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the Kentucky Racing Spotlight with Louis Rabo.

Guess what I'm Louis Rabo I'm actually in San Juan PR for this

episode of the program. I'm at the National Council of

Legislators from gaming States Conference and taking in all of

the good information that's happening down here.

If you happen to listen to Rabo and Co tend to new to hear on

ESPN 681 O 5 seven, you will have heard some of those

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if you would like to hear those and it is amazing to me and by

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stories, videos and photos from all over our state.

The great people though and all the great equine athletes that

make our sport go in Kentucky and I'm here in Puerto Rico.

And it's interesting to hear the conversations just in the in the

general gaming space. And they are frankly very much

mirroring what we are concerned about in horse racing.

And it's interesting, for example, you know, on this

program, we've talked to their Camelback from the National HPPA

quite a bit and we've talked about what the coupling actually

stands for. And the coupling in Florida, for

example, stands for tearing down those wagering institutions like

Gulfstream, like Hialeah, like Calder or like Tampa Bay Downs

that built wagering in Florida. In Kentucky, the only legal

wagering for a long time was the tracks.

Certainly the state lottery later on in bingo halls and that

kind of stuff. But certainly the Para Mutual

game in many places was the origin of wage and to be at

conferences like this and to hear them worried about Gray

spaces, to worry about where people are betting, how they're

betting, etcetera, that there are no protections for

consumers, etcetera. How do we get new people into

the game? How do we keep them here?

Responsible gaming is an overwhelming thing, overwhelming

theme. Excuse me, at this conference.

And what I've heard from tribal leaders in Louisiana to the guy

from Hard Rock based in New Jersey to a FanDuel

representative in Florida is the same thing over and over, which

is, look, we need spaces for people to wager.

We need them to be regulated, we need them to be safe, and we

need them to be something that consumers can trust and that is

going to be a place that they'll go back to for their

entertainment options. When I do the show, when I get

to interview people who are in horse racing, who are trainers,

who are in that kind of space where they're the amongst the

group that helps us put these races on, the ones who

understand what this is, they know this is an entertainment

option, horse racing, and I love being at at conferences like

this because it reminds me that horse racing does in fact fit in

the fabric of what this is. When I told people that I wanted

to pop over to Cammarero to try to hit the pick six, they all

got it. They all understood it and

there's such a nice overlap in these spaces and it is

interesting to hear from someone.

You know, I got to interview someone on Thursday from the

Massapequa tribe, and they're the Foxwoods people.

It's probably a casino you've heard of.

They were one of the first destination casinos on the

Eastern seaboard outside of Atlantic City.

And I was talking with him and he essentially said what Eric

said about Hialeah and about Calder and about Gulfstream,

which is, hey, we were here 1st and you can't just make rules up

to kick us out without legitimate ramifications.

And if you think about a casino and all the people that work

there, it's a lot like a track all the way down to the farms

and different things that supply the things necessary for horse

racing. Casinos very similar that way as

far as restaurants, people working in cleaning Staffs,

etcetera. But it was interesting to hear

him talk that way. But they had to adjust.

And horse racing is going to have to do the same thing.

Certainly as we move forward with our wagering, we're going

to have to try to, I think, position ourselves alongside the

sports options as young people grow up around wagering and

it's, it is way less stigmatized.

It is amazing to be at this thing and hear women say things

like I talked with Sue Schneider today, Thursday, excuse me.

And she and she said I very proudly, I've been in this space

for 30 years. And so if you do the math on

that, it's pretty simple. She got in the game in the mid

90s. It's not a cool time to be in,

in, in gambling. And frankly, those of us who are

in horse racing, once in a while, when you get outside of

the horse racing bubble, people look at you.

Oh, horse racing, oh, casinos, oh, oh man, the younger people

don't feel that way. It's one of the reasons I think

that the the movements in horse racing right now need to be

intentional. They need to be entertainment

linked. Obviously take care of the

equine athlete first. That's one.

A1B, all of it. But if you take care of the

owner, you take care of the better, you're going to have a

great sport because that's where the the funding sources are.

That's another thing that Eric talks about quite a bit.

And it's another thing that comes up here at this conference

is that, hey, if you take care of the better, the person

infusing money into your product, you're going to be in a

good spot. And the other thing that stands

out, you heard some of this at the at the Arizona Global

Symposium as well on horse racing.

If you don't have the backing of your legislators, you're going

to go out of business. And frankly, every casino here

feels the same way. And one of the narratives in

horse racing right now that I hate but I cannot stand is that

horse racing is purely A subsidy sport.

You know what else then qualifies as a subsidy sport?

If you're going to throw a horse racing in there?

The NFL. There is one stadium in the NFL

that was built with private funds, 11.

Otherwise, they are all publicly funded.

All of them. Your tax dollars in some

jurisdiction went to pay for that stadium.

They don't pay taxes like a normal, you know, those teams

don't pay the same taxes as other places, etcetera.

There are so many government helps for teams like that to

keep profits, to keep money just to provide another entertainment

option in a town. Frankly, when you have those

things, if you're a Cincinnati and you've got the Reds and the

Bengals, you can attract talent to your town.

Younger people that want to go to Reds games, that want to go

to Bengals games, who then also have college options and towns

like that. So it makes sense that you would

want that. Churchill Downs, Keeneland,

those are places like that. They need help, they need to be

supported. But the reason is very simple to

me. It's that the layers of horse

racing matter. The farms matter, the Breeders

matter, the owners matter, the betters certainly matter as

well. And it's a giant, very strange

go sister we have in our sport that way today.

By the way, we'll talk with Sean Collins, my Co host on Blood

Horse Monday and we got into a discussion on our show this week

about predictive markets. And if you don't know what those

are, it's essentially a way for people to bet against one

another. You have to sell something to

another person though to get the payoff for it.

