BloodHorse at the Kentucky Derby | Post-Draw Reaction

All right. Welcome back in Blood Horse at

Kentucky Derby 152. We're presented, by the way, by

our friend Alex Smallwood and Christie's Bluegrass.

Excuse me, Easy for me to say. He shot Collins lira bow, of

course, under the twin Spires next to the paddock here at

Churchill Downs. Immediately after the draw,

you'll hear from some of the connections of the major orders

in this one and one guy who may or may not have turned in the

paperwork on time. We'll not.

Get to hold that again soon. We'll get to that later on in

the show, but early impressions, man.

Other than someone drawing the 17, which you are.

Wow. Yeah, absolutely.

Goodbye 6 speed. Goodbye.

So it's up on there. You'll hear from the connections

to 6 speed later on in this program.

But thoughts from the draw? I I thought Brakeley Renegade

draw The one is the story of the draw.

Oh, yeah, that's definitely the story of the draw.

You have the favorite down there in the inside rail.

Everybody always says over the last couple of years that ever

since we made the new starting gate for 2020 and you, it's not

as bad of to be on the inside because you don't break straight

into the rail anymore. We still haven't seen anybody

win from it. So in a minute.

Yeah. So I mean, that's not the best

place to be. I mean, his, I don't know what

to like his running style. Does it matter?

Will it matter? But there's going to be so many

horses closing that if he can never get away from the rail,

you know, nobody's going to give it to him.

Nobody's going to let him off the rail if they, if they have

the option to keep him down there.

So I I don't know how much this is going to really affect him.

The hope is the horses just outside of him maybe get a

little bit ahead of him. He's able to settle in right

behind them. He's in like the 9th or 10th

spot getting into the first turn.

Because you're not wrong, Sean. The rail draw there is.

It's a hampering for sure. Yeah, but we saw him overcome

many things in the Arkansas Derby.

I would not be stunned if he runs a really good.

And as I mentioned on Blood Horse Monday after the Arkansas

Derby, he's a very smart horse. You could tell just by looking

at him in the paddock. So he's going to be responsive

for Irad coming from that real position.

But as you mentioned, I mean, he's got Elvis right outside of

him, who I think we're expecting to be mid PAC.

You'll hear from Riley Mott and his expectations that he could

actually potentially be a little bit closer depending on how

things shake out in front of him.

You'll hear from Riley later on in the show, but directly inside

of Albus you have Intrepido and Litmus Test, who I feel like

we're kind of expecting to get forward.

And so if they come forward, if Albus maybe goes forward, that

at least gives him a couple spots to move off the rail.

But then you got right to party there in post 5.

You know he's going to be in the back.

Does he drop far enough back to where it creates another opening

or is he going to maybe be the horse that keeps Renegade pinned

in there? I don't think you know,

Christopher Elliott in his first Derby, I don't think he's going

to be trying to help out the favorite at all in there.

So we'll see kind of what that turns into as they come out of

the gate there. But that inside but part of the

gate is going to be very interesting to watch coming out,

and I think the outside part of the gate's going to be

interesting to watch. The other part of that is unlike

last year where we had definite speed horses that were going to

always be forwardly placed in the Kentucky Derby, frankly,

this year we simply don't have those horses.

Not a lot of them at least unlike a citizen bowl last year

where we knew that horse was just going to go from the

inside. Of course we know what happened

at the starting gate with that one.

But look, I I just think it with a renegade.

This is in my mind a great test case for if the one hole can win

the oh, he used to be extremely competitive.

He's the kind of horse he hits the board.

I'm 0% surprised. Yeah, yeah.

If he, if he runs well, you can kind of throw away the one

position. Does that mean how many times is

the number one position, the reason why it's lost been the

horse that's in it and not the trip?

I agree. I think really we all just go

back to looking at Lucky's trip in 2010.

We point to that one as being the curse of the one position.

So if Renegade, even if he doesn't win, if he can get a

good trip and he's just simply gets beat by not being the best

horse on that day. I mean, then we can look at it

as you know, maybe we're just overthinking this.

The right horse can work it out from that position.

But man, I definitely, I don't want to have nineteen horses

coming down on top of me. I don't know about you, but that

wouldn't be something I'd be looking.

Forward to I think you're not wrong about that part.

I thought some other interesting ones you'll hear from Tyler

Gaffe Leon as part of this as well.

Full effort draws the outside 20, not great, but heck, horses

have been winning from the 18 lately.

So I mean, I'd rather probably almost certainly be the 20 than

the one. Well, definitely more than the

17 if you're going to be on the outside.

