BloodHorse Monday 10/6/25 | Brendan Walsh

All right, gather round, kids. It's a it's a Monday.

That means it's Blood Horse Monday.

How about that little October? There you go.

I was, I thought you were going to skip the mentioning that the

fact that it was a new month, we always got to start with

mentioning what time of year that we are currently in.

I can't. Believe we're post fall full

stars Saturday, full stars weekend.

All Stars. Weekend.

Yeah, everything's got a name now.

I'm Lou Rebeau. He Shawn Collins.

Speaking of names, this is Blood Horse Monday.

Thanks for hanging out with us. Busy show coming up for you.

Brendan Walsh up first, of course.

You know, I don't like having guys on after they have bad

weekends, but Brendan agreed to come out anyway.

I know he only won like 5 races at Greenland, the Grade 1, two

grade at six races. You know what?

We'll suffer through it together.

He'll be up first. We'll talk with Ned Toffee.

Good. Good for me after that about Ted

Noffee, who's different than Ned Toffee.

Oh, I I didn't tell you. I actually scheduled with Ted

Noffee. We have we have the horse on

today. A lot of them hang together.

There you are. And then John Green, friend of

the show, will join us from DJ Stable to close out that it's

part of our month long hanging out with Keelan.

We appreciate them doing that. He'll be part of that November

sale. But of course, the racing going

on right now at Keelan leading up until the Breeders Cup.

Go check them out, of course, wherever you do your wagering

and of course Keelan, select all the great options over there

with our friends at Keelan. We were just there this weekend.

Tons of and I joke about the name of the weekend Sean, but of

course fall fall stars weekend. The name Fitz.

It does. I don't know why that's a

difficult thing for me to say since I do this like 15 hours a

week but. Well, you're, you're getting

tired. Is that what's happening?

I'm an old man. Now you're starting, you've

done, you've done this long enough.

You're halfway around the far turn, nitrogen's coming up on

your outside, and you're starting to feel like, you know,

maybe not today I've done this. He's 10 years old, isn't a time

for him to get off the off the track.

And it's one of those Yeah, right, Yeah, I get it, all

right. But we got to be there for one

of those moments that I don't know if it's one of those

moments yet, Sean, but the spinster happens.

Obviously we're having Brendan on because of that.

The the headline, though, isn't the winner.

Sometimes in horse racing, it's the horse that doesn't win.

And and certainly when you have a horse of the quality of a

torpedo Anna run forth in A5 horse field.

There are questions. We get the video last night from

from Kenny Mcpeak prior to us filming this about, Hey, we you

know, we're going to check it out.

We're going to see what's going on.

You and I are of similar opinions about this.

We talked about this off air that let's let let's let it

marinate for a couple days here, right?

That kind. Of thing, last week we had your

overreaction Monday, overreaction Monday.

Did get after it. And I it felt like a lot of

people, in my opinion, were overreaction Sunday night.

There it is. Yeah.

What? In what way, Sean?

It's just, you know, I with some of the video stuff that I do on

line of a Pharaoh 12. Obviously, you know, I posted

the video of the race yesterday and, you know, just reading the

comments, there's a lot of a lot of people it seems like of the

opinion of as soon as she lost, it was, oh, I can't believe

they're still racing her. You know, like she's obviously

telling them she wants to be retired and I'm looking at that

and I'm just like, well, obviously they're gonna keep

racing her. She just won a grade one.

They didn't have any indication going into this race.

I. Hate to laugh, but yes, that

that happened. They.

Didn't have any indication going into this race that she wouldn't

run her. Pitch we had Kenny on last week,

he's never been more confident. No.

And you know, I he should have been.

I saw her at Churchill this week and I saw her at Keeneland this

week training. I saw her multiple times

throughout the week. She looked like the same old

torpedo Anna that we always get to see and that we love.

And she felt like I just she, it's very possible.

And, you know, we've put a lot of expectations on some of these

top horses, especially the ones that are as consistent as she

is. And we just expect if there is a

bad race in there, just that's it.

Something must be something. She just must not be the same

horse. She must not or like, you know,

like the people were saying online, it's we have to stop on

her. She ran one bad race.

It's interesting and and you know, I do want to go back to

the latch ran because you know, a lot of people the same

opinions. The difference that time I feel

like was there was something you could kind of point to.

It was a possible excuse. And then when she came back as

good as she did in the Florida in the personal lens and you

look at that and go, OK, that was probably definitely the

excuse. The way that the first turn

unfolded in that race. You don't see a clear reason as

to why she ran this way. It does feel different.

Maybe she just didn't. Maybe she didn't like being a

Keeneland for whatever reason. You know, she hadn't been there

since her debut. It was a long time ago.

Not against this quality of horses.

Maybe it was just, you know, the the pace didn't set up for.

Maybe it was, you know, certain horses.

When you have a horse, a rider like Brian Hernandez was riding

her in every race. He knows all the little, little

things that Torpedo Anna would do during a race.

Maybe there was something that just didn't translate.

Flavian Pratt didn't pick up. I'm not to blame Flavian for

this. I don't think this was his fault

at all. But you know, maybe that maybe

that's a part of it. That could be a potential.

