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All smiles on a Monday, it is Breeders' Cup Monday.

My name is Louis Riveau alongside Sean Collins, welcome

in yet another edition of Blood Horse Monday Purple shirt.

You're damn right Sean. How about the little purple

shirt talk on a Monday? It is the 27th of October, which

means you and I are about to get on planes.

God bless the federal workers right now.

My goodness. They.

Yeah, well #1 and #2 they're working through the, the

shutdown. We appreciate all the TSA folks

and all the things that'll be hanging out with us the next

couple of days and all that. But Sean, we got to go to

Superstar or Future Stars. Should be starts tomorrow,

starts tomorrow, whatever they're calling that thing now.

I guess it's, there's like 12 years or something.

So I should probably learn. Yeah, at some point.

We got a Derby and an Oaks winner out of that day last

year. We should probably learn those

things as well. Potential that we saw that

yesterday, frankly, with a couple of runners there.

We'll get into that. Keeneland closes and what I

thought racing wise was a very, very good meet and it also

spurred a lot of questions about wagering and who's in the pools

and who's doing what. So frankly started a

conversation about those things. I wonder if we won't look back

at Keeneland fall of 2025 and talk about that part of the

conversation more than anything else.

Sort of an interesting thing. But frankly, Brendan Walsh will

not want us to do that, so we're not going to do that.

Sure, how about that? Well, sure.

I don't worry, man. You've been kind of all over the

place watching races all over the Commonwealth watching.

Training all over the Commonwealth.

It was raining. On us all the time and stuff.

So I'm a little excited to get out to Del Mar.

Yes, yeah, you're getting rained on this morning on the way over

here. Definitely.

We'll be looking forward to seeing that sunshine out there

in California. Why is it when it's 60 and

raining here, it feels like it's 40?

Well, why is it like that? Because it's Kentucky and what

but but yeah, it's it was an exciting weekend all around

here. You had obviously some great

racing going on at Keeneland. You had some great racing

yesterday at Churchill Downs for the beginning of their meet.

And on top of that, we had all of our Breeders' Cup contenders

that are here in Kentucky putting in their final workouts,

gradually starting to filter out and fly on out to California

themselves. I believe our last group of them

left today. They should be on their way

right now. I know I saw a picture of Tumba

Rumba on the trailer earlier today.

I'm heading to the airport so. That horse is getting some pump

man because Brian Lynch that so he's a fun.

Horse, yeah, Tumba Rumba has always been he's he's been a

hard Trier his whole career. It's nice to see him get on a

winch streak here, finally going into the Breeders Cup.

Got to see his workout on Saturday at Churchill Downs.

He was great. You can check out my footage of

that work and also hear Brian Lynch's thoughts on

bloodhorse.com. I have a video up on there that

you can find in our latest features tab on the front page

of the website. And not just him, a whole bunch

of horses I was up at. I was up at Keeneland on

Thursday to see She's so Spicy's Breeze.

I saw a bunch of. Horses you talked about.

I read Ortiz after that. I read Ortiz and Jose Dianlo.

I saw a whole bunch of horses breeze at Churchill on Friday,

so I got videos from that and a bunch more of them breeze on

Saturday. And then I left Churchill and

got up to Keeneland in time to watch Wesley Ward's turf horses

breeze. So you can find all that

footage, all those interviews on thebloodhorse.com website start

to start figuring out. I know the post positions get

drawn later today, so start to figure out who you want to bet

on. Here's some of these thoughts

from the trainers as we get that.

Here's some interesting stories like Tumba Rumba, why he's named

Tumba Rumba and the fun connection that he had with his

workout partner and how their names kind of connected for

Brian there. So what a little fun things like

that as we head toward the first, I guess, first Saturday

in November and the last Friday, October.

It is like when May 1st is the first Saturday.

I know the O, May the 30th and the Oaks is in April.

You're like, it's not supposed to be in April.

It's like, wait, wait a second. It does throw me off when that

happens. It's rare, but it does happen.

It's interesting. I put my arm around you, Sean,

because it was about this time last year that we talked about

doing this show. Yeah.

Yeah, you, you mentioned it to me at the Breeders Cup while we

were at Delmar. That was the first time.

We, yeah, And we, and frankly, I want to be fair to the, you

know, to us and the audience, whatever else.

Like we this wasn't the show. We we had actually thought of

doing something different. Yeah, it.

Was supposed to be, I think, just like just a Derby.

Trail kind of thing. Whatever and and.

And we sat down and we talked to you.

Know to Frank and and and Scott the team at Bloodworks and

they're like what if we wanted to do more than that yeah and I

said great news turn to page 5 I already.

Wrote it down and. It was blood horse money.

Here we are. But yeah.

Thank you everybody who has one of us through these first 39

episodes. Tremendous support from the

viewing public and we really do appreciate it.

Please comment please, like please follow.

Do whatever you got to do to make sure you do that in this

episode. Like all of our episodes in

October presented by our friends at Keeneland, the world's

marketplace. The Keeneland Championship sale

is Wednesday, October 29th in the Delmar Paddock and the

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We'll talk with consignor Conrad Vanderhoff later on.

He's the Vice president of Denali and.

It's a Turfers. Man.

And then a gun runner. How about that?

Yes, All right. That sounds like a lot of great

stuff. I've had a lot of fun talking

with with consignors and certainly, you know, as part of

this episode, people are going to hear some other stories as

well. But the consigning side of this,

it's not something in my career that I'd gotten to do prior to

blood horse money very often, you know, once in a while, but

it wasn't a you know, at blood horses.

What we do best is is breeding is sales.

Is this kind of work right. And so you'll hear from from

Conrad Vanderhoff and it just makes me appreciate what people

are. You know, Sean, you're you're

Knicks guy, right. OK, you know the NBA draft once

in a while the the guy that goes in the top ten at the.

NBA this week. So get your blood horses.

It's a lot clearer. So the the, the, but no, the the

NBA draft. That's why you see a guy go 8th

and they're like, it's on potential.

Yeah, right. You're like, what, what do they

see in that guy? Right?

What do they do? And then you go to the sales.

What do they see in that horse? Right?

What do they see in this bloodline?

What do they see in this? And it's so fun to get to ask

those questions, get behind the scenes.

And we'll do that later on with Khandra Conrad Vanderhoff.

But to kick off this episode, something that we've we've

kicked around in show meetings and different things ahead of

now is the the daughters of of the the late Larry Johnson, who

was a a a Tour de force in Maryland and in in the

Mid-Atlantic and on the breeding side.

Got to start it as the as the as the ladies will tell you at

Charlestown and and just moved his way up in that circuit.

The breeder of mind frame. So Tracy Mulroy, Kelly Caraballo

are going to join us here conversation I had with Frank

angst. I think you were watching races

that time. I was doing both.

I was watching both the interview and and.

And shots. Shots producing and looking like

yeah, I mean, I mean. A little behind the scenes

there. So I'm sitting there watching

production of this and also looking up the out the window.

I'm like his chunk of gold winning.

He is. Oh wow, look how much he's

winning by. OK, back in focus.

But this ended up being a really great walk through Larry's

career, frankly through the you get inside of a horse racing

family, yes, with this interview.

And I think it's it's an underrated thing in our sport

that so many people at the highest levels of what we do, if

it's in broadcasting like us or inbreeding riders, we we see

that junior next to Dame so often with these riders as well.

It stands out as this horse racing is a family business.

It really is. And you know, for for those that

don't know, Larry passed away earlier this year, I believe in

February. He fortunately got to see Mind

Frame hit the racetrack, have that impressive first couple

starts, and then run a very game second in both the Belmont and

the Haskell Stakes and fortunately has not been able to

see Mind Frame turn in to this magnificent classic horse.

In my mind, he still won the Haskell just by leg, that's all.

