Oaklawn Saturday | Matt Dinerman

Life is. Good.

Yes, it's true and it's time for another edition of the Horse

racing Happy Hour. Hanging out with Matt, dinner

with my name is Louie Robot, time for an Oakland tree.

You haven't done one of those, frankly, since before we talk to

Matt at Monmouth. So how about that?

It is a post Christmas, New Year's Eve edition of the

program. Matt, how are you buddy?

You doing that? I'm doing well, Louie.

Yeah. Everything's going great here in

Arkansas Hot Springs, and we got one more week here until we take

a little break. The first time we've ever done

this. Yeah, the the break in in making

the schedule the way that they have.

How's it been received? You know, I, I always, you know,

we could see it on Twitter and the reaction that kind of way,

but by horsemen, horsewomen by the owners down there.

What How's the how's the break been perceived?

Well, I think one of the reasons that this break is in existence

is because the horsemen really wanted to go to four days a week

and based on a number of factors, this was one of the

ways to get there. So I think the horsemen are very

pleased about going back to four days a week, which we're going

to see plenty of those weeks after this break.

So with that in mind, I think there are plenty of people that

are supportive of it. Obviously there are some things

about it that, you know, logistics that the horsemen and

the folks employees have to work on.

But I I think that it's well received and I think people are

really excited to get to that four days a week.

Yeah, no, I think they are too. You know, even talking up here

in the Kentucky circuit, Matt, I had Brad Cox on a few weeks ago

and it was talking about Ellis and, you know, some of his two

year olds at Randall and that kind of stuff.

And he just said in passing, I really wish we'd go to four days

a week. And so it does seem to be with

the Horseman. If you can get to that kind of

schedule, it does seem preferable for them.

Even if there is a break involved in the middle of the

season, they can at least schedule things out that way.

Yeah, it's an interesting thing too, Matt.

It seems like every November we start to see the who's going to

Oaklawn as far as jockeys and different connections, that kind

of thing. Another year, another great

colony down there. Really a strong colony this

year. Luis Saez, I think was a big

name that obviously people know and he announced it about a

month before the he'd be coming here.

And he actually started off fairly slow, but he's really

picked it up. You know, at the end of the day,

you still got to ride the right horses.

You still got to ride live horses and you still got to work

hard at it no matter what your brand is.

And you see that with the jockeys, you know, they can go

to different places, these big names and do pretty well, but

it's never, ever guaranteed. So we saw Louise Saez, of

course, come here and he's, he's made a name for himself already

here in this state. And, you know, I haven't heard

anything about him coming back after the break, but I would

assume that's the case. That was the plane all along.

And I would imagine he's done well enough to justify coming

back after that break. Jaime Torres is a new name.

You know, he's ridden a lot of horses, has gotten a lot of

mounts. Joel Rosario hasn't been here

that often, but he's somebody that's going to base himself

here. And then when he needs to

travel, which he does plenty, he will.

And then, of course, you've got, let's not forget about the names

that have been here for a long time.

Ramon Vasquez, Christian Torres, Francisco Arrieta, Ricardo

Santana Junior. I mean, these are guys that have

had a lot of success here year after year and they're back and

they're having a lot of success, which also tells me that the

training colony here, the owners, they're loyal to the

people that have succeeded for them, which I think is a

positive thing. I think in some places with top

jockeys, it gets really top heavy.

And I think a business is really separated.

You get a guy like an Irat or a Flavian Pratt who no matter

where they go, owners just flock to them.

And we don't always, just fact of the matter, we don't always

see the loyalty that maybe some other people deserve.

No, no knock to any of the top jockeys, But here it seems like

there really has been a spread of business.

A lot of different guys winning races.

Everybody's making pretty good money, everybody's happy.

And I think that's a healthier program all around.

Yeah, that sounds like it to me, too.

Matt Dinnerman with us. He calls the races at Oaklawn

Park a busy week for you guys. You will be racing tomorrow on

New Year's Day leading into the first Derby prep official one I

guess there on Saturday as well in the Smarty Jones, but a fair

number of stakes alongside 2 of them on the card on Saturday.

Let's go ahead and talk about those after we ask you about

your favorite moment this year. It is the end of the year.

I'm not going to ask you who you've got for Horse of the Year

in the Eclipse Awards or anything like that.

But you know. I mentioned, you know, I

mentioned being at Oak Lawn and certainly, you know, you got to

call that great run by by journalism in the in the stretch

of the Haskell as well. Is there a moment that does

stand out for Matt Dinner? I would say that's probably the

moment it it was, it was not only just the race.

