BloodHorse Monday 10/20/25 | Hunter, Walden, HillnDale

Ah yes, rock and or roll. It's time for Blood Horse

Monday. He Shawn, I'm Louis hanging out

with you for the Is it 38I? Think so. 38th rendition.

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keeneland.com. That is keeneland.com busy show

today. Seems like we are incapable of

unbusy shows now. It's almost like something

important is coming up. It's almost like, but we

appreciate everyone jumping on. If you ever wanted to see an

episode with Sean and me wearing at least 4 outfits I have great.

Did we make it to four? It's just.

Three, I think. I think we're just three.

I have great news. Something.

Like that. That's exactly right.

Kate Hunter, we'll jump back on. We talked to her around Derby

time. We stood outside the quarantine

barn with her with Luxor Cafe and a horses whose name I'm

forgetting. Admire Daytona.

Thank you very much, Mr. Derby over here and she'll be joining

us. Give us kind of an update on the

Japanese horses we will see in the Breeders Cup.

She was stunningly, stunningly transparent about their running

styles and level and what their their values are.

But a deep plushy conversation broke out amongst the three of

us. I was not prepared for the level

of plushy talk that we get into. I cannot suggest enough staying

around for that one. She'll be first up.

Oh, Will Waldman, he's the trainer Rhetorical who will be

heading to the Breeders Cup and just one of the stories in horse

racing that if you don't know it, you should stick around and

hear it. And frankly, it is a, you know,

I was thinking about this, you know, so often, you know, around

the Kentucky Oaks, for example, we we think about breast cancer,

we think about cancer and how much it touches people's lives.

Will story about addiction and different things.

It touches so many people's family members themselves, maybe

even. And so just a great story there,

of course, as they head on to the Breeders Cup with

Rhetorical. And then Jessica will join us

from Hillandale Farms as part of our preview of that Keeneland

sale. Hanging out with us all month is

Keeneland. Speaking of Perryville, last

weekend, Barnes gets the win in that one.

Do you know what I thought of as he was kicking away?

Are you ready? This show last week when Brendan

Walsh told us not every horse takes the parks.

Yep, and Barnes. Flashing through your mind.

Didn't take the parks and he took just fine to Keeneland,

yeah. I know he looked great.

I was I. Was just.

Shocked that he won, but I was shocked that he won like that,

especially with, you know, especially with that field

Captain Cook, Owen Almighty in there.

And, you know, it's just, I mean, he just pulled away from

him as they came into the stretch.

He looked really impressive. That was a Barnes we haven't

seen since back in January. So it's good to see him back on

back on that upward trend and hopefully that will continue

going forward. License is Malibu 26, right?

Yeah. Get back to San Anita.

They've they've been keeping him at the Sprint since they brought

him back here in the summer. It's a great one.

Yeah, I think, I think that would definitely.

Be the target for that, no doubt about I.

And frankly, that field could get really interesting if you

think about the three old sprinters.

Frankly, if someone wanted to ship for the grade one, if they

wanted to do that, my sense is it won't be like what happened

to Mystic Dan last year with the travel that they'll be able to

put it together a little bit better than that.

But I I say that maybe not unfortunately, but Barnes

heading back out for the Malibu I think makes the most sense

moving forward. Any disappointments in that

race? I I got to be honest, Captain

Cook jumped up so much in the jerkins.

It was kind of a an expected return to normalcy for him.

I think, you know, the speed figures etcetera made more sense

in this Perryville than they did in other races.

But I just, I was a little underwhelmed by the others in

this race. Yeah, but I can't tell how much

that was just bars. Yeah, I know it's hard.

It's hard to tell what he was like that.

But Owen almighty, I was disappointed in on the far turn

because he was backing out of it.

But then he dug in. He kept he kept on battled in

there young and for 1/3. So I'm I'm I'm wondering if this

is just he's you know, still, you know, this was the second

start off the layoff. His first start was really just

you can't really can't consider that much of anything other than

the fact that he went around the track there at Charlestown.

So I think it was good to see that he still has some of that

fight in him even though he didn't get second or he didn't

win the race. And so I think that's still

something to build off of. I wouldn't jump off of him.

I am wondering if, you know, maybe, you know, maybe that one

turned mile, that mile on the 16th is exactly where he wants

to be. Maybe these 7 furlongs isn't

exactly. It seems like when they went to

Quicken, he was caught a little off guard and then he eventually

kind of worked back into it. So we'll see what he has from

the future. But yeah, it was hard to look

hard to look past Barnes in that race.

No doubt about it. I think it's the Pasco that's

run at 7 furlongs at Tampa that he won earlier this year.

And that was the one, I think. He, he got decreed in got it.

And so, so we've seen him do it before, but not greatly #1 and

#2 in the development of a three-year old.

That was a lifetime ago, right? I mean, it really was.

We're talking early Derby preps at Tampa Bay, ahead of the Derby

and the salmon, all those things.

But yes, Jason, I did that for you.

I did that for you. But no, it's a by the way, it's

their 100th year coming up at Tampa.

Well. How about that?

I think we should I think we should have somebody else from

Tampa. I know their their mate coming

up here. Is that going to start real

soon? I.

Think that isn't that next month November, Yep, for sure Tampa if

you're listening to us so we. Would love to have you No 100

years is under yours and by the way, the only thing I need 100th

year. You got to make swag right?

You got to put the gear together.

You and me, big, big devotees of the horse racing swag because I

wear a vest like promoting myself the I need a hat that

just says the Sam Only two could be made though Beam gets one.

I get one. That's all I don't get one.

Nope wow, Nope. That's that's how exclusive

these you know what they better get a make 3 push mod Fine,

that's right. I better get.

The towel. We're in the Tampa 100.

One on TVD, they sent little TVD 1000.

We were ready. Give me the Sam hats.

Let's get it done. Come on Beam, you better.

All right. And then oddly, Raven Rod, we

get an upset and two of the longer odds horses in the race

go ahead and and win that one. Did you have a big take away

from the Raven Rod? Look, this is a we're talking

about. I love this kind of stuff in in

Kentucky. We get spoiled here. 11 horse

field after 15 were edited for scratch.

You still get a double digit feel.

Any takeaways for the Raven? I I'm still trying to process

exactly what happened in that race.

Yeah. It was such a thrilling finish

as they were coming down the down the stretch run there.

I thought Vodka Twist was, I thought she was too.

I thought she had the race one. But then Kappa Kappa just came

right back on her inside. It's always great to see when

you have connections from the East Coast, like a Butch Reed.

That's kind of a big name out there, seeing them ship a horse

out to Kentucky and do well in that race.

And I mean, she's a late, lightly raced horse.

We don't, I feel like we don't really know exactly what she's

capable of. She draws in off that AE list

like you mentioned. So she was stuck with that by

draw. She still ended up winning

anyway. I lost no faith in ragtime

there. I just think it was too far

behind. And then frankly, yeah, the two

front runners didn't really come back or the 2 front runners down

the stretch and come back to her.

And so I, I would draw a line through that one and expect her

to be, you know, on top of her game again next time as well.

But yeah, I was, I'm still trying to figure out exactly how

I think about that race because that was definitely a surprise.

I'm interested in vodka with a trust moving forward.

You know, I think your favorite she always.

Shows up. Boom.

Yeah. But I think there's something

where if she grows a little, if she matures a little, if there's

some kind of mental maturity for her, I think she could put it

together. I think they're still figuring

out what she's good at. And she was coming in off 2

weeks rest. She was just running against

older and the toys are on. Opening weekend that that is an

angle that I love to watch with certain trainers when they're

like, you know what, no, you're good, get back out there ready

to go. And she clearly, clearly was in

that one as well. Coming up on the end of

Keeneland. Moving back, of course, Sunday

to future stars Sunday at Churchill Downs this weekend as

well. What is the crazy stat about

Future Stars Sunday? Young, Young Sean.

Well, it's I produced a Kentucky Derby winner last year.

I could tell you that. Not a bad thing.

That's exactly right. Were you like me and you thought

you were clever, picking sovereignty in last year's

street sense as a maiden, and no one else would figure it out?

And then he went out as a favorite one by a billion.

I don't. Think I picked it.

Oh, there you go. OK, I felt so.

I was like, oh, look at me picking a maiden and I'm in a

grade three. Look at Louis being different.

No one's going to figure this out except me.

He breaks as the favorite. Everyone figured it out.

Yes, that's right. Well, you.

Act like he wasn't in Kentucky Derby in Belmont, obviously.

It was hard to do that. He didn't win the Traverse by a

billion. The I had Byron King on my radio

show on Friday and I gave him the they gave him the the props.

He saw sovereignty in the street sense and said that's my Derby

winner and never. Got up, yeah, he had a number

one and the Derby doesn't for the entirety of the Derby.

When? It started in January until

sovereignty. That's how I introduced him on

Friday. I was like, the guy kind of

knows himself. Yeah, how about that?

What's that? Had him in the future wager in

November. For some reason I didn't.

Really like 20 to one for the Derby.

I I got total one. He was somewhere around 20 to 1

I think he was like a $5 wager up.

He ended up paying around 100 bucks so.

I'm sure you could find a tweet where someone said everyone's

overreacting to that street sense.

Probably this weather, but it's one turn of course that wins.

This is. Never.

Not of course, that wins. This is never going to turn into

something. Not on the 16th isn't 10 per

loans. So oh, I bet those those tweets

are great. We should go find them.