But so we will go ahead and hear from his daughters.

I roll it along here on another edition of Blood Horse Monday.

Thanks for hanging out with us and starting your week with

Blood Horse Frank Angst alongside here.

My name is Louis Rebeau, of course, as part of the Blood

Horse Monday team, I'm really excited to welcome in Tracy

Mulroy and Kelly Caraballo. I got it right.

How about that from from team mind frame and of course from

Larry Johnson's family. And Frank, I know that this is a

topic that we tossed around for a while having the mind frame

connections on. So I will throw it over to you.

But Tracy and Kelly, welcome to Blood Horsepot.

Thank. You for having us.

Thank you. I I was fortunate enough to

briefly meet Kelly and Tracy at the Tobo Awards.

They accepted the award on behalf of their late father,

Larry Johnson as the Maryland Breeders of the year.

Maryland breeder of the year accepting for their father and

he is the breeder of mind frame who of course is targeting and

pre entered in the Breeders Cup Classic.

So just a tremendous accomplishment for Maryland

bread. I mean, Nick's go was a recent

horse of the year. So you know, Maryland, the the

numbers of breeding are down in Maryland, but still seeing high,

high quality horses coming out in Maryland.

So we're so fortunate to. Well, thanks for joining us

today, Tracy and Kelly. Thanks so much.

Thank you. I guess first of all, can you

just recount your story a little bit and what did it mean to

accept that award on behalf of your father?

Sure. Kelly and I grew up going to the

racetrack with our dad from a very young age.

We used to go watch workouts at Bowie and Simonium and, and we

we spent a lot of Saturday nights at Charlestown.

So we really came from the bottom of the, the, the, yeah.

And it's just always something we loved.

And our dad, we always say he was like kind of the ultimate

girl dad. He got us involved in sports and

loving sports. And we just had so much fun

always doing it with him. And, you know, in the later

years as his program sort of elevated, you know, going around

the country with him and, and watching his horses.

And it's just, it's been a remarkable, remarkable journey.

And to see him get to this level of success is just something I

don't think even he would have dreamed of.

Well. Kelly, what, what did that honor

mean to you? And and talk about talk about

your father's legacy with this going forward.

Well, as you could see from, from when we accepted the ward,

it was, it was very emotional and you know, continues to be

very emotional for us. It's all been sort of

bittersweet. But we, you know, we sort of

didn't hesitate when he died. We knew what we were going to

do. His farm is called Legacy Farm.

And he, you know, always intended to turn it over to us

at some point. And we dove in and we've been,

you know, it's been, it's been quite, quite a ride since, since

February. You know, we've had some some

big highs and some big lows and we're sort of learning that's,

you know, how this business goes.

Gotcha. So both of you are pretty

enthusiastic about keeping things going on the breeding and

racing side. Definitely.

I mean, we, like Tracy said, we, we spent a lot of time at the

racetrack with him growing up and aren't quite as involved in

his breeding operation, although he was trying to get us more

involved. And, you know, I actually went

to a couple of sales with him and was supposed to be at the

sale where mine frame was sold. But unfortunately we all got

COVID and had to to watch from home.

Yeah, yeah. So, but we were, we were

starting to sort of learn more about his breeding program.

Tracy Bullroy and Kelly Caraballo with us here on Blood

Horse Monday. Tracy, take us through the

emotions you mentioned, you know, you and Kelly mentioning,

you know, supposed to be at that sale where mind frame goes up,

that sort of thing. Describe to those of us who have

never been in that spot. You breed a horse, he goes off

to the sail and then he turns into the superstar that mind

frame is. Watching those races.

Do you find yourself rooting for him like he's one of your own

kids or something like that? Absolutely.

It was my, our dad was alive in 2024 when Mind Frame had his

first, you know, his first three races.

And we watched the Belmont at his, at his farm with him.

And I'll never forget watching him when, you know, Mind Frame

ducked out and still almost won the race.

And then so he started to see that Mind Frame was special.

And I think even as a younger horse, people would come to the

farm and say, wow, who is that? And so now I think Kelly said to

him after the sale, you know, what if he's the 1:00, what if

he's the one dad and, and you just sold them and, you know,

and our dad said, well, then I've got the money in the bank

and a million things can go wrong between now and even

getting to the races, much less being a winner.

So get to where he's gotten. It's just, it's just, it's

incredible. And and it's, as Kelly said,

it's it's been very bittersweet. And you know, he wasn't here

when he won a grade one either. It was Grade 1.

So we were fortunate enough to go to the Stephen Foster and be

there for that race. So that was an incredible

experience. That was the win.

And you're in. So yeah, it's been, it's just

been emotional and it's been, it's been a ride.

Talk us through the the aftermath of that.

Stephen Foster, I really want to know this.

You're in the winner's circle. The twin Spires are above.

You. You know, you got it.

You know that horse is going to go to the Breeders Cup.

I mean, what a moment, Kelly, I, I have to imagine, just

incredible for you, your family. Just talk us through the

emotions of that moment. Honestly, it, it felt sort of

surreal and it, and it still sort of does.

But you know, it's like you said, I mean, we cheer for mine

frame like he's like, he's still our horse.

Like, you know, we, I am just as excited to watch mine frame and

be in the winner's circle with him as as, you know, any of our

other horses. And you know, Mike Ripoli and,

you know, has been very gracious.

And, you know, we, we went sort of as their guests and I

actually had the privilege of walking mine frame into the

winner's circle at Stephen Foster, which, you know, it

just, it was truly an honor to be there.

That's tremendous. And I, I think one of the great

things about the many great things about the Breeders Cup is

it highlights the Breeders of these horses.

How how big is it for you Tracy, to to see your family's name

associated with this horse as he gets ready for Breeders' Cup?

I mean, yeah, it, it, it really, it's, it is, it's surreal.

It really, I mean, you know, our dad has a, you know, about 150

horses. That's his, the size of his

operation, you know, breeds right now he's breeding around

20 horses a year. Back then maybe it was like 15.

So that, you know, to produce a horse of this quality, it's

just, it's a remarkable story. It really is from.

And you know, the the origin of it is he went to a sale in 1976

and scraped together money with, you know, a couple people and

they bought three horses. One nobody can remember the name

of. 1 was named Beltway Traffic and was aptly named because he

would not come out of the starting gate.

And second one was Rand's chick and she bowed and never made it

to the track. But all of this family,

including Mind frame, all descends from that horse that

they paid $2500 for. So I mean, you guys know that

that just doesn't happen. It's a it's just a remarkable

thing. And, and I just made one wish is

that he was just here to see it. Course and and mind frame, of

course, without a walk of stars. And he's a son of constitution.

And you, you were telling me your your father became a big

fan of Constitution after seeing how well this this horse turned

out. Yeah, he did, He did.

And he had, you know, he was, my dad was, you know, very thorough

with in his horse stuff, very passionate.

So he, you know, he has breeding plan already.

And then mine frame ran his first couple races and he said I

went in and re scrambled everything so that I could get

walk of stars back to Constitution.

So he did. And we have that baby was born

this year, a Philly. She's by all we've seen her.

She's gorgeous, She's big, she's a nice, she's a nice Philly.

That's terrific. And then on the so while while

you sold mine frame you stayed in on future is now.

What has it been like to campaign that horse this year,

Kelly? That it's been truly

unbelievable. We went to, you know, her, her

first race of the year at Keeneland in in April, you know,

just a few, just a few months after our dad died.

And when she crossed the finish line and first of all, we

weren't even sure that she won. But that mean the tears were

just flowing. And you know, she is, she is

truly a a remarkable horse. And, you know, she, she shows up

every single time and it's just, it just it's been so fun.

And, you know, we've, we've, we spent the summer sort of

following futures now around to her races.