I mean the race was very dramatic and in the end it was a

great stretch run, cool of a stretch run as you can find.

But you were there, you saw all the people and how loud it got.

I spoke to Irad Ortiz actually about a week after that race

because he was in the Haskell and I saw him in the paddock at

Saratoga because I was there that day and he told me that's

probably one of the loudest races I've ever ridden in.

It's certainly the loudest race I've ever called just I mean,

you got a lot of young people there that day.

A bunch of them bet journalism because he was the favorite.

And to see him win like that and to see on the gallop out people

throwing their hats and some beer was in the air.

And it was just it was almost it remind me of the the scene when

Seabiscuit, you know, won his match race against war Admiral

and all the people were going crazy in the stands.

It was a lot like that. Just a really fun race to call.

That's probably one of the best races I've called.

I'm not talking about my race call, I'm talking about like the

race itself. So that was a heck of a moment.

I don't know how much more exciting a Haskell could have

been than that. Yeah, that was about as good as

it gets. I do get to vote the Eclipse

Awards. And one of the comments I made

on Blood Horse Monday this week was if someone voted Journalism

Horse of the Year for what he meant for going to Baltimore,

right when when sovereignty simply didn't.

Setting up that rematch in the Belmont.

And then frankly, just turning around and running in the

Haskell again, trying the Pacific Classic against older

horses, running a great Breeders' Cup Classic, frankly a

sub 201 Breeders' Cup Classic, right?

He had a hell of a year. I mean, frankly, you got a great

winner out of the Haskell this year up there at Monmouth.

We did, and we're really excited about it.

You know, when you're at a racetrack, you want to see the

horses that compete in your big races go to other places and do

well too. We saw that with Goal Oriented,

who ran third in the Haskell, just won the Grade 1 Malibu,

which is great to see. That was at 7 furlongs, but

nonetheless, it's a Grade 1. I, I think with journalism, he

danced all the dances and you see it all the time on social

media, people saying we need horses to run more and we need

them to run in big races. And you can't complain about

that. You can't say that the

connections didn't put them out there and put them out there for

the public to see. I mean, there's a lot of social

media content about him. People are allowed to go to the

backstretch if they were around. And, and Michael McCarthy and

Aaron Wellman from Eclipse and everybody was very gracious with

letting fans pet him and feed him a carrot.

And I, I thought it was a great show of sportsmanship by them.

The fact that this horse is a sort of an old throwback, knock

on wood, very sound horse that always seemed to want to do

more. So they let him do that.

And again, going back to the sportsmanship side of things, I

thought it was a pretty cool deal.

You know, you can always say, well, maybe you got a little

tired at the end of the year. This is that and the other

thing. But the fact of the matter is

they did what a lot of people want to see from our horses,

which is run often, run appropriately though, in the

right races, and see what they can do.

And this horse danced all the dances.

Kudos to them. Yeah, he from the low sale Derby

until the Haskell, he had as good at six months as anyone.

I really did. I was just, it was phenomenal to

watch for sure. And you're right about Aaron

Wellman and the Eclipse folks. And then with Michael McCarthy,

just if you wanted availability or time or whatever, I remember

the morning after the Preakness and they weren't quite sure of

the of the plans yet, how open they were.

They did like a 1012 minute interview with us, that kind of

stuff. And so for sure, one of those

things about this year that will always stand out to me, you

know, Matt, in people, people will say they need work life

balance. I don't know if you've ever

heard this, but what they really mean is they they want to work

less, right? Right.

Of course, yeah. Horse racing fans say they want

horses. You know, horsemen will always

say I think we're going to do right by the horse, but I think

that's their way of saying we're not going to run as much as they

could right that kind. Of thing, it feels like there

are times where that feels like a game.

Sure, it's a. Little like work life balance

here. Yeah, that's exactly right,

Matt. Determined with those three

Colts. Handicap on the social if you

want to go find him there. Let's get into these races on

Saturday, Matt, down your place there in Hot Springs. the

Renaissance will be race for an interesting pair of horses in

here and probably a third interesting horse that's only

running its third race. This is for three-year olds,

horses that will be turning 3 tomorrow, $150,000 on the line

here. And look, Dirty Riches in here.

