigar Mile cars, the Renison and Del

Mar with the Hollywood Derby and some of their big, big races at

the end of their meet. So we're kind of in that in

between spot where people are looking for stuff to wager on

and you have 8 races of full. Fields.

I mean, why wouldn't you be paying attention?

I know it's not the top quality of horses, but it's, it's a fun

challenge and you can get the you can find those horses that

that hit at the big odds and. Yeah, if you're an exact a

trifecta player, there's nothing.

Better than that day there. Literally isn't anything better

because you need look you need more than 600 horses to make an

exact to pay worth it. You just do.

We've seen. That frankly, we've seen

examples recently where it's not even good enough.

But I mean, when you get to 12 and 14 foil force fields, you're

going to be talking about that. By the way, last year's handle

went over 10 million bucks and so we were pretty excited about

that, that part of things. It went up this year another

$2.6 million, almost a $13 million all sorts handle.

I imagine, by the way, many of those people were betting on the

FanDuel app. Yeah, I bet so and.

They're presenting this episode, so if you haven't downloaded the

Pandora race again, make sure that you go and do that as well.

Thanks for friends at FanDuel for hanging out with us.

Total number of starters was up five.

The average horses in a race that was was 10 1/2 man.

And this is the good stuff. That's when it starts to add up.

And frankly, it wasn't because the weather was a ton better.

It was a little warmer, but it was the same day as last year.

And so that's just exciting. I love that we're getting that

much, you know, that much emphasis and that much attention

on that event. I, I, I'm with you.

I they'd be hard pressed to find a better spot to Churchill on

that Saturday. And if Churchill's willing to

give up a Saturday for that, frankly, you probably got to

stay. You probably got to stay because

you got the facility, you got the two services and all that

kind of stuff. So I think I think it's there to

stay. Any other wrap up?

Any last thoughts? By the way, Joe Sharp, you owe

me. You're a bum.

You owe me. You owe me a coke or something.

You told me to take the over 3 1/2 you and maker winning races.

It didn't. Happen.

I've been taking the over 2. I know it's it's just I.

Know we'll we'll leave it at that great event, Joe.

You owe you owe Louis something here.

Hey, give him at least. A Coke Will Coke.

Well, let's welcome in our first guest today.

His name is Jason Worth. He's from Icon Racing.

He's in a car somewhere. Where are you, Jason?

Come on, tell us where you are. I'm just getting ready to get on

the Skyway Bridge here, going from Saint Pete down over to

Sarasota there. You go, it's gotta be warmer

than it's gonna be warmer. Than it is here.

Yeah, that's yes, it's a nice day, you know, Central floor

880°, partly cloudy, sunny. Can't beat it.

Yeah, that'll do it. Jason Worth, of course, from

Icon Racing joining us here. Did you take in the the Claiming

crown this weekend? Get any of your bets in there on

on Saturday. I, you know what I, I did, I had

some other stuff going. I had a member guest tournament

down here in Gator Creek. We had a, we, we did, we won the

tournament a couple years ago, but this year we, we didn't play

so good. But that took up most of my

weekend all. Right there you go.

He was messing on Friday with the golf.

That's what I learned. He was busy and Jason with the

with the golf. Well, Jason, I know, I know you

are newer to the sport as well. Obviously we know you had door

knock last year, win the Belmont Stakes and the Haskell among

among a couple other nice horses that you have.

But you, you can kind of sense already just how important the

claiming horses are in this industry, right?

And to have them have a day in the spotlight this past weekend,

that's pretty you. You can kind of sense that's a

pretty big deal. Yeah, no, we actually, we

started, I got, I put a group together to start a claiming

fund. We claimed our first horse was

Safi last week or the week before.

And you know, I think the claiming is, is a blast, right?

It's it's a good way to get action and, and, and get it and

get a, you know, known race horses.

Part part of the the tough part with with horse racing being an

owner is you know, you got, you got to play the long game, you

got to buy one in one or two and you know, you got to get them

trained and then you know, if you don't really have any idea

what they're going to be when you buy them.

So the the claiming horses is a is a is a great way to get into

the game and and I get some action on some proven.

Race horses, Jason Wirth with us here from Icon Racing.

Lots of different runners for you guys, but a a real

connection with trainer Wit Beckman.

What was it initially that drew you to working with him so

often? What is it about Wit that you

see moving forward that you think will be ideal for your

operation? So I, I think Wit's super

talented guy, you know, he's, he's, you know, he was with Todd

and Chad for I think 10 years of peace.

And, you know, it's one of those things where you, when you get

into the sport, you can either get in the back of the line or

you can, you can take a shot and identify somebody.

You know, you have common interests you get along with and

get in the front of his barn. And I think Wit's up and coming

and, and, you know, he's, he's get, starting to get some good

horses. But for us, you know, this with

Icon, it's, it's an experience for everybody to, to, to come in

and, you know, even though you own a small piece of the horses,

but we want to make everybody feel like they get the full

experience. You know, I keep coined the

phrase 10% of the 10% owner, 100% of the fund.

And what's been really accommodating with getting

people over to the barns and, you know, seeing the horses and,

and just, you know, communicating well and, and, and

talking people through it. He's, he's got a real great

demeanor on him. And, and he has a, has a really

good way about him explaining how this whole thing works.

And, and even me, I mean, I'm, I'm due to the sport.

So he's helping me out. But we've got, we've got horses

with a couple other trainers. You know, Wesley Ward's been a

mentor and a friend. Icon's going to have at least

one horse with him. Safi, I mentioned Safi.

Safi's been great. You know, of course I had door

knock with Danny Gargan. So a lot of these guys are, you

know, they're, they're great people.

It's just it's tough to break in into the sport and then jump,

jump the line to the front of the barn when people have, you

know, people have have relationships and I've had

success with with bigger owners. So I think it's just it's a good

opportunity for us. And I think we've identified an

an up and coming * and Whit Beckham, Whit Beckman, DD

Whitworth Beckman. That's true.

We can't forget the D. That's right.

Work for Lucas. I mean, hey, whatever it takes.

That's right. That's right.

But Jason, you and I have talked a lot about ICON racing over the

last couple of months. But for those who maybe are

watching and have not heard the story of ICON racing, just give

us a quick little synopsis on how you came up with the idea.

Obviously, you're a former baseball player.

You won the World Series with the Phillies back in 2008.

How did that transition to you getting into racing and then

that transition into you coming on ICON?

