Josh Rodriguez of the On The Wrong Lead podcast joined Louie on the Kentucky Racing Spotlight.
They handicap the late pick 3 on Saturday.
Josh Rodriguez of the On The Wrong Lead podcast joined Louie on the Kentucky Racing Spotlight.
They handicap the late pick 3 on Saturday.
All right, welcome back in final segment on a January 10th
edition of the Kentucky Racing Spotlight.
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great people and those equine athletes that make our sport go
here in Kentucky. Welcoming Josh Rodriguez from
the Wrong lead on the Wrong Lead podcast.
Excuse me, joins us here. Not a stranger to the show.
I think it's your second time on the spotlight, is it not, Josh?
Yeah, I, I want to say the last time I did this though, was for
Ellis Park and they cancelled. That's.
Right, so. Did like this huge, like pick
four thing for a Sunday and it was 100 and 300° or something.
Yeah, right. I'm just a billion.
Degrees, yeah. So I mean, let's hope.
I mean, I know weather's been been crazy.
I I don't know how it is in Kentucky, but here in, in
Chicago, I mean, we're in the 40s.
I've been outside walking with just like a hoodie and, and
jeans on and, and enjoying the weather.
So you know, hopefully, you know, hopefully we avoid all
this crazy weather nonsense that we've had the last couple years.
Yeah, a rainy day on Saturday, but boy, it's called all weather
for a reason. And frankly, the weather should
stop in the early, early part of the afternoon.
Should be a fine racing day there in Florence tomorrow.
But Josh, you know, as we get into this part of the the
Turfway season, I feel like especially once we get to say
mid January, that kind of thing, when we figure out who the jocks
are that we need to watch this year and who's, you know, whose
horses seem to be translating well this time of year, we see
those payouts kind of get more normal.
But boy, they're still fantastic.
I was looking, Josh. Here are the entry numbers for
Saturday at Turfway Park 121414141412138 and 14.
It's it's nuts, you know, I good buddy, you know, so we, we do a
show on on our side for Hong Kong racing, right?
So we, we handicap Hong Kong and you know, the one thing that
they they always have is they always have those full fields.
You handicap that entire card, you're like a small field is
nine horses. You know, it that that's like,
oh man, like how did they not get a full 14 for this thing?
You know, So Turfway's the same way, right?
And and it's it's part of the reason I love I love betting
Hong Kong. I love like, I love, you know,
handicapping that same thing with Turfway, right?
And you know, you go online and you see, you know, everyone
hates chalk, right? Barry Spears hates chalk.
He's no chalk zone. But like most of the time at
Turfway, you getting chalk, you're getting like 5 to 2, you
know where Like if you're playing Gulfstream, that's like
your third choice, you know? Yeah, no, that's a really good
point actually, is that there's even value in the favorites,
right? And that's, you know, that
frankly, that's how horse racing was for most of our parents
lifetimes. Joshua's, you know, these kinds
of fields and these kinds of payouts for sure.
So it's nice to have a spotlight turfway certainly, you know, and
it's it's it is very much a juxtaposition against other
circuits around the country. But a real, you know, you heard
it from Tommy in the previous segment, a real, you know, he
talked about being a turfway and being able to be there year
round and the guys who were able to do that and what the purses
look like in Kentucky. And you know, a guy with a
reasonable operation could be the top 100 in earnings in in
the United States and, and just never leave Kentucky.
It's a cool part of our circuit here hanging out with Josh
Rodriguez. You can find him at Cherry Drake
on the socials and certainly on the wrong Lead podcast.
Cannot suggest them enough. The guys have a great time over
there, especially if you are into handicapping.
We're going to do the late pick three on Saturday there at
Turfway Park. Begins with an allowance
optional claimer, $25,000 claiming price and a $102,000
purse. Josh, I love these races.
I'm so glad that they card as many of them as they do 10
furlongs a mile and 1/4 here at Turfway Park.
I feel like they run more, man. I would love someone to do this
work for me, but not man. Cuz maybe, maybe a Saratoga gets
up to this kind of number, but 10 furlongs or longer at a
single course at a single year feel like Turfway does it as
much as anyone. This were Phillies and mares 4
and up. We'll be talking about Phillies
and mares in all three of these races.
Josh, where'd you land in Race 7?
Yeah, I thought this was AI thought this was an interesting
race, right when I first looked at this race, right, You look at
#7 Tricky Kitty for Brendan Walsh, Luan Machado rides, you
know, he's he's off to a pretty decent start, 16% here to start
the meet. And him and Brendan Walsh are
33% there in the last 60 days. So.
But I kind of look at this horse and it's like, all right, going
the longest distance that she's gone.
Never run on a synthetic. So it's just kind of AI hate
taking a real short price on a horse like that.
But the horse just to her inside the six Meg's a star now.