Winner of the Advent Stakes just a couple of weeks ago,

Obliteration returns after an attempt in the Breeders Cup

Juvenile Turf Sprint, where frankly, he finished a really

good third. Moving back to the dirt after

some really good wins at Saratoga as well, Where do you

tend to lean on these kinds of races toward the one that's

shown it locally in Oakland or one that's coming in that's

shown in other places as well? Well, we've seen a lot of

shippers come in and do well here, so and that includes Dirty

Rich, a horse that was running in California before he came

here. So here I don't see a need to

run over the track and and that gives you an advantage

necessary. I've seen a lot of horses come

in the week of, a few days before and they run really well,

so I don't look into that necessarily.

I did pick Obliteration in this race.

Obviously this horse is very well meant.

Early on in his career, a lot of people were talking about him

and he's never really run that bad of a race when you look at

his form. He just hasn't quite been able

to get there his last couple tries and to run fourth in the

Breeders Cup Juvenile Turf Sprint.

I would think you could at least compete against Dirty Rich in a

race like that. No disrespect to Dirty Rich, who

really got out of the gate, went in a good clip, kept going.

He got a clear lead at parts of the race in the Advent.

So he got things his own way to a point.

He's going another half furrowing.

He's Wheeling back in what, 3 weeks, 3 1/2 weeks?

So you know, it's going to be interesting to see if he

bounces, if he's able to duplicate that.

That was a real speedy 5 1/2 furlongs.

Now he's going another half furlong and Obliteration

certainly draws the better post. So I'd rather take Obliteration,

but you're not getting any value here.

Thing is, these two are just so much faster than the others.

If anybody else wanted would be a big surprise.

OK, interesting. I was going to ask you about

strong potential. Finished fourth in that Advent.

Was it just too much to overcome, you think?

Yeah, I mean, I think maybe he you could make an argument,

maybe he needed the race maybe off a layoff and it was only his

second try after that. So I think there's Romeo

improve, but he will need to really improve.

He wants to beat the other two who I both think are very, very

nice sprinters and have a much more significant class edge.

It's still yet to be seen how good strong potential is.

Obviously Steve might must like him a little bit Asmussen if

he's putting them in a race like this.

He could certainly find a first level allowance at a place like

Oaklawn or or somewhere else to run this horse, but he's opting

to run him here at Oaklawn. So if he likes horses, usually

he runs him in a stake at Oaklawn during the winter, but I

still just don't know if he's fast enough.

Going inside, outside, Matt Dennerman with us.

So call the races starting tomorrow again, back there

January 1st, we're talking January 3rd racing Saturday.

Let's move to late pick 3, Matt, the Commodore will be race 9.

The Commodore overnight, 135,000 on the line here, 6 furlongs on

the dirt again. And of course, this is for

horses that are 4 and up that have never won a steaks that is

other than a steak bread. And so this is an interesting, I

don't want to call it a high level allowance, but you see a

lot of horses in here that are of that kind of ilk.

But frankly, you also see concrete glory who's in here off

of a repeat win in the claiming crown up here at Churchill

Downs. Interesting to see him in this

kind of company. But I think it also makes sense,

Matt. It makes a lot of sense and

usually when Safi ships a horse here from Florida, usually they

do pretty well. He sends them fit, ready to go

and they always look good on the track.

So I would think this is the horse to beat in here.

I don't have a strong opinion at the moment anyway at the time of

this recording, but it's a big field.

The only knock I have with Concrete Glory with any horse

that's like him is he's just very one-dimensional and when

you're a need the lead horse like he is, other horses can

make or break your race depending on what they do.

You're in a bit of a vulnerable position in terms of speed.

He's probably the fastest horse in the race early, He's probably

the fastest horse late. I mean, on his best day he's a

pretty tough customer and even though he won a starter

allowance race at Churchill Downs, you look at his past

races. Beaten 3/4 of length by Super

Chow is a really nice horse. He's a stakes quality type of

individual, so he definitely fits in this race.

Yeah, that was at six furlongs in the Gulfstream Park Sprint,

as you mentioned, frankly, was out on the lead and got caught

very late in that one by Super Chow.

And so he's just one of those. Frankly, if this was at 5 1/2,

you might feel really good about the race that way.

Another favorite in here is going to be Echo, again, a horse

that we've seen quite a bit, frankly, up here at Churchill

Downs. This one that runs a lot in

optional claiming type company. Huge buyer last time in the mud

up here at Churchill Downs. Give him much of a shot on

Saturday. I think so.