Yeah. So, you know, I got into this

board, you know, didn't really know much about it coming in,

you know, other than like the Triple Crown and and the

Kentucky Derby. I was, you know, like most

sports fans, that's about as far as my knowledge went.

I got into some nice, nice Phillies with some guys down

here in Florida with able racing and, and then I was at the sale

and and Keelan and and I ran to Danny Gargan at the bar and,

and, and bought a piece of Dornock.

And on the heels of Dornock, we had this amazing experience once

in a lifetime deal and it's so much fun to compete at the

highest level. And it was like, man, how do we,

how are we going to do this year in year?

You're out. Stay, stay in this game.

And it's a sport of kings. You know what it it it takes a

lot of of, of money to to to compete at the top.

Not you know, Doric was my first first colt I bought.

You know anyone that wins the Belmont in high school I I

realized how you know how special that is and and how far

fetched that is to think. Although the next year I bought,

I bought 2 Colts and one was Flying Mohawk and he ran back in

the Derby. So probably wasn't the right

spot for him. But 2 out of 3 isn't bad.

But on the heels of all that, you know, it's like, well, how

do we stay in this game? How do we share the sport with

with people? How do we get new people into

the game? I think, you know, the way the

with horse racing, the way I think to revitalize the sport

and to keep it going is to bring new owners in.

You know, if you look at the Australian model, that's that's

what they do a really good job of everybody, you know, owns the

owns pieces of horses down there and the sport is thriving.

So I think if we, if we expand the, the ownership, even through

fractional ownership like my racehorse and, and, and those

different syndicates like that with, with what we're doing, I,

I think we can, you know, bring the sport to, to do people bring

in new, new betters. And everyone's so concerned

about the handle. If you, if you have a, if you

have more owners, you have more people interested, you'll have

more better. So, and in my opinion, I think

that's that's the way forward with horse racing is, is through

through ownership of these syndicates like Icon Racing or,

or or a way to do it. Jason, working with us, you

mentioned Icon Racing and getting into ownership.

I learned this year that you were the 2024 new owner of the

year because everybody got really mad about Griffin

Johnson. You mentioned Griffin in a post

on on the socials. And I'm not trying to be flipped

here, Jason, I, I didn't know that you won this award last

year and I'm not trying to be flip about the award.

I also didn't know that you were sharing it with you, but.

I was Co Co a Co winner, Co winner of the award.

I didn't know there was a Co winner as well.

How about that? But.

Did you even know the award was there last?

Year. Yeah, right.

Did you know? Did I?

I don't think I. I'm pretty sure I probably

posted that press. Release Well, you know what the

thing the thing about awards is you don't really have a say in

if you get them or not. And, you know, and as most of

these things go, I mean, awards are, you know, unless you're,

you know, unless you're winning, like, you know, your MVP or

your, your Cy Young or, or something like that, most of

those awards don't really mean anything, including, including

this one, this new owner of the year.

I don't, I don't, I mean, it's, it's nice, it's something, but

it's not that big of a deal. And, and for Griffin to take all

that heat, you know, for that, for something that he had

nothing to do with, I thought it was just totally unfair.

And he's a nice kid And, and what he's doing is, is great,

you know, regardless of, of how you get into horse racing or, or

what ownership you have of the horses, if you're supporting the

sport, you know, if you're enthusiastic about it, if you're

help helping spread the good word of horse racing, I think it

should be a positive thing. And it just seemed like

everybody was coming at him. Plus he's just a 23 year old kid

and everybody just seemed like a bunch of jaded jerks.

So I, I felt like I, I needed to step in and play Big Brother

there. I agree with Jason Moore.

How about that? The other part is you mentioned

these syndicates. It's not like he just walked in

and bought Sandman. He, he's part of the ownership

group, right? Jason, frankly, he's doing what

you're talking about as far as getting involved with the sport

by not having to put down the full, you know, purchase cost of

a horse of the, of the caliber of a Sandman or whatever it

might be. He's doing exactly what you're

talking about. So yeah, it was a little

disappointing, frankly, to see all of that kind.

Of yeah. I mean, look, it's, it's, you

know, if you, if you're going to just limit it, limit the sport

limit to the ownership groups, to the billionaires, billionaire

class, to the elites, then, you know, I don't, I don't know how

the sport goes forward. I think that the way for is, is

through these syndicates and, and through fractional ownership

and still be it, man. I mean, if it's, if you own 1%

of the horse and you have, have the experience and, and of a

lifetime and you enjoy it, what does anybody care?

I, I really, I don't, I don't get it.

So I think this is an opportunity, though, for the,

the sport to really take a step back and look at, at what's

important and what drives, you know, the sport for what's going

to really going to move it forward.

That's going to be, you know, more people coming into the

sport, not less. You know, we're, we're seeing

subtraction all over the place from the amount of foals to the

amount of tracks. And I, I, I think that that's,

you know, it's, it's might be due to that sort of thinking

that, that small minded thinking that only a certain people can

own horses. I mean, I'm here to tell you, I

own 10% of dormant at the time of my life.

It was life changing. You can't take it away from me.

You can't tell me I didn't have that experience.

It was, it was quite incredible. And I don't care who you are.

I mean, unless you're, you know, Elon Musk or something, I mean,

you spend $30,000 on a $33,000 on a 10% stake and don't I can

and get back and get back over $1,000,000 in return.

That's, that's real money. And that was a bit, that was a

big hit. And you know, and that day at

the Belmont where you saw the video with me going, going nuts,

I had real money bet on him at 17 to 1 and, and cash that day

and went absolutely crazy. And that was authentic as, as it

could be. And that's what it's all about.

Well, I feel like seeing that experience that you had, seeing

the experience that Griffin has been sharing on, on his

platforms of with Sandman, I mean, that just helps to really

kind of broaden racing to a larger audience.

You know, you're, you're helping to bring it to more the general

sports audience, the baseball fans, maybe potentially other

athletes who are potentially going to get involved as well.

Griffin is bringing it to all his followers, kind of that

younger generation, people who didn't grow up watching racing

on TV. Now they're starting to learn

about it. There's a lot to be said about

both of you kind of helping to introduce racing to different

audiences, getting more people involved as you mentioned.

But what, what is it as an athlete?

I know you've you've talked with me about this before as an

athlete, I know this kind of fill fills that void that you

felt from retiring. Just take us into that a little

bit. Yeah, I mean, it's tough to to

move the needle when you when you play professional sports for

22 years, you know, you missed the competition.

You need the competition. But how do you find it?