It's a a little bit different than wagering, but it's the

newest Gray space in our sport and it's the newest Gray space

frankly in sports betting. 90% of future, excuse me, of

predictive market wagers are on sports and this will almost

certainly creep into the Derby this year.

It'll be interesting to watch if legislators can get ahead of it

by then. I doubt it very much, but I do

think that the predictive markets thing can affect horse

racing in a pretty negative way. I think there are a lot of ways

to get ahead of it though. I think through regulation for

sure. And by the way, I'm not

necessarily anti predictive markets.

It might be really fun to have some bets on Derby day like,

hey, who finishes ahead of the other fierce necessary Sierra

Leone, who finishes ahead of the other journalism or sovereignty,

who finishes ahead of the other, etcetera.

Might be fun to do those kinds of things, right.

Heck, if you had rich strike ahead of two fields or not, not

2 fields, but if you had rich strike in that field, you might

have been in a good spot. So I do think there's a place

for predictive markets within horse racing.

But if it's not regulated, if it's not there, you're just in

a, you're in a black market, man.

You're not protected. And you can say whatever you

want about AD WS, you can say whatever you want about going to

the track and betting. At least you know you're

protected. At least you have that.

And some of the prediction markets you simply aren't.

And I'm hopeful that we'll move forward and try to figure those

things out within horse racing and frankly at the legislative

level as well, because we are so tied into the legislation, we

are so dependent on legislators understanding the layers of

horse racing. We should never stop talking

about it. By the way, the second you start

taking things for granted, you get to coupling in Florida.

The second you start to take things for granted, Hastings

closes. You cannot live that way.

You have to be vocal about these things.

You have to be, frankly, a little unpleasant about these

things. And shows like this afford us

that opportunity. Thank goodness.

But that's also why I'm here, because I want people to know

that I care about horse racing, that I care about the product,

that I care about betters. And so we're here at the Nickel

G's trying to talk to some legislators from around the

country. I've talked to people in West

Virginia, Indiana, Ohio, Florida, Kentucky since I've

been here and I'm I'm happy to hear, for example, that in West

Virginia the commitment to horse racing is through the roof

amongst the legislation legislator.

Excuse me, that's fantastic, fantastic.

If you think about what they accomplished here between

Mountaineer and Chucktown, it is remarkable.

They've got a great circuit of breeding program, all the stuff

they do a really, really, legitimately great job.

And I'm hopeful that we'll continue our momentum in

Kentucky. And frankly, I'm hopeful, well,

that other places around the country will mimic us a little

bit and and figure those things out because I don't need another

Hastings to close, man. They raced there for over 100

years. I don't need that.

No one needs that. No horse racing in Vancouver, no

horse racing. I mean, like these are towns

that we can't lose, man. Towns we just can't lose,

especially 100 year old plus horse racing tracks just can't

do it. And if you get lazy, man, if you

don't, if you don't rile up your, your legislators about

this stuff, it ain't going to matter.

It's not going to matter and Florida's no different for sure.

The synthetic championships are this weekend at Turfway Park.

I'll handicap those to close the show and I I was talking with

Sean on The Who we'll hear from next.

I think you'll love it. Sean's one of the more likable

guys in horse racing. If you if you think about what

the synthetic championships are, and I know in our area here, the

elevation of Turfway Park is one of the grand stories since I

moved to the area about 15 years ago, because there are a lot of

nickel claimers running for 10K at Turfway a lot.

And I remember when Churchill bottom and immediately said,

hey, we're going to double purses.

And at the time it wasn't a ton of money in some of those lower

level races. But now there's no concern of

that. On Saturday, none of the races

will be run for less than a $100,000 purse, whether that's

an optional claimer or maiden special, whatever it is.

But the four races that make up the synthetic championships, I

think are without them trying. I don't think that Turfway is

trying to do what I'm about to say, by the way, but I think

it's just an unintended consequence of these races.

Sean asked me on Blood Horse Monday, hey, do you think how

many years until these are graded?

And I responded this way, not only do I think they'll be

graded, I think in 10 years. So go ahead and bookmark this

2025, end of the year, whatever, 2020, 2035, excuse me, I think

we'll be talking about synthetic alongside dirt and turf way more

than we do now, way more. And I think it's something that

we'll come back, we'll start saying, Hey, is he a good

synthetic sire? Hey, is, is that a, you know, is

that synthetic surface? This, this and this?

What's the, you know, in the same way that we say, hey, the

turf at Saratoga is different than the turf at Del Mar or

whatever we might say, I think we're going to have those

conversations about synthetic. So in the same way that I think

the irrigation system at Kentucky Downs really changed

that place and the very best horses tend to win at a higher

rate now. I think the infusion of a Poly

track at Santa Anita where they train currently.

But if you think they're never going to run on that thing,

you're out of your mind. Of course they're going to

Belmont's installing one. They're very upfront about what

that's going to look like. We know how would bind a set up,

for example. And of course they've installed

at a Gulfstream Park as well. I think you're going to start to

see this as a version of thoroughbred racing in the

United States is that more and more these kinds of races will

not just be a turfway. They'll be in other places,

including spots like the new Belmont Park, spots like

Gulfstream Park, spots like Woodbine, and then eventually,

if they can get it together out of San Anita as well.

I think there's going to be considerably more synthetic

racing as we move forward in the United States.

And I think that, by the way, is just part of the changing game.

It used to not mean much to win a race at Turfway.

Now it can pay a lot of bills, right?

The game changes all the time and we just need to be ready for

it. We need to just move along and

adapt with it. How people train now is

different than they used to 20 years ago.

Sovereignty is going to Baltimore now he doesn't.

And half the group says, yeah, we get it, right, right.