I mean, you got a 98 buyer twice at Saratoga over a fast track,

so I'm not necessarily convinced that this horse is only running

that type of race over a wet track because of the numbers

indicate that's not the case and you can run very well on a fast

track. There was a time in his career

when he was pretty inconsistent and two starts ago he didn't run

his race. I don't know what happened

there, but other than that his last 6-7 races have all been

very solid. Seems like a good spot for him

and he's hoping that maybe somebody goes out there with

concrete glory and he he likes to be he can be close, but he

he's pretty versatile. So I I think that their best

option to try to win this race is maybe sit off a fast and

contentious pace, not too far off, but stock it and then come

run on. But I think this is a spot that

makes a lot of sense when you look at his class level and also

his numbers. Seems like the right type of

spot for him. Yeah, I think if it falls apart,

the inside horse thought that counts could be the one that

tries to pick up the pieces here.

I worry about the six. I think this is more of like A7

Furlog type horse at this point in his career.

Does have three wins at the distance before.

As you mentioned, Christian Torres, just a long time very

top rider down there, wins about 20% of his races and so I would

trust him in this spot as well. There is a cool horse in here in

Navy SEAL that just missed in a state bread allowance here.

It would be fun to see the Archie Bread get up for this

one, wouldn't it? It sure would and I think this

horse was not 100% cranked to win that last start.

He was coming off about a four month layoff.

His work pattern was a little bit on the lighter side and that

was not a race they needed to win, but he was eligible for it

to where they didn't have to put him in for A tag.

And the fact of the matter is the race winner, Bohemian Bow,

he's not a bad horse himself. The Arky Breads and he's won

against Open Company. He's a speed horse that got a

clear lead that day. Navy SEAL almost won the race.

He was just unlucky to lose a Bob for the win, so I thought it

was a good effort and I think he could take a step forward.

But he's also one that has had success in the past against

allowance Company and Open Allowance Company at that.

So that tells me he's certainly eligible to run.

Well, he's an 8 year old now. Sometimes these horses off of

layoffs when they're older, it takes a maybe in another race or

two versus a younger horse that can get in shape a little bit

quicker. But this horse does figure to

sit off, which should be a pretty decent pace I would

think. And I think it's an interesting

spot before the break to put this horse rather than wait,

they're going to run him here. Yeah, I think out of the two

week break here for Nancy Knotts should be an interesting one for

sure. Navy SEAL in his career, 26

times hitting the board in 47 races.

Love horses like this. Just this year, second place in

a stakes at Hawthorne and 3rd place in a stakes at Prairie

Meadows. The feature on the card will be

the Smarty Jones race tent started late, double mile in a

16th on the dirt track there at Oaklawn Park.

Quarter million bucks on the line and of course interesting

to say these things. Of course, mad every year.

First time I'm saying this, it's for three-year olds.

Universe comes in here, most recently in the Kentucky Jockey

Club, which was a pretty, pretty good race.

Lost before that to Incredible. Lots of people very high on

Incredible coming out of the street.

Since we give Universe a big shot here.

Or is this a horse that we kind of like?

Don't run second again on me. Well, I think both, I mean, he's

got a big shot, but I also feel again, he's one of these horses

that he he just sort of seems to come on late in in in his races

and and he hasn't quite done enough to win these stakes

races. But obviously he's Got Talent

and he also seems like a horse that could improve with time,

could improve with more experience.

I, I don't think he's running in races like he's green or that

he's not trying to win or anything.

But certainly a horse that has been running well and I could

see if he takes that next leap forward a winning a race like

this, I probably will try to beat him on the winning.

However, I also probably wouldn't leave him off a pick 5A

pick four I'd probably still stick him on, but he's one of,

if not the horse to beat. I know Rancho Santa Fe number

fives the morning line favorite Brad Cox horse in a Derby trail

type of race. Not a surprise.

I sort of tab universe is the one to be personally.

Interesting. OK, Boca Beach Club comes out of

the aforementioned Advent Stakes.

They're finished second behind behind Dirty Rich in that race,

who will be, if not the post time favorite, the second

favorite in the Renaissance in the earlier part of the card,

Boca Beach Club stretches out here.

Son of Omaha Beach Mine Shaft on the damn side.

Makes sense as far as the pedigree at least.

How do you see this one stretching?

Up, I think he'll be OK with the stretch out.

I question the Class A little bit.

Is he is He's good enough. His Advent Stakes was very good,

closed into Dirty Rich's speed and Dirty Rich.

He got a fairly easy lead that day too, so I don't think that

helped Boca Beach Club have a chance to win.