Should we do bad tweets on this show?

Is that like would that be new segment like bad tweets?

Get a sponsor. Throw that together.

Yeah, it'd be fun. I think that.

'D be fun. What's the horse racing what's

the horse racing equivalent of bad tweets?

Who sponsors that in horse racing?

Is it farm paint? We'll leave farm paint alone.

All right, this is blood horse Monday again we'll talk to Kate

hunter Will Walden and Jess sakura today busy show on this

one and our first guest today is a Kate hunter.

We know where is Kate, but Kate she will be she has an

interesting job. She will describe that, but

essentially as the liaison between American tracks and a

bunch of the Japanese outfits. She'll describe the process of

getting over here to the Breeders cup much like she did

for the Derby. But man, a much, much more

complicated scene for sure, as are many, many more races.

And you know I asked her a little bit about, you know,

comparing, you know, convincing Japanese connections to go to

the Breeders cup as opposed to the Derby etcetera.

All of that plus a bunch of plushy talk, here's Kate Hunter.

I really pleased to welcome back to BLOOD HORSE Monday.

Kate Hunter from Japan. I think it's not 9:00 AM where

she is as we tape this ahead of the podcast for Monday, but we

know her as Kava Kate. Of course, she has an

interesting role within North American racing, but certainly

within Japanese racing as well. Kate, good, good morning.

Evening. Where are you?

What's what's going on? What's going on?

Right, I'm in Japan. It's good evening.

It's 10:00 at night there. We.

Go Kate, just a could you please give us the 32nd elevator speech

of what it is that you do for American race tracks?

It's my job to promote and recruit Japanese horses to come

over the United States and then after having convinced them to

come, to then help them do so. Awesome.

Well, we, we talked to you on this podcast back around

Kentucky Derby time, kind of run us through the difference.

Obviously with the Derby, you kind of have these horses going

towards certain prep races. They have to get the points to

qualify. So you can kind of figure out

which horses are pointing for that.

When you're looking at horses to run here in the Breeders Cup,

what is your process throughout the year identifying which

horses might potentially come over?

Well, they're looking at all of the different races throughout

the Japanese season that, you know, match up with distances in

in the Breeders Cup or maybe distances that maybe horses that

run second or third or, or kind of just miss those kinds of

races. Those the kind of horses that I

really want to target. Also, we've got 4 winning Urines

here in Japan, the February Stakes, the Victoria Mile, the

Acid of the Kinen and the Takarazu Kinen.

And so those are winning Urines for the Classic, the Philly and

Mare Turf, the, the Mile and the Turf.

And so those are always, we're, we're always hopeful that those

really big races will, will bring in some big name horses

for us. And, and now that we've got the

winning year end races in both Saudi Arabia and Dubai, that's

going to be I think another really big draw for the Japanese

because they they love their Middle Eastern springs.

Yeah, I was going to say I was talking with Gary Palmisano on

my radio show the other day about that path.

And one of the things I brought up was, I think, frankly, it's

an extension of the Japanese path to the Kentucky Derby

itself. But Speaking of those different

ways and and following up on what Sean just asked Kate, is

there, is there a what is the biggest difference for you at

least talking with trainers connections etcetera there in

Japan about getting a horse to the Derby or getting a horse to

the Breeders Cup? Is 1 easier to sell than the

other? I think they're both what,

what's nice about the, the Breeders Cup is you've got a lot

of diversity there. So you've got a lot of options.

So like there's a like a lot of the horses that I have this

year, they're they're, they're pre entering in two races.

And so some of them are doing turf and dirt, some of them are

doing like, you know, a, a mile and a Sprint.

And so like they, they, they really have some options to kind

of play around with. With the Derby, you're in the

Derby. So it's, it's, I mean, it's,

it's, that's sellable in its own right, 'cause it's the Kentucky

Derby. But with the Breeders Cup, you,

you, you have a nice little menu and that, that the guys really

enjoy to, you know, pick through.

And it also depends a little bit on the racetrack here or there.

So it's like, oh, Southern California, that sounds pretty

nice. Oh, New York.

Oh, OK. So you know, all you, you have

got all of these, you know, extra reasons to come and aside

from, you know, the, the draw of the Kentucky Derby.

So they're both really my job's pretty easy.

Well, Speaking of the Derby horse that we all know from the

Kentucky Derby, last year's Forever Young, he'll be kind of

highlighting the horses coming over from Japan here running in

the Breeders Cup Classic, but he's not the only one coming.

So before we dive into all these different horses, First off,

just tell us how many horses are you guys planning to bring over

from Japan and what is their, what does the quarantine process

and what does that whole process of getting them to California

look like? Well, this year we've got nine

horses coming from Japan and very excited to have everyone

participate. I know some people might be a

little disappointed. It's not 19 for, for me, meet me

personally, from a paperwork perspective, I don't mind.

However, I, I think last year, it was one of those years where,

you know, we, we had just come. It was, we're back at Del Mar

for the first time since they won it.

And I think everyone underestimated the, the term

world championship. So they were all very, they came

in very, very hopeful. And then they was, oh, it's,

it's not a walk in the park. I'm like, oh, no, no, no.

So I think people were a little more careful in their selections

this year. And hey, there's nothing wrong

with that. You know, some years are going

to be, you know, 19 horses and some are going to be 9.

And like, I can deal with that. But so, so far, just yesterday

they entered into quarantine and in their respective training

centers we've got today, it was their first full day.

And so they leave on the 22nd in the morning to fly to to Los

Angeles. And so they'll get in early,

early morning on the on Wednesday into LAX and then

drive down to Delmar. He mentioned Forever Young,

obviously he's going to be coming over for the classic

itself. Winds at Punabashi last out.

Kind of a quieter year from him, a little bit less racing.

Do you think that was the plan for him?

Is he in good form at this point?

So basically, no, it's pretty on par for Japanese.

So most Japanese will run a couple of times in the spring

and then take the summer off and then run again in the fall.

So for a Japanese racehorse, it is very, very standard, which is

also the bane of my existence because all the good horses take

the summer off. And so if it didn't have a very

good spring, then it's really hard to get them to come to the

Breeders Cup or get them into those races.

So I I'm definitely at odds with the Japanese pattern, but

because those the summertime group threes are are are are

really busting me in. But for him doing the Saudi

Dubai thing, usually if you've got a horse that goes to Dubai,

they don't, they don't often race again that summer.

Every once in a while you'll get some horses.

It'll go into the Taco Zucca Quinen like you had Meisha

Tabata do so, but often they do, they'll do the Middle East and

then they're out. They take the summer off to

rebound from the, the, the, the tough trip to fly all the way

out there. And that, that that's quite

standard and, and it's worked very well for the Japanese.

And I, I think that might be why some of the Americans might have

not had quite as good luck because there's so much racing

over the summer coming back from Dubai.

Maybe you know, it's harder to recoup from that, but the but in

that case the the Middle East and and and Japan's pattern work

perfectly together. But so having his two races in

in the Middle East, taking the summer off, prepping in

Funabashi, I think it is ideal. Kate Hunter with us.

I'm Louie Rohit. Sean Collins.

This is a Blood Horse Monday. We're getting ready for a group

of shippers from Japan ahead of the Breeders Cup.

And I wanted to ask Kate, you mentioned some of those spring

win and ends for the Breeders Cup.

Is there a way to not necessarily change how the the

qualification process happens from Japan, but is there a way

to perhaps make it a little more robust in the spring so that we

know who those best runners are? Theoretically, but most of their

spring racing is focused on three-year olds.

And so a lot of those, I'm not sure if the Jerry would be

interested in making those when you're going to be honest with

you, because they're, they really trying to focus and hone,

hone their own future stars. There are, and for like 1 of the

group ones is the Osaka High. That's 2000 meters on the turf.

That doesn't really fit into any particular race at the Breeders

Cup. So the spring's a bit hard,

unfortunately. What, what I, what I do hope in

the future is that the NAR, the dirt circuit in the, in Japan,

they're going to go international grade in a couple

of years. And once they do that, I'm

really hoping that they would be interested in talking with us

about maybe expanding some of the dirt when you're in races,

because there are there is a 10 furlong dirt race over the

summer, the Teo show. There are there's a 1400 meter,

a A7 furlong rated stakes race for Phillies.

There's all sorts of different dirt races we could do, we could

I could ever win. You're in for the dirt mile,

fill in their Sprint Sprint. Like there's all, all of them.

And so that's, that's something that I'm particularly interested

in, in growing in the future that I think will really help,

you know, get, get some good Japanese horses in those those

races. We've definitely seen a lot more

focus on some dirt racing out there in in Japan and partially

because of some of the success that we've seen on the

international stage. Forever Young has been a part of

that. He won the Saudi Derby earlier

this year. We obviously know him here in

the States or excuse me, the Saudi Cup, not the Saudi Derby,

which he did win last year, but he we know him here in the

States from the Kentucky Derby and running in the Breeders Cup

Classic as well. Just how much of an advantage

does that give him having already had all this

international travel? How easily does he adjust now

when he when he gets to Delmar? Well, he's even from when he was

3 and went to Saudi for the first time, He shipped great and

he came out of, even though he ran a hard race in Saudi that

first year, he just, he bounced right back.

And he's just, he's so good at coming out of races in good

shape. I think the only race he was

tired from was actually the Kentucky Derby.