But but you're, I mean, you've seen so many horses coming from

the outside part of the gate in recent years.

You have sovereignty. I know he was #18 both

scratches, I think he came out of the 16.

And then you had Rich Strike out of the 20 itself and you've had

authentic who because of scratches, I think was in the

15. And so a country house was out

there and go back to Big Brown, obviously.

So there's been, and I'll have another 19.

So there's been success coming out of the outside part of the

gate. And he's the kind of horse I

think we're expecting. He's going to be kind of

dropping back. So I don't think it's going to

impact him too much Golden tempos right inside of him.

He's going to be dropping back. And then you have further ado

and 6 speed as the next two over.

They're going to be probably forward.

Pavlovian and the 16 is probably going to be forward.

I'm thinking there's enough horses there that are going to

create the spot for full effort to be able to get toward the

inside. I don't know how close to the

inside he'll get going into the first turn.

I don't think Tyler has to do the I'm going to be last going

into the first turn just to save ground.

I don't think he's going to need to do that here the way that

those courses directly to his inside are set up, obviously

full quarter mile run into the first turn.

Brad Cox in the 20, also the 18. With further ado, you'll hear

from Ted. No, Ned.

Ned. Excuse me.

Ned Toffee today. Ned Toffee.

Ted Nafi. Dard, you blood horse.

Find out later. Dard, you blood horse.

It's our fault. Was not upset about the 18I too.

Am not upset about the 18 for him.

I think that's a horse that you'd rather see in the 18 than

the three, for example. Yeah.

Yeah. I think he's a horse that we

expect him to kind of want that outside stalking trip.

I think this gives him the opportunity for that.

He has 6 speed right on his inside.

We all expect is going to go forward that can maybe clear

somewhat of a path and kind of allow further ado to guide him.

The only part I'd be concerned about from that perspective is

if 6 speed really does gun it out of the gate like he did in

the UAE Derby. If you're going into the race,

obviously John Velazquez is a very adjustable writer so he can

figure out what he wants to do. But if you go into it thinking

I'm going to track 6 speed to get my position and 6 speed ends

up going faster than you're expecting, then maybe that puts

you in a bad position using up a little bit too much early.

But we'll have to wait and see there.

But I do think overall, obviously any post position can

become a great or a bad post position depending on which

direction every horse breaks the gate.

But I think going into it, I think this is an OK post

position for him. Further ado from the 18.

I thought an interesting 1 was Potente drawing the 14.

He's a horse that we saw in the San Felipe.

You and I were there for that one.

Was able to run down Robusta at the end of that race, got to the

lead in the Santa Anita Derby. I don't know if that was

planned, if they wanted to try it out and see if he could be

that kind of horse. And only his third start.

He'll make his fourth start here.

I think the 14 works out really well for him.

Yeah. And you said on yesterday's show

he was the one that you were really in post position, so.

I like it a lot for him, frankly, and I think he's the

kind of horse, unusual kind of Baffert horse.

But I think we'll run a bit like Medina Spirit, a bit of that

stalking trip, and then try to get into that four or five path,

make his best running in the long stretch here at Churchill.

Yeah, I mean, it definitely seems like that's gonna be.

I always feel like that middle of the gate is the options area

of the gate and where you can really kind of come out.

So long as you get a good break and you can be forward, you

really have the option to look both directions and see what's

happening. You can, if nobody inside of him

is going, Juan Hernandez can push him forward.

If he looks over to his right, then as he's pushing forward, he

sees 6 feet going really fast. He can pull back and then he can

get himself in that kind of more inside position and then as 6

feet crosses over in front of him, pop out to the outside.

So I think I think that gives him some options based off of

what is happening around him. I think Juan Hernandez is in a

good spot. There no doubt about it.

The other part of this is all of the second tier horses, the one

that are the ones that are going to be 8 to 1 to about 15 to one

in this field, all druid spots where they can win, whether it's

the so happies of the world, it's the Incredibles of the

world, it's the chief Wallabies of the world.

The Pumas of the world are all between about what, 8 and 12?

Something like that. 8 and 14 you throw potenti in that.

Group so happies in the 8, the Pumas in the 9.

So in other words, if you like one of those second tier kind of

Derby horses, they all drew in a spot where you can absolutely

feel confident about it. Yeah, you can definitely feel

confident about that for sure in that middle of the gate.

It usually does tend to produce some some good runs.

Hold on tactics in there too in the 13.

I think one of those runners in that group as well that I think

of as almost a Mystic Dan coming in 1820 to one kind of horse.