I think it hurt his chances to win a little bit.

He's run 2 good races right off the bat.

He certainly got pedigree to route and he's been working

quickly in the morning. I do feel that the key with him

is getting a target, stretching out those sprints.

I don't think he's going to be on the lead.

I think he's going to try to rate and sit right behind.

But his trainer, Jimmy DeVito, he works him quick in the

morning. He trains him, all his good

horses, all like Bob Baffert does.

So with that in mind, I look at fast works.

That doesn't necessarily tell me that he needs to be on the lead

or he's going to be on the lead. But I do think he'll be a little

more prominent stocking. I don't think he'll have a

problem stretching out. I think the question will be

whether he's good enough, plain and simple.

Rich Rancho said a fable break from the five here.

This is out of the Brad is the Brad Cox floor on Guru

combination. This is one that broke his

maiden going that mile turn and 1/2 at Ellis Park over the

summer that we saw him win at Keeneland against Winters for

the first time. A little bit of time off here,

usually not a problem out of the Cox barn has been working in

Florida. What do you make of Rancho Santa

Fe? This is an interesting addition.

Frankly, it's not very often with with Brad Cox that we see

horses that debut at a mile and stay at that kind of distance.

So this is one they clearly thought, you know, son of Tappet

that should stay at that kind of distance.

Well, he certainly runs like a horse and it wants no part of

one turn. He doesn't want to Sprint.

He doesn't look like he wants to Sprint.

So now that he's starting him out at that mile at Ellis, not a

surprise. He's just a bit of a grinder.

He doesn't have a huge burst, which could be a good thing, it

could be a bad thing. He could be one of these horses

that just does just enough to win and that's it.

Or he could be one of these horses that eventually maybe a

race like this, somebody he finds his match and more than

his match and he loses. So I I think that he should run.

Well, there's no indication that he can't, but I do think he's a

beatable horse on his running style.

Strategic risk is a Florida bred that just ran them off their

feet going two turns at Gulfstream Park in there in

their Florida bread race just just a couple of weeks ago at

the end of November. What do you make of a Florida

bread come and get out of that kind of performance?

Are you looking more like the with anticipation back at

Saratoga or hey, no, If he can do that kind of stuff against

Florida breads, why can't he be competitive in this field?

Well, I mean, though with anticipation was on the grass

and maybe just didn't take to the turf for whatever reason.

He doesn't really have grass pedigree here.

And sometimes those Gulfstream Park races can be deceiving.

We've seen it plenty of times with horses that they run at

Gulfstream and then they're not able to duplicate that form.

Other times when they're able to duplicate that form, they're

pretty darn nice. And I thought this horse really

woke up last time. What I liked about his race is

that he really showed a nice kick.

I mean, he stalked the pace, drew by his company, ran on and

ran off with the race and he won for fun and he won with a kick.

And that's what I like to see with horses like this going into

these prep races. So right now I'm actually

leaning towards making him my top pick.

I think he's got a good enough kick.

I know it was against state breds.

This is a much tougher field, I would imagine.

But at the same time he is those.

He's a kind of horse that just because he's a Florida bred

doesn't mean that he should be downgraded in a race like this.

In my opinion. I don't think there's any

standouts necessarily. I think there's class standouts,

but in terms of talent, I don't think too many of them are

separated by that much. I think it's a very competitive

race. John Oxley homebred there, 3000

bucks with Noble Bird. How about that?

That's awesome. Sleeping got freedom will break

from the 9 outside. That's Mcpeak.

That's Hernandez junior. This is look, when we talk about

high level races at Oakland, these are the two that we're

looking for. This is one that broke its

maiden going 6 1/2 at Keeneland. Comes back over a mile and a

16th lower level stuff kind of $50,000 sort of stuff because

the horse was in the, the, the restricted, you know, the sales

essentially made especially Keeneland.

What do we make of sleeping up Freedom?

I do like the fact that the horse has gone the mile into

16th at least. I like that too, and if Kenny

Mcpeak didn't think he was good enough at this level, he

wouldn't put him in. I know Kenny likes to take

shots, but this horse isn't out of the question.

That said, I don't particularly care for him.

I I think that when you're coming out of a starter

allowance race, it's a big ass to win a starter allowance.

He was very heavily favored to win this starter allowance race

and he ran a really good race. I mean, he was boxed in behind

horses and once he angled out he showed a nice kick.

That tells me that this horse certainly has some ability.

It's just where does he fit and second time routing.