I I mean, if you kind of squint, you don't really, I don't know
it. It doesn't look like that much
of a different horse and you're getting 12:50 on the six on the
morning line. And what I do like about the six
megastar is this is a horse that's already got a run over
the surface. And you know, it used to be at
Turfway that you would always see these horses second time
over the surface have a huge advantage over these horses that
are shipping in for the first time.
And you know, you know that this horse at least can handle the
synthetic, right? Ran 4th basically at this at the
same condition. You know wasn't in for the tag
last time out and and it's and you know, was was pretty well
bet I mean was 6 to 1 probably your your third or fourth choice
in that race. So is is coming back here gets
Vinny Chemineau. You know who he's the he's been
doing all right. He's got five wins to start the
meet already. So I I thought I really like the
6th Meg's a star. I I also like the a horse on the
outside for the Joe from Joe Sharpsbarn.
The 11 embraced me another 10 to one shot here.
And you know, you, you just, you look at these horses and you're
just trying to find, hey, who are the horses that have run
this far right? Because you have these young 4
year old horses, right? That I mean, they're most, these
are practically 3 year olds, right?
You know, they, they just turned 4.
And I know one of the old school handicapping angles were for
turf route races going two turns.
You look for the older horses, right?
Because you get these, you get these three-year olds that run
are running against 4 year olds. And it's like the four year olds
just more filled out. They're more ready to go.
They're they're able to take the distance.
And you know, I, I kind of like this 11.
This is the six year old here has run, you know, gone a mile
and a half a mile and 1/4 has run over this track and has run
fine. And in fact, if you kind of look
at her races, her best races have been here at Turfway going
these long distances. So really, really like the 11
Embrace Me. And then another horse that's
the price that I kind of like is the 8 or Auraria.
Yep, Bill Collins here, Manuel Esquivel gets aboard here and
this horse just wired a race going this this distance last
time out. I I mean you're looking at this
field. I don't see any real big world
beaters here. So hey, I'll take a shot with
what might be the speed the speed in this race.
Maybe he's able to go wire to wire.
So I I like the 6th the best in this spot.
Meg's a star, but I'll have some of the 8 and the 11 on my
tickets. Yeah, I went 7-8 and four here.
Piggybacking on Tricky Kitty here.
I just, this feels like a Brendan Walsh move.
It simply does. So a horse.
You're right, we've only seen at at the longest at 8 1/2
furlongs, we're going the full 10 here.
But Luau Machado, I get the leading rider.
I feel good about that. Oriah, I am fascinated by
because of what you just described.
This is one that seemed to get better in the stretch while
others were fading. And this is where, you know, the
rating matter. Manny Esquivel back aboard for
this one. I just with with the ability to
get out front, stay out front. There's a gun runner.
We're going 10 furlongs. I love all of those things.
Bill Collins turning this one around from early December.
The other race that was run just after that at a mile and 1/4 on
the Philly and mare side at this level by the way, finished in
two O 2 and four. That horse won geared down in
two O 3 and three, so the horse doesn't even have to get a full
second better to win the race based on that optional claimer
before. I love a horse that figures it
out after the 7th race, horse finally puts it together, wins
that race, says oh, I can be on the front, nothing bad happens
to me. You know, sometimes horses are
real pack animals that don't want to be out front by
themselves. Josh.
So I think Oriah is really interesting here and Virgin
Colada breaks from the four. This is 1 trying synthetic for
the first time. Mike Maker, my God, this is what
he does. 16% doing that exact angle wins and allowances, wins
and routes does all the thing. He and Walter Rodriguez turning
into a formidable team there hitting at 40% right now.
Their last five runs at Turfway Park as well.
I think this one just makes sense.
Was in a high level allowance last out in A at Churchill Downs
move from the Chad Brown barn to the maker barn, I think for this
kind of thing. And so gets to try the synthetic
here. So I'll go 784 in race 7.
We move on to the feature. It is the likely exchange you
just heard from Tommy. He will have the 8 horse in here
in trial, $125,000 on the line here.
Josh a mile on the synthetic 4 and up on the Philly and Mayor
side again, boy only only. How about that?
Only eight horses in here, but I think a really interesting feel.
Yeah, I I actually really like Tom Drury's horse in the spot,
the a trial probably my top pick now.
It it it is it is a little bit tough.
You know, you look at the you look at the race last time out
and you're like, I got 63 to 1 on this horse last time.
Now you've gotten the seven to two probably likely second
choice in here. You know, I, I thought this race
was pretty, pretty square. I thought the three of the top
four choices made it made a ton of sense in here.
But I like I like the fact that this is a horse that, you know,
came in here from Presque Isle, fired a real, real nice race.
I mean, was ahead at the top of the stretch and just, you know,
kind of got run down there at the end and and and.