Half the group said, we're, yeah, we get it.

I anticipate in about 5-10 years, 8090% of people are going

to say don't worry about, don't worry about Baltimore.

Do what's best for the horse. That's what they couch it as,

right? But I think with the synthetic

stuff, I think we need to be ready.

And I know that there is some, any time there's evolution, any

time that things change, people push back, right?

And people don't like change. I get it.

And the synthetic thing feels like a change, feels different,

right? What I would say to that, too

bad, too bad. In the same way that if you

wanted to bet Churchill a couple of years ago when they didn't

have a turf course, too bad. That's what they got right now.

That's your betting option. I think that turf way, that turf

and turf way, excuse me, synthetic and turf way, places

like that are going to start to really pop up in the sport.

And I think that Belmont Park will be a leader.

I think Turfway will be a leader.

And I do think that if they can keep it together at Gulfstream

Park, it'll be there as well. And as you look at the the past

performances leading into races like my charmer Caitlin, her

greatness is making the trip down out of the Kevin of Tarbarn

Flavi and Pratt gets them out here.

This is a guy who wrote her in the Ontario Matron.

And this is the kind of stuff that I I think we're going to

start to see over and over. Number one, if you put up the

money, no one cares if it's a great at stakes or not.

If there's 100 grand plus on the line for the winner, a lot of

people are going to show up. And the smallest field size we

have for a stake on Saturday at Turfoy Park is 11.

There's a reason people will show up for these races,

frankly. You get the turf horses who are

willing to try synth. You get the synthetic horses

already who we know in these races, including Caitlin or

Greatness, including Literate also in that race has run 8

times on synthetic. You've got Queen's Command in

here who's run four times on synthetic.

You've got other winners on in here as well.

Veena Ariana has multiple starts.

One For One is Next up on the synthetic at Turfway Park, by

the way, on debut. And so there are so many horses

where you used to look next to the synthetic number and see

0000 that's going away. You're going to see more and

more of these horses who just like it and frankly within

Kentucky, since Turfway is now a year round training facility, do

not be surprised if more and more of these horses lean toward

that way. I think one of the things for

example, that they should do in California, and I know it's way

outside of Kentucky, they should play up turf racing, they should

play up Polly and I think they should go all in on those

things. Obviously the dirt stuff needs

to maintain in the San Anita Derby, the Big Cap, you know,

Pacific Classic, whatever. But I, if I were out there and I

were trying to boost the number of horses running and try to

increase field size, I'd be using the Bali Dragon.

I'd be using the turf every freaking time I can.

If I'm running 10 races at at San Anita, maybe 3 around the

dirt maybe, because I think you're going to get a lot more

traffic in those other races. And I think all of us need to be

ready for that. I think that's going to spread

across the country. And by the way, as long as the

gate's full, I don't really care.

If you want to know why field size matters, go ahead and look

at any graphic about where the best Pick 4 payouts are.

They are always turf. They are always Oaklawn.

What are those two have in common?

They have the biggest field sizes.

The world's real simple. And I think you'll see as we

move forward that the Poly is going to become part of our

normal vernacular in horse racing.

And to that I say bring it on. I'm Lou Rebeau, this is the

Kentucky Racing Spotlight. I'm live in San Juan.

Thanks so much for hanging out with us this week, getting your

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Co host on Blood Horse Monday. You can find us on that program

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breeders, trainers, jockeys on down frankly.

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of Blood Horse Monday, I told the guys in that meeting room in

Lexington, I'll do this project. I think it's a good one.

I'm only doing it if Sean Collins is available.

And I think you'll hear his enthusiasm for the sport, how he

came up, how organic it was. I'm jealous.

I'm jealous that he got the bug earlier in life than I did.

I didn't get the bug about horse racing until I was in my 20s,

and Sean got it early on. You'll hear his story and you'll

hear it next here on the Kentucky Racing Spotlight with

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Play store brewed by Bud Light. Welcome back into the Kentucky

racing spotlight. My name is Louis Ribow we're on

the remote studio this week, but we'll be back at it on ESPN 680

and one O 5 seven where you can catch me every we are every

weekday. Excuse me 11:50 right here on

Ribow and Co general sports discussion on that one.

We do like to mix in our horse racing.

Never miss our horse racing segment at 10:20 AM every

Friday. We welcome in a handicapper from

somewhere around the country, try to make you some money on

the biggest races of the week in a man who I have gotten to know

way too well this year, frankly, uncomfortably well this year.

Sean Collins joins us. Of course, you know his work at

Blood Horse and at a Pharaoh 12. Frankly, Sean, if you had to

guess and welcome in and thank you for doing this outside of

our normal purviews of a blood Horse Monday.

If you had to guess, do more people know you through Blood

Horse or through AP 12 man? I don't, I feel like more people

know me through a Pharaoh 12, but they don't know my face as

much on a Pharaoh 12 because I'm always behind the camera.

So I feel like that's the more I feel like a Pharaoh 12 is a more

recognizable name for now, but my face is more recognizable as

being part of Blood Horse. So it's a, it's the.

It's a interesting balance there between the two.

A real mix of items for sure, but you know, we'll get into a

Pharaoh 12 and all of those things.

But Sean, you have become, you know, a bit of a fixture at

Churchill Downs on the backside, but you are not a native

Kentuckian. You and I have that in common,

frankly, that we, we were not raised in the Kentucky circuit.

Frankly, we don't have the same last names as anyone else on the

Kentucky circuit. Where?

Where did you get your origin and how'd you fall in love with

horse racing? Yes, I'm originally from

Bethlehem, PA, so about an hour and 15 minutes north of

Philadelphia in the Lehigh Valley area.