I would not be surprised to see him at that number.

I think everybody in there has got got the options to.

You know, really wonder Dean evens in the middle.

Of that and I think part of the reason why they have the options

is it seems like the horses were expecting to kind of be more

forward are either on the outside or on the inside.

And so I do think that that creates like you don't have

somebody that's coming out of the 11 that's in between two

other speed horses, you know, So I think that does give them the

options to to see what the pace scenario is going to be as it

unfolds. Other than renegade, anybody get

a bad draw on your mind? 6 speed 17 yeah, possible O for

46. I just checked that step with

Ben Cudlow from Equibase. O for 46 SO.

Show us the Ben Cudlow. Yeah, why not?

He also Guy Ben? He also an interesting fact that

he was pointing out to me. Apparently post position #10 has

a 30% in the money rate, which is shocking me because I cannot

think Giacomo was the last winner out of the 10 in 2005.

I cannot think of a horse that's finished on the board off the

top of my head that was in 10. I'm going to have to go and

look, look at the last couple of races.

But yeah, 30% at the time #10 is in the trifecta.

So interesting. That's it.

Yeah, that was an interesting, interesting the bed.

Couple of throwing in the. Old, I'll get him throwing in

the stats, Erica, go check him out on the echo based podcast.

But what are they in a lot of stats, But yeah, right.

But yeah, so I think that's interesting.

Obviously that's good for Wonder Dean.

We'll hear from his exercise rider and his team a little bit

later on as well. They were very happy to post

position. He was the one horse that got an

audible cheer when they called. That was post position.

I don't know if it was actually because of the post or if they

were just happy to hear the horse's name being part of the

Kentucky Derby. But man, I mean, they've,

they've been such a fun group this whole week, so.

If you have not met Wonder Dean's face yet.

Heads up, head to show to my Twitter.

You'll get more than enough of his nose.

That horse nose shot and love seeing him exiting the stakes

barn there. Certainly go back and watch the

Butlers Monday interview with Kate Hunter about him as well.

Man, a ton of great interviews right after the draw as well.

It kind of follows on the theme from last show that we did

yesterday where I feel like there wasn't a lot of tents, you

know, feelings around that I know.

It felt a little bit more relaxed and I think we talked

about on the show yesterday really.

I mean, we mentioned 6 Speed and Potentes horses.

We were interested in seeing where they ended up drawing, but

I didn't feel like necessarily anyone was going to have their

race made or broken this year because of the pose, right?

I feel like a lot of connections probably went in thinking what

kind of post position they wanted, but I don't think

anybody went in being like, oh, this is going to be horrible,

except maybe the Renegade team. Maybe we didn't.

Unfortunately, I didn't see any of them come up there where we

could have asked him about that, but we I think that's really the

only horse you can point out. Obviously 6 speeds got the

curse, so I will keep throwing him in there.

But reality, I think Renegade is the only one that you're coming

out of this legitimately concerned about the post

position just because it is that inside post position.

But he's the kind of horse that if anyone can overcome it, he's

the horse that can overcome it. So I think we, I don't know how

much, I mean you're the, you're a big handicapping guy.

How much do you think is really going to impact your

handicapping? It's big time.

It hurts my thoughts on Renegade quite a bit.

Does it? It really does.

I that turns into the kind of situation as a better.

I imagine there are many of you watching where Renegade's on

your list. And look, there are.

I'll give you, for instance, last year I said I'm throwing

Baeza into my trifecta box. So my four horses I play every

year at the Derby, Sovereignty, him, Journalism, that's who I'm

throwing in my trifecta box. There was a fourth horse that I

don't. Remember anymore?

That paid off OK, but here's why I did it.

Because Flavia Pratt told me the week of Derby he was riding

Baeza. Yeah, I read Ortiz Junior rode

14 of the 20 horses in Kentucky. It seemed like that.

It's actually, what, 5 or 6? Something something insane.

But 1300 point races chose Renegade.

That's got to mean something. I know he he hasn't had the

success yet in the Kentucky Derby, but we certainly value

his opinion as to which the best runners are going to be.

The fact that he chose Renegade out of all of those horses, what

we saw further ado at do at the Bluegrass, I mean, if you want

full effort, if he felt great at the in the Ruby, why would you

not keep that mount if you felt that way?

The fact that he went with Renegade, I get the New York

connections and all that kind of stuff, but still, in my mind

he's trying to win the Derby first and foremost.

I looked at that as a very serious sign that Renegade was

at at near the top, at least of the contenders in this race.