Her greatness? Who's one of the best?
Yeah. Synthetic mayors in the in in
North America? Frankly, yeah.
Yeah, but I mean, this is this is a horse that, you know, it
has been well spotted in these stakes races.
You know, ran in the Bourbonnet last time out was kind of, you
know, out of her element there a little bit, but came back, you
know, collected a couple of checks and, you know, finished
second here in this race. So I definitely think she's
she's in here with a with a pretty big shot.
The number 2 literate obviously for Brad Cox.
I mean, you know, finished third in that race last time out.
But I mean, Brad, everything he's sending out is just
running. I mean, he's 30%, which is gaudy
even for him to start the meet. You know, Luan Machado, you
know, sees fit to ride here. So and look at Irad Ortiz is is
probably the best jockey in in the country, you know, if not,
if not second best right in in the country.
But I'll tell you what, man, as a better, there's nothing I love
more than when he shows up at Turfway Park because I just bet
against him because he gets bet down like he's running at every
other track that he runs at all the time.
And you know, there there are people who get Turfway and there
are people who just don't. I mean, there's a reason why
guys like Walter Rodriguez, Luan Machado, Luan Machado and you
know, Gerardo Corrales, if he, you know, he, he gets healthy
and, and comes back fully. There's a reason these guys will
win at 20%. And then you look at them at
other tracks and you know that they'll, they'll usually do
fine, but they, they don't get, they don't get those turfway
numbers. So I I think the move to Luan
Machado is actually a positive move in this spot.
So so I it's hard for me to leave literate off my tickets.
And then you know the other part.
I have this horse as a beat. I thought the four love song for
for Mike Stidham. I mean this I honestly like this
horse basically won the race the that we talked that you talked
about last time, right, the one that was in two and four and
it's cutting back here. I'm AI guess I'm a little
curious why, you know, they're taking a shot here, but that
race actually does stack up pretty nicely with with with
some of these other horses have run.
It's just you know, it is the cutback.
You know, it's a ghost zapper with AP Indy on the bottom.
So this horse just wants to run all day.
So cutting back to the mile, maybe maybe a slight negative.
So kind of why this horse makes my my B side.
But I think that this horse also makes a ton of sense here.
So I'll be using those three horses, the the two, the 8 and
the four. I agree with you on the two and
the eight. I'm fascinated by Velvet Devil
on the inside. Adamus gets another guy who gets
Turfway is aboard there and Michael Tomlinson sends this one
out. I'm fascinated because this is a
horse that's never gone further than 6 1/2 furlongs, and that
was at Ellis Park back in August with a horse finished up the
track under Jaime Torres. Gets back to the six furlongs at
Churchill, wins against winners, Goes back in another allowance
at Keeneland, Wins against winners again.
Does the horse that does win and is 1, you know, at Churchill
over dry go. At Keeneland over Wet Go they
moved the horse up for one of the memorial races up there at
Mahoning Valley. Shout out to Mahoning Valley and
the horse I think is just tired after a 4 race campaign.
A little bit of time off here. I'll bring that one back in this
spot. No Lasix the last time and the
horse did run out of gas. I wonder about that in this spot
here and of course you have to wonder about the distance, but I
think if anyone's going to rate this horse properly, it's going
to be out of miskitsa. And I'd never this horse hasn't
been further back than what, like 3 1/2 lengths at the top of
the stretch in its entire career.
Usually is part of the lead. I'm just fascinated by this one.
We see the Cantharos babies running really well on the turf
as well, so maybe this is one that they're trying to figure
out. Hey, we had some success last
year. Three wins, 3 seconds and seven
runs. Horse made $280,000 last year.
First year running. That's not that's nothing to
sneeze at. Never worse than second outside
of that allowance at Ellis Park. And so I'm I'm just fascinated
by this one. It's an interesting spot and one
that I think maybe they're trying to figure out.
Like I just said, hey, does this one want to be on the turf
moving forward? Maybe back to fairgrounds or
heck, if it likes when the person's at Turfway.
No reason to leave if I if that one's going to be good on, say,
Jeff Ruby Day or something. Yeah, but, and honestly, Velvet
Devil, right that second was to a horse named Stilettos who is
just a hard, hard knocking horse and allowance type, you know, is
won all kinds of races. It's, you know, Keeneland for
for big money. So, you know, I, I think I, I
just, I, I have a lot of questions here.
And I was, I was kind of shocked at the three to 1 morning line
on here. Now, granted on on figures, this
horse absolutely fits in here and and looks pretty good.
But, you know, now you're talking about stretching this
horse out, you know, surface change.
I had way too many questions which is why I left this one
off. No, it makes sense to me that
you would not want to land on that one.
And we will go to the final race of the day.
The nightcap is race 9 there at Turfway Park on Saturday.
This is the Kentucky racing spotlight.