And he had every right to be. So I, I think that when it comes

to shipping, I'm not really concerned.

He knows his job and and he's, I think he's kind of old hat now.

Yeah, for our young sort of take for granted that we see on every

continent running really well. Well, the.

The Japanese commentator in his last race made a joke over the

intercom and it's really rare to see him in Japan so.

That's pretty good. I like that.

What is that like for the Japanese public in that one

opportunity cheer where they do get to see him in Japan?

What was the crowd like for that race a couple weeks ago?

Oh, the crowd was amazing. They were cheering for him.

They were so excited when he won.

Like there was hundreds and hundreds of Forever Young hats

out there when he has to win another Group 1 so they make a

plushie out of him because that will be the fastest selling

plushie since Ushba Tesoro. They can't just go ahead and

move that up. He's not popular enough yet.

I, I literally emailed the, the JRA about it directly to their,

their little plushie department and I was like, Hey, are you

making one? And they're like, Oh no, he has,

he has to win two too. And even though he, I thought he

had one too. Nope, Nope, doesn't count the

NAR. It doesn't count.

You got to win an International 1.

So that's why he has to win the Breeders Cup Classic this year.

Because I need a plushy. Are you plushy worthy or not?

These are the questions asked on Blood Horse Monday.

A couple of other horses that will be making the trip on the

Philly and Mare side are Alice Verite and I don't know if it's

Argine or our Our Giant or Our Gene or what it might be, but a

couple of horses that may end up in the Distaff but are slated to

run on the grass at this point. The the multiple surfaces thing,

is this just hey, we, we want to fit in where we can fit or are

these horses that can can perform a boat?

Well, I guess in Japanese already new, she's her first

preference is in the mile because that that's how she's

performed up till now. She's by Lord Kunaloa.

So you know that that Sprint mile distance is pretty good for

her. But they have they are really

sincerely considering the distaff.

I thought maybe it was throw off kind of a throw away kind of.

We just want to make sure we get the run kind of a mentality

cause unfortunately due to due to Group 3 ratings in Japan,

she's kind of on that cusp there of getting into the mile.

But they do seem legitimately interested in the distaff and so

I would be really excited to see her because I would love to see

Lord Caneloa on on American style dirt.

Well, she's coming off of that Group three win at Sapporo last

time. Just how is the grading system

different over there in Japan? You've mentioned it a couple

times where you maybe only have the grade threes or the grade

twos. It seems like that there's a

fewer amount of maybe some of these graded races than we have

over here in the US. Yeah, there's actually a lot,

there are a lot of group threes and they're kind of they're

they're, I think in in this in the way the Japanese do it.

I think a Group 3 is, is a true group 3A, group 2 is a true

group 2 and a Group 1 is a true Group 1.

So like, you know, it's a lot harder to be a Group 3 horse to

win a Group One race then it would be probably anywhere else

just because there's just not enough of them.

Like in Japan on the turf, there's only two Group 1 Sprint

races on the turf, but there's only two that's all you got.

And so like, you know, it, it, it takes a, it takes a special

horse to be able to pull those things off.

And some horses been able to win both the spring and the fall

one. That's an even harder feat.

So like it. It's the whole pattern while

limiting. I think is is a is a good test

of of horses abilities. American stage, another one of

those horses that'll likely be making the trip here.

Son of Into Mischief. We saw him at Maidana a couple

of times, a good second in the Grade 3 Mahab Al Shamal there.

Last saw him in there at the Fuji Namori at Kyoto as well.

What does he bring? Is he, is he up to the snuff of

the American Springs this year? Well, he's an exciting little

colt and he he's little, he's adorable.

He's yeah, he and, and he's also kind of small and compact, but

he ran really, really well in Dubai.

I was really proud of him. You know, given the fact he was,

he was a three-year old in the spring, early spring up against

older horses in a Group One race.

I thought he ran a phenomenal in the golden Shaheen.

I'm I'm very I was, I was sincerely proud of him.

So I, I think that, you know, having, having the cobwebs

knocked off him here in Kyoto, I think he'll be in, in pretty

good shape. And people keep telling me the

sprint's wide open. So hopefully it'll be his stage

to take. Wide open, I know you have

dragon welds potentially for that race as well, but there's

some question depending on how many horses enter, whether or

not he'll make it in. If he does make it into the

race, what could we expect from him?

It seems like he'd be kind of stepping up in competition here.

Yeah, he's, he's stepping up quite a bit.

He's technically just kind of an allowance grade horse in the

United States. And so the, the, the trainer's

kind of taking a gamble on the fact that the race doesn't

particularly fill, which obviously sounds very negative,

but they, they feel the horse one, one of the problems with

foreign bred horses in Japan is that about 40% of the races

they're not allowed to run in. They're protected to protect the

Japanese breeding industry. And so foreign bred horses

aren't allowed to enter. So they have got a much narrower

view of races to either debut in or to until they get to the, to

the open class, 40% of all of those races are unavailable to

them. So he had really hasn't been

able to find his spot very well. He's been kind of in situations

that are less ideal or they haven't been able to get him up

to his peak. And so this is the trainer feels

that they're going to be able to give him a, a unique opportunity

to be able to to rise to the level they think he actually is.

You mentioned that foreign bread there.

He is bred here in Kentucky, a son of Frosted from Willow Oak

Stable. Another foreign bread that you

guys have pointing towards the Breeders Cup is Invincible Papa.

He's from bread in Australia. What could you tell us about

him? I believe the Turf Sprint's what

he's targeting, right? Yes, he's, he's a, he's a strong

boy. I'm hoping that the 1000 meters

will suit him quite well, you know, given given the Aussie

speed. So he's he, he, he could, he

could be a lot of fun to see in that race.

Yeah. And I believe he's joined by

Pure Magic as a potential runner in that race as well, correct?

Yes, she is suffering from a bit of of the Group 3 Itis that I

was mentioning before she's got she actually raced in the lone

1000 meter turf Sprint group three that they have here that

the five furlong race that they have here in Japan and she won

it in record time. So I'm really hoping that the

panel will consider that over her, her her very, very low

rating of one O 60. Actually it was one O 4 that she

got in that race. So it, it kind of shows you

rating wise how they how the Japanese kind of see their, I

mean, I, I think they're probably rating it in truth and

like they're probably the most honest in their rating system

out of anywhere else in the world.

And so like that's that that might be how they actually feel.

She is based on the rest of the Japanese horses.

But you know, you don't win that kind of a, you know, that kind

of a race at that kind of setting a record if you don't

have talent. And she ran pretty good in

Dubai. And so it's, it's a shame she

didn't get a better run in the Sprinter Stakes.

But the whole makeup of Nakayama, it's one of those

places that's probably not going to suit.

It's kind of hard on sprinters because as you go up, as you go

down the stretch, there's a sharp incline.

And so you are sprinting for your life because you're like in

the last, like, you know, 2 furlongs and then you got to go

uphill and you will see so many horses like in the lead hit

that. And then all of a sudden someone

from behind comes up and beats them because they can't, they

can't handle it. Well, in the in the Distaff

division as well, we had Alice Verite.

Verite, she was in the race last year in the Breeders Cup Distaff

and she finished fourth. So she's one that we have seen

before. She hasn't hit the board yet in

her starts yet this year, but how is she coming into the race?

I think she's doing pretty good for me, her while it wasn't the

best finish, if you go back and re watch her Victoria mile where

she gets she just breaks on the lead and just runs rampant.

I thought she was going to win it like basically up until the

final furlong, it looked like she was going to win it.

So it was it was it was pretty impressive.

Like I was sitting there because like for the for that race we

present winning your in trophy and all that stuff, and I'm

watching like, Oh my God, hell, let's go for it, girl.

It was, it was, it was pretty awesome to watch, But you know,

I, I think if she can bring that sharpness and speed into the

distaff, you know, I, I think it'll really suit her well.

All right, Well, we know it's getting laid out there in Japan

today, much, much later today. So I did want to ask before we

get you out of here, about the American Pharaoh move to, I want

to get this right to the Shizu Nai Stallion station, of course,

in partnership with Cool More America.

As a guy who wants to see more dirt racing around the world,

I'm really excited about this. But certainly we've also seen

the Pharaohs be really good on the grass as well.

Is there an excitement about him coming to stud in Japan?

Oh, absolutely. I mean, the the Japanese have

been sending mayors to the United States just to breed to

him. And then a lot of the mayors

they would buy at Keeneland, they would also then basically

immediately take to American Pharaoh when they brought them

back into the country. So like he, he's, he's been

everyone's kind of go to for, for a while for those, you know,

reliable winners over here in the United States, over here in

Japan. So I think it's, it's awesome.

Like I, I, I remember a couple years back, there was an, I, I

had heard a rumor that a Kumar stallion was going to be sold to

Japan. I'm like American Pharaoh.

And, and then it was, and then I was like, wait for it,

Caravaggio. What I was not expecting that,

but I'm I'm I'm, I'm really excited.

I think so. Are, you know, all the Japanese

breeders and future owners of all of these horses to have him

come over here and to be available, even if it's just for

a short period of time, he's going to be a very, very, very

busy boy. She's.

David, Kate. Kate Hunter.

Got you. Speaking of Pharaoh, I know we

had. We had Luxor Cafe in the

Kentucky Derby this year, also had Meyer Daytona and the Derby

this year. Any updates on just how they're

doing out there in Japan post Kentucky Derby?