You know, you can play golf, pick up basketball, men's League

Baseball, But I mean, nothing really, you know, gets you

excited like you were horse racing brings it out of you,

brings all the emotions out of you, even in like a, a claiming

race at Tampa Bay Downs on a Tuesday afternoon.

If you own a if you own a horse that's running in any race and,

and you and it doesn't, it doesn't move the needle.

You need to go get your heart checked because there's

something wrong with you. And horse racing really is, is

something that you know, no matter what you've done in your

your life, it'd be hard pressed to find something more exciting,

something more exhilarating. And when those horses leave the

gate, if you own the horse, if you own a piece of the horse, it

is, it is like no other experience in the world.

I, I said after we won the Belmont, it was, I felt like I

won the World Series and I, and it was, it was accurate.

That's, that's what it feels like to stand on a, you know,

the big stage and, and you know, get a big hit or, or hit a walk

off home run or something like that.

It it is it is like that. Well, you mentioned what what it

can be like there with the with the claiming races.

I know this past weekend you just won a maiden claiming race

with Queen of Queens. That was Icon's second win I

believe. Is that correct?

But what was it like getting another win on your Icons belt

this weekend? It was good, yeah.

You know, we ran her through the the the auction races and wit

thought she was well spotted. We she had a good workout going

into it. It's one of those things you

hate to lose horses And, and the, the, the, the owners that I

have an icon. Most of them are new.

So it was a little, little bit of a learning experience.

People, some of the people were upset that we were, you know,

put a put a horse in a clan racing and, and loser.

But that's part of the gig, right?

That's, that's part of horse racing.

You, you take your chances and you know, sometimes it's, it's

a, it's a good business play to, to put in there.

If you don't get claimed and you win, you, you, you got some more

options. So it's part of the game.

Obviously any wins is a big win, so it was happy to get the

second one in our belt. We got Nikon going this

Wednesday at Churchill and I got flying Mohawk back off of he had

colic surgery. He's coming back on Saturday in

a Grade 3, so a lot to look forward to.

Yeah, we're excited to see him coming back here in the

Commonwealth Turf on Saturday. But coming back in graded stakes

company, I know that's going to be a pretty exciting moment, not

just to be running in a stakes race, but to have him back after

that surgery, as you mentioned. Yeah, which says he's doing

great and he's such a cool horse.

You know, we, we he got second in that Jeff Ruby Stakes and got

enough Derby points. I don't know how in in the world

we would ever say no to run in the Derby.

You know, I'll I'll admit that wasn't the right race for him.

He's a turf horse, but you never know.

I'll I'll always be I'll always look back and and and know that

was the wrong decision. But if you if you don't run on

that race, you probably lay in bed all every night for the rest

of your life and wonder what if so, you know, and then we, we

sent him up to Saratoga twice. He got colic.

So we're we're going to take care of him.

He's such a cool dude. He took us to the Derby and

we'll see what he does this weekend.

But awesome horse. It's great to have a horse with

that caliber, you know, or bloodstock guys identified him

$70,000 a yearling out of out of the Keeneland sale in September

and, and he's just been, he's just been terrific, yeah.

Well, it's great to see him back this weekend.

We're hoping that he runs very well this weekend.

I'll come in, back off the bench.

But I just wanted to ask you, I've been, I've been able at

Saratoga to meet a couple of the people that you're partnered

with here on ICON Racing, get to see their experience for the

first time, cheering on their horses.

What has that been like for you? Last year you were kind of this

newer face in the industry, but now you're bringing these new

people. And what is it like to kind of

watch? Eric, the new owner is the hero.

You're talking to the new owner. Yes, you know.

OK, Co Co new owner. Don't forget me and Jon Stewart.

Look, I, I, it's, it's been awesome.

I love sharing this, this sport bringing people to the track.

Most people don't have any idea how cool this sport is at all.

And then if you introduce him as an owner, I mean, you really

feel like these horses are, are like, you know, family members

or family pets or, or something. There's this, there's this bond

that you have when you're, you know, part of an ownership

group. So the, the owners that we have

are loving it. They like they, they think it's

like the coolest thing. So my hope is that, you know,

people love icon racing. We get more people to do people

in, more people in, we get more horses.

We got, you know, we got lightning bolts running all over

the tracks all over the country. And if, if, if these, these

owners, these partners, they say, Hey, I, I want to go do

this on my own and they go start their own, you know, their own

racing company. They get their own silks and

they go do it on their own and we partner with them or, or

however it works out. That would be, that would be the

coolest thing for me. It's bringing new people and

showing the sport, making them realize how great the sport is.

And then they, they take off and run with it.

That's that's kind of my dream. Jason Werth with us.

I'll get you out of here on this.

When we were doing our post Kentucky Derby draw interviews

this year, Sean and I looked at one another and said we'll go

get Jason later. We know he'll stick around and

wait. The interviews, A2 parter, the

interviews for horse racing, are they easier than, say, a

Philadelphia beat writer story about play for the Phillies?

And the second part is, do you think you'll always be that way

around horse racing? Is it?

I mean, you know, seeing owners at the Derby draw, it's almost

like a oh man, we get to do this for a week, right?

We get this anticipation for a week.

Yeah. I mean, as long as you're in

this is it, is it easier than those those Philly, those Philly

interviews? And do you see, do you see

yourself just kind of doing all the interviews you can as you?

You know what? So yeah, when you play, you had

an obligation to do media, right?

So they would, you know, you, you had media times before the

game, you know, sometimes during the game and then after the

game. And it was, it was an obligation

that you had. So is this, it was just part of

your daily, you know, your, your daily workload.

Is this something you did? So for, you know, and you, you,

you talk to the media every everyday, multiple times.

It wasn't, it just became business as usual.

You know, I was just like, you know, put your shoes on, put

your spikes on. It's just part of it.

So with horse racing, I, you know, I'm, I'm just along for

the ride. I think it's I'm having as much

fun as as anybody, maybe maybe more so to, you know, to do

interviews and talk to media and, and be available.

And it's just kind of what I'm I'm, I'm, you know, that's all I

know. So it's not like I'm not put out

by it. It's just part, it seems like

part of the gig And, and I'm used to talking to beat writers

and, you know, other teams, other cities writers and

sometimes they, you know, you get to some of these, you know,

Dicks that are trying to like trying to put something, you put

words in your mouth or whatever. So, you know, I've seen it all.

I've I've I've I've been around a long time and, and you know,

the horse racing stuff, I'm still learning.