Not a horse racing area at all. So, you know, horse racing's not

very relevant. I was lucky when I was a kid, my

parents watched the Triple Crown races every year and the first

one I remember watching was Smarty Jones, which for

Pennsylvania, I guess that was the one time we did care about

horse racing. He was the Pennsylvania bred.

And so I didn't really realize it at the time, but that that

was why I think the Triple Crown was getting so much coverage in

my area that year, which allowed me to kind of follow it a little

bit more. You know, I was what, 4-5 years

old at the time. So I was able to kind of follow

it. I fell in love with Smarty

Jones. We watch the Derby the next year

with Giacomo and a fleet Alex in the Preakness in the Belmont.

And then the following year with Barbaro in 2006, fell in love

with him when he won the Kentucky Derby so impressively.

And then when he got injured in the Preakness, following along

with his recovery process is when I started to learn more and

more about the sport. That was how I learned that the

Breeders Cup, Breeders' Cup existed.

And so I watched the Breeders Cup for the first time that

year, started to realize there were more races than just the

Triple Crown races. So gradually pick that up.

And yeah, from there it was just non-stop watching horse racing

whenever it was on national TV, the Triple Crown, the Breeders

Cup. If they put the Travers on NBC

or something like that, I would watch.

I remember watching St. Sense when that remember

watching Big Brown when the Haskell and eventually when I

was in middle school, we ended up getting the TV package that

had HRTV and TVG on it. And so I'd come home from school

every day, just start watching horse racing non-stop every

single day. Eventually went to my first

horse race in 2014, the Haskell. That year we realized how easy

it is to go to a horse race when it's not the Kentucky Derby

price tickets. And so all of a sudden I was

hitting tracks all up and down the East Coast and eventually

moved out here to Kentucky to a attend the University of

Louisville's equine program. So yeah, that's kind of how how

I got started. This is Sean Collins with us on

the Kentucky Racing Spotlight. We're presented by the HBPA here

in Kentucky, KYHBP a.com. Go check them out for all their

great content at the website. So you get to Kentucky and you

go to the University of Louisville.

You know, by that point you want to work in horse racing itself.

Describe that that program at U of L though, because I think so

many people hear about it, Sean. You know, we hear about Arizona,

we hear about the program at Louisville, but I'm not sure

people have an idea of what equine business is all about.

What did you what did you focus on when you were at U of L?

Yeah. Well, the thing that I really

liked about this program is it's in the Business School.

So some of it's different from like the equine program at UK or

the one out in Arizona in the sense that you're getting the

business degree on on top of the horses, right.

So like for example, 11 semester I would have just the normal

marketing class and then the following semester I would have

it the marketing class again. But now we're focused

specifically on how this relates to things within the horse

industry. You'd have a law Class 1

semester and then the next semester you'd have the equine

law class. And so you'd kind of you'd have

the opportunity to learn all the basics of business, but then

also being able to specify that within examples within the horse

industry. And as someone from from my

perspective who did not grow up in the industry, you know, I'm,

I always say I'm the textbook definition of what we always say

we want in horse racing. The person that falls in love

with it just, you know, as a fan and wants to get involved with

it as somebody. I remember when I first got out

here and you know, seeing some of the other people in my

classes that had connections with horses, connections within

the industry and within the area already, like within the first

month or two, they're getting internships, they're getting

jobs within the industry. And I kind of felt a little, I

was like, what? I feel like I'm behind.

I feel like I'm not, I'm not doing what I'm supposed to be

doing at this point. But then as you know, time went

on. The great thing about that the

program was the professors and everybody involved with it were

able to help me build those connections, get me involved and

really get me first started within, within the industry and

kind of take those first steps. So for me, as someone who grew

up outside the industry, I felt like being in in that program

was crucial for sure. One, getting getting the, you

know, the good degree, getting the business degree.

If I ever decided to go outside of horse racing for something in

the future, I still have that to fall back on, but also it just

really helped me get my foot in the door in a lot of spots.

Sean Collins with us from Blood Horse.

You can hear him on Blood Horse Monday alongside me.

Every Monday we release that episode around all right before

you go to dinner, so right around 5:00 or so.

Guests from all over the industry and within the industry

itself. Sean, you and I have a very

similar back story that way where we got into horse racing

through non family means, essentially right through non

connections. We had to go figure it out

ourselves. Would you say the once you're

behind whatever that horse racing wall is, it is actually a

pretty welcoming place? Oh, definitely, yeah.

People in racing, 99% of people in racing are, yeah.

It's the nicest people you'll ever meet, the most

accommodating people you ever meet.

And the, you know, the big benefit that that I've, I've had

in the last two years working with blood horses now people are

starting to recognize my face. So now, you know, you know, that

that's a big, big step forward as far as, you know, kind of

getting the content that I need for what my job is.

But then, you know, just in general continuing to build on

those relationships. Like someone I someone I point

to that that's happened with is a trainer, Brendan Walsh, who,

you know, at first it was just, you know, I'd show up at the bar

and I'd say hello, asking my questions.

And that now, like when we were at the Pennsylvania Derby a

couple of months ago, like we stood there for a couple minutes

and just kind of had general conversation.

Wasn't me interviewing him or anything.

So you you build those relationships and the more you

see people, the more you get to hang out back there really does

play. They benefit.

Yeah, Brendan's my favorite guy to run into at the airport.

I think that's. I haven't done that yet.

I haven't run into. It at the airport yet so it's

the easiest conversation. He and I were like B-29 and B31

on a flight from Baltimore to Louisville and I let the woman

in B30 have the spot, you know, but yeah, no, it's it's you're

right. It's a, it's a spot where

getting through the, the impenetrable fortress of, of the

outside of horse racing isn't the easiest thing to do.