And we did it as a family. And you know, my dad wasn't

there, but, you know, I think we all felt him there with us.

Yeah, Tracy, you, you look at at those past performances for

futures now and it's a whole lot of ones, couple twos and threes

sprinkled in, but about as consistent as they come.

Yeah, one of my friends referred to her as a winning machine, and

she really is. Unfortunately, she was scratched

out of the the the Franklin, Yeah, the Franklin.

And she won last. Year, right?

Which she won. Yeah, it would have been a big

favorite this year, but. She would have been, yes.

So, you know, she's 5 turning 6. So you know, her next career is

a broodmare. And I think we're just trying to

figure out when the right time is.

But we we may be there. Yeah, that's the old The Racing

career's over, which we're saddened about, especially as

fans. But for you guys, you get to

choose the upcoming sire for for a terrific Philly, so that'll be

exciting too. Yeah, and she's such a, in

addition to being incredibly fast and consistent, she has

just an incredible personality. She's so sweet.

And she's just, she's a great, she's a great, great horse.

Tracy is. That the brand a breeder or

would you look look at selling her or where you or have you

decided yet? We haven't decided yet.

I think we're exploring all of that.

Yeah. Just we, you know, our original

thing was we take it race by race, right?

So we were not going to make any decisions until after the

Franklin and then that, you know, unfortunately happened.

So now we're sort of recalibrating and figuring out

what we're going to do. You know, Tracy and Kelly, you

know, one of the the the legacy points of Larry's career is his

influence on the state bread program there in Maryland, but

also on the Virginia certification program as well.

A real first attempt at it this year, right, with the expanded

running at Colonial, some of the close, you know, less race days

in the summertime, at least there in Maryland.

Do you think your dad would have been happy with with how things

shake shook out this year? Because I I think he would have.

Been yes, absolutely. I think, you know, I think it

probably is just where he would want it to be.

He worked hard for it to, to get, you know, to get to this

place. And, you know, everybody that we

see along the way, you know, says your dad is responsible for

where this program is. He worked hard to do it.

He's was extremely passionate about it.

You know, he might have made a few enemies along the way and

went in Maryland and Virginia, but he, he, he was very

passionate and always did what he thought was right and what he

believed in. And I think he would have been

thrilled. Yeah, I think it's a terrific

idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I, I think it's a terrific idea that can benefit both racing

with some larger fields and and the breeding programs in both

states really. So I I would love to see more

states look at their options along those lines.

Oh, it's exactly, yeah. And it has resulted in the

Virginia crop going increasing. So I don't know the numbers, but

I do know that it the crops have increased.

Yeah, some regional cooperation is very much needed, I think.

So it's great to see that. Yeah, it's really, really fun to

see. And Tracy, frankly, you've

already indicated in this interview you all are going to

carry on the breeding tradition there.

And frankly, it's very cool. I think that you get to do that

and you have confidence in it because of because of Larry

Franklin. Yeah, I mean, he, I mean, he

left us with incredible horses. Those people don't get to start

here. So it's not only incredible

horses, which he has, you know, elevated like, you know, if you

look at the stallions he's read to in the last few years, you

can really see where he was going.

So yeah, it's an honor. And he also left us with an

amazing team of people. I mean, we really, we we, we got

thrown into this overnight and, you know, in the midst of grief

and, and all of that. And we just could not be more

supported in the industry in general.

I mean, the number of people that come up to us and say, you

know, we loved your dad and whatever we can do to help you.

And then just the people that my dad worked with that we continue

to work with. So we are really, really

blessed. Kelly and Tracy, thanks so much

for sharing your story Stories. Was there anything else you

wanted to add or I? I think it's tremendous story.

Well, does he win the Classic? I mean, that's obviously.

The last, that is. Tracy, come on, let's fair odds

on our guy mind frame here. What are we doing?

We'll be cheering for him. You know, he had that terrible,

you know, trip experience in the, you know, in his last race

in the Jockey Gold Club. And, you know, that was

unfortunate, but we're hoping he wins and we'll be cheering for

him. We thought about actually going

and my dad, you know, my dad actually went to the Breeders

Cup every single year. And you know, it's, it's just,

it's really sad that he's going to have a horse run in the

Classic and he's not there to see it.

An incredible tribute to his memory though it.

Really. Is he?

Is frankly the best tribute he could probably have is exactly

that. Well, Tracy Kelly, we appreciate

you jumping on the program so, so much.

All the best on Saturday. Hopefully my frame gives you

something to jump off the couch about on Saturday and be well.

And best of luck running a breeding operation.

My goodness. You say that as if you're like,

good. Luck, I don't know how I would

do it. I'll tell you that.

Thank you for joining us here on Blood Horse.

All the best to you. Thank you so much.

Thanks so much. Thanks everyone.

Bye bye. Well, thank you to Tracy and

Kelly for joining us here on the program.

That was a fun interview to do, Sean.

Again, like I said before the interview, that family aspect of

horse racing, it's not going anywhere.

You see it all over the sport. You see those last names you'll

hear later on in the show from, from the Denali folks and you

hear the the last name Clema, for example.

And, you know, we think of, you know, the grandiose sorts of

names we see, you know, Steve Asmussen's kids riding for him,

that kind of stuff. It certainly is a family

business. But this side of it, the side

that we don't, you know it, we get to see.

But the average person never gets to see, right?

If you go to the track, you don't know anything about the

breeding farms or anything like that.

You're not, you know, at those places necessarily to get to

pull back that curtain a little bit and you see how much it gets

into your blood when it's what your family does exactly right

and and just how much this is it.

Just once you get once you get into horse racing, it's tough to

kick. It really is.

And you got that from from both of those ladies.

I really appreciate them jumping.

On yeah, when you look at it too from this perspective, you know,

mind frame is a horse that, you know, Larry planned all the

breedings, the breeding of. You know, he was there when the

horse was raised. He was there when the horse's

racing career started. So it is it is that legacy kind

of aspect of it. You know, as you know, even

though Larry has passed away earlier this year, mind frame

still carrying that legacy on to racing's biggest stage, the

Breeders Cup. And so, you know, he'll have the

opportunity to win the Breeders Cup Classic this weekend.

And, you know, I'm sure they're going to be watching.

They're going to be cheering him on.

And I hope they have a great experience, win or lose.

I hope it's really an opportunity for them to just

kind of celebrate all the work that their father put into this

industry. He also might have won the race

of the year until the Classic in the Churchill Downs.

Yeah, might have been, might have been the race here.

We might look back at at 2025 and say that's what that was.

And by the way, I wanted to I wanted to close that that

segment by saying the, the work that Larry did for the Virginia

certification program for the Breeders in Maryland cannot be

understated. It cannot be understated how

much work he did for Mid-Atlantic Racing, a product

that I love. And so I just getting to

interview them and get to talk about that was was really

spectacular. But we also talked with David

Jennings. We did.

It was with Racing Post. For that, for those that don't

know, obviously we have a great relationship with the racing

posts. They are a European based

publication up there in England and Ireland.

And so if you've ever read a recap of one of the races over

in Europe on the Blood Horse website, it's actually from

racing posts. So we have a nice little

arrangement there where we can trade back and forth our, you

know, our race coverage to keep you up to date on everything you

need to know that's happening around the world.

And so we have a great relationship with Racing Post

David Jennings is a writer for them.

He was able to hop on with us. It was a little update.

Now, just some some things to know on some of these European

horses that are coming over. We obviously had Kate Hunter on

the show a few weeks ago in order to talk about the Japanese

horses. Give us an idea of what to

expect from them. Now we're going to get the

European horses as well. So you have your best chance to

know what to expect from these horses that maybe you don't know

going into the Breeders Cup. But it's great to have David on

here. I myself will be appearing on

one of the Racing Post shows to talk about the American horses

later on this week. I believe we're filming that

Wednesday and it'll be up on Thursday.