Yeah, Luxor ran in the Japan, well, they both actually ran in

the Japan Dirt Classic. That's the race that for every

young one last year before going to the Breeders Cup.

And neither of them one particular ran particularly

well. But that was kind of their first

race after or very, also very long layoff.

And unfortunately the the the horse that was up for the very

first Japan Dirt Triple Crown lost as well.

Natural rise. He finished second.

So it's kind of a disappointing across the board.

But no, they they both came out of their races very healthy and

so they'll be pointed to other things later in the year.

There was a brief hot moment where Daytona was thinking about

coming for over for the dirt Mile.

But I they said, you know, after his race, they're like, you

know, I think we want to they want to focus on going to Dubai

next year and then after and maybe qualify for the the

Breeders Cup over there. Awesome.

All right, I'm a liar. One more question about about

the Derby, said Sean brought it up.

The expansion of that at that Middle Eastern program,

especially races on the Arabian Peninsula, should we expect to

see just a ton of Japanese runners in those races?

Well, you already do. So it's it, they're, they're,

it's, they're basically going to be rewarded for their patron

patronage now. So, yeah, the, the, the Japanese

love the Saudi Derby. And I think that it's going to

be one of those races that, you know, in, in tandem with the UA

Derby is really going to create an awesome second, maybe third

channel for Japanese horses to, to, to get into the get into the

Kentucky Derby. I'm hoping some will start once,

once we get a couple of USDA rules changed, I'm hoping to

maybe try and get some Japanese over here for more prep races in

the United States. Maybe see a couple more Mandarin

heroes out there. And then between the Japan Rd.,

the American road and the the Middle Eastern Rd., hopefully

the Japanese will finally get that Derby win here in the next

couple years. Maybe get all 20 in the starting

gate now too. That is.

What I'm looking for, if I can get 1/4 of the field, that'll

really kind of, you know, up, up the odds that I'm going to get a

Japanese winner and then I can die happy.

So like that's I just, yeah. You get 1/4 of the field in the

Kentucky Derby. I've heard they'll make a

plushie of you. That's that would be a very ugly

little doll. I would not recommend buying

that one. Going to be half off bin very.

Quickly. Very quickly.

So so with this whole plushy rule, so if a Japanese horse

wins the Derby and that's their only great one, they don't get a

plushy just off winning the Derby.

There's no exception for that. There are exceptions.

There's a whole list of rules for plushy them.

So there's a there's a certain races in Japan that are

automatic plushy Oaks Derby, Japan Cup, Autima Kinen 10,

Osho. Those are like the the big

temple races in Japanese racing. You win one of those bam,

plushy. But for everything else you got

to win too. So so like there there is there

is a bar to clear. Sean, whatever we have to do for

the graphics for you know, the promo of this episode, Bam,

plushy needs to be on there. I just like that needs to be on

there. That's the thing that I learned

today. She's Kate hunter.

We call her Kate, but Kate we'll see her Adele bar of course for

the bring us up Kate. Thanks so much for jumping on

again. We appreciate it.

Thanks. Take care there.

You go Kate, always kind enough to join us.

Sean hopefully will become a multiple time per year guest as

we move forward with this thing. All right, thanks to Kate Hunter

for joining us here on the program.

Any big take away other than plushy talk obviously.

I'm not ready for the plushy talk.

I'm still just amazed that to think that had Forever Young

been a couple noses ahead of where he finished in the

Kentucky Derby, there would not have been a plushy of him until

he won the Saudi Cup. That still just blows my mind.

Did she not say that that was an automatic?

Was one of the contestants. She mentioned the Japanese races

where like the Japanese Derby in a couple, like the classics over

there and I'm one. I mean, obviously you're right.

We've never, we've never seen a Japanese horse with the Derby.

So I'm wondering whether or not the Kentucky Derby would fall

into. That no, it's an important

question. If we're going to talk plushies,

it's an important question. I'm with you.

Such a ridiculous conversation. I've been talking about this

ever since we had that conversation.

A couple of days, I'm with you. It's been.

Suing in my mind. I would say that my brain says

it's forever young and a bunch of dudes.

You went to Louisville, I'm sure you remember a couple of years

ago Booger McFarland at ESPN said it is Lamar Jackson and a

bunch of dudes. By the way, he was right.

Dude won the Heisman and they won nine games, something like

that. OK.

In this case, is that do you think of the Japanese contingent

as as forever young and a bunch of?

Dudes, I mean, it definitely seems like that, it feels.

Good. But we thought that a couple

years ago, the Breeders Cup as well.

It's just that. How to prove this wrong?

You know, we went into that the 2021 breeders just kept

thinking, all right, loves only use a real shot.

Maybe they can win that. She ends up winning that and

it's like, all right, Japan got their win and then boom,

Marshall Lorraine ends up winning kind of, you know, a

shocker in the in the distaff. So could we have that

opportunity again this year? We'll see.

As Kate mentioned, you know, it's it's a little bit more

difficult to get grade ones on some of these types of horses.

And so you have a lot of horses who are maybe these grade 3

level horses over there who are now kind of they're looking to

see maybe we could step up and maybe we can run it, run in this

spot. And so that seems to be what

most of them are coming over. But we've seen March Lorraine do

it. So why can't we see it again?

And going into the spring, we talked about that expansion of

the, the essentially the Middle Eastern route and the move by

the Kentucky Derby to move more of those races away from the

European route and more into the Arabian Peninsula, whether it be

in UAE or in Saudi. And essentially I, she had the

same attitude that you and I did either offer her on the show.

I can't remember now, but it just more opportunities for

Japanese horses. Yeah, she obviously agrees with

that. Yes, definitely.

I mean you've seen how much they've really put into going

into going to the Middle East. We saw Forever Young do it last

year where he was in the Saudi Derby 1st and then the UAE

Derby. And so now that you can actually

get the points in those races, I think that definitely is going

to that's going to lead to a lot more of that kind of

participation with the Japanese horses.

You're probably going to see a couple more 3 year olds start

making the trip. If you're one of those Japanese

trainers that has a, you know, a top quality horse that's running

in the Saudi Cup itself, that's running in some of those

undercard races for the older horses, why not throw your 3

year old in there, run the Saudi Derby and then just stay there,

come back in those races in Dubai.

All right, important question and we'll wrap up the Kate

Hunter stuff. Who is plushy worthy of Blood

Horse I think we start with Anne, right?

Anne is blood is plushy worthy, right?

All the great photographs and all the.

I think the great stuff. That's a good idea to to mention

the editor of this program. It's a good job by you.

Yes. Does does Byron get in because

he had sovereignty beginning to end of the Derby Dozen?

I think he does. I don't know.

You don't think he has to do. You don't think back it up

again. He's got to do it second, start

to finish one. I mean we need two grade ones in

order. Is that only one grade one in

his career? We'll have to go.

We'll have to have a historical review here on the Budget

Committee. What?

A ridiculous question. Oh, bad.

Who's like a dark horse plushy candidate?

And man, is it Pete? Pete.

I think so. Yeah, it might be Pete.

Holding down the daily for us. That's it, man.

I'm telling you, like just just the the behind the scenes folks

to make everything go. That's what it is.

You know what I mean? And all that.

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No better way than that. Let's talk to wool.

We we did this last week and finally got a hold of what we've

been trying to have on the show for sure since rhetorical

qualified. He's a busy.

Man. No kidding.

And so no, and, and you and I understand that.

And I think that's something when you're, when you get to sit

on this side of things that we really appreciate is look, we're

we're busy for sure, but whatever.

There's a different kind of busy in the horse business for sure,

especially in the training side. And so Will's one of those guys,

great story. We got into a lot of different

things with him from the horses, his childhood relationships, of

course, Riley Mott. We think of Miguel Cuomo as

well. It's just that, you know, just

that that camaraderie between them all and got to ask about

group chats, all kinds of fun stuff, so.

Famous roommate, which will hold in suspense.

You know what? That's underrated.

Underrated interview. Here's Will Walden from his

house. All right, please to welcome in

trainer Will Walden to the program here on Blood Horse

Monday. Sean Collins, Lou Rebeau hanging

out with you. Will, good afternoon.

How are you doing? Good, good.

Thanks for having me on. Guys, yeah, no problem at all.

You came up in a horse racing family and I always ask people

because Sean and I are from not horse racing families.

And so we'd love to find out from folks like you that got to

grow up around the sport and in the sport, how it affected you

in as far as, you know, deciding to do this for a career,

etcetera, growing up with your dad, with your grandfather,

etcetera. Did that set you on this path,

you think? Were you always going to be a

horse trainer? Yeah, it's definitely a good

icebreaker at parties, too. Good way to make friends.

Yeah, No, I I was actually telling somebody about it last

week. Like I grew up, you know, kind

of running around my dad's shed Rd. like we would.

I'd come to the barn with him on Saturday morning, Sunday

mornings, would try Monday mornings, but he forced me to go

to school. But, you know, I, I think I

probably took it for granted. You know, like we grew up, we,

my dad would train in Payson over the winter.

So that's where like, I started a friendship.

I was childhood friends with Riley Mont and Miguel Clamont

because their dads both trained at Payson.

And we'd link up over there and we'd link up down there over the

winter and, you know, just run around.