But at the same time, like you said, once you're in the, the

people, by and large, it's almost as much a sport as it is

a cause at this point, right? You know, we're, we're, we're

all fighting. We, we feel like there's, you

know, some bad indicators in some spots and good indicators

and others. We're trying to hold on to those

good indicators. But yeah, once you're once

you're inside the walls of the the forbidden horse racing city,

it feels like people are very kind.

I wanted to follow up though. You know, you mentioned, you

know, blood horse has allowed you to get your face out there,

specifically Blood Horse Monday. But a Pharaoh 12, you get your

start on YouTube essentially. And, and, and let's not, let's

not mix words here. I mean, that's largely, you

know, on top of your work at the, at the Kentucky Derby

museum, A Pharaoh 12 is a big boost for you getting, you know,

employed and, and, and noticed by by blood horse.

What What was the origin story of a Pharaoh 12 and what made

you want to do it? Yeah, well, the origin story

kind of I guess goes back to high school in the sense that I

was, my last two years of high school, I had took a video

editing class and I did a couple couple things in that class that

I really enjoyed focused around our our high school's marching

band, the Liberty High School Grenadier Band.

And so, yeah, I did. I did a couple behind the scenes

stuff with them and that kind of got my interest in video editing

and I just kind of sat on it for the first couple years of

college. And I was somebody when I would

go to the race track. I used to when I first started

going, my goal was I'm going to take a photo of every horse that

I ever see race. And then I ended up going too

frequently. So that's started to get a

little, a little outlandish of a goal.

So eventually for the big races, instead of taking photos, I was

like, why don't I take a video of these horses?

So like the 2019 Derby, I've got like a video clip of the post

parade and the, you know, a couple of the other races.

Like I started taking videos of them walking around and stuff

because I'm like, I'd rather go back and see the horses actually

moving rather than just looking at the pictures of them because,

you know, they're 8 billion photos of these horses at the

back races from 800 different photographers.

So in 2021, I was, I was at the at Churchill in the Lucas

Classic and I filmed the Knicks go at the Lucas Classic that

year. And I got some really good

footage of him walking around the paddock, of him running in

the race in the winner's circle afterwards.

And I was like, you know what, we're going to put all this

footage together did that. I was like, let me go ahead and

upload this to YouTube. I'm like, maybe somebody else

would enjoy watching this, you know, just something fun.

There's next goes fans out there.

Let me put this up there. So I uploaded it and end up

getting 30,000 views just the on site of him on on the racetrack.

So then I started going back to some of the other races I've

done before then and putting them together in the similar

style. Those caught on well.

Then as I was going to more races during the Churchill Downs

fall, me, I started to pick it up and intentionally filming

that kind of stuff. And then a couple months later

when the Derby came around, I was able to film all the horses

training for the Derby. And that seemed to really get a

good response to people enjoying watching and seeing all the all

the horses doing their preparations.

And then that happened to be the year Rich Strike one, the

Kentucky Derby, which was probably the most viral Kentucky

Derby of my lifetime, was when he won.

And so that the video I posted of him winning the Derby just

exploded. It's now over 1,000,000 views on

YouTube. But that was the thing that

really kick started me and got me to the point where I could

monetize my channel and then that would then pay for me to

travel to a lot of big races and just kept going, going on and on

and on. I've grown a pretty good

following there as well. But it's just something I didn't

really intend to turn into what it did, but I was able to turn

it into what I did what what it's become because just of 1

great horses, but two, just the effort that I put into it,

trying to get to as many of the big races as possible. 8 zero 12

/ 38 1/2 thousand Subs. What's your most popular video

and why is it hilarious? It's the 2024 Whitney.

For some reason I don't understand it something

something happened where that caught the algorithm.

It's got if you haven't pulled up there, it's got like several

million views. I just actually looked today.

It is my most the 2024 Whitney is my most watched video of 2025

for some reason. So it.

It caught the I caught the algorithm, it exploded.

The 2025 Whitney has benefited off of that because I guess it

just keeps recommending now a Pharaoh 12 Whitney.

So the 2025 Whitney is now my second most watched video this

year. So it just, I think it just

passed the Belmont Stakes for me.

I have no idea why. Now to be fair, it was a good

video. It was a well shot video, but it

wasn't the, you know, it's a grade one race, but it wasn't

like a superstar horse. It was Arthur's ride winning it.

I have no idea why that one is so popular, but I'll take it

now. The now because of how the

Whitney this year did. The Whitney is now the must hit

race of the year for me every year going forward.

Forever he shot Collin Lindsey's from blood horse joins us here

on the Kentucky Racing spotlight.

We're presented by the HBPAKYHBP a.com.

That's fantastic. You mentioned a relationship

with, with, you know, someone like like a Brendan Walsh or

whatever, and that's obviously cultivated, Sean, by your, your

showing up at the barn at Churchill Downs.

How many days a week is it? Is it 5 or 6?

How many days a week are you out on?

The bus, it really depends on the on what part we are in for

the racing season. So like Derby, my my thing with

Derby is once the first Kentucky Derby contender shows up, which

is usually somebody coming up that ran in the Louisiana Derby,

once that first horse shows up, I'm there every single day until

essentially until I leave for Preakness.

So, but even like during the fall meet, for example in

November, I'd say I mean I'm. There, I'm there every race day

for for the races, I'd say in the mornings I'm there probably

maybe 3-3 or so times a week, something like claiming crown.

I'm there every single day leading up to it.

Stephen Foster week. I'm there every day leading up

to it. Certain times a year I might go

maybe not as frequently, but I'm, I'm there pretty much at

least a couple times a week to get, get my comments for, for

the stories that I'm working on for the upcoming week, get some

video content for us as well. And the big race is definitely a

lot more when I was at Saratoga for the summer, I mean, I was

there 5:00 every single morning for that month and 1/2 because

there's so much going on there. But you're.