So a lot of it is just me like, you know, wanting to be around

it and, and want to want to, you know, talk shop and, and and

have ball talk. So it's it's no, it's no issue

for me. I love the sport.

I love being part of it. And you know, we're here to grow

Icon Racing as well. There you go.

Well, he's with Icon Racing. His name's Jason Werth.

We appreciate him jumping on Blood Horse Monday.

Jason, all the best and safe trips for for all your horses

this week as well. All right, very good.

Check us out iconracing.com. Send me an e-mail if you want to

join Icon Racing. Thanks guys.

There you go. How about that?

All right, iconracing.com literally e-mail Jason Werth.

How about that? Yeah.

How many people? Co Order Co Oh Co New Odor of

the year. Get that right, people.

Jim Johnson. How many people would expect to

have the opportunity to do that? Let's get some Phillies fans in

on some horses, right? They played a lot of places that

they ain't darn right. No, that's that's good stuff.

I you know, with the the infusion of new high profile

owners is interesting. Yes, yes, I mean it is a really

interesting thing and and I think that's kind of what's lost

and I appreciate Jason commenting on that.

So candidly, with Griffin especially, right it was, he was

an easy target because he's so visible.

If you wanted to be negative about it right now, you've spent

considerably more time with him than I frankly was an interview

on this show. And I, I happened to run into

him at Churchill has all that Twitter stuff in the corner.

What's going on? That's just he was, he was

having some fun with it. Frankly, we are lucky that guys

like Jason and Griffin are the ones and John Franklin getting

into this because it appears as though they're a little like

water on a duck's back, right? It's going to roll off, right?

Because this is especially online, this is a sport that if

you tried to get into horse racing right now and you ran to

Twitter, you'd be like, do I really want to do this?

Yeah. Twitter's not the place to go,

like, is that? Where you would go, And I'm

being very serious right now, I'm being very candid is like I

post my work on there, but I don't read the comments because

it gets bad. I know I don't.

I don't do anything on Twitter other than other than post what

I need. But to have Jason, to have, you

know, he's like e-mail me, I want you in on my team.

You know, a guy like Griffin putting all those things out

there working in the bar. I mean like doing this stuff

people are planning about. Yeah, I know this industry.

I feel like really well, even just just yesterday at

Churchill, there was there was an influencer who was visiting

the races for the first time. His name's Marlin.

He's got four and a half million TikTok forwards.

He was live streaming on Twitch while he was going around

Churchill and they were showing them around and everything.

So I posted, I posted a picture of it.

He's doing some challenge like 50 states in 28 days or

something like that. So this was what he picked to

be. This Kentucky.

Representative was to come to Churchill.

Downs, it's near the Indiana border, but he could be here and

do it and all this other. So I like the so far.

I like this very much. I'm ready.

For some of this so far, I know I, I posted a picture of it on

Twitter and somebody responded one of those like, oh God,

racing's in trouble Pittsburgh. And like this guy's just, he

showed up to get a little tour of the racetrack.

He's showing it to several 1000 people that were watching in

live and not to mention all the people that will watch it back

afterwards. It's like, why are we getting so

upset about exposure? But we are lucky that we have

Jason, we have Griffin and we have kind of these.

I feel like in the past we've had higher name, like higher

profile names in the past, but I feel like they haven't been as

open as far. As right, right.

Maybe that's like because it was pre social media days or what,

but they weren't as open as giving their experience.

You see a lot of high dollar owners get into the industry and

they don't really participate as far as like interviewing and

putting, putting their comments out there and like actively

advertising. It's just like kind of something

they do in private on the side is have resources.

And so to have these higher profile names that are

recognizable, that are promoting the sport that are making it

visible. If you can see videos like

Jason's video with ABR last year of him completely freaking out

when Doorknock won in Belmont, you can see videos of Griffin

going on to the backside and loving on Sandman.

You can see more of the experience that is horse racing.

And we learned with the Netflix documentary, People, people that

don't follow racing, they responded to that and they enjoy

getting to see a little bit more of what goes on around.

And people like Jason, people like Griffin, putting that in

front of people who don't usually get to see it is a huge,

huge benefit. For And by the way, it ain't

like Griffin's horse won like seven grade ones or something.

The guy's still all in. Yeah, and Sandman was kind of

around. Yeah.

Jason won the freaking Belmont right away.

Yeah. Like, he won it right away.

And I'm not putting down his, like, accomplishments or buying

into the right horse or trusting Danny Gargan, which you should

do. Like, I'm not putting any of

those things down. But the guy got he got in on.

But he he started on their base. I mean, let's be clear.

His first purchase story. It's OK.

Griffin did have that. And he's still out there and

he's still having fun and doing the things.

And I get it. If you're, I don't know if

you're easily annoyed by the world, I could see how you would

like happy people enjoying the sport.

But at some point, my gosh, man, yeah.

It is exhausting, by the way, because I, I got, you know, one

of the things I've started to enjoy is that people will

approach us at the track and say that they enjoy this show.

Do you know what people always say to me?

You guys have fun. Yeah, we enjoy what we're doing.

Freaking concept. What a bleeping concept for us

to bring happiness to this show. Exactly.

And like Jason, what Like I'm asking why'd you hang around?

Because it's a lot easier than hanging out with media dudes I

got to see three times a day who don't like me or think I'm

getting paid too much or something, right?

I mean, like it just we need to understand the entertainment

option of this thing way, way better if we're ever going to

move forward. But that part just, it drives me

crazy. It absolutely drives me crazy.

Whenever someone has fun with this thing, there's immediate

negativity next to it. It's.

Unbelievable. Now I've had, I've had, I mean,

I've seen Griffin at the track on days that he'll never post to

them. Of course.

He's still there. He was.

He was just at Churchill last week.

He just happened to be passing through Kentucky on his way back

to Florida. He stopped in to watch the

races. And so, you know, he he's in,

he's in it. People don't give him enough

credit for that. People, you know, talking to

Jason there, same kind of thing. I feel like a lot of times we're

not giving these guys enough credit for what they're doing

for the sport. Yeah, Icon Racing.

Go find their website, go e-mail Jason, go be part of the

ownership group there for Shul Wan.

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covered that way as well. Manny, Kentucky here.

He's local director of the HPPA. His name is.

What is your technical title? Dale, How are you this morning?

You're doing all right. What is your technical?

Title. I've got a lot of titles,

President, HPA, throw trainer, authority member, a lot of

things going on. There you go.

He's a busy man. He's running for Senate, too.