But I, I didn't really understand, really appreciate

what I had, I don't think. My dad retired from training in

2004. So I was 14 and I kind of felt

like I got gypped. I was, I was, I was pretty upset

with him for the, the first year or two of his retirement because

I was going to have it made. I was going to be able to kind

of, you know, work my way through his program and, and

hopefully, you know, get the education that that that was

offered there. And I remember him telling me at

the time that it was the best thing that could have happened

to to me because it wood forest me to go out of my own and find

I would be able to get jobs because of my last name and

obviously being associated with him.

But he said you're going to get to learn from 23456 different

quality trainers out there. Whereas if it were, if I was

still training, you'd only get to learn my way.

And usually, as he is, in hindsight, he was right.

It was so look, it was, it was great growing up.

I mean, I couldn't have, I couldn't ask for a better

childhood and wouldn't have chosen it any other way.

Trainer Will Walden with us. You mentioned that childhood and

then having to go out on your own and figure it out on your

own, as you mentioned. Was there someone else in your

in your history that helped out with that process?

As far as like who did I work for?

Yeah, who? Who did you work for?

Who'd you come up, and who else did you learn from?

Because you said, hey, my dad was right.

I learned from other people. Who'd you learn from?

Well, and you know what, like I still got to learn from my dad

because all these other things I learned from these other guys.

I was I was bouncing off him. Todd Pletcher was a huge mentor.

Got to work in his program. I still have setlist from like

back in 2014, 2015, just because it's wild to look at like the

set, the the the quality of horses that was in that was in a

shed row at the time, still is, but really learned kind of the

business, I guess side of things and and just how to deal with

people, how to be a professional.

I wasn't at the time, not even close, but I got to watch Todd

and learn kind of how he move maneuvered around the shed row

in the morning and his horses and the the discipline that he

he implemented in his own program in high school.

My dad would come to me the last week of school and he would say,

he would say, where you going this summer?

And I'd lied. I remember the first year he did

it, I, I looked up at him because I was, we just, they

just put in a pool and I was looking for, I was going to have

my buddies over and we were kicked back by the pool all

summer long. And he said, he said, you better

be out of here 24 hours after school ends and I don't want you

back here till 48 hours before it starts.

And I would go up in the summers and I'd live with, with Bill

Mott and his family son Riley and his, his his long time

employee Irma was we're roommates and in his basement

and got to really learn the horsemanship side of things from

Bill. He's such a tremendous horseman

and his knowledge of the game and just, I don't know, the

little lady idiosyncrasies that come along with these, these

magnificent animals and athletes he put picks up on.

And he was just able to really like watch and try to mirror the

way he did things. Worked for Wesley Ward, Jonathan

Shepherd, Dale Romans and, you know, I'd say a guy I learned

from a lot that I've never worked for.

Brad Cox training alongside him at at Keeneland and now

Churchill. Brad's tremendous at what he

does, picking out spots for horses and just kind of, I guess

the one thing, you know, not being afraid to expose horses in

the morning so that you know what you got.

I think that's probably the most valuable lesson I've learned

from him because you know, in in my infant mind coming into

training, you think, well, you got a horse that's working good

and you want to protect that image in your mind.

You want to protect it week in and week out.

And you're doing the horse of the service and you're doing

yourself a disservice. And ultimately you're doing the

owners of the service too. Don't be afraid to put these

things. Don't be afraid to put the A's

of the A's. The B's are the B's and the C's

are the C's. And kind of let iron sharpens

iron and and let these horse figure.

Let these horses figure it out for themselves in the morning.

Well, all those lessons that you learned have paid off in the

form of rhetorical when he got you your first Grade One win a

few weeks ago in the Turf Miles Stakes up at Keeneland.

Just take us through that race. He was a New York bred facing

open company and stakes and open stakes company for the first

time. What went into the decision and

gave you the confidence to run him in that spot?

Well, I got to give you know, a lot of the credit to to Adam

Wachtel and and Gary Barber and Everett Dobson who owned the

horse and you know, they're they're hands on and we had

several discussions about what to do with him over the summer

and the plan went a little bit awry.

In our first go at Saratoga. We plan on running twice, the

first being a New York bred 2 of the van allowance race which he

was entered. I was, I was at a BBQ the night

before that party or the day, the afternoon before that race

and it rained for literally 1520 minutes.

That was it. I mean it came down heavy, but

15 or 20 minutes and I didn't think there was any way they

were going to take the races off the turf the next day they did.

So he was he was one to two in that race and kind of laid over

the field and when they brought it back on the overnight, nobody

went back in there. So he's eligible at this point

for the New York bred two other than which he was entered in.

He's eligible for the open first level allowance and he's open.

He's eligible for the open two other than allowance.

I didn't like the distance for the open a other than allowance.

They were all on the overnight every all three of these races

were on there on the grass, which is rare.

Usually you don't get them all in the same overnight and I

chose to go in the two other than open allowance because it

was written at a mile on the 16th, which I liked better for

him than a mile and 1/8, which is what the open allowance is

written at. And you know, we had the

discussion, me and Adam and Gary and Everett and you know, there

was a little he and Han about do we, I mean, we're jumping 2

levels here, then we have to. And we had discussed like the

fall campaign for this horse. And I said, look, you know, if

he's as good as we think he is, then this shouldn't, it really

shouldn't matter. And we need to, you know, we've

got 3-4 races under 3 races under his belt.

You know, we need to, we need to continue on.

It's been six weeks since his last race.

So he went in there, he won the two other than.

And then once we figured out we're going to go in the West

Point, we had kind of mapped out the Coolmore Turf Mile as let's

see what he's really made of. And if we're good enough, we'll

go to the Breeders Cup. And if not, then he's always

going to be in New York bred. He came back from Saratoga and

started training at Churchill and Saratoga beat him up a

little bit. Be honest with you.

I was, you know, a little bit leery of where you know, if I

was going to if we're go do the cool more turf mile based on how

it came out of Saratoga. And after 10 days of Churchill,

I mean, just every marker you look for in horses to see how

they're doing just started to go vertical really, really quick.

And then we got him back on the work tab and his works were

tremendous. I mean, week in and week out, he

just kept coming with it, bringing it, bringing it,

telling us he was ready. So there was no hesitation.

The only concern was if we were going to get in because we had

New York bred stakes earnings as opposed to anybody else that

nominated. Most everybody had more more

credentials than we did because state bred earnings is only a

level above allowance horses. So anyways, it all worked out in

the end. How did he come out of that race

and are we indeed heading to Delmar?

Great. Yeah, no, he came out good.

I mean, ultimately we'll let him answer the question in the next

couple weeks, but as far as you know, the first hoop you jump

through when picking the next spot is how did he come out of

the race? He's come out of the race very

good looks great on the road and on the track.

You know, we'll we'll breeze him and you know, obviously see how

he exits that and then go from there.

But yeah, it's right. Now all systems are go.

Is he at Churchill? Will he work at Churchill this

weekend? Yeah, no, he's not going to work

this week and we'll work him next weekend.

Got. It OK Will Walden with us

trainer Will Walden. The other story coming out of

that race of course was a connection with a man named

Frank Taylor. And you have been very open

about your path through of recovery from alcohol and drug

use and those kinds of things. But this was a pretty special

moment, Will. We could hear it in your voice,

in the winner's circle. Can you take us back to that

moment, maybe talk about Frank? Just what rhetorical means?

Does it put a bow on on a chapter of your life?

Yeah, no, it does Frank. I think a lot some people know

how important influential, I mean, insert, insert the the

adjectives form. But the bottom line is I

wouldn't have been able to start training if it weren't for

Frank. I was at a program here in in

town in Lexington, KY, and Frank and Christian counselor who was

running the program at the time, it kind of paired together and

started seeing like, hey, can we implement recovery and equine

therapy and make something out of it.

And they were in kind of the kind of the, the early stages of

that for the probing stages, I guess you'd save trying to

figure out. And so Frank was, and he had, he

had a nephew, Josh Brian, who who actually passed away this

year was in the program with me, who is a very close friend and,

you know, just a, a terrible loss this year.

But so Frank was was coming around the house a bit.

My very first job was prepping your links for TaylorMade when I

was 15 years old. So I'd met Frank then and I'd

worked a couple sales for TaylorMade.

But other than that, we really didn't have much relationship

for no other reason. And we just are passed didn't

cross that much. I was race track even sales.

So we started to kind of develop a connection and I was they an

idea hit me one day about taking they write, write these auction

races in Kentucky and and other places.

I just thought about, you know, I've been talked to a few people

that had had a bunch of horror stories with the with trying to

pin hook your links to the 2 year old sales.

And I was thinking, well, what's the reason for that?

And what I could come up with? What I just came up with was

that it was probably because when you pick a 2 year old sale,

the horses now on your schedule as opposed to races when you're

on their schedule. I said well what if you took

them past the two year old sales and you pen hooked them off

these auction races? So I pitched the idea to Frank

and he loved it and he put in a lot of his own money and then

raised a lot of the rest and got us paid up like with the

purchase prices of these horses. Ten horses for 50,000 or less

and then all the bills that would incur for I believe we had

it build up to about 16 months. We got the 10.

We broke him at TaylorMade till the weather broke.

We me a guy named Mike Lowry who runs, he's a farm manager for

TaylorMade, runs Diamond A division and Tyler Maxwell that

that works and rides out at Windstar Farm.

We were all graduated from this program in Kentucky.

Not one of us had driver's licenses.