Going, you're going in the morning, Sean, over 100 * a

year. That's an easy number to put

together, right? And, and look, I'm a guy who

goes a couple dozen times a year, right?

I'm out there, but I'm not out there multiple times per week.

I'm out there once every other week.

If you aggregate the whole year together, something like that.

Why do you go to the barn so often, Sean?

I mean, it's just fun. I mean, that's that's the best

time of day to be there, see the horses as they're training.

That was something I fell in love with when I was a tour

guide at the Derby Museum. It was just being out there,

seeing all the horses out there on the track at the same time,

seeing the training. Now, even if I'm not, you know,

there's obviously the work aspect of it where there's times

where I do need to get comments from trainers and so I need to

go talk to them. So that pulls me in.

Or maybe, you know, there's a big race coming up this weekend.

And so I want to go get video footage for YouTube to have like

a training video that goes out the day before the race.

So there's, there's reasons like that that pulls me in.

But then in general, it's just, it's, it's a nice atmosphere.

Everybody's relaxed, everybody's having a good time.

The horses are out there. You get to see a whole bunch of

them out there at the same time. You're looking at, you know,

anywhere between maybe 50 to 100 horses going past you in the

span of a couple moments at any given point.

So it's just the atmosphere that I've really fallen in love with.

It's so much more unique from the races, and it's something

that when I was a tour guide at the Derby Museum, I just really

came to appreciate the fact that I had the ability to be present

for that and to have the access to be present for that.

And so I like to take advantage of that when I can, like

something like the Pennsylvania Derby, for example.

When I went home for that this past year and I had the option

to be there on the backstretch, it was worth waking up early and

driving an hour down the parks every single morning just to be

able to be on the backstretch at a different race track.

So it's just something that I really appreciate.

Michelle Collins, he's with Blood Horse.

He's on Blood Horse Monday as well.

You have worked with me now for 45 episodes, Sean.

And it doesn't have to be something about me.

It can be, of course, but Blood Horse Monday itself, you

mentioned people getting to know your face.

You went from being a guy with behind the camera on April 12.

You did get in front of it a little bit at least doing some

of those tours at church at Churchill Downs.

What's it been like doing Blood Horse Monday?

What have you learned this year? Oh it's been horrible because my

Co host just sucks you know? That's the whole thing.

It's not good people. Yeah, I.

Know Oh yeah, you know, I don't know, I don't know why they put

me with that guy. It's no, it's it it's been

awesome. The thing that I've really

enjoyed doing with that aside from working with you, because I

think we we really have a good rapport when we do that show,

but it's really for both of us, I think really open the door to

continue building relationships with people.

We're talking we're really analyzing all different parts of

the industry. We've had jockeys on trainers,

owners, breeders, people that are consignors at the sales

people, representatives of the race tracks, representatives of

the of the of the sales companies.

Like, I mean, we just had the racetrack, the executive

director from Abu Dhabi. On the podcast 2 weeks ago like

that, that's we're, we're really starting kind of grow, you know,

our involvement in the industry, both you and me in general.

But then also being able to bring the fans, bring, able to

bring people that are in the industry, bringing them along to

kind of get to know all the people in the industry.

Because you think about all the other sports, the main the big

thing with the other sports is you know all the people that are

involved. Like those are household names.

I feel like in racing you don't always have that as much.

It's like you know the horses, but you don't always know the

people that are behind the horses.

And so getting to shed a light on those people, I think is

definitely a huge deal. I think the other part is is

we've kind of gotten to shed the light on the people who work at

Blood Horse and who love this game too.

That too, yeah. You know the the Bobby halts of

the world and obviously everyone's gotten to know Frank

ganks throughout the year with his numerous segments with us

and and you. What I love about that part too,

especially I'll go to Frank just because we talk with him so

often. Sean, is he he, he is so good at

walking you through his editorial positions, right?

He explains how he gets from point A to point B.

And I think that part is really interesting because he's, like

you said, you know, you went and got a business degree.

Frank is talking business, right?

More than anything else. He's doing the literally the the

columns called dollars and cents SENSE, but it's a he's literally

looking at the finances of the sport at a time when we really

got to get that figured out right.

And so it's A and frankly, we'll always have to get it figured

out, but that sort of stuff. But getting Bobby hold on.

Bob Kieffer was on this week talking hog cog.

He's he's fantastic. You know, Byron Kings of the

world, the Joe Perez's of the world, you know, all the

different people that do the, the tough work at Blood horse.

You know, the behind the scenes stuff that frankly, you see the

names on the page, we actually get to, you know, we get to show

them off a little bit, right? You know, especially, you know,

the Breeders Cup coverage that we got to do etcetera.

I've loved that part of the job too, Sean, because I, I'm like

you, I grew, I grew up a fan. And so I saw all these names,

you know, in, in, in print, but getting to know them, I think

it's been really fun as well. Yeah, getting to know the

people, the people in our position that do the writing and

do the reporting and stuff too. I think that just for one, it

binds you more to like when you're reading the stories, you

can, if you get to know the people by watching them on the

podcast, you can kind of understand where their

viewpoints are coming from a little bit more.

You can understand their writing style a little bit more.

And I just feel like it makes it a more enjoyable reading

experience if you actually know who it is that's writing it

behind it. And you know, knowing the

passion, knowing the, you know, the parts that they of the

industry that they're really in tune with, I think is definitely

a big deal. Sean Collins with us.

I'll get you out of here on this.

Sean, you were a tour guide at the Kentucky Derby Museum.

For how long? Let's start with that.

Came up to be just under three years, I think.

Yeah, by the time I left, yeah, it was close to three years.

That's a lot of tours. That is a lot of work.