The one hole though, very much changed my hand again.

Yeah, well, and I mean, we talked about, we've talked about

on Butter Horse Monday before about how it seems like Florida

is the strongest path and he he opted to ride Renegade in

Arkansas and set a commandment in the Florida Derby when they

were on the same day. So there's another horse that he

chose Renegade over. Great point.

So trust his judgement for sure. And you know, as far as him not

winning the Derby anymore, he, I don't think he's been on a horse

like Renegade. I agree up to this point

actually. So.

You know, a lot of times we would feel like he should have

been and he was supposed to be a Forte, but Forte obviously had

to scratch. That would have been the only

other time he was on, you know, one of the legitimate, I think,

top choices. So we'll see what he can do now

with one of the top choices. I mean, if you're going to have

anybody aboard for trying to guide out of the one post

position, why not take the five time equips award winner, right?

I agree. So if anybody's going to work

out a trip from there, it's going to be him.

But yeah, I think that he definitely is the only want to

be concerned about the gate. We'll see what I can do.

Rocket crowd here on opening day at Churchill Downs.

People having a ton off on odd site here at the home of the

Derby. One week away.

Sean, we're going to hear from a bunch of people post draw.

What do you want to throw to 1st?

Well, I think the horse we're expecting to be the first out of

the gate also ended up giving us our first interview after the

draw. That's Bupat Seymar, the trainer

of 6 Speed. I think he had some interesting

things to say, especially as far as what the tactics will be.

So yeah. And look, many of you have

commented about how you appreciate the Kate Hunter

interviews about what it takes to get a horse here from Japan

or from the UAE, whatever Bupat takes you inside there with him.

I've had an interesting interview as well.

Here's Bupatsebar with us after the draw.

All right, welcome in post draw with Bupatsebar trainer of 6

speed draws to 17 today. What do we think of the 17?

I think it's a good draw. I mean, you know, we've got a

bit of speed on the inside. We want to be on the outside of

the speed. So I mean, you know, authentic 1

from 20. So I think, I think it's a good

draw. We seem to think over here in

the US that he's going to be kind of one of the main horses

to be up there and on the pace. Are you expecting him to be

setting the lead or it sounds like he might be thinking he

could sit a little bit off? He can, he can sit off if if you

want to, but we're not going to fight him.

You know, every race that he's drawn, he's been up there.

So you know why? Why?

Why change it now? What have you thought about his

progression throughout the winter to get him to this stage,

and what gave you the confidence to bring him over here to the US

for this? Well, first of all, the, the new

ownership, they're, they're US based and they're, they're very

enthusiastic and they're great owners.

And they, you know, who, who doesn't want a Derby horse?

So, and then I mean, on the other hand, I think the horse is

doing very good. He's a good traveller actually.

I've been here a few years ago and unfortunately that horse

wasn't a good traveller. And then this horse, he had to

go to UK for 14 days and you know, he trained there and

trained really well and he's come over here.

Maybe it's a blessing because I think the time difference of

eight hours to come over here straight might have taken its

toll. But you know, since we went to

UK, he he acclimatized and now he's here.

So it's I think it's only 3-4 hour difference.

You book Brian Hernandez Junior. We've heard that name in the

winner's circle here before. What went into that decision?

Well, it was, it was Jake and I think Jake was waiting till,

till the last moment and you know, and we're we're lucky to

get a jockey like Brian, Brian Hernandez.

I mean, he's he's won the Oaks and the Derby.

So you know, couldn't, couldn't ask for a better jockey.

And you're very happy with the post position as well.

You mentioned this is your second time now here coming to

the Derby. When you train overseas, is the

Kentucky Derby something that's consistently on your radar?

Or does it seem like kind of the unachievable dream that you

just, if you happen to get lucky, you happen to get lucky?

Well, Kentucky Derby is a hard race for anyone in the world, no

matter you're based in the US or wherever you are in the world.

I mean, you know, we, we all understand that there are 15,000

horses approximately born every year and there's going to be 20

in those gates and then there's going to be 1 winner.

So, you know, it's a, it's a hard race, but This is why we're

here. It's because it's it's got the

most prestige, the best 3 year old race in the world.

Lupon Seabar with us. He'll break from the 17 with 6

speed on Saturday. Congratulations.

Thank you very much. Thank you.

Thanks. Alright, thanks to trainer Bupat

Sebar there with the connections of A6 beat, obviously Brian

Hernandez Junior getting them out and there we'll keep the

international theme going. We'll throw it to Sean for this

one with the connections of Wonder Dean, of course, his

favorite person in North America.