I remember we had Mike's fiance get in my Explorer and drive us

all the way down there. And then we put her on a plane

and sent her back home and we just started to break these

horses. And Tyler never ridden, Mike had

never groomed, and I've never trained.

But we made it through at Becky Thomas's beautiful facility down

there in Ocala, Winding Oaks. And we came back to Keeneland

and we had our first starter which was which was named after

Co founder of stable recovery, Christian counselor horses named

Sergeant counselor. He's a Bolt Dioro we paid 45,000

for. He ran 3rd and it wasn't, I

don't know, 3 weeks later we got our first win with dazzling

Dominique at Churchill. But I say all that to say,

without Frank, you know, supporting the idea because I'd

burn every bridge in the industry that I had walked over

and rightly so, like nobody would give me an opportunity and

I couldn't blame him. But Frank was willing to see

past all that and think about the bigger picture and gave us

an opportunity and to win the cool to have our first grade one

be by a stallion that that he stands and and obviously I don't

think not this time needed rhetorical to win to bump his

stud fee or to stay in business, but it.

Was. It was.

It was certainly cool to experience that with Frank.

Well, you mentioned that, you know, you felt like you've maybe

burned, burned every bridge along that path.

But now that you're a couple years into training, you have

the grade one win, you're getting set up to have your

first Breeders' Cup starter here in a few weeks.

Just how was how was that change now as you've started to kind of

kind of get your training career put together?

Yeah, we don't forget where we came from and that's a part of,

you know, work in a a solid program in order to maintain

sobriety is don't get too big for your own shoes and stay

right sized and stay in contact with that support group.

And we do that barn is done really well.

And I've got my assistants, Leslie House and Amy De Lasi to

thank for that. They do a fantastic job.

You know, they're the boots on the ground along with some

tremendous grooms, outstanding riders and just great people

that we have in the barn that make up this team that is

dedicated to get these horses there on big days and small

days. We run about as many on Monday

as we do any other day. So I, I, I just want to, you

know, give the credit to them because they deserve it.

And, and they're the ones that are, that are in the trenches

every day, allowing us to pick spots for these horses where

they can be successful in the afternoon.

But no, the, the barn is, is done really well this year.

And, you know, we're just going to kind of hopefully continue to

roll that momentum into next. You have a, a maiden special

starter coming up named Bunsante and I don't know if Shawn knows

his French these days, but it just, it means good health and

will, I can't think of a better horse for you buddy.

So like, what can you tell us about Bud Sante?

We're always, we're always looking for 2 year olds in

maidens this time of year for sure.

Yeah, no, she's talented. She kind of tipped her hand

early at Keeneland. I think there's a a 46 and

change half mile in there somewhere and she tipped herself

as being pretty precocious. I thought she ran well in her

first start. I thought Tyler Gafflione won

the race out of the gate from the outside post.

We broke out of the I don't know if we're the one or, or just the

first 3 post positions. We're we're drawn inside and and

he broke a step faster than we did and Louis was going for a

spot and Tyler had clearance and took the spot and took control

of the race. Bon Sante was a little bit keen

and behind horses and probably I think wasted a little bit of

that late kick down the backside.

Just being green like nothing, nothing malicious.

Just being a first time starter. She's trained really well out of

the race and we're looking forward to getting her out

there. She draws better maintains Louis

and you know, looking for her to to step up tomorrow.

You mentioned earlier when when you were a kid how you spent

some time with Riley Mott and with Miguel Clemont.

Now seeing kind of all you guys coming up around the same time

and having the success that you are kind of the next generation

of horsemen from horsemen that we've already known over the

years. What kind of pride do you guys

take in that? Do you guys still keep in touch

and kind of as you're all kind of working your way through

this? Yeah, I had a sleepover at

Riley's house last week. Swear, swear to God.

We believe you. Yeah.

What's that group chat like? What's that like?

It's, you know, I just, I'll only speak for me.

I'm super proud of both of them. You know what Miguel's, what

both of them have gone through Miguel this year and Riley last

year for them to to hold their heads high and, you know, aside

from training, just maintain this character and composure

that they walk around with. They're both total class.

And you know, I've learned a lot from them and, you know, just

couldn't be more prouder of who they are as men and, and human

beings. And then you add training.

I mean, Riley's won two grade ones this year.

He's got a juvenile going to the the Breeders Cup and has just

done. A fantastic job spotting his

horses, maintaining a stable and and just, you know, continually

progressing. And Miguel, who was you talk

about being thrown into the fire, you know, getting handed a

stable of of the size that he got heading into the the one of

the world's toughest meets, probably next to Royal Ascot to

win a race. And, you know, I mean, he he

killed it still is. And just so proud of him.

You know, like I said, I can remember when, when me, Riley,

Miguel, Ryan and Kevin Bond and my brother, we're all playing.

There was an empty lot next to Vicky Oliver's barn at pace.

And we're playing tackle football out there, you know,

8:00 in the morning. And just to see the way

everybody's growing up materialized.

It's it's just been really cool to see you can be a part of.

You also mentioned that you were once roommates with the

legendary Irma Scott. Did she try to give you as many

carrots as she tries to give sovereignty while you were there

with her? For the important.

Question. Not not even close.

I so we had rooms next to each other and we shared a bathroom,

which is where the problem lied. And.

She had the shower was I was 6 foot, I'm 6 foot 5 and the

shower was about 7 feet in height.

So like I couldn't dry off in there.

Like I just couldn't, I couldn't move.

And it it was like a broom closet.

And then she had this tiny little bath mat outside that

would look like it was like 1 foot by half a foot is what it

felt like. So I and Ebony, we get water all

over the bathroom floor and I heard about it every single day.

I mean, she read me the riot act every day because I just, I just

couldn't. She asked me if I just get out

and shake and walk in my room and but look she I needed that

I. Needed that.

You can't. You can't say anything.

Yeah. No, no, I needed that.

What? Yeah.

What was I going to say to her? I, I need, I, I needed that.

And you know, I, I, Irma just had a birthday 2 days ago, so I

was able to call her this weekend and wish her happy

birthday. And she's up there in Saratoga

with the big horse and, but she'll be cheering on all of us

come Breeders' Cup. You can believe that.

Well, well, we'll get you out of here on this and it is Breeders'

Cup related. What do you think you'll be

thinking about in the walk over with rhetorical at the Breeders

Cup? What's going through your mind

that day? Save ground.

Save ground. Save ground.

Yeah. I don't know, it's, you know,

like I'd love to, I'd love to get sentimental and stuff about

stuff and it would probably add, I'm sure my family and the

people around me at the time would love I just relax a little

bit. But when it's the walk over, I

mean, it's game day and, and I'll be locked in hopefully,

just like the horses I'll be what I'll be thinking is I hope

this horse doesn't drag me around the paddock like he's

done the last three, three starts, because I'll be on his

head. So no, I mean it'll, it'll be

it'll be, you know, locked in and, and and ready for game day.

And look, I mean, I know it's going to be a tougher race.

I know the, I mean all the respect to of the Europeans that

are going to come over there and the, the US horses that will be

in there. But at the same time, we're not

trading spots with anybody. His horse has done nothing wrong

and is continued to step up to the plate and done everything

we've asked of him. And as long as he's willing,

we'll continue to ask. You know, we won't, we'll let

him, like I said earlier, we're going to let him dictate where

he runs and when he's ready to go.

And as long as he's given us the signs, you know, he's been, he's

been pretty tough to stop. He's Grade 1 winner and trainer

Will Walden joined us here. Odd Blood Horse Monday will

thank you from me personally. Thank you for sharing your story

and your journey. I appreciate it very much and

all the best. And hopefully we will run into

you at Del Mar, my friend. Thanks, Louis.

I appreciate it, Sean. Thank you.

Take care, will. Thank you, Will Blood Horse

Monday, Sean. We'll continue on with the show

after this. Thanks to trainer Will Walden.

Appreciate him. And I said at the end of the

the, the interview there, Sean, I do appreciate him sharing

that. You know, his personal story has

been very open about it. To win on stable recovery day at

Keeneland is a remarkable, remarkable thing.

But sports seems to offer that to us so, so often.

Horse racing, no different that way.

Rhetorical. What do you make of rhetorical

in the Mile? I mean, I think he's got as good

a shot as anybody. Especially the American runners,

yeah. I mean, he can't.

He stepped up big time into the into the great company in a

grade one company after running against New York Threads and he

looked really good doing it. And he's one of those horses

where Will took his time getting like he didn't.

He knew he had talent, but he didn't just throw him into the

deep end. He worked his way up getting to

the point where he was ready for that competition and he

succeeded at it. So I I see no reason why to

think that he could not continue that success moving forward

toward the Breeders Cup. Best chance, I thought in a

while, on the American side last two years, frankly, with runners

including Johannes last year who almost won the thing last year.

Rhetorical strikes me Is that kind of of horse, and I think

he's at that level and frankly, if he runs this race, he's got a

real shot. And he's speaking right now

that's exactly what you want going into that race.

That's right. All right.

Well, Speaking of Speaking of peaking at the right time, just

to curl with us from Hill and Dale Farms, of course, head of

the sale there at Keeneland. Just come in, how are you?

Everything's good, Sir. I I was jumping in.

I thought I should mute my mic and turn off the camera there so

I wasn't used. No, you're totally right.

You eavesdrop all you want. Thanks for joining us here on

Blood Horse Monday. Busy time of year for you all,

huh? Yeah, Pretty busy time just

after this, going to run back over to the October sale and

getting ready for a big couple sales here in November that

we're pretty excited about. Yeah.