So if you want to hear our perspective and that you.

Have more Shawn as well. Life is really what that.

Is if you need more more of me. More Shawn Space.

Yes, you need more of me. Definitely go check that out as

well that obviously we'll dive a lot more into the European

horses on that show as well since that's what that's the the

focus of their show and I'll be kind of pitching in some of our

American hopes. So definitely check that out.

Fantastic. All right, we'll check all of

that out, but here is David, David Jennings from Racing Post.

All right, it's British Cup time of year on Blood Horse Monday

and everywhere else, frankly, including in the British Isles.

His name is David Jennings, joins us from Racing Post.

So glad to have him in. Of course, this time of year,

David, we are interested in those shippers from the islands,

but also, you know, once a while we got to talk French racing and

German racing, those kinds of things.

How are you this morning? Very good.

Yeah, looking forward to next week.

My flight is Monday morning, so I get in Monday night and first

time there last year and absolutely loved it.

Didn't want to leave the place so looking forward to coming

back. Yeah, Del Mar does that to

everyone regardless of origin of air travel for sure.

So we're happy to have you back this coming year in Southern

California. Wanted to get your thoughts on

some of these shippers that will be coming over, including on

Friday on juvenile day. Last year we got to watch a

superstar in Lake Victoria bring her talents over to Southern

California and absolutely dominate her race.

This year. I wanted to ask you about

precise who's going to land in a similar spot on that Friday next

week or this week. Excuse me, by the time this

angles Irish bred daughter of Star Spangled Banner of course

that Aussie line there is she quite at a Lake Victoria level

coming into this race. Well, this is the thing Aidan

O'Brien, who's who's prone to a bit of hyperbole, I suppose, has

said after precise one the Phillies mile that she could

even be better than minding them minding was a spectacular

Philly, like absolutely as good as you can get.

And so he was going beyond Lake Victoria and even going to some

of the legends in Bally Doyle. So that was an extraordinary

statement to make after her success in the Phillies mile.

But she has just kept on improving all season.

She went into the Migler at Irish Champions Festival at the

Cora as second or third string behind like composing and other

fillies who had done more than her.

But she she proved her her Goodwood win was no fluke and

she she won easily there. But she stepped up another gear

at Newmarket. She really travelled through the

race. She the race won very early as

well and Christophe Sumion was waxing lyrical about her after

the race. It seems to be that she's, we've

seen this over the years, these Phillies, especially juvenile

Phillies from the Aiden O'Brien yard.

He runs them so much, but they just thrive on racing.

And you often see, you know, over here, our classics, you'd

often see horses maybe favorite after one or two, maybe a Derby

horse who might be favored after one, possibly two runs.

These Phillies from Paddy, they just run all the time and

precise seems to be getting better.

I'd say she's every bit as good as Lake Victoria and I'd say

Aiden is going over with possibly his strongest team that

I can remember, as in Shaw prices.

If you think of of mini Hawk of Precise of Gustad and he's going

over with proper rock solid favourites this year.

And as you know, he's chasing this world record of of 29 Group

One wins and he has the previous record, so he's against himself.

And he also is tied for the record for most Breeders' Cup

wins here as well. Does that, is that a

accomplishment that means anything to him as he talked

about wanting to, you know, try to take that number one spot to

himself, break that tie with you and Lucas?

Do you know what, I interview Aiden a couple of times a year

and known quite well and I did a big interview with him for the

Racing Post a couple of weeks ago.

And whenever you mention like the world record or breaking

records or anything like that, he always says, oh, that's no,

never even think about that. I just go from race to race.

But you can guarantee he's thinking about it.

You're talking about somebody here who is extremely

competitive, who is 1 of of Ireland's greatest sportsman of

all time and he's obviously got, he's a proper gentleman who's

got a real soft side, but he's a winner.

He wants to go down in history as the greatest Irish trainer of

all time and at the moment he's bang on course for.

He's getting very close. David Jennings with us from

Racing Post, another one he'll have in Friday on one of two

races is true love. Is he better sprinting or going

a mile do you think? True Love is a funny type of

individual in that she she basically her campaign has been

a little bit stalled in that she was supposed to run in France

and herself and Gestad got got basically mixed up because

Gestad missed a piece of work and then had to go to a race in

France, whereas True Love had to run in the Phoenix Stakes in

Ireland. Gestad was supposed to go to

Phoenix Stakes and True Love was supposed to go to the morning in

France. So they had to overlap just to

facilitate Gestad and she was beaten then in the in the

Phoenix stakes put them. She's got our career back on

track. She was really good in the

Shively Park and I thought she showed a good attitude that day.

I thought she was just all speed, but it was in the IT was

in the melting pot kind of, you know, 100 yards from the line

there and she really stuck her neck out.

And she's another one like she's she's got loads of ability,

she's got loads of pace. I think Delmar will suit her

because you need that real early pace.

You need to be in your comfort zone in Delmar because you need

to be comfortable over those sort of trips around those tight

turns. And she's one that's really

going to I'd say she's going to relish Delmar.

Yeah, 5 furlongs. Got to get moving quickly there

at Del Bar, David Jennings with us moving to Saturday, David.

Tons of runners of course in the older horses there, but in Race

5 in the Turf Sprint itself, Arizona Blaze really come into

his own as a three-year old. Are his recent results 2 of the

last three in very good company and getting the wins in those,

is that indicative of what you expect from him in the Breeders

Cup? Yeah, definitely has a chance.

And he surprised me. I didn't think he was as good as

he was. I was kind of keen to take him

on a couple of times this season and it's cost me, it certainly

cost my wallet as well. Last time I, I didn't really

fancy him and he he, he's got, he's got faster.

And I often think with sprinters, the more they race,

the more experience they get, the faster they get, the older

they get, the faster they get. And sprinting is not easy, you

know, especially not the vision where the open division, where

you're from, the the get go. You need to be quick and

destroyed. You need to travel through the

early part of the race and then you need to have a little bit of

stamina in reserve for that kind of final 200 yards.

So an Arizona blaze just seems to be putting it all together.

He's got that quick trap and ability to get himself out in

front and and certainly towards the front of the of the field.

And yeah, they've done a great job with him.

The, the ammo operation in Ireland with Robson Aguiar and

Adrian Murray, like they're really going places.

And I know the people in the know think Robson Aguar, who

would be one of the main men with ammo in Ireland.

They think the absolute world of him.

And yeah, Arizona Blaze, he ticks so many boxes.

It's just hard to see how he won't be involved and I think he

will. And he definitely ran well when

he was at Del Mar last year, finishing second in the Breeders

Cup Juvenile Turf Sprint. The Turf Sprint's kind of kind

of the one outlier race, it seems like for the turf races

for the Europeans, there has not been a lot of European winners

in that race. Is there a reason to that?

Is this we saw Star Lust end up winning it last year?

Is this may be the beginning of Europe starting to pick off this

race a little bit more consistently?

Yeah, well, there's a theory over here that our sprinters are

useless. Ireland and England all through

the season, Ascot, all the big sprints have been won by massive

prices and just on Champions Day at Ascot we've seen a 200

winner. Like it's just extraordinary

what's been happening. And the reason being that

everybody thinks they have a chance, so they're throwing

their hand into the pot like they're thinking, you know what,

I have a two and a seven off suit, but I might win the pot

anyway. And the sprinters over here,

we're lacking a real, real star since probably since Batash.

Batash was probably the best sprinter that we had.

And I'd say we probably haven't seen a Batash since Batash.

Obviously there have been a good few runners at the Breeders Cup,

but I just think we're lacking that kind of star quality.

So that's the reason you've had all these upsets in the sprints.

But Arizona Blaze is just a rock solid sprinter.