Shawn, it just is what it is that this was a fun one for

sure. Oh, yeah, I mean, this, this

team has been great the whole time.

The one thing I always love about when the Japanese horses

come over here, you can really see that the, you know, the

workers that come with them, the grooms, the exercise riders,

everybody, how much fun that they have when they're over

here. And so we've been lucky to have

some great access with the team while they've been here

preparing for the Kentucky Derby, bringing Wonder Dean over

to my camera every day so he could say hello.

And I mean, they just have so much fun.

So this is going to be, this is going to be fun.

Interview here here with Team Wonder Dean at the post position

draw. I'm joined by Takuya and Utah.

Very happy with the post position.

I heard you guys cheering when they called you in post position

#10 How much do we like this post?

I expect to get it #10 or #12 So Cora said that that number.

So we couldn't be happy with that.

Just how excited are you? One more step down.

How excited are you for the Kentucky Derby one week from

today at the Kentucky? I believe in him really well

next one week and then we will do my best and just we are so

excited. Well, best of luck to you guys.

Go celebrate a little bit and have fun this week.

I know. Yes, thank you.

I'll do my best. Yeah.

All right, thanks to the connections of Wonder Dean,

they're having more fun than anybody.

I love it. Of course.

Now a friend of the show and friend of Blood Horse.

Let's be really honest. That Toffee on Next here joining

us from Spendthrift. We almost ruined that friendship

with the Ted Nafi typo but then luckily the horse won a couple

grade ones and was a champion so now he likes us for.

That that part, the second part is Keeneland did did us a huge

favor at Blood Horse with the further ado stuff on the South.

Oh yeah, thank you Keeneland. I don't know that we publicly

thank Keeneland for that moment yet.

Getting Blood Horse out of the out of.

The doghouse there spent three folks.

Really do appreciate Caitlin jumping in on that.

They draw the 18 once again. With further ado, though, I

think one of the 2-3 betting favorites by the time we get to

the post. Almost.

Certainly, yeah, I would say he's definitely gonna be.

I would. I mean, I'm willing to say he's

gonna definitely be one of the top 2 choices.

I think so. Now the Renegade's on the ball

on the on the one. I think that'll elevate him

within or. Lower his price right now we had

Kevin Kilroy on the on blood horse Monday last week and he

said that he felt like further ado is gonna end up being the

betting favorite by the time that went out of the gate I'm.

Sure, visually that run at Keeneland is hard to look.

Well, now that Renegade's down there in the one that could

vary, but very much end up the case as well.

So yeah, we'll see. We'll see how the odds shake

out. But it was good to catch up with

with Ned here. With further ado, drawing post

18. Just like Authentic did when he

won the Kentucky Derby 2020 for Spendfrith Farm.

Well, Doris at the Derby post draw with with that topic here

hanging out with you. Sean Collinsley, your boat of

course, post draw how we feel in you guys seem to you're a

regular at this thing. How do we feel about the draw

here? Well, you know, authentic was 18

and we we did OK there and and sovereignty last year.

So it beginning to feel like a good spot and I'd certainly

rather be out there than down down inside.

And I think this horse has got enough tactical speed, You know,

hopefully it'll set up well that Johnny can just watch what

unfolds inside of him and, and hopefully find a good spot to

tuck in, be forwardly placed and and go from there.

Does it help being right outside of a horse like 6 speed who a

lot of us think is going to be up on the pace, that maybe he

could kind of help to clear the path for you guys to get inward

a little bit? Yeah, I think, I think so.

As long as he goes in a straight line.

But that's, you know, you know, there's there's it's twenty

horses and any one of them, you know, takes a takes a, takes a

left or right out of that gate. It's a pretty big, pretty good

chain reaction. So, you know, so much luck right

at the break in in these races. But but yeah, certainly we'd

love to see that scenario unfold.

A bit of a roller coaster for you.

Obviously the Breeders Cup Juvenile win with a different

tradie of yours and now you're here at the draw.

What are the emotions today? Well, look, you know Ted Noffy,

undefeated 2 year old champion. I think we've got to be, you

know, grateful and really appreciative of that love would

love to be here. But you know, hopefully we can,

we can have a good second-half of the year with him.

He's down in Ocala rehabbing and on track with with that and and

just starting back into a just a very little bit of light

exercise now. And and so hopefully we can have

a have a good latter part of the year.

But you know, very happy to have further ado and, and hopefully

bigger and better things with him.