How about that? Hey, Yeah.

Dale's not busy enough. That's what we needed was it was

a Senate run for Dale. Romans joins us here on BLOOD

HORSE Monday. Lou Revoshawn Collins hanging

out with you. Thanks to Jason for the

previous. Go ahead.

Yeah. Well, Dale, the big news

obviously last week is the fact that you are running for U.S.

Senate. A horse trainer running for

Senate just went into the decision to go ahead and do

that. Well, I've always been a

political junkie. People close to me know that,

and that's why I got my daughter into politics.

She worked on Hillary Clinton's campaign, Pete Buttigieg's

campaign, my future son-in-law. He was Pete Buttigieg's schedule

scheduler, transportation department.

I've been on the HVPA board as vice president for 30 years.

I'm now the president. I'm on the racing authority here

in Kentucky. I was on the arena board.

I'm on the health and welfare board.

I've been in Capitol Hill many times on racing issues.

And when this seat came open, I mean, I called the governor,

asked him what he thought. He said, though, you're having

the rain. He said if Democrats going to

win out of Kentucky, it's going to be somebody with deep roots,

a little name recognition and no voting record.

I checked all three boxes. So I thought, why not give it a

shot? I mean, I'm on Capitol Hill a

lot and I see these people and I think I could do this job.

It's, it's interesting and Dale Romans with us that you, you

describe yourself as an independent Democrat.

As far as horse racing is concerned though, and you know

our end of things. How do you find the current

Senate to be as far as horse racing goes?

What do you think you would try to infuse there?

I don't think it's important enough for them to tell you the

truth. And I think that there's a lot

of things that they argue back and forth with and nobody seems

to really want to work on horse racing.

First of all, I said being an unfunded mandate, that's going

to bankrupt a lot of race tracks around the country.

The smaller tracks that are just as important as Churchill

Keeneland or any of the major tracks.

We need our our our smaller tracks also for outlets for

horses, for people to come up, people horses to go to and race.

You know, an immigration issue is a big one I've been talking

about. We need our labor force not only

on the backside, but for agriculture, for for

construction, hospitality, so many different spots that we

need this labor force. That's mostly what I've worked

on at Capitol Hill to try to get something where we have a common

sense immigration policy to where we can have the labor

force that we absolutely have to have.

Well, you mentioned that the immigration aspect of things

when it comes to this industry, just when when you're looking at

things like that as you're, as you're working with other

senators and things on that of that nature on Capitol Hill, how

much of A benefit does being a horse trainer give you and being

able to understand these issues and being able to relay those

issues to other people? You know, obviously the work

ethic that goes into being on the backside, it's running a

small business. How much does that really kind

of help benefit you in that regard?

Well, I've lived it. I've lived the fact that we in a

business that needs a labor force that the Americans don't

have to do. You know, there's a lot of

opportunity in this country for people, and so they don't have

to go out there at 4:00 in the morning and take care of horses

or or pick crops or get on roofs and hammer.

And so I'll know what I'm talking about when I'm there.

And I just don't think anybody's been willing to spend their

political capital on this issue. I think it's been a pawn for

both sides back and forth. Neither one of them wants the

other side to get to to get the win.

But we really need to do something.

I mean, deporting 11,000,000 undocumented people are here

being productive. It's not realistic.

We have to have them here working.

And so we got to figure out a way to do it.

I think there's an easy plan to do it.

We get an employer to sponsor someone to get a background

check. We know they're not the

criminals out there. We get them paying full taxes

and we give them a work permit. We're not talking about a path

to citizenship. We're just talking about a work

permit that's renewably annually.

So the small business will have a labor, the labor force that

they need. They can plan for the future

knowing that they're going to be able to have a labor force.

And it's it's all connected to affordability too.

If you don't have people doing the jobs, this affordability is

tough. Now it's only going to get

worse. So nobody disagrees with getting

rid of any criminals, murderers, drug dealers.

So I'm out of the country, and they've done a good job, this

administration of shutting down the border.

Now let's fix the problem, the big problem.

The overall immigration systems need to be reformed.

But until then, let's figure out a way to document it.

The undocumented get them paying their taxes, get them all

vetted, bring the goods out of the shadows and get rid of the

ones who can't. Dale Roman's with us.

He's running for Senate. Of course.

He trains a bunch of horses at Churchill as well.

Needed more things to do. That's what we heard.

Yes. More things for Dale Roman's.

The president of the local HPP here.

Go ahead. Idle time is bad for me.

Hey, know thyself. That's an important part of the

important part of all this ideal.

I have to stay busy 24 hours a day.

You know my golf game's going to suffer.

But I told my team I'm at the barn until 11:00 every day.

Nothing starts till after 11 whether I'm a senator or running

for Senate. The important thing is, if Dale

gets this cigar legislation that we need done, we'll get there in

a minute. Dale, we'll let you.

Just take us into as the campaign goes on for the next

year. And if you end up winning,

winning this race as well, what does that mean toward your

training program? What does the future of that

look? Like not nothing changes there.

I mean, I want to be there every morning just like I am.

I told everybody after 11:00 I'm free to go anywhere in the

state, do anything I need to do, do any shows, whatever I want to

do. But you know, training is some I

love. That's what I do, what I like to

do. That's what I want to continue

to do. And only, you know, the whole my

assistant though, has been with me 40 years.

We we started this business together and we've grown it

together. So he's a major asset to lean on

if I have to take a morning off here and there.

But I don't see much changing. I told him I want to be at my

races. Can we ask about horses?

Are we at that point, Dale? Is that?

Yeah, Let's go a horse. Project Ace What over the

weekend, Tell us about Project ACE.

Project Ace. Cool little horse.

I mean, he's a horse. And all summer he went out of

the Saratoga after he worked call home.

And I watch the videos and he he wasn't beating a lot of horses,

but he but after the works, he was blowing past everyone and he

never gets tired. And you know, that's how he

that's how he's been running too.

He doesn't have any speed, but it just keeps on coming.

That was a pretty cool race the other day to make up as much

ground as he did. I mean, I was going to, I was

happy to be second at the 16th pole and he just put it turned

on the afterburners. Son of wore a will.

Maybe a little Preakness. Preakness talk right now there.

You go, well, we got a hey, we got a race before the Preakness.

Little. Race in Louisville that that

might be important. You know, he'll go a mile and a

quarter. I mean, I don't think that's but

Corey got off another day and I said, man, I wish he said I wish

they'd run a mile and a half two year old races.