Well, the King 1N breeding stock sales, definitely a big one you

guys have coming up here. How do you guys at Hillandale,

how do you prepare for one of these big broodmare sales like

this? How are you selecting which

mayors you think will be some of your best options to turn a

profit? You know what, I think we spend

a lot of time every day looking at results throughout the year.

We and I think we kind of try to compose a group that works for

us and what we've horses we're excited and passionate about

representing and are going to be attractive to the public.

And a lot of items that we think if we we are buyers would

interest us that would interest other people.

And we give a great job. We do a great job at

representing clients. So really just day-to-day

trying, following, following Phillies and mares and having an

opinion on what would do well at the sale and kind of attacking

going after them. What is it about the Keeneland

sale that's that makes it the best spot for you all to land?

You know, the Keeneland sale for the group of mares we have is I

think the best spot because they fit in really, really well.

And we've, I think us along with Keeneland have done a great job

organizing which books we should put them in.

I believe that our Phillies mares and Weenlinks are all very

well placed for this coming year.

So and every buyer in the world from small to large is there.

So I think it's a great spot. Well, let's get into some of

these offerings that you guys have.

We'll start with Richie, who you guys have part ownership in.

She's one of the more consistent runners in the distaff division

out there in California this year.

Just how excited are you guys to be offering her and what do you

think the market will be for her?

Yeah, we're really excited. I think the I think the market

will be vast for her. She was very she's a Grade 1

winner and Chile champion came up here, multiple graded states

winner, grade 2 winner, became very close to winning a grade

one there in California, but had to face arguably one of the best

Phillies in the entire division. Cavallari just came up and got

her, so I think she'll be looked at as a as a prime prospect in

the sale and we're excited to offer and really proud of the

ride she took us on during her venture here in the US.

Yeah, daughter, a practical joke there for sure.

She'll be hit 185 in the sale there.

A horse that that Sean and I both got to win.

See, win in Grade 3 is Chantala. She'll break from here.

She'll break. She'll be.

She'll be hit 199 here in the session, 199.

I'll tell you what. If you want to make Grant

Forster famous, you give them Chantalis in the Indiana Oaks.

I'll tell you what, but what about her?

Obviously you know the two term win in the Indian Oaks, nothing

to sneeze that for sure, but. What about?

Her. So she was one I've had my eye

on for a really long time and figured a Philly that could win

one of the earliest maidens maiden special ways in the

country that out there in Delmar and then go on and become a

Grade 2 winner at 2 for gun runner out of an Indian Charlie

Mayer. That she's as commercial as it

gets. And she turned around and off a

what 7th month layoff, maybe more came back and shipped

across the country and won the grade 3 Indiana Oaks.

And then it looked like she was possibly coming to the end of

her racing career being that she probably still had a might have

had a bit left in her. The great owners that we've had

a lot of dialogue with, we talked them into maybe breathing

her and selling her in full. And luckily we got to end the

mischief thanks to Spendthrift. They were great to deal with,

put her in full and we believe that a Grade 2 and Grade 3 at

two different ages winning daughter of Gun runner in full

to end the mischief. That's really as commercial as

it gets coming into a sale like that.

So we're we're thrilled to get to represent her.

Yeah, that that fold's going to have one nice pedigree.

Yeah, and and she's big and she's beautiful as well.

Yeah, really good looking. So it an intimistic part of her

could be anything if you're a seller or plan on racing.

How much more value does that add to a mirror like her?

The fact that anybody who's interested in buying her, not

only do they get the mirror, but they also have a full which they

could choose whether or not they're going to race it,

whether they're going to sell it in the future.

Just how much more value does that add to a mirror?

It adds a lot of value because I mean, you think of it, if if you

buy her empty, you got to wait and take a risk.

Does she get in full the next year?

How tough is it going to be Then if you do get her in full, then

you got to wait another year for the full to come out, then

likely another year and a half to sell to see any return on

your investment right away. Buying her, she's in full,

you're you're months away from getting that full and you can

really do whatever you want pretty quickly and see a return.

So I think it's tremendous value.

Sorry. About that, Jessica with us from

Hillandale. It'll be representing some

smares at the Keeneland sale coming up here in November.

A reminder that the Keeneland Championship sale is Wednesday,

October 29th in the Delmar paddock and the November

Breeding Stock sale begins Tuesday, November 4th.

You can learn more at keeneland.com.

Hit 95. Is Hang the Moon one of those

horses as well that Sean and I have seen quite a bit in her

runs as well? What about Hang the Moon do you

like? This is one that we saw the

Rodeo Dr. last album before that of course one the Rodeo Dr.

previously. She's going to be one that

everybody looks at. I think if you like it, the most

important broodmare Shire, arguably over the last couple

years. It could be Uncle MO with

Nitrogen, Muth, Torpedo, Anna, journalism.

There's a lot of really important mirrors by Uncle MO

and they've really shown to be producers and he has a has a lot

of strong traits that carry on as we've seen through Nyquist.

So great at stakes, winning daughter of Uncle MO could be a

great producer and once again saw that as being very valuable

and one that we're excited to get to represent.

Yeah, back-to-back grade twos last year.

Yeah. Now Uncle Moe, you know, he, he

passed away last year at the end of last year.

So we're now at that point where it's a, it's a limited market.

I hate to phrase it that way, but there's a limited market on

how many of his daughters are left out there.

Do you see that now that Uncle Moe is no longer with us, a

mayor like her could have potentially more interested

buyers just because as the years go forward, we're going to see

less and less of these Uncle Moe broodmare prospects.

Yeah, I would expect there would be a premium on Uncle Moe's to

begin with, much less a young graded stakes winning daughter

of Uncle MO going the sale the first time this year.

So yes, I do. Yeah, Jessica with us from Hill

and Dale, some others to talk about including Lady rather will

be a hip 862 here. And I wanted to ask you about

her because you know, there's, there's some South African

breeding in here with, but we see Ken Thoros on obviously on

the sire line here becoming a hot sire himself.

Is that part of the the motivation here?

Yeah, so she's definitely one wanted to talk about because

only being a $37,000 yearling, she turned into a real runner

winning a great at stake at Churchill, winning a winning

another list at stake steaks placed several times including

at Keeneland. She's really pretty, was really

fast, was a Trier made over 400,000 and she's unfold of what

we think is the most fresh exciting freshman tire in the

country being Arabian Knight. So we thought all together she

was a really good package to be able to offer and George Mellon

and Michael Campbell, the trainer have been really easy

and great to work with. So she she's one that we had our

eyes on and luckily enough we're going to be able to represent

this year. She ruined my ticket at

Churchill that day. Thanks for breaking that up, I

appreciate it. So we know.

Louis will not be. No, no way.

No. But I know she could row.

How about that? Yeah.

Well, another one that you guys have here is hip #73 in

Everland. This is one that I have always

watched it, enjoyed watching at Churchill and around Kentucky

over the last couple years. She's a big, big strike in Gray,

and so she always catches my attention every time that I see

her. What are your thoughts on her

going into this sale? She's a daughter of Arrogate.

That's another one like Uncle MO, who Arrogate passed away a

few years ago. So potentially some of that same

kind of increased market for his mayors here.

Just what are your expectations for her?

We're absolutely thrilled for her.

I think she looks great on paper.

Eric Foster and his partners, including Jeff Akrich, have been

so easy and great to work with. She's one that I was there the

date she won her qualifying race at Turfway to get into the Oaks

in which she ran. She ran 5th in the Kentucky Oaks

behind just FY and Torpedo and a beating Jin.

Jin is now a Grade 1 winner, Leslie's Rose Grade 1 winner,

Power Squeeze Grade 1 winner. She's by Arrogate, one at one at

21, another stake at 3:00 and then another stake at 4:00 and

just right outside of grades takes place in a couple times.

So I think she's really talented.

She's got a lot of things that work for her and like you said,

being a limited edition arrogate, especially out of a

nice a well bred tappet mare, I I think it makes her a pretty

rare commodity and one that I I expect to to do well.

It with with her she had some success at Turfway Park and with

increased to Peter racing around the country, certainly here in

Kentucky in the winter, but also at the new Belmont Park,

certainly at Gulfstream Park up at Woodbine.

If you want. Are you having those

conversations with potential buyers about, you know, about,

hey, she's also good on the synthetic.

Those are the conversations I, I think that any surface you put

her on, she had shown promise in several, several times.

So I, I think that is absolutely a conversation of buyers.

So she should bring some international intrigue and

within the and domestic because like I said, all three she

showed that she could run on Yeah.

So that I I I think that is an important factor.

And one that you guys just supplemented into the sale here

is into Champagne, a daughter of Into Mischief.

She was also in that Kentucky Oaks against Torpedo Anna, just

FYI, Everland and all them. So you could just add it into

the sale here. What are your guys's

expectations for her? I think expectations would once,

I mean, I always try to keep them modest, but Arhai again

that she's going to be very valuable and anybody is looking

for a nice broodmare would consider her being a stakes

winner at greatest stakes place by end of Mischief out of

Spikestown Mayor. She's she's kind of one of those

that would appeal to all buyers and could suit a lot of

stallions here in Kentucky and produce a beautiful full and she

showed a lot on the racetrack and as a striking individual

herself. And she'll be in there as HIP

215, I believe, here in the Keeneland sale.