You mentioned Authentic being in the 18 when he won the Derby for

you guys in 2020. Are you one of those guys that

kind of looks at that as you know, holds that as really big

good luck, a good omen for that. Are you, are you a big believer

in that? Not really.

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm probably more of a believer in good

horses. You know, good horses are going

to make the, you know, the post position.

Look, I don't think it makes a lot of sense that eighteens had

some winners lately and I think seventeens never had a winner.

I think that's, you know, I think you just chalk that up to

just, I don't know, statistical anomaly or whatever, but you

know, I, I don't think there's, there's something that makes 17

a bad post and 18 a great post. So, you know, I think as long as

you can break clean and and get away and put yourself in good

position going into that first turn, that's that's, you know,

huge in this race. We saw the saddle cloth at

Keeneland. Will we try to keep that

tradition of, look, we've met the Noffees and the Toffees, Do

we keep the Father Ado thing going?

Let's yeah, they can smell it any way they want.

Yeah. We, we, we, we, we'd kind of be

happy with a misprint on there because that seemed that seems

to work for us. So.

It's a little lighter, right? A little less weight to carry,

right? Exactly.

Exactly. Just don't misprint the set the

18 as a 17. Don't do that.

We we know that. Well, congratulations, just a

spectacular bluegrass and all the best this week.

Thanks so much. All right, thanks to Ned Toffee,

appreciate him. Jumping on talking about further

ado, One of the three Brad Cox trainees in this race.

Full effort. Drew the 20 very early in the

process here. Not hard to read the facial

expression of 1 Brad Cox, who seemed a little just

dissatisfied with that position. But here we get to talk with

Tyler Gaffe Leone, who's picking up the mount.

Never ridden him before. Appreciate Tyler taking some

time. Here's what Tyler thought about

the outside post. And certainly what do you expect

from Bella Ballerina in the Oaks.

All right, Blood horse at Derby 152, hanging out with jockey

Tyler Gap, Val Leon, you get the outside for full effort.

I think he's the kind of horse that can overcome that.

I'm sure you feel the same way. Most definitely, you know, he's

kind of a like lake closer so don't have to really worry about

getting the position able to kind of let the race develop and

find a nice spot for him. I don't see it being an issue.

He's a horse that's never raced on the dirt before and I know a

lot of times the dirt in the Tepita, If the kickback can be a

lot different, is it beneficial that he's in post position 20

where he might not have to get as much of that kickback, or do

you think you're still going to end up tucking in behind horses

anyway? You know I'm going to end up

having to take dirt at some point.

You can't lose too much gun, especially when you're coming

from far that far back. But we'll try and find a nice

spot for him, make sure he's comfortable and hope for the

best. How different is the Tepeda

versus the dirt kickback? Is it something that usually

takes horses a little bit to get used to?

For the most part, yes. I would have to agree.

The first couple times they hit their face, stings them a little

bit. They'll react, but you just kind

of push them through it and they put their head down and keep

going forward. Full effort on the outside for

trader Brad Cox. Obviously Tyler got fellow on

the long side here. Just watching his replays,

looking back on what he's done before, do you have expectations

going into a race of 2019 other horses?

Or is it more, hey, I know he can do this, I can do this, I'll

make the adjustments in the race.

Kind of like you said, you make the adjustments that they come

up. I'm able to watch his replays.

He looks like he's got a tremendous closing kick, so

we'll just kind of rely on that and try and work out a trip for

him. Now in the Kentucky Oaks you

have Bella Ballerina who drew post position #12 sistered a

Pretty Mischievous, who you know pretty well from winning the

Kentucky Oaks a couple of years ago.

Before we get into the post, just how excited are you to be

on Pretty Mischievous's sister in the Kentucky Oaks trying to

win the same race? It's amazing, you know, when she

first, when I first came, I saw her last football, I was in love

with her right away and just watching her develop and kind of

following the footsteps of her sister.

It's been really exciting and hopefully she can follow in the

same suit. Obviously a talented Philly.

What's she like? What's her personality like?

What do you write her? She's, like you said,

tremendously talented, but she's very quirky.

She's got a little bit of playfulness in her and she's

still learning, but a ton of talent.

Being in post 12, you're toward the outside, less horses than

the Derby. There's 14 instead of 20, but

you also have less of a run up into the first turn, the mile

and eight versus the mile and 1/4.

Are you gonna be able to work out a trip from that 12 post

position? Yeah, I don't see it being an

issue. It looks like there's plenty of

speed on form. We've been teaching her to

relax. Hopefully that first flight can

clear out and we'll find a nice position for.

Have you been on her in those breezes recently?