If you were in an elevator and you knew you had 45 seconds and

someone said, wow, what? What's Churchill all about?

What would you tell them? Gosh, I got too much.

I don't know if I could cram it into 4.

You got 45 seconds. Sean Collins radio.

Get it done. I mean, I would just, I would

tell them it's the most historic sporting venue on the planet.

Essentially the greatest race in the world is held there.

It's been one of the unique things about Churchill, I think

compared to a lot of other sporting venues is that every

single running of the Derby has happened at the same place over

the same track. And so, you know, you think

about some of the other sports and how do you get your new

stadiums and things kind of move around.

Even in horse racing, the Belmont Stakes has moved around.

The Preakness Stakes has run around, has moved around.

The Derby stayed put for 150 years, well, 151 years.

And that's been, I mean, all the history that's out of there on

the track. You can feel it every time you

go out there. And one of the things I really

enjoyed doing with the tours was just seeing people's reactions

to that. Like when they got there and

they looked around, they could see it.

And like you have the old with the twin Spires, but you have

the new with the new paddock in the new sections as well.

And you can see kind of how the old and the new mixed together.

But then I, you know, the thing we in the industry, I think

under undervalue is the lack of knowledge that the general

public has about the sport. And being able to kind of sit

down with people and talk to them about what the sport is,

what the Kentucky Derby is and really see them get a better

understanding for what we do on a daily basis and hopefully

enjoy it more as they go forward.

That was the part I really loved about that job was being able to

explain the industry to them and kind of understand.

I think understanding where some people are confused in the

industry as far as they don't understand what certain things

are. I think that has done helped me

in the career that I have now is because I know what people don't

aren't expecting and don't understand.

Synthetic championships this weekend on our circuit there in

Kentucky. Do you think they'll race with

the temperatures expected? I haven't even looked at what

the temperatures are expected. What are they?

I'm still I'm. I'm still getting adjusted.

Friday or something? What was it?

I think it's going to be 6 on Friday, the high is 33 on

Saturday and it's going to rain, snow, whatever that is.

I hope they run, but we'll see. I I'm still getting adjusted.

This is going to be a hard week for me.

I was on this past Saturday. I was 80° in Abu Dhabi watching

racing. I don't know if I'm going to

enjoy the 30° at Turfway Park on this weekend, but we'll do it no

matter what. So I'm.

Currently poolside and it is 85° in San Juan.

See you you're you're lucky. I'm not ready to come home

because the high on Sunday is 16.

This is what I'm getting at. This is.

What this is what I had to do with options.

Come on, Turf Point, get it done.

You got to. I mean, they got Now, to be

fair, jockeys will run when every race is worth at least

$100,000. I'm just saying.

Oh, yeah, everybody's going to ride around, be cold for for

that kind of first money. But all right, Sean, we'll let

you get out of here. Thank you so much for joining us

here on the Racing SPOTLIGHT. Other than replacing Louis

Rabeau, what's the best way to improve Blood Horse Mind?

Oh, I mean that that's a that's a big part of it.

Replace yeah, replace Louis and get me some give me a Co host

with hair. That's that's what we need.

We need more air on on Blood Works Monday.

Well, there you go. He's Sean Collins, a Pharaoh 12.

All the good things at BH under score Sean S Collins.

Is that right? Did I get there?

Yeah, BH under score S Collins or at a Pharaoh 12.

I have Twitter accounts for both.

There you go. So you can go find him there on

the social. Sean, really do appreciate you

jumping in. Have a great rest of the week,

buddy. Thank you.

Enjoy Puerto Rico. I'll see you back on Monday and.

Marrero closing day tomorrow. Let's go.

There you go, they close there. I thought they ran every day.

It's like, well, it's closing for like 2026.

They don't run around Christmas. So like they take a couple

weeks. Oh, really?

They used to? Yeah.

There you go. I I'm just going on what the

calendar says, my friend. So there you go.

All right. Thank you, Sean.

See ya. There you go.

Sean Collins. Appreciate him joining us from

Blood Horse at BH under score. S Collins, of course, it's an A

pharaoh 12 for the YouTube page. If you're the one horse racing

person that's not following that an absolute delight to sit next

to every Monday. I appreciate him jumping on the

program and frankly he's he's a mainstay at the Barnes in such a

positive way. Getting to walk around the

backside of Churchill Downs with Shawn Collins is an experience

unto itself because of the good relationships he's forged back

there. This is the racing spotlight.

My name is Louis Rabo, where we are in the mobile studios this

week, but usually are at ESPN 680 and 105.7 where you can

catch me 11:50 on Rabo and Co. Up next, we talked about those

synthetic championships. Let's handicap them.

We'll do that next welcome back in final segue here on the

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this morning. And of course, our weekly

program called the Socal Saturdays, we all look through

the entire cart in Southern California, wherever they are

running, and the low sale fraternity is this weekend.

So of course we went ahead and handicapped that this week.

My guest was Josh Rodriguez from the Wrong Lead podcast and a

good guy up there in Chicago helped me out with the

California preview as well. I wanted to talk about a couple

of horses that will be running in the synthetic championships

this weekend, ones that I think are interesting that I'm trying

to figure out if they fit in or not and maybe some local

connections can pick off some of these bigger, you know, some of

these bigger purses. But Race 6 will start that pick

four with the all synthetic championship pick four there at

Turfway Park. The my Charmer is a mile on the

synthetic there it is for three and up on the Philly and mare

side of things, I mentioned Caitlin, her greatness of the

open to this show. She comes in out of the Woodbine

circuit. She's never actually been at

Turfway Park, but her numbers at at Woodbine do suggest that she

would be good in the company here.