He just doesn't get tired. He even when he hit the wire, he

broke galloping out. Yeah, that that performance

really impressed me this weekend, watching him make that

run up the inside to get, I mean, he was so far back and he

he still made that run. But as as you look forward,

obviously you've had the experience in the Kentucky Derby

before, but being a local, being from here, just how important is

that race to you? Oh, it's, it's, it's important

to the whole industry and it's important to me.

Of course there's lots made. In fact, I grew up on the

backside of Churchill down South.

I have run 11 derbies. But anybody who gets in this

game understands the enormity of the Derby and how important it

is to to have a Derby horse or a horse on the Derby trail.

I mean, I don't know what it's like to win one.

I know what it's like. You think you're going to win

one. We shocked where it took the

lead at the 8th bowl. For a few minutes, a few

strides, I thought I was going to win one.

I thought you were too. Yeah.

Came. Back in 1°.

You got a good constitution. But you mentioned, you know, the

industry we've seen over the last couple of years of the

state of Kentucky really blossom, the historical racing

machines, everything like that really blossom in terms of purse

money, in terms of competition and stuff like that.

You mentioned being part of the HBPA for all these years and

obviously being part of that process.

How, how did that come together to turn Kentucky really into the

powerhouse of racing and that what would you recommend to

other states, what they should look at?

The big thing I think we do different in Kentucky is we use

that subsidy purse money to make the racing so much stronger.

So our Para mutual side has grown too.

And you don't see that in a lot of states.

They get to casinos and they forget about Para mutual and I

think that's a big part of the problem.

They, they can work in tandem and we're an example of that.

You know, that's part of politics too.

We had to do a lot of work in Frankfort to make sure that they

were legal. They were deemed

unconstitutional. We had to go in and change the

law. So that took a lot of time in

Frankfort to get that done. But these states that get it,

they don't understand the power of the para mutual that goes

along with it. And you can make your product

better as we have in Kentucky, and it will grow also and become

a great cash flow stream. You know, Kentucky's Para Mutual

has really grown. You and I sat together in

Kentucky Downs about 14 months ago and you said to me, man, I

don't know if I'm going to go to Saratoga this summer.

They're going to have so much money in Ellis for me.

And that certainly stands out this winter with the raising of

the purses at Turfway Park. We've already seen the growth of

those fields. And I, I frankly, if I see less

than 10 of the starting in Turfway daylight, I wonder if

something happened at this point, a guy like you that

doesn't hate going to South Florida, what do you, what do

you make of this Turfway thing? Surf way special.

I mean, it's, it's unbelievable what they do there.

It doesn't matter. Even when the purses weren't

big, they had full fields and good racing.

They weren't people didn't recognize it quite as much as

they are now. But there's a perfect example of

Para Mutual really growing along with HHR machines and yeah, the

$100,000 maiden races. Who would have ever thought you

would see that? I mean, if if we could keep it

average about 65° all winter. That's right here.

What they'll call people the, the the other part about Turfway

that's interesting to me, Dale, is them leaving it open as a

training track all year now at this point, just a huge addition

to the to the program here in Kentucky, is it not?

It's helped. I mean, horse population is also

important. And Churchill, Churchill owning,

you know, three of the major race tracks in Kentucky has kind

of worked well. I mean, they they understand how

the horse population is important and they've kept that

race track open year round. Well, we'll, we'll let you get

out of here on this just as you're beginning to.

I got one more to ask about. What you're doing?

No, but a task force. Oh, we're always looking for the

next Derby starter here, right? Yeah, I know.

Silly me though. Yeah, right.

Stop the Derby. Another another maid started

this week. What should we expect this week?

I think it's going to run big, going to run big.

You know, I'm just now getting most of my babies running.

I don't know. I don't ever win first time out.

But the more they get going, they seem to come around and you

know, we've been trying to build a career, not just one race.

And I think we got a nice horse. Corey did some damage over the

weekend. I'm sure he'll continue.

That this week and then I guess I'll build off of that.

You mentioned, you mentioned the 2 year olds getting going.

They're there anybody that we haven't seen yet that you're

that you're feeling a little extra hopeful for?

There's a couple still left to come out.

We got it. We got a nice knot this time.

Coat when you see him and then you look at what he's done.

I've never seen a horse have a year like he said this year.

So we we got two or three left in there, but you'll have to

stop by the barn and I'll give them to you off to the side

there. You go.

All right, a little off the record.

Talk with David. There you go.

Yeah, he's ready for the Senate. There it is, right there.

I want to just say Dale romans.com, if anybody gets

wants to help support and go there.

I mean, racing issues are going to be tops for me, along with a

lot of other things. But racing is going to stay

important. It's important to Kentucky.

We're going to put Kentucky first.

Yeah. Well, back to the question I was

getting ready to ask before we talk a little bit more Derby

there, which I'm always out what, what, what's the key thing

that if there's anybody from Kentucky listening, the key

thing that you want voters to know about you as they are

considering who they're going to vote for?

You know, I'm running as a Democrat, but I'll consider

myself an independent Democrat. That means I'm independent to

vote. I'm not going to be voting with

the party all the time. I'm going to be voting for what

is best for Kentucky and when you see me out there campaign

and ask a question, there won't be any pivoting.

I'm going to ask, answer the questions and I'm going to go up

there and work for everybody, for Kentucky.

Well, he's Dale Robins. He's got a couple in this week

and he's got himself in the Senate race.

So there you go. I, Dale, appreciate you jumping

on Be well. Thanks, guys.

Hang on. Dale Robins look at me,

interrupting the show to ask her any.

Questions. I know, what a gift.

What a gift. I love I've I've somebody who

knows about I'm a 2 year old person at this time of the year.

To get that out there before before we.

Move on. Notice how far I had to reach to

put my arm around Sean. How do we have?

Why do they let us do this? Oh man, I just, it's amazing

because we go to Breeders' Cup and we showcase all these super

talented people at Blood Horse and then every Monday they're

like, hey, you 2. Thank you to Dale and thank you

Jason for joining us here on the program.

Frank is big time in us today. That's really what everybody

needs to know. We're getting big time every

day, and that's what. I mean.

He's moving to shake, and it is. It's almost like it's the end of

the year and we got a lot of stuff to do at the end of.

The year, almost like that. That's exactly.