Yes, I've worked her last three. We've been teaching her to rate,

sit behind horses, take dirt and she's been great for me.

Yeah, I've noticed that on the replay it's kind of her, you

know, being taught to sit back, punched her on the inside and

the one the outside on the other.

So she seems like she's being receptive to everything you guys

are trying to teach her. Most definitely, you know,

obviously there was some challenges in the beginning just

trying to change everything up. But you know, she's taking it in

stride. She's really worked well with us

and she's listening on my queue, so we're really excited.

Good, good. Genes in that family seems like

a smart family that can pick things up, right?

I'd say so. White work out there.

Hey, Tyler, I got to ask. This time last year we weren't

getting to do these interviews. How good does it feel to be back

here? You know, I was talking to my

dad about that this morning. It's amazing just to be in this

environment on this kind of week.

That's what it's all about. I'm just thankful and blessed to

be in this position. It is much, much better to have

you here than not. So thank you for joining us here

on Blood Horse Tyler. All the best this week.

Safe trips and all that. Thank you so much man.

All right, thanks to Tyler there.

We appreciate him jumping on the program with us.

And then this one was very fun for me personally because I

always appreciate when when people are in good marriages,

Sean, I'm not going to lie, I love it when I get to see this

kind of stuff. We got to talk with Riley Bot,

who had to wait for the last two draws for Elvis and for

Incredibles. We had a lot of fun with that.

So for the interview. Just just imagine, you know,

you're a young trainer, you're first Kentucky Derby and then

both of your horses are just not being pulled.

And as you said, literally the last two to get their post

positions were Albis and Incredible.

Albis and the two incredible in the 11.

Unbelievable. Here is Riley bots reactions

post draw just behind us a few minutes ago.

All right, post draw here Riley Mott, who we thought for a

moment may have forgotten to enter his horses as they were

the last two off the board here. Riley, did you get late in the

process here with Elvis and and with of course, incredible.

It starts to think, did I fill out that paperwork?

Did we actually pay the fee to be at the Triple Crown?

Well, my wife Megan nudged me towards the end there and said,

did you actually enter the horses?

And I, I had to think about it for a second, you know, if this

wasn't, you know, enough anxiety just waiting till the last two.

But yeah, no, they they got drawn and then they're in the

race. What do you make of we'll start

with Albus first. He drew the further inside and

post position #2 usually I feel like we tend to think that the

inside's not the best place to be.

But is this a horse that can obviously deal dealt with a lot

of traffic in the Wood Memorial? So is he a horse that can

overcome that? Absolutely.

If if one of the two had to draw towards the inside, Albus is the

one I would. I would select for that, you

know, not ideal, but good to see you.

You know, but he's a horse that, like you said, experienced a lot

of kickback, a lot of adversity in his last race, overcame that

well, took the dirt, weaved in and out of traffic.

So, you know, I think you want to break running, that's for

sure. You don't want to, you know,

hold anything back. But it's, it's going to be up to

the, to the jock Manny Franco, to, you know, try to navigate

the best trip possible. Does it help?

He's got Intrepido and Litmus Test immediately to his outside.

I feel like those are both horses that we kind of expect

they're gonna break and be a little forward.

Does that help him? Maybe that maybe that creates

some space for him to move out a little bit.

I certainly hope so, yeah. And you know, hadn't really

analyzed it that closely yet, but but.

My my bet, we're only a couple minutes after the drop.

Yeah. No, no.

I mean, if I could certainly see something like that happening

and hoping that happens and, and actually Alvis has shown a

little bit of speed and some of his other races himself.

So, you know, I hope we have a clean break and we just have a

fair run in the first term. Incredible.

Right in the middle of this field.

I'm imagine you're OK with that draw.

Jaime Torres. We've seen him do the thing

before in the Preakness. What do you make of the 11?

Yeah, we love that post. We were hoping for that or

anywhere from 7:00 to the outside for either 1.

So really happy with that and should you know, give him a fair

enough shot. He is a horse that he's we've

seen him come from far off the pace, we've seen him sit a

little bit closer. We know he's got some of that

speed as well. Can you kind of take a guess

where he's going to end up in the early stages of this?

I mean, I think maybe the second flight in an ideal world, you

know, I don't know if he's going to be going 22 and change on the

lead like, you know, some, some other derbies.

But you know, I can certainly see him sitting in a stalking

position and he's got a high cruising speed if he if he

breaks clean and and he's allowed to do it.

And you know, Jaime knows the horse really well, and he

obviously knows Churchill very well.

How fun is this? You having a good time?