And frankly, she's run some colder weather as well up there

at Woodbine and it gives me some hope that maybe she'll be good

to go. She ran in the Maple Leaf last

year in November as a three-year old, came back this year as a

four year old, has already won twice, run second three times

from 7 starts in the Kevin Natard barn.

As I mentioned before, Flavian Pratt picks up the mount.

He won a board her in the Ontario Matron.

Now I want to be really clear. Flavian's in town, Irad's in

town for this day. I don't know what kind of odds

you're going to get on those kind of horses by the end of the

day. But what's really interesting to

watch is, generally speaking, people who don't ride a turfway

on big days, when they show up, they don't win the first four or

five races necessarily. But by the end of the day, they

figure out the track biases, they figure out what they want

to at least try to do with their mounts.

And so that'll be really interesting to watch.

And so frankly, by the time we get to Race 6 and we're talking

about Caitlin, her greatness, would we not expect them by

then? Flavian Pride, who has multiple

amounts on the day, Hey, every race is 100.

Ki was joking with Sean on Monday on the show that it's a

almost guarantee, even with the weather they're on.

And on Saturday, right? They're running tomorrow.

There's almost no doubt about it because hey, who's going to miss

out on five races of at least 100K and then four races of at

least $250,000? I mean, come on.

Of course every jockey in the world's going to want to do

that. But Caitlin, her greatness makes

the trip. Literate's in here for Brad Cox.

He acclaim after the after the Shaluchi out of the Drexler

Martin barn puts her back on the synthetic where she is 4 for

eight lifetime. All those runs at Woodbine and

many of them coming over two turns, including a win in July

in the Trillium up there in a grade 3 at Woodbine.

So I'm fascinated by Literate as well.

Brad has very quickly with the move, if I read Ortiz to

Kentucky, grabbed on to Irad Ortiz Junior as one of his top

writers. And as the Kentucky circuit

continues to evolve and Irad has already said going down for the

championship meet at at Gulfstream Park, and then as

soon as that's over, he'll be at Keeneland, he'll be doing those

things. You got to watch for him here.

And frankly, I think he's a name that we're going to see more and

more at Turfway Park. I think Irad's one of those

names you need to watch because I think because he's got a

Kentucky base now, I think he'll be at Turfway more often for big

weekends now, Gulfstream Park championship meet, that's its

own thing. And you don't have to.

I'm not going to fight anybody on being in South Florida when

they're running maidens in the high 80s, thousands and then

they're, you know, the Derby trail, all those things.

I'm not going to fight anybody. I'm going down to Gulfstream for

the winter, but I think you're going to see, I read more and

more at Turfway Park. I think you'll see Flabby and

Pratt at Turfway Park. Now that he's going to be

stationed, instead of going all the way to California, he's

going to be New York. It's one of those things where

we're just going to see these guys more and more because

there's money. There's money.

I read didn't move to Kentucky because he was a farmer.

No, not having to live on Long Island with your family might be

more attractive living here, right?

Living in Kentucky, but I'm not quite sure.

There are some locals as well in this race that I'm watching.

Landed is in here for Wesley Ward coming out of Kentucky

Downs. Most recently before that was

running at Keeneland and ran in the Broadway as a New York bred,

winning at Aqueduct as well. Over the seven furlongs, gets to

a mile here. Is only run twice at a mile, but

is 1 for two. An interesting one because

usually we think of horses going to Turfway as literally jumping

off the turf and trying the synthetic.

This is one that's going from dirt to synthetic and, you know,

tried the Kentucky Downs last time was good there.

Ran a good fourth, by the way, under John Velasquez.

Walter Rodriguez picks up them out here.

But this is a daughter of Omaha Beach.

And we're seeing more and more of this, as I said in the open,

we need to be ready for this. I think we're going to see more

and more synthetics and I think the Omaha beaches are the early

examples of that in the Holiday landing.

It's a six furlong Sprint here. This is on the female side of

things. Again, Ellen J is in here.

This is an exciting one from the Ellen J Foxwoods folks.

She ran good second at Presque Isle in the Presque Isle Downs

Masters just back in September. Flavia and Pratt went in for

that race and she's interesting because she's a closer in a

sprinter's world that can work at Turfway Park, but it's

usually from the outside. So I'm interested to see if L&J

gets a good trip here, is able to get out of the gate a little

bit quicker. She's over three this year, but

boy, she can be really fast when she wants to be.

She ran third in the Smart and Fancy up at Excuse Me at That at

Saratoga earlier this summer as well.

Here's who has been booked to ride her floral Giroux Bobby and

Brad Joel Rosario. I read Ortiz junior.

This is a serious connections. Brad Cox trains interested to

see her in this Sprint in race 7 in the holiday landing.

Pondering's going to break right next to her.

This is the other I read Ortiz mount Brandon Walsh trains here.

This one just won at Woodbine and so first time trying

synthetic wins the grade 3 up there going 7 furlongs.

This is going to be a lot faster.

Now the good news for Pondering is Pondering is a stalking type

is going to be near the front of the pace.

If I had to lean somewhere, it's the three-year old daughter of

Hard Spun who I think is going to pick off Race 7 as we get

there on Saturday at Turfway Park.

Well, I'm Louis Rabo and that is going to wrap us for this week

on the Kentucky Racing Spotlight.

So sorry that we didn't get into more handicapping at the end of

the show here, but wanted to make sure we've got time for the

other great, the other great programming around here at ESPN

Louisville. By the way, I think Encino wins

his race as well. I'm the Prairie, if that's a

helpful thing. All later in the show, thanks to

Sean Collins. Thanks to all of you for hanging

out with us. And certainly thanks to all the

folks at the National Council of Legislators from gaming states

for having me to their conference here in Puerto Rico.

Back to the snow on Sunday. Stay warm out there.

Good luck with all your wagers this weekend.

Thanks for joining us on the spotlight.

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