He's he's not an absolute superstar, but he's going to go

close. David Jennings with us from the

Racing Post. This is Blood Horse Monday.

I'm Lira Beauchamp Collins hanging out with you.

Make sure to catch our coverage on Blood Horse at Breeders' Cup

later in the week. Minnie Hawk is going to make the

trip after a very, very good second in the Arc.

What do we make of her three-year old Philly?

Is she ready for this kind of company?

Can she go nose to nose of the horse like Rebels Romance for

example if they decide to keep her in the turf there?

Oh, she can. She can beat him.

Yeah, she can. She's I think with Mini Hawk, if

you, if you watch the Arc, I'm sure you've seen it like the two

of them there is and Mini Hawk, they they pulled clear.

It's very hard in a race like the Arc, which is our European

Championship. And it is widely regarded as the

best race in Europe. And for two horses to pull as

far clear and what looked a really open race beforehand.

And the forum has actually been franked already from the ARC

because Kalpana who was well beaten one on Champions Day at

Ascot last week and both it up as well.

So it looked at it looked at quite a strong arc beforehand.

Two horses pulled clear. One of them was a three-year old

filly. And when I I spoke about

interviewing Aidan O'Brien earlier on the show, and when I

did interview him, it was all talk about Mini Hawk for the

arc. I was suggesting him, you know,

she's your #1 arc. Every time I mentioned the arc,

he kept coming back with the Breeders Cup as if to suggest,

yeah, obviously she's going to the arc and we think she's got a

great chance and we want to win it because Aiden has only won

two Arcs, which is a little bit of an anomaly given his.

Dominance only. Yeah, but just his dominance,

you see he he's got the record for all these races in Ireland,

all these races in England. He's the the most dominant

trainer in the last two or three decades.

And Tony went to Arcs, I think in the back of his he's kind of

going, God, I'd like to win a few more of them.

And so I think with Mini Hawk, I think she's I think she's a cut

above Rebels romance. I know Rebels Romance is the

globetrotting superstar that he is brilliant in the race last

year got first run and everything.

Obviously it was a tale of woe for some of them in behind Emily

Upjohn just didn't get a run at all and a few others.

But Rebels Romance is your rock solid globetrotting superstar.

Whereas Mini Hawk, I think, is the up and coming potential to

get past that level that Rebels Romance has and she's just a

really smart Philly that's getting better that hasn't had

too hard of a campaign. She hasn't gone to the well too

often. The arc obviously was a was a

big race and it was a, you know, big bruise in battle with their

ease. But she's obviously benched out

of it well. And I'd say going over here,

Aiden has taken themselves. Are you potentially 2 good

things, Mini Hawk and Precise? Goliath is another horse in that

race that we, we haven't really seen him here in the United

States, but we all know him just because his owner, Jon Stewart,

Resolute Racing, you know, he's very active here in the United

States, obviously. And so we hear about Goliath, we

see all the updates on him. But from your perspective out

there in Europe, how does he actually fit into this kind of

quality of the field? Look, he's a very good horse.

I suppose the fact that he's gelders kind of stops him from

running the arc and races like that.

And he's a very, very good horse and he won the King George in

Ascot the season before last and he's a real strong traveller.

I just worry a little bit about his racing form.

He's beaten by First Look in a Group 3 at Deauville.

That form hasn't worked out that well and was beat Dubai Honor in

that Group One at Baden Baden in Germany last time and and Dubai

Honor was beaten last time as well.

And I just worry whether that that that form is good enough

for a race like this. He is a strong traveler when

when he brings his a game, he's a joy to watch.

Like when the way he travelled through the King George at Ascot

was was a sight for sore eyes. But I just, I just wonder, is he

good enough? In the Turf Mile, which they

just call the Mile, but I call the Turf Mile, David, so that I

can keep them separate in my own head.

So apologies to the blood folks out there.

Yeah, there you are. Couple of very interesting

runners coming over. Notable Speech ran in the

Woodbine Mile and frankly, that's been a good predictor of

success at the Breeders Cup with the usual format on the outer

Turf course there. They ran it on the inside, so it

was two turns this year. It really sets up differently as

far as a predictor. Notable Speech and Salon will be

in this race as well. Salon's coming out of preeta,

Mullah at law, Shaw. That's a big boy race at a mile

for sure. Of those two, are they both

major contenders as one a step above the other for you?

Oh, I'd have notable speech. Yeah.

I'd have notable speech every day of the week.

Just the way he travels, has the experience of running the race.

And it just seems to me like he has been a little bit

disappointing this season. But he still held his form

together quite well. And it just seems to me that

that everything has kind of been geared towards the latter stage

to the season with him. And he has that that that

instant acceleration. And that's really what I learned

from last from last year at Delmar.

You need on that turn when they kick, you need to go.

You don't need to be asked twice.

You need to go when you're asked first time.

And I think notable speech does have that instant turn from like

second gear to 5th gear like that.

He's pacey and I think he's probably the big dolphin hope,

I'd say. I know Rebels Romance obviously

has been there. He's done it.

He has a million T-shirts. But I think a notable speech is

probably Charlie Applesby's best chance of a winner.

Are there any horses that are kind of catching your eye that

might be flying under the radar here?

Any of these horses that could really step up on this stage and

maybe pull one of these upsets. Yeah, like it's a funny one.

This year I think there was probably a more wide variety of

European horses fancied last year.

If you remember, different trainers were represented.

Obviously Jared Lyons won, won, won the juvenile Sprint.

You had, you know, different trainers represented.

It seems from our point of view to be very much the Aiden show

this year. It seems to be Aiden is the one

that that basically has all the fancied horses be a Gestad

precise. The ones we've spoken about Mini

Hawk as well. So it looks as though they're

the ones like you've got the likes of.

There's two contenders there in the Turf, Amalok for Rave

Beckett, an Ethical Diamond for Willie Mullins and Willie

Mullins for us here in Ireland. Aiden O'Brien and Willie Mullins

are the two absolutely superpowers.

You have Aiden O'Brien on the flat.

Willie Mullins is probably the greatest jumps trainer we're

ever going to see in our lifetime or any lifetime and

he's bringing over Ethical Diamond to who won the E bar at

York for the Turf. So it's an audacious attempt by

Willie. I don't think he's good enough

to beat Mini Hawk, but wouldn't be surprised if he ran well.

And you know, he's a talented horse who's got plenty of pace

and he's a hurdler and he could rock on to maybe Cheltenham or

something later on in in in the season.

But wouldn't be surprised to see him actually out running his

odds ethical diamond because he'll he'll have no problem

coping with the quick ground. So he he's quite interesting and

there's a couple of others in in the Breeders Cup Cup Turf

Sprint, a horse called She's Quality that's trained by Jack

Davison over here. He's a young trainer going

places fast. She's quality has been hitting

every crossbargo and she just can't hit the back of the net.

But she's really quick. She's got loads of experience

built up and I don't think there's that much between

Arizona Blaze and She's Quality. And if there is no real kind of

star home sprinter in that Turf Sprint, I think She's Quality is

the one I'll be interested in. She's a bit maybe a 12 to one

shot or so over here and she might be bigger over over there

on the day, but I think she's a big, big player.

Wouldn't surprise me if she was good enough, maybe to give Jack

Davidson by far the biggest win of his career.

All right, enough of this green stuff.

We'll get you out of here with this.

Who you got in the classic? Yeah, let's end on a high.

I, I, I, I just can't see past sovereignty.

But what do you guys think? Like you, obviously it's going

to be a fascinating race. I think fierceness is

potentially overpriced currently.

Obviously you've got I don't fancy forever young.

I think Sierra Leone, obviously it's very hard to rule out, but

I just think when it comes to pure unadulterated class, I

think sovereignty has got it all.

I think, I think a lot will have to go wrong, not for sovereignty

to win. What do you guys think?