Right, all, all of our leading into next year's stuff that

needs to happen. Also, just again, because I know

this is a monumental task, shout out to Eric Mitchell and

everybody that's working on the Blood Horse Stallion Register,

getting that ready and that getting that ready so that way

you can have that book in your hand as you're finding your

major. So, by the way, I'm forgetting

Jim's last name. Let me see if I can find it

right away. But I met with a very nice

gentleman yesterday. That's not that is not him.

Odd and we'll see if I can find it, but I, oh, Jim Cornice, he

works with, he does a lot of things in the racing industry,

but including he was the guy on the plane with she's so spicy

after the Breeders Cup. Really, he was with her and Ben

Tornado and he said that she's so spicy.

He said, I've never seen a horse more tired by the time we

actually got to Florida because remember, she flew from San

Diego to Keeneland, right? Goes through the walk, doesn't

get sold. And then they decide that that,

you know, her next stop is Palmettos.

He said. He said he got her off the the

bus and he literally looked at her just like, go take a nap.

Like go take a go take a month long nap.

You ever heard? Yeah.

And. She and you know, she, she

didn't just go to Keeneland. She was gone by the time she was

kind of like 3 in the morning the day after winning the race

because she was gone by the time I got there in the bar.

And that's why, if you remember that interview with Jose, we

were just chilling with Ben Tornado the whole time because

she's so spicy, was already gone.

Right, And I'm talking with Jim, and he's the one who's handing

out the supplements to all the winners of the winner's circle

after the claiming crown. OK, so he's got, he's like many

of us in horse racing. We wear 70 different hats.

And I just want the people give us for free.

And thank you again, Eric. Jim is Jim's in and I'm hanging

out in the box. And, you know, the HPP people

are nice to us and they let us hang out.

You saw where I was next to the winner's circle.

Well, Jim's telling the story. He goes, do you know how I used

to fall asleep all the time was the stallion registry and I was

like I. Don't know that's a good

promotion. No, no.

What he said was when he was a little kid, it's how he learned

the game. Yeah.

Was that his dad would give him the stallion.

His Christmas gift every year was Blood Horse.

So he got the weekly back in the day, right.

And then he would get the stallion registry, and his

parents would come in and it would be like laying on his

chest. And that's how he would go to

sleep. And that.

Now, what was the thing you read when you were a kid?

Mine was probably Kelvin and Hobbs.

I don't. Know I used to.

Honestly, I used to listen to when I was going to sleep, I put

CDs on. OK, Yep.

And there was, there was a couple of them.

That was the the New York Yankees World Series.

There you go, perfect y'all CDs. In like 1990 I actually just

talked this was something. The other.

Day 199819990 Yeah, sure, of course that was were you alive

for? Those.

I was technically for the 99 one.

I don't remember it but I always say.

I graduated high school, I got a year or so I got Everyone wants

to feel old with. Me.

I got lucky that the Yankees won the World Series the year before

I was born. The year I was born, the year

after this morning. Unique.

But anyway, back to the story that certainly has to do with

horse racing. But yeah, I love the CD.

Would play like, it would play like an audio sound bite from

John Sterling saying something about the like some big moment

that had happened during the season.

And then it would cut to like. An audio track.

Got it. So and that was kind of related

to what it was. In Game 82, the Yankees needed a

comeback hit from Jorge Posada. Something like that.

You know, calling out the Grand Slam, I don't know why Martinez.

And then it would. Go to his call.

To something hot. Like it is hot, it is deep it

is. Far, not deep.

It is far. Sorry, but I don't listen to the

Yankees games. But I don't know.

But yeah, sorry about. That's what I.

But anyway, back to the style heat registry.

So what? What are we doing today?

But another shout out for the stallion registry.

If you read some of our claiming Crown previews, you saw our

story about Joe Roberts this past week.

I was talking to his dad who owned one of the horses Empire's

best, Jimmy Roberts. Jimmy Roberts said he has an

entire bookshelf full of all the stallion registries.

How he how he has that all the time.

It's AI love when people when they find out I work for Blood

Horse. I love when people tell me, oh,

I've got all your. How blood horses involved in

their lives. That's exactly right now.

I could get involved in your life with the QR code down at

the bottom. I'm.

Always amazed at the stories. You're totally right about this.

And when people say things so casually, like, well, of course,

I, I just went to Blood Horse for Breeders' Cup.

Like they didn't think about it. They just came and hung out with

us because it's one horse. We appreciate that.

I used to have them in the magazine subscription when I was

in high school. I'd be sitting there in class

looking through the magazine. That was long before I ever

thought I'd be working here. So I'll give the the shout out

to them as well. Like that was lucky.

The first year I subscribed was the year Farrell won the Triple

Crown. So I have all the magazine

covers with Farrell. Fantastic.

I was like when I by the way, you never know who that next

horse is exactly So now is the chance to get in QR codes on the

screen YouTube or Spotify go find it there.

Of course, bloodhorse.com click on the magazine tab at the top

of the homepage. You can also click on the daily

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every day. They don't sell your e-mail

address. You just get to your day started

with Blood Horse, all the great headlines happening in our sport

as well and you get the standard industry with the magazine.

That's why we bring it up, is that it comes with the.

Magazine, it's the time of year if you want it for this upcoming

year, you want to go through all the stallions, you want to look

through all that, you want to learn the industry as we learn,

people have done. The other part is for me, horses

that I loved that are not considered to be big time

stallion prospects. I love to watch them.

Can I give an example or is it rude to do that because I don't

know? Like a palace malice.

I loved when he ran, but he was never thought of as like a high

level kind of Siger prospect. Something like that.

But he does turn out a nice voice.

Turned out all right. That's exactly right.

And so, yeah, so. But that kind of stuff, it's fun

to watch the registry for those purposes.

It's like one that in your head. Look, I don't I don't have Jason

Worth's money. I don't have, you know, Jon

Stewart's money. It's I don't have Griffin's

money, whatever. But I can still think OK, I

think Palace Malice is a fine horse.

I think he can be a good stallion.

I'm going to watch what he does It's that kind of opportunity.

I think it's pretty cool. That kind of stuff is very.

If you are COVID. Five, get that magazine off for

sure. And of course you need to right

there. You need to comment if you, if

you like the new layout. Just let us know if that's

happening. For you or not?

Or do we need to get back that close together here?

I don't think anybody wants that.

All right, so the the offseason, part of the season, except that

it never is on the show. It never is on the show.

Got the Clark, we got Derby stuff.

This is the problem is I think at some point we're going to

turn into where the only thing to talk about is Derby stuff and

you're going to have to deal with that again with me talking

Derby for. I feel like we did OK in this

break the. Here's the Well, that was

because, I mean, we only started in February, I think, Jason.