I've always liked that angle. He's going to be coming off the

pace. He didn't win on the lead

sprinting. So I guess he's versatile in

that respect. I I sort of tend towards leaning

elsewhere though, but it it wouldn't be a a surprise to see

him run well. I I just from starter allowance

to win in the Smarty Jones? That seems like a big ass to me.

Would be a big ask for sure, but also we would look back and go,

no, that's Kenny. That's how that goes.

Yeah, right. There to move with us.

Somebody called the races at Oaklawn this weekend.

This is the horse racing happy hour.

Looyer Beau hanging out with you.

Just a quick pick, in the last year, this is an allowance for

four year old 6 furlongs on the dirt here.

Essentially, I've never won above a lower lower level 5 O

somewhere will break from the one from Matt Shire as the

favorite. Where do you think you'll end up

planning them? Well, I mean, I think Stiglitz

is probably the horse to beat, although he is a horse drawn

outside who has a lot of speed in his last couple of races and

has run his best races close to the pace and there's a lot of

speed in here. I think this is a pretty tough

race because all the main contenders are quick and that's

a problem. I'm going to be looking for off

the pace horses. I think 50 somewhere.

The 5:00 to 2:00 morning line shot is very much beatable

coming off a romping win for 25,000 at Churchill.

First off, the claim for Matt Shire drawing the rail inside of

a bunch of other speed, I don't love that.

I think he's beatable. I'd probably lean towards

Stiglitz at the moment. That could change.

I do think Vital Minds pretty nice horse for Steve Asmussen.

He started his career here on Arkansas Derby day, ran second,

took a bunch of time off, came back and one off the layoff.

Steve isn't running a horse on Arkansas Derby Day first out

unless he thinks the horse can run.

So this horse is interesting, but he's another one that he he

likes to be close and there's just a lot of speed.

And I'm scratching my head because all these horses that

like to be close, they're all the ones to beat.

There's probably six or seven of them.

And I know there's not going to be 6 or 7 on the line down the

backstretch, but none of these horses is shown as of late.

They can win unless they're close.

So it's a bit of a puzzle. Yeah, run Jalen, run.

Ran second last time, will be on this.

Field be another one. Behind that, I mean just

there's, there's a ton of ways you can go here.

If you made the case for Run Jalen, run, I don't think I'd

fight you, man. No, not at all and he's a good

horse. I mean he's run well here at

Oaklawn too, but again, this horse on the lead last time 5 O

somewhere close to the pace. He hasn't won unless he's on the

lead. Vitalmind bunch of ones in the

in the running line. JP race has posted some big

numbers the last couple starts. He he went to the lead in both

those races. He stocked the pace in one in

July Prairie Meadows, but that was Prairie Meadows.

Eli's promise is one that wants to be on the lead.

So does Stiglitz. So there's a lot of speed in

this race and the one thing about this colony here at Oak

Lawn is they ride aggressive. They are very aggressive here.

You don't see them taking a hold with speed horses.

Do you see them letting them roll?

So with that in mind, I'm expecting a very fast pace here.

Well, Matt, we appreciate the time my friend.

I know you've been working on some podcasting and different

things as well. Where should people be looking

for you outside of the race calls?

Well, you can go on X at 3 Colts Handicap.

That's my handle. If you wanna give me a follow,

say hello, ask me what's going on.

Or you can actually go on YouTube as well on Oakland, a

YouTube page. Every week I've got an episode

out of the starting gate. We go over stakes, recaps,

upcoming stakes, all that good stuff.

We've got Megan Burgess from Fox Sports who's with, She does

America's Day at the races with the crew in New York, does a

fantastic job. She's here for the meet.

But make sure to check out out of the starting game.

We've got a lot of great content on there and content that you

don't really see anywhere else. You know how we have like 3 year

old male and three-year old Philly of the year, that kind of

thing. I think our rising stars in in

horse racing broadcasting this year.

I'll go ahead. I'll be totally biased on my

end. I think Sean Collins, I worked

with Gab Blood Horse Monday and had a breakout year and I think

Megan had an absolutely breakout year on her end as well.

Both of them doing really good. Stuff.

They're terrific and they're good people and they work really

hard. They do their own work, they do

things the right way, and that's why their content's as high

level as it is. You go.

He's mad. Dinnerman.

I'm Louie Rabo. Thanks for hanging out with us.

And yet another addition to the horse racing happy hour.

Next time we will talk to you. It'll be 2026.

Be nice to each other. Talk to you next time.