I'm of the same opinion. I mean, I definitely, I

definitely, I hold fierceness in pretty high regard.

I Louie knows I hold journalism in very high regard as well

going into this. But sovereignty, everything that

I've seen from him this year, he's going to be tough to beat

for sure. I'll tell you the one that I I

cannot figure out. I don't know how good Forever

Young is right now. I simply don't know.

And that's the kind of horse that can absolutely upset the

apple cart whenever we talk about four or five horses.

And then there's another one in the Breeders Cup Classic, for

some reason we get that horse from time to time.

But I do think Sierra Leone has a great shot to go back-to-back

in this spot. I think the speed up front is

going to give him a target to run at David and I think he's

got a legitimate shot to go back-to-back.

Yeah, obviously. But it also sets up for

sovereignty because they're they run the same style, frankly.

Yeah, obviously this time last year was all about City of Troy.

We came over, graved hopes and it was all about City of Troy.

And then after about 17 yards, it was all over.

Did he, was it 17 or was it like 15?

I mean, it's OK. All right, whatever.

All right. He's David Jennings.

He's with resting post. We'll catch up with you in

Delmar. Up right now.

Safe tracks. Cheers boys all.

Right, thanks to David Jennings joining us here on Blood FORCE

Monday. So perspective there that that

Friday has turned into such a get you get get acquainted with

those international horses thing.

All of us saw Mini Hawk in the in the ark and so we saw that

Saturday influence. Thrilled she's coming by the

way. I can't figure that's fantastic.

But talking about precise on Friday and those kinds of

things. A lot of buzz around that horse.

Yeah. Sounds like it, friend, from

what David was saying there. Obviously Aiden O'Brien has a

lot of faith in this horse. Those are some pretty, pretty

big comparisons, you know, kind of talking about already kind of

mentioning, minding, you know, in that in that scenario.

And so now I'm. I didn't really know her as well

coming into this week. After we had that conversation,

I went back and I looked at some more of her races now.

Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, I'm excited to see what we might, what we might see this

weekend and obviously what she could potentially do going

forward past this weekend when we start looking towards some of

these classic races out there in Europe in the springtime.

And so not, not a little, little extra excited now for the

juvenile Phillies tariff is going to be my race to cover

while I'm out there. So I'm, I'm very much looking

forward to that. We'll see David out there as

well as part of his coverage of the Breeders Cup.

Well, we'll close the show here. A little Keeneland talk, a

little sales talk with with Conrad Vanderow from Denali.

He's the vice president there. Buku amongst their offerings

here. An interesting conversation

about the state of the market as well to open this interview.

So I know we've, we've, we've been talking with consigners and

what I like about this, Sean, is we're getting a consistent

message, which is now is a good time to be in the game.

Now is a good time for sales sales.

But because of some of the legislative changes and

different things that have happened, you can also on the

buying side, there are incentives as well, right, with

depreciation, different things. And so interesting to hear him

talk about this. Babuku, the star of this

interview here is Conrad. He is from Denote please to

welcome in Vice President there at Denali, Conrad Vanderhoff to

the program here as we continue our look at the Keeneland sale

that is coming up. That'll start on Tuesday,

November 4th at the Keeneland property.

But a reminder that Keeneland is the world's marketplace and the

championship sale is Wednesday, October 29th in the Delmar

paddock. The Keeneland November breeding

stock sale begins Tuesday, November 4th and you can learn

more at keeneland.com. We're going to talk about four

different hips with Conrad here with Conrad.

Good afternoon. Thanks for joining us.

Good afternoon guys and I appreciate you having me on.

Awesome. Well, just take us through as

we're getting, getting close to the sale here.

We're a week away from pretty much from that starting.

What's the excitement level at Denali?

What is this final week week like of preparations heading

into a big sale like this? Excitement is, is through the

roof here now. We, we can't wait.

We're excited for, for the Breeders Cup this weekend and,

and then rolling straight into the Keeneland November sale.

It's, you know, it's been an excellent yearling sales cycle

and we think that that momentum is just going to carry into the

November sales. And you know, we're looking

forward to the Keeneland championship sales on the eve of

the Breeders Cup. Then, you know, I think it's a

it's a great time to be to be selling horses, be that

yearlings, be that mares. And you know, I think when there

is a strong yearling market, breeders go back and reinvest

some of those, you know, those profits, those those those good

results into into the into the bloodstock market, whether that

be with a nice wean link to resell as a yearling or a nice

mare to to add to their broodmare portfolio.

And then obviously with Keeneland being the world

marketplace and you know there's a large international

participation be that from Japan, be that from Europe, the

Middle East and I think we're going to we're going to see a

large international participation as there has been

in the yearling market in November as well.

Yeah. You mentioned that yearling

market, we saw really record success in that yearling market

throughout, throughout the fall here so far.

And just you kind of touched on it a little bit there, but just

how much value is that? You know, some of these mayors

are in full to some of these top stallions, obviously some of

these ones that are coming off the racetrack.

All the excitement that's around the yearling sale can really

translate into I want to make sure that I get myself a good

mayor then have a yearling in the future.

Just touch a little a little more on that.

Well, it's just, you know, as I said, that momentum just carries

carries on. So you know, when you have a

stallion that that kind of has that breakout success in the

yearling market or you know, is having just a tremendous year on

the racetrack, you know, and you have a mayor that's in in fold

of that stallion or you're lucky enough to be able to ride that,

you know, that rising tide, then you're you know, you get to

capitalize on capitalize on that.

For instance, you know, we're we're selling, selling.

Buku is HIP 169 and she's carrying her first bowl to none

other than sire of the moment and and not this time, who I was

at Keeneland for for the closing day on Saturday.

And he had the top 4 finishers and in the in one of the

greatest stakes. And it it's just, it's

incredible what he's doing. And you know, the year that he's

having is, is really just something special.

And to have a mare like Buku, who is, you know, a multiple

grade stakes winner in her own right.

She was a grade grade 2 winner at 2 at Keeneland in the in the

Jessamine, a Grade 2 winner at 3 at Keeneland and the

Appalachian. But she's also unfolded not this

time, which is going to be a highly desirable covering.

So we're we're very excited to to showcase and offer her at

Keeneland November and we really think that she's the complete

package pedigree, physical. She's the home bred for the

Rigney Racing Richard Rigney's program.

We offered her at Keeneland September and and she was, she

was bought back and and retained and she's a daughter of Justify

out of a Galileo mare, out of a Giant's Causeway mare from the

family of a Dagly Doro. So I mean, what's what's not to

like? You know, it's, it's a truly

international pedigree. And you know, there's there's

tons of blue sky ahead of her. And, you know, I think she's

going to have mass appeal, whether that be to an

international audience, whether that be to a domestic audience.

And I think one of the most amazing things about what we're

seeing with Not This time is just the incredible versatility

that he's throwing the results that he's getting, you know,

dirt, her short, long, it doesn't matter.

They they seem to be winning on it.

And you know, Buku is is is a special offering and we're we're

excited to to offer a Keema November.

I think you sold me there. I think, I think this kids.

Going to end up well, I'm moving to Ireland and I'm going to

bring Buku with me. That's what I'm hearing again.

Well, you mentioned, you mentioned Buku there and you

know being, being from the, the Rigney's program, I know you

guys have a strong relate relationship with Richard Rigney

and you know Phil Bauer's trainer and all that.

Just talk a little bit about your guys's relationship over

the years. We're very fortunate that we do

have a have a, a close relationship with, with Richard

Rigney and and Phil Bauer and Denali is home to all of the the

Rigney racing brood mares. And you know, this is a special,

special moment in the, in the genesis of the, of the Rigney

racing program offering this, this mare who you know, was a

was a home bred and, and multiple grade sticks winner for

for Richard. And you know, some people might

ask, well, you know, why is he selling a mare like this?