'S coming to town for that race on.

Saturday. You think so?

I think he's popping by my radio studio on Friday.

One of the things that we forgot to ask him, I want to give a

shout out to as well. His son Jackson is very involved

as well. I see him at the.

Track. He actually almost seems I don't

want to use words like more into it than is that.

But yeah, he's he's going. To be 1 to watch going for.

I forgot to ask Jason about that.

Yeah. I think you'll see the sales.

I think you'll see him involved in that process.

Yeah, I don't know when he goes to class because I always see

him at the. Races.

Who's he? You.

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What are we talking? About well, we'll see if we're

talking about flying Mohawk, whether or not he comes back.

We didn't even mention. I have a prediction, by the way,

I have a prediction this week. I think we hear Sovereignty's

plans this week, interest and I have it based on nothing.

There we go. I just think this is the week we

hear about what they're going to do so.

I wouldn't be shocked. I mean, it is kind of the point.

They have to make a decision. But he's also had, he's had like

what, 2 weeks now? A little more now.

It'll be 3 weeks tomorrow that since the fever.

You'll know how he's responded. You'll know everything about him

physically. Know about when he could

probably. And now is the time you can make

it and now you can make the decision if if you are running

next year, suddenly the Pegasus is interesting because it's a

winning in for the Breeders Cup. Now, if you own sovereignty,

you're not thinking about wins in it, you're just thinking.

About the only the only thing that they're concerned about

right now if he does come back to race would be making the

Duval. I think that's probably.

I think that's the only. I think that's probably.

As long as he can make that if. Someone asks you to place a $20

bet on this, the most likely outcome for sovereignty.

Next step? What is it for you?

He's coming. Back.

How much is he coming back one race or is he coming back?

Yeah, if he if he's kind of running the Dubai World Cup,

you've already missed most of breeding season at that point,

he'd be there for the full year. So I would wager that he is

coming back from the Dubai World Cup unless he's like, unless

like the illness really knocked it out of him and they think

timing wise he wouldn't make the Dubai World Cup.

But yeah, I, I feel that now probably as I, as I edit this

show afterwards, it's probably going to.

Get an. It's going to break things done

though. No, but OK.

So no question for you then. Do you read anything into

Because I don't, I think of Bill Mott as as being a very straight

shooter. Like if he tells you something,

that's how he feels, right? Like, he was very abrupt about

the stuff of Baltimore this year, right about the Preakness

like. He could not have been.

They didn't wait. They didn't wait, they didn't

mix words. They're like, this is not our

long term plan. We're not going to Baltimore.

They were very straightforward about and he talked about that

Bieber like he doesn't even know he's sick.

Yeah, exactly. Well, and that's part of the

thing too. Look at the difference, the

Derby immediately after, we're not going to the Preakness.

It's been 2 weeks since the Breeders Cup.

We haven't heard anything. Good point if they knew they

were. Going to retiring, they would

have said it. I think that's not a bad check.

Yes, I agree with you. I really.

I hope, I hope you're right. I hope we didn't just hype up

this announcement for nothing to happen this week.

Did it talk bad ahead the I? But no.

Saw him on Saturday, by the way. The van header or sovereignty?

Oh, Van, OK. I saw him.

Too, you saw sovereignty on Saturday.

No, I didn't I. Was going to say good guy.

Oh yeah, a little Shaluki runner.

It'll be. There anyway.

Little 7 hours, but I mentioned flying Mohawk coming back this

weekend also coming back old friend that we talked about on

the show way back toward the beginning California burrito

just coming back in. I wanted to, I wanted to make

sure I mentioned so just so people, just so people know that

we continue to talk to the people that we talk to, correct.

I just want to what's your no, you're right, though, this is

like a family around the show. It really is.

We've been so lucky because people have been really

positive. Yes, The other part is they

could just be like, I'm never talking about such.

We like it's a great. Point we've been keeping

relationships quite a few of the people that have appeared on

this show here, one of them being the Habermes.

I see them at Churchill. They've actually if you remember

back to that episode after the job attack, they come they're

from San Diego. They come in to watch the horses

here at. Church, so they're running this

Saturday in the Commonwealth. Yes.

Which means I'll see that horse in the synthetic championships

then, yeah. Possibly.

I would think that would be a good but.

Am I swimming in Turfway? Is that happening?

Maybe? Is that what I just heard?

Well, if. You remember that, anybody who's

been on this show for a long time, if you remember that

episode, we had the conversation about the name California

Burrito at the San Diego thing. So I mentioned that I enjoy

getting California Burritos at Bandidos, our local a local

place. To do a good local.

Chain here, around here. Great California burritos.

So I run into Aaron Haberman on Breeders' Cup Saturday and he's

like, oh, did you go get the real 1 yet?

Like the real California burrito at Roberto's where I guess

suppose I, I looked a little bit online.

I guess there's some debate as to where exactly.

Which one of the original director actually?

But Roberto's is one of the ones mentioned so, and he mentioned

Roberto's to me. So on Sunday, after I went in,

did that Jose D'Angelo interview that we played here on the

podcast, I had a little bit of time before my flight.

I guess this counted as my breakfast, but it was kind of a

breakfast or lunch. I went to Roberto's.

I had the California burrito at Haberman's recommendation, and

it was the best California. Oh, let's go it was.

Phenomenal. So great recommendation by him.

Hopefully we will see some success here this weekend with

California Burrito. If he wins, I think we we might

have to do this episode. Next episode at Bandido's having

California burritos with the Habermans.

OK. Are you calling your shot right

now if he wins on Saturday? That's what we're doing.

Yeah. Done all right.

We're dragging this thing into a into a band of dose we're.

Going to change the setup again. Are we going to the the one by

campus? Is that what you're thinking?

Because that's got to. Be right they're.

Yeah, 4 now. Well, they they got quite that.

That one was doing so well. You're right, both right by and

see they were doing some. But as far as California street

food, like, like they actually get it right.

They get it right. They really do.

I killed. Things so anyways, I thought we

were going to end this show like 10 minutes ago now people don't

have to listen to us keep. Talking the hey forbids are

listening right now like we don't want to be affiliated with

these people like no we're good hey guys how about we don't win

this weekend yeah right a second's OK they're.

Like hey Tommy, make sure I don't.

Think that's all jury's wired at all?

Hang on, man. That's a good stuff.

I'm glad you got to try. Yeah, let's go.

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