We also wanted to ask you about Thorpedo.

Hannah coming out of the spinster sticks, has just

announced last week that she was retired from racing.

She'll be taking up her broodmare duties at Hillandale

Farm. You guys are not consigning her

in the Keeneland Championship sale, but I know Kenny's

selling, consigning a 20% interest.

So if anybody is interested in getting involved with you guys

on her in the Keeneland Championship sale, they

definitely can. But just how how excited are you

guys to add her to the broodmare band?

What kind of value does a race mirror with her kind of record

have as you look forward? I, I think it's huge for Helen

Dale. It's one that obviously getting

involved, we, we had this in mind many times.

You get to have a Horse of the Year Grade 1 winner, one of the

best race horses that I've seen in my lifetime, get to come to

Helen Dale and be bred to some of the best sires that we have a

lot of optimism for, for her being a long term investment and

significant asset to Ellen Dale. Yeah, that's one of those.

No, I got to say this. It's one of those that let even

if it doesn't work out for whatever reason, like for

whatever reason, she's not a great, it's a great idea.

Like, of course you want her on your property now.

I think it's going to work. I've seen way too much of her

and I'm sure he'll Adele will make all of the correct

decisions about, you know, breeding and those sorts of

things. So no, Jess, I'm very confident

that you'll get it done. But man, just such a no brainer

to have her as part of your roster, No?

I would have to and it's it's tough sometimes you got to sell,

but get having the opportunity to retain something like her

very, very rare and something we don't really see a lot nowadays.

So getting the keeper in the United States is going to be is

going to be something that we're really excited and proud to be

able to do and. When you look forward, I know

it's several years away, but when you look forward to, I

imagine her, her children will be part of the Hillandale

consignments at some of these yearling sales.

Just obviously, obviously that's got to give you guys a lot of

hope for these next upcoming sales a few years from now.

Yeah, I mean, obviously try to not count the chickens before

they have, but that that of course is a prospect that we,

we, we've had in mind. And yeah, I said don't want to

say too much, just hope that it goes well.

When? We won't jinx anything, but we

won't we won't make we won't make you say anything that.

Broad people can pull up in 10. Years.

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I I could get made fun on

Twitter pretty good. Not Twitter.

Yeah, that's exactly right. He's Jessica and joined us from

Hill and Dale Farm. Of course, they'll be part of

the Keeneland assailed there just after Breeders' Cup up

coming up in the first week there in November.

Jess, thanks so much for jumping out with us.

We really. Yeah.

Thank you guys for having me. Have a good one there.

You go. Thanks, Jess.

Jess score from Hillandale Farm. Just the just just like, hey, by

the way, Torpino, Anna can be in your.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're doing that.

Just get to walk. Get to walk outside the back

door and see you're out there in the.

Field. No, that's right.

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, no big deal.

It's like hiring the best coach for your football team and

you're like I, I don't I have no idea if they'll fit in with the

culture here, but it's going to work like, you know, we're just

going to do it. It's all you'll be great there,

Dale. Dale, absolutely look forward to

the sale too, man. We'll have to get down there and

definitely. See how these horses sell.

I'm excited after these last couple of weeks here.

Do you have a sense, you know, we should play a game once in a

while? You know, we get, we get to talk

to all these, you know, we talk reps and consigners, different

people. We never do like who's going to

be the top seller out of this group like that would be fun.

I'm. Yeah, I'm not good enough at the

sales. We would be terrible at it.

That's why it would be funny. Yeah.

I'm like, should tell us. You're like Everland.

I'm going to pick the moon comes up by like 3.

Million. I'll pick whoever sells for like

3000 and then when I say won't sell, sell well, we'll sell.

For all of our picks, RNA, right, everything, Oh, it'd be

great. But we are coming up on the

street sets. We're coming up on those kinds

of races right before the Breeders Cup.

Sean, as we look forward in the racing here, where do you think

you're more likely to see, let's say, 3 Derby starters, the

street sets or the Breeders Cup Juvenile?

Oh, because that's a legitimate question.

In the last year you would have won on the street sets.

Boom and was it 3 years ago was white barrio Oh was in that

race. No, he was in the jockey.

The oh, the jockey. That's right.

Gotcha. Now the The Jockey Club for

years, two years in a row, was the predictor.

Race the Kentucky Jockey Club's been very good and I think the

Street Sense just it was just a couple of years ago where it got

upgraded to Grade 3 I believe and got added on to the Derby

trail. I think was 2 fills winning at

the first year it was officially on the Derby trail, but it got

it got added semi recently and really since it's been added

it's been, I mean it's been really producing.

I mean, you saw it was Sovereignty last year.

There's a, if you have one of those really good 3 two year

olds in Kentucky right now, whether they've already entered

steaks company or they just impressively won their maiden at

Churchill's September meet or maybe the opening weekend at

Keeneland. I feel like there used to be

maybe some pole to take that horse out to the Breeders Cup

and run them there. But now you can stay home and

you have such a great prep race in the street sense.

So then set you up, you could do what Sovereignty did last year,

where that gets you into the fall.

You take your winter break and then you come back in February

or if you want to go forward into the Kentucky Jockey Club or

maybe sit that one out, but you go forward to the races at like.

I'll score by all day. I'm trying to remember what the

three-year old or the 2 year old races are.

Ransom. Yeah, that's right.

Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, so I.

Had the one turn mile in my head, that's a mile and an

eighth, so that's why I was screwed up.

But yeah, but that's been a great predictor race too.

Last two years. Yeah, as the spectacular.

Definitely. So yeah, it's going to be an

exciting race. That's that's the reason why I'm

still here in Kentucky on Sunday instead of out in California

already is for that race, so. Yeah, makes sense, frankly.

Yeah. So it's going.

To be an exciting race coming up here, you know, I love my Derby

talk, so I'm excited. A week from tomorrow, so if

you're catching this on Tuesday of this week, but on the 28th of

October, we'll be doing a seminar at 7:00 PM Eastern here

in Louisville. It will stream on all of Blood

Horses social media platforms. So if you are interested in

hanging out with me, my friend Barry Spears, who I do other

shows with on a handicapping part of the show, you're

certainly welcome to do that. Sean and I will be out at Delmar

Thursday, Friday and Saturday. We'll have we'll have shows for

you. We'll put them all in the normal

spots where you find this program to make sure that you

can follow along with us. And I also want to make sure we

mention if you want to follow along with everything for the

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Daily so you can see those coming in every day.

All sorts of stories revolving around the horses and the

connections of the Breeders Cup. We're also going to have quite a

few videos coming out as well on our YouTube channel on

bloodhorse.com. So make sure you check for

those. I know my good friend Anna

Kerlin, our video editor here at Blood Horse.

She just posted the first of our Three Things series with Praying

and Robert. I just did a bad thing for her.

This isn't an audio and video medium right?

It's so like people can see us for sure.

If you're watching on YouTube Spotify, we appreciate you, but

someone's listening right now on Apple pods yes and I smiled when

you said Anna's name instead of saying yeah, she's great and I

should have said yeah, she's great.

You should don't no let's match off of it, but make.

Sure, you make sure you check out on ebertbloodhorse.com or on

our YouTube channel, the Three Things video series.

Get to know a little bit more about the horses that are

running in the Breeders. So get to learn a little bit

more about praying. I got to sit in and help her

record The one with Rhetorical that we did last week.

That'll be coming out in a couple days.

So you heard Will talk about his journey.

Learn a little bit more about Rhetorical himself and what he

enjoys watching you in suspense there.

You'd be surprised. One of the fun things about him.

But check that out as we get closer to the Breeders Cup.

I was out at Churchill Downs this morning.

I spent the morning with Dale Romans as Barofsky is preparing

for the Juvenile Turf Sprint. He talked with me on video, and

you can see video of the horse running training this morning as

well about how they're not going to breeze at all going into the

Breeders Cup. He's going to go just completely

galloping everyday leading into the race.

They're not going to do any breezes between when he ran in

the Indian summer. If you want to hear his reason,

I. Am looking forward to watching

that myself. On bloodhorse.com, so we got

lots of cool information like that.

Make sure you check that out. Make sure of course you check

out the magazine. OK, Somebody that we.

Just why do we need to do that, Sean?

By the way, if you happen to be watching, you can check out the

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It's pretty awesome the who's in it's wrong.

Well, you just happen to have a picture of.

Madam Plushy yourself, how about that?

Yes, so if you enjoyed Kate Hunter's interview there, if you

enjoyed talking about plushies, if you want to learn more about

what her job is on a daily basis about, you know how she gets

these horses for the Derby, for the Breeders Cup and gets these

Japanese horses over here, Make sure that you check out the

Blood Horse magazine. That'll be in our upcoming issue

here in November, the story written by Alicia Hughes.

And so make sure you check that out.

Who's the photo? By Anne Iverhart.

Who was she nominated? For her own plus she were the

end. This is important debate.

Is this going to? It'll come up next week, right?

Plushy talk? I hope so.

OK, good. What do you think the odds are

she brings us a plushy from Japan?

Listen, I we forgot to ask for that.

It's a bad job by us. I She's got to be stateside

already, right? Probably getting close.

Yeah, right. This week.

Correct, she said. I think she said the horses are

right there tomorrow. Right as of one I was gonna.

Say like she had to get over. Here, busy, busy.

There you go. So it's too late to.

Ask well, thank you to Kim for the well thank you to Jess for

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