And you know, the answer is we still have the mare flowering

Peach Buku is incredibly valuable.

And you know, I think if you ask Richard really what his goal is,

is, you know, maybe it's a little bit more wants to be a

little bit more dirt oriented. And but at the end of the day,

you know, this is a mare that, you know, owes us nothing.

And you know, she's, she's just such a, such a valuable offering

and such a unique offering that you know, it's the right time to

to bring her to the marketplace. That Rigney Bauer combination

and used to be absolute just include in allowances.

Now it's an absolute included in greatest stakes is developed

over the years and really evolved.

And Connor and Vanderhoff with us from Denali.

Appreciate him jumping on blood horse funding with Sean Collins.

I'm Louis Rebel, thanks for hanging out with us.

Start your Breeders' Cup week right here on Blood Horse

Monday. Some other offerings in here.

Breath away. Great timing goes ahead.

It's great too smartly. Dance smartly.

Excuse me, up there at Woodbine over a mile and a 60.

Tell us a little bit about her and she'll be hip #47.

Yeah, the timing, as you said couldn't be perfect.

She puts together one of her career best performances in the

grade two dance smartly earlier in the in the month on October

4th, you know, had to had to work out just an incredible

trip. The jockey wrote an unbelievable

race and ran a career high number, ran ran a 92 buyer in

that race and was just super impressive, very game.

And but she's she's been really stringing together some

impressive performances. Miguel Clement's done a really

good job with her this year. I think one thing I that I did

really interesting about breath away is she's run a career top

three straight 10 Ragazzens her last three races.

So she's in the form of her life.

She's running unbelievably well. She's entered a run in the Grade

3 Goldacova on Breeders' Cup Saturday undercard, a race that

her full sister simply breathless actually placed in.

So we're hoping that breath away is going to go on go there on

Breeders' Cup Saturday and and do one better and and show up

the her full sister. So you know, breath away is a is

a Philly that is really in the prime of her her racing career

and gives gives her future owner options.

She's she's sound, she's running unbelievably, really well and I

think she's got some racing upside as well as obviously, you

know, she's proven to have some great brew there credentials as

well. When you have a mayor like her

who is, you know, so running so well actively, when the buyers

are coming by the barns and they're stopping and you're

talking to them, you know, we all see, you know, obviously

this is the breeding stock sale, but we all see where these mares

are being advertised as broodmare or racing prospects.

How do you balance as you're pitching to, you know, a

potential buyer, the fact that she could still be racing, but

then also the fact that she could be retired as a broodmare

right now as well. How do you kind of do you have

to play off of what each individual buyer is looking for?

Are you pitching both to everyone?

What, what's kind of your take on that?

It's really what, what is the buyer looking for?

You know, there's some people where you know, they'd have

interest in, in running or once or twice you may be targeting,

targeting the, the Gulfstream meet and running in one of the

turf races and you know, the Pegasus turf or something like

that. And there's going to be some

others that you know, we're going to say, you know what?

She's done enough. She won her grade 2 and you

know, it's time for her second career.

But you know, if a Philly or in her mare like breath away gives

you options, She's she's five years old.

You know, if she if she was six years old, then maybe you

wouldn't you wouldn't think about running her again or, you

know, keeping her in training. But her form is, you know, is

it, it, is it, you know, it shows that she's, she's running

incredibly well. She's, you know, she's being

very competitive at a very high level.

And so then you just leave it up to the buyer if, you know, they

get to decide. That's the beauty of of the

auction process, right? Somebody buys her and it's their

horse down. So they get to do what they want

with it. Conor I bend her off with us VP

their ad to Nolley. Another hip for y'all is 1 a 17

lot Mehana. The French bread here comes out

of the wire stakes, but recently one at Saratoga integrate to in

the Glen Falls. She's you know, she's getting up

there. She's a 2019.

Do you see her being retired at this point?

I do I, I think, you know, she's, she's sound.

She's, she's, she, you know, she could keep, keep going and, but

I, I would say that in all likelihood, she's probably found

for her next her next career. But I mean, what a racehorse

she's been. And you know, like a fine wine

has just gotten gotten better with age.

What I love about her, she's 9 times winner.

I mean, that's, that's a pretty impressive accomplishment.

She's a graded winner or placed on 7 different occasions.

Grade one placed in her in her native France.

Her win in the grade 2 Glens Falls this year was just

absolutely sensational where she won by 8 1/2 lengths and just

totally dusted a very high quality field at Saratoga

running one of the highest turf buyer, one of the highest

buyers, you know, of the year running a one O 4.

And you know, she's she's a very game game there and has has had

a very fruitful career. And you know, she's a Philly

that that's just taken the ownership on a on a great ride

has been has been campaigned incredibly well by by by the way

Christophe and by Miguel and, you know, 11 of great stakes for

Miguel after after his father passed away.

And you know, it's just has been a been a special Philly for for

all the connections. And you know, she's she's always

always had a big heart. And that's one of my favorite

things about her is she always tries, always lays it lays it

all out. And but I, you know, I think her

performance in the Glen Falls is, is something that I don't

think people will, will soon forget.

I mean, that was that was some performance that day.

It was special. For sure, I was at Saratoga that

day. I could, I could back you up

that. That left me impressed.

You guys also, you know, it's not just going to be the brood

mares that you guys have here. You also have a wheatling as hit

#146. By gun runner out of Grade 1

winner nickname or just tell us a little bit about this wingling

and the opportunity. We've already mentioned the

yearling market right now. This would be one that you'd be

looking at potentially next year's yearling market if

somebody bought her with the bought this wingling with the

idea of selling it. Just tell us a little bit about

the Wingling here. Well, we talked, you know,

talking about the yearling market.

I mean, you look at you look at averages and I mean Gun Runner,

this came on September. He sold $1,000,000 yearling the

I think the first four sessions or the first four books he had

a, he had $1,000,000 horse every, every session for the

first four books or something. There's you could Fact Check me,

but it's either the first four, it was more than the first four

sessions. The first four book there was a

gun runner 7 figure horse, which, which is just crazy.

He was, you know, one of the leading stallions by average

this year for yearlings and, you know, just has had an incredible

year in the sales ring and is backing it up on the track.

I mean, what a what a stallion and what a promising stallion he

he is going to be as we move forward.

You look at you look at the stallion ranks and, you know, I

think we're really kind of coming into a little bit of a a

changing of the guard. You know, we've, we've got some

stallions that, you know, are, are, are no longer, you know,

they're, they're getting up there.

You know, we've got, we've got some boys who are, you know,

creeping up towards their 20s or, you know, into their 20s.

And then you've got a horse like gun Runner, who, you know, he's,

he's really set to to be king of the king of the hill here for

for a while alongside some other very promising horses that we've

already talked about. But this gun runner nickname, he

may be a weanling, but he's soon to be a man, that's for sure.

So he's he's a very physically imposing colt out of a grade one

winning Scott Daddy mayor, who's a graded stakes producer.

She she's got a, you know, produced a horse in in Ireland

in Ides of March. She's by Wooten Bassett, who's a

who's a great stakes performer. So she's a proven mayor, grade

one winning mayor. And this is a cult that, you

know, is, is physically very impressive, impressive.

We, we think that he is going to appeal to, you know, some high

end users in, in November. And you know, we're excited to,

to showcase him to this, to this market.

And you know, we, we think we certainly think very highly of

them here at the farm and, and are looking forward to bring him

out there and showing them off. Sean knows this about me.

I think there should be a social media page about the libraries

of horse racing. Blood Horse would be stop #1

we'd go to Monmouth Park after that.

Conrad, I need you to put up a bookshelf because your backdrop,

my gosh, is incredibly beautiful.

Can we come just do a Blood Horse Monday episode there?