This is pretty cool, indescribable.

I mean, you know, just hanging out here with you guys and and

experiencing this. It's you know, I definitely want

to stay focused at the on the task at hand, but you have to,

you know, pinch yourself and and certainly enjoy the moment

because, you know, who's to say I'll ever be back in in this

position? So I'm just really excited for

our team and for the for the pin up team.

Right before you hopped on with us, you were doing an interview

with your dad, Bill Mott, who has Chief Wallaby in the Derby.

How cool is it to be competing against him in the Kentucky

Derby? It is cool, you know, it's

something I haven't put that much thought into, like.

One of my, one of my favorite moments of this week so far was

Sovereignty has been coming out with all the Derby horses and

you walked by me the other morning and said I think my

dad's just trying to intimidate. The rest of us.

And I stand by that. I stand by that.

No, he, he's the ultimate competitor, as am I.

And you know, we each want the best for for our our

connections, but we're both trying to go win the thing.

Well, I think both have looked really great in the mornings and

so all the best. Great.

I hope you have a great week. We'll see you on Saturday.

Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

Thank you. All right, thanks Riley bot and

team Elvis and my goodness, incredible as well. 2 and 11 for

him. Fun one there.

Appreciate him playing along with us.

Shout out to Megan if she's watching.

Do you your take away from today sort of generally we've been

here now already about 10 hours today, your takeaways for today,

just the general mood of the place and the draw itself.

Excitement's picking up. I said it on yesterday's

episode. It took a little while for that

excitement to kind of get to Churchill Downs just because we

didn't have a lot of the Derby horses here on property for the

for the first couple of weeks. Essentially now everybody's

here, all twenty horses are here and we, I mean, we got four

horses waiting on the AE was so there's excitement to run in

this year's race. We got four horses wanting to

get in and so. When's the last time we had a 20

horse field? It's been a little bit.

I think rich. Strike was twenty horses.

Yeah, I think we're set up for that this year.

Yeah, Rich, did we have 20 in 2024?

I know Epic Ride got in, but did we have a second scratch after

Epic Ride? But, but yeah, so, but I mean,

the excitement's starting to build.

You can feel it. We saw a couple of the owners,

like, for example, Ramiro Restrepo with Team Puma, the

first time we've had a Restrepo sighting so far.

This means, so, you know, everybody's starting to filter

in now. This is where the ownership and

everybody starts coming in for the race.

And so it's going to be a whole lot of fun this week.

We're going to be trying to talk to as many people as we can on

that backstretch, trying to get you as much information as we

can and also give you maybe, maybe some rooting interests

here, some of the stories behind the contenders of this year's

Kentucky Derby. Make sure you follow along with

us here on Blood Horse at the Derby.

Also make sure you're checking us out on bloodhorse.com and the

Blood Horse Daily. We're going to have tons of

features. I mentioned Ramiro Restrepo.

The reason why I noticed he was there is because I had to talk

to him for one of the features coming up in the Blood Horse

Daily. So make sure that you're

checking that out. Again, thanks to Alex Smallwood,

the team over there at Christie's Bluegrass Realty,

really appreciate them hanging out with us week long here at

the Kentucky Derby. Of course, you see Alex's

segment every week on Blood Force Monday as well.

Last thing I wanted to say here as we wrap up this day and, and

we really do appreciate everybody hanging out with us as

we move along. You're right about it picking up

and getting that excitement and you know why it is, it's because

of the fans. Yep, it's because of the people

that come to the track who make this what it is.

That includes you. And by the way, what Sean and I

are really trying to do is make you sound really smart at the

Derby party. That's really.

I know think of all you can now pull out the fact #10 has

finishing the trifecta 30% of the time #17 is over 46.

Think of all the You don't hang. Out with Ben Kudlow, Sean

Collins. But I hang out with him so I can

pass in info to you so you can sound smart at the Kentucky

Derby party on Saturday. Use the use those facts.

Go impress somebody. When you hit the trifecta with

Wonder Dean in it coming out of post #10 you're gonna, you're

gonna sound pretty smart and everybody's gonna be coming to

you next year. So maybe you don't want to do

that. You might want to do many texts

next. Year.

We'll see. What's your overall number of

texts you get one time of year from someone asking you who you

got the It's usually 15 1/2. Yeah, yeah.

And well, and of course, they always wait till Derby Day

itself when I'm like when I'm busy as hell and I'm like, come

on, go to your phone for three days.

You got, you got, you got to text me this on Tuesday.

Come on now, people. Oh man, does Sean Collins love

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