I'm hanging out with Josh Rodriguez.
My name is Louis Roubo Studios of ESPN 680 and 105.7.
We appreciate you hanging out with us starting your horse
racing weekend here on the spotlight.
Final race is race nine, $5000 claimer, non 3 lifers.
We're going a mile in a 16th here.
Josh, I, I love this man. Three straight routes to close
the card here and of course, all of them on the Philly and Mare
side for and up. They're running for 19/1 in this
race as well. Josh, where'd you land in this
one? A little more wide open, I
think, than some of the races we talked about.
Yeah. And, and this was one of the
races where I kind of looked at, I was I guess maybe a little a
little confused about maybe some of the prices here.
You know, it looks like the one champagne on ice is going to be
your your morning line favorite at 3:00 to 1:00.
I don't have this horse anywhere.
You know, I, there's just there's, I don't know, I, I, I
get this horse is dropping in class significantly, but you
know, the, the turf tries haven't looked good and you
know, this horse hasn't tried synthetic yet.
So you know that that's one I'm going to kind of I'll let beat
me there. I my eyes kind of went to some
outside horses. I I think the 12 Hazel Moor
Beach is probably my is my top pick in this spot And and this
is another horse that is dropping in class quite a bit,
but this is a horse with a huge class drop who's getting the
getting the the the hottest jock on the grounds right now and
Walter Rodriguez to ride here. So you know, I, I thought the
Laurel turf races the the figures look OK that they seem
to fit in here pretty well. I, I think the only, the only
thing that could be against this horse is this is definitely
going to be a horse coming from off the pace.
You got to see how, how the track's playing.
You know, we, I, I, I always feel like with Turfway,
especially when you get these warm days, sometimes speed can
just absolutely be, you know, just super dangerous and, and
sometimes these closures just don't get there.
But I mean, if anyone's going to be able to work a trip out from
that 12 post, you know, closing in it, it's going to be Walter
Rodriguez. So I I really like the 12 in
this spot. I thought two other horses that
that were interesting were the 8 Mardeen and the 10.
Those are my. Tattoo in this race, by the way,
8 and 10 are my. Top Yeah yeah I I just think
that you know I I'm looking for recent form and both these
horses you know they they got they they've they hit the board
in in the the last two races or the last race you know and both
of them look look pretty good. I mean the the 8 nearly nearly
won that race and then just got nosed out there at the end.
And then, you know the 10 was kind of kind of come in there at
the end and and kind of the same thing ended up you know just
losing by next. So they both kind of lost in the
blanket finish at this level last time out at this trip.
And so I, I just kind of think, you know, you, you have a lot of
questions here with some of these horses that either
haven't, just have no recent form or, or just haven't looked
that good or, or yeah, or just like I said, like horses like
the one who are, I'm like, I don't know.
It's just going to be way too short of a price, I think for,
for what I want. So I I I'm going to be the 8,
the 10 and the 12 here. Yeah, I'm going to include the
13 if it draws in just because it did win at this level with
non 2 lifers last time. It'll be interesting to see
because Sammy Bermudez is actually named on the 8 horse as
well. And Mardeen, I'm hoping that one
runs because I do think that's your winner should we get to the
race. And so yeah, no, an interesting
field here. So yeah, like I said, I'll land
810 and 13 in case anyone cares. My 3 in each race.
Race 7 I went 784 in the likely exchange.
Race 8 I went 1-2 and eight and in race 9810 and 1333.
And 3 in the old pick 3 means $10.50 if you want to play that
Josh. And even if it chalks out a turf
way, you're still going to make 30-40 bucks on the pick 3, so
it's not a big deal that way. What?
Who are your like top? Top in each race or top two in
each race? Yeah, in the first race I'm on
the 6th, the 8th and the 11 in, in the second race, I like the
two, the four and the 8. And in the last race I got the
8, the 10 and the 12. I'm the same as you.
I got, I got that three by three by three.
And hey, like I'm going to plead with Turfway.
Follow suit with what everybody else is doing.
Give me that late $3. Pick three.
Because with these fields, my goodness, that thing would be
paying in. I'm thinking 4 figures more
often than not. Sometimes, you know, I, I just,
I, I think it's, I think it's a, it's a real fun bet.
I know Churchill Downs just introduced it.
Obviously Del Mar does it. I think Oak Lawn's even doing it
now. So I and obviously Keeneland's
been doing the Turf 1 and stuff. Like I, I love the $3 pick
three. I love the $5 double S More of
that please. He's Josh Rodriguez that cherry
drink on the socials and of course on the wrong lead.com if
you want to go find their podcast.
Appreciate him jumping on Josh. Have a great rest of the week.
Excuse me? Have a great weekend, buddy.
I'll talk to you soon. Yeah, you too, man.
Thanks. No problem at all.
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