Because that's unbelievable. I'm very jealous.

You guys come on out happy to host you.

So jealous. All right, well, you, Scott read

better off. You joined us from Denali, of

course. Part of the Keeneland sale

coming up just next week. My goodness, calendar's flying,

Conrad. Good luck with everything you

know. Just a should be a spectacular

sale and and best of luck with her.

I appreciate it, guys. Then good.

We'll see you all next week and happy Breeders' Cup.

Yeah, we'll be out there. Happy Breeders' Cup to you.

Thank you. There you go.

Conrad Bedra from Denali and the VP over there.

Appreciate him jumping on having fun with these sales over at

Keeneland for sure. Reminder that Keeneland is of

the world's marketplace. That breeding stock sale just

start at Keeneland on Tuesday, November 4th.

Keeneland.com for all the information there.

It's a lot. All right, So the Boku

conversation that was really interesting to me because when

you catch a horse of her general quality, right, and you talk

about that kind of breeding and you talk about that kind of

lineage, I'm fascinated with what Conrad talked about early

on, especially was you're not just going to have American

interest in that horse. Yep, right.

We're, we're watching American fairly shift to Japan, for

example, on the stud side, Horsley Boku, if you look at

the, if you look at the past performances for the upcoming

Breeders' Cup, American brood mares show up on those turf

lines a lot, frankly. It's pretty incredible actually.

And so I would not be surprised to see her somewhere in Ireland,

somewhere in the UK, something like that.

Would not be surprised she's got or here, frankly.

I mean, she's got international appeal and that's one of the

exciting things about a sale like this is you have buyers

from all over the world coming in looking to improve their

stock. And she's one that can fit in

all sorts of different breeding programs, especially, you know,

when she's shown the turf ability that she did throughout

her career. Europe's going to be looking at

that. You would think Japan's probably

going to be looking at that as well.

Maybe maybe even Australia. Remember Australia came up and

bought a couple of our top mayors last year at these sales

so. Auburn's globetrotting as well.

I mean, the turf horses from the US are starting to move.

Around, man, yeah, they are. And I think, you know, I think

they're, we're starting to see where a lot of our turf forces

are starting to stand up more in this international competition

and maybe we did a few decades ago.

And so people are taking note of that.

And obviously as you then breed those better turf forces, they

produce better turf forces and better turf forces.

And that eventually just will snowball to the effect where you

know these international, especially for some of these

international operations that are maybe to looking at, you

know, pulling in different bloodlines that they don't

already have, kind of mixing it up a little bit more.

You have the and not this time offers that opportunity,

frankly, right. I mean for many, many spots.

And so what's interesting about him?

People are talking about him now like they talked about candy

right about 3-4 years ago, right?

Yeah, where? Oh, by the babies.

And then figured out kind of thing, right?

Like they might be good at everything.

They might be. I mean, there's only.

A We had a We had an article on Blood Horse after Keeneland

opening weekend that Eric Mitchell did for us and he he's

dove into this was after he had the top three finishers in the

Jessie and I believe, I believe the what he said.

You can go check out this article online.

Make sure I'm not saying the wrong thing here, but I believe

he said that Not This Time is only the 4th sire this century

to have to have the trifecta represented in a graded stakes

race, so he does that on opening weekend.

In the and then. On closing weekend, he hits the

superfecta with his offspring. And by the way, there were he

had the superfecta in that race. He had three other kids in that

race too. There were 7 not this times in I

believe that was what that that was.

That was the value or was that the the Bryant station this past

weekend. So he had he had seven kids in

that race. He hit the superfecta and.

He was a dirt horse. I know he's doing this on the

turf. We saw I did an article last

year ahead of the Breeders Cup about the fact that he was the

sire of Cogburn, the world record setter on the 5 1/2

prolongs on the turf. And he was the sire of Next, the

superstar marathoner on the dirt.

So talk about, you know, the ability that he has.

It's incredible. And Conrad mentioned there how

it's kind of like the changing of the guard right now.

You know, horses, you think a horse like tap it.

You know, he's he's getting up there in age.

You know, you're we're starting to see, you know, a little less

and less of his kids. You have Uncle Moe who just died

or at the end of last year. And so we're going to see less

Uncle Moe's now. And it's, but you know, you

know, some of these guys who were staples of the breeding

industry that are now getting to that point in age where we're

going to start seeing, you know, less of less of their direct

kids on the racetrack. We'll still see them as

broodmire sires as you know, on the on the, you know, in the

pedigrees quite a bit. But now it's Gun Runner and not

this time's turn. And we're starting to see them

really take over at these yearling sales.

And we're going to see a couple more of these horses kind of

jump in there with them. But Gun Runner, not this time.

Both are really set up to probably be generational.

Stallions at this point. Flight lines up there.

Yeah, We haven't even seen flight lines.

Kids on the track talk about changing.

And you didn't mention justify. I did not mention how dare I not

given how much of A Triple Crown fan I am.

But yeah, justifies in in that mix as well.

By the way, another sire where we watched him dominate the dirt

and all of his turf. Runners and sprinters and

everything are great. They're great.

Yeah. No, it's fun, fun, fun watching

that puzzle come together. We are headed to Breeders' Cup.

We are. We are doing shows out there.

We are. Let me put that down on my

schedule. I'm doing shows out there.

We definitely wherever you're watching this, you'll be able to

find Blood Horse at the Breeders Cup.

We encourage you to come check us out.

We all have episodes up Thursday, Friday and Saturday.

We will do those probably late morning, early afternoon,

depending on where you live in the country.

Yes, if you're on the East Coast, we're going to do our

best to make sure we get them up in enough time for you to watch

them ahead of the races on. Friday and Saturday.

So make sure you kind of jot this down if you want to hear

some of our final thoughts. Obviously by that point, we will

be on site at Delmar. We will be watching these

horses. We will be talking to the

connections. We'll have kind of that last

minute information, we hope, where you're going to have a

couple of our other blood horse talent here on on the show as

well to give us some of their thoughts on some of the races

that they're working on. You'll hear some of these

storylines going into the race as well.

It's a great opportunity Thursday, Friday and Saturday

for you to kind of figure out the final information you need

to be able to place those bets at the Breeders Cup.

To be able to just, if you're one of those people just wants

to sit back and enjoy the races. This will give you all the

information you need as far as you know, just what the

storylines are going into these races.

It's going to be a lot of fun out there.

I know you're excited, I'm excited.

Let's get out there. Why are we still here?

Let's get on that plane. From today, Tuesday, October

28th is tomorrow by Tuesday night at 7:00 PM on the Blood

Horse socials. If you would like to watch our

annual Breeders' Cup seminar, you are welcome to join us.

I'll be joined by Florida based handicapper Barry Spears

actually making the trip up here for his 50th birthday.

What? Happy birthday on on Barry

Spears's birthday, we will do. A seminar here, you have to

watch it or attend if you're in the local area, but you have to

watch it in order to say happy birthday to Barry, question for

your birthday, give a nice birthday gift and watch the

watch. Please comment on the stream we

will throw on the on the screen. We would love to hear from you

tomorrow night. We're going to have a ton of fun

with that. Not a ton.

You know, it's not what we do about ours, right?

These conversations that we have in common.

That's what we do, right? We tell these stories like about

mind frame and and those kinds of stories.

And he got anything less, But you'll get a lot of it this

week, of course, ahead of the Breeders Cup.

Excited to get out there and get that going.

I'll always be. I'll also be available at ESPN

Louisville if you would like to listen Thursday and Friday

mornings as well on the radio. Lots of different guests there

as well. My friends from NBC and the LA

Times and maybe even Carlos Marlins.

How about that? Well, Carlos?

I always TuneIn for Carlos. I mean, you should, yeah.

Thank you, Caitlin. And we'll see at the British

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