In his interview, he was like, I felt like we had horse yeah, on

the back stretcher. We were.

We were ready to make that move once we got.

Maybe maybe there's something that Brian could have done and

that scenario knowing her, that would have got her kick in.

I'm not saying there is. I'm not blaming Flavian, but you

know, that's just, you know, maybe it's something like that.

So there was. There a lot of movies there,

frankly. It was one race.

I'm willing to give her the pass and see what happens next.

Now maybe she comes out of the race.

It looked like she came out of the race okay last night.

Maybe they find something in the next couple days that explains

it. Maybe they decide to stop on her

anyway. We are coming up on breeding

season next year or in a couple months, so good time to stop if

you're going to stop. That's right.

She's got nothing left to prove out there on the race track.

She's a horse of the year. She's a seven time Grade 1

winner. She's been one of the most

consistent say that again, seven time Grade 1 winner, Horse of

the year champion 3 Rob Philly, one of the most dominant horses

within this division that we've seen and my my time.

Following is is she the first star in the sport post COVID?

Like star in the sport. Like parading at Churchill Downs

on Clark Day. I would say I'm going to make

the argument for rich strike, which a lot of horse racing

people won't like, but a lot of the general public would have.

Because of the odds and. The general public really

attached himself to the horse and that's a whole another topic

we can get on one day about how I think that was horse racing's

most failed marketing attempt is how we just kind of abandoned

Rich Strike after the Derby. But anyway, that's for another

day. But.

I disagree. I think you should go right now.

We don't have enough time for that day.

Well, let me know in the let us know in the comments if you want

me to go into that for 1520 minutes on a future episode.

But but I would say rich. I would say rich, striking Fort

Pito Anna would definitely. And now sovereignty, journalism

sovereignty. Definitely has a.

Chance, Pierces and Sierra Leone are getting up there, but I

would say definitely I'd for this decade so far post COVID, I

think the two biggest stars in the sport have been, well, a

flight line too. Flight line was a * but we saw

him so infrequently and the buzz was there but it wasn't.

Well, and that's part of it, wasn't?

Like Thorpedo Anna, we saw her so often.

And that's why Thorpedo Anna is different than Rich Strip is

because no, that's winning 7th grade ones to 7th grade.

Ones if she won more grade ones to this point, the flight line

ran races. That's true.

I mean, no, we're talking about a different kind of Philly man.

She's different mayor now. I mean like we're talking about

a different kind of horse here. She's a different.

Man, she's got nothing left to prove so if they decide to

retire her by all means do it, but I just.

Think, by the way, not a Nikon knock on fly line.

That's not what I was using. It's not bad, but that's how

that's how good her record is. Exactly.

Yes, but I just think automatically going, I can't

believe they're so like, if they if they come back and decide to

go to the Breeders Cup, I don't want to listen to the next four

or five weeks of people going. Oh, I can't believe they're

still running her. It's she ran one bad race.

This is the first time in her life she ran a bad race without

an excuse. Yeah, give her a pass.

I I think that's a fairway to go.

I'm looking up why to Barrio's numbers right now because I I

just no, no, I want to make like a a a side by side comparison.

So he has run 24 times in his life from 110 of those races.

Yeah, I think of white Abario and I get it.

I get it. I want to be very clear.

He is not a he's not he's might be a Hall of Famer actually, but

you know, just not AI don't think we think of him as a

superstar all time kind of horse.

This is a horse with 10 wins in 24 starts, and I'm not.

Very good at the high level. High level, but I'm not sitting

around when he loses thinking, you know what they should do?

Yeah, we. Let's get out of here.

That was ridiculous. Why would they get him off?

Why is he on the track at all? If they did that last year, he

wouldn't have come back and won the Pegasus.

He set the board in 15 of his 24 races.

Should we be mad about the nine? No, no, the answer is no.

He's out there, he's running, he's doing the thing.

So whatever Kenny, look, it is very clear.

It's it's been clear. And by the way, I think we

should stop and pause. And Kenny was on last week.

The transparency with which he's handled this, what this horse is

a bit unbelievable. That's the other making her

available to everyone that wants to at Saratoga.

And that's the other part of this argument that I don't like

either, is when people say stuff like that.

Look at who the connections are. Look at how transparent Kenny

Mcpeak has been with her. Even took it like you think back

to the Kentucky Oaks when she after she won that race and she

had some kind of was it was it like a rash or something?

She had some kind of physical or health thing coming out of the

race because you know, the, the mud kind of rubbed up on.

I forget exactly what happened, but like he was, most trainers

wouldn't have said a word about that.

She would have went into the Acorn.

You never would have known it had happened.

He was very upfront about it right after the race that she

was going through that and it was all cleared up by the time I

got to the Acorn. He's always even back into the

fall where we all found out she had jaw surgery to remove a

little thing in her jaw. Like we've known everything

that's happened with this horse for her entire career.

You look at like her, her breeder, Judy Hicks, who raised

her, she's still involved. She's very much active with

everything torpedo Anna does. She's got the right people and

the people who would know if the time comes we're not going to

push her. So I don't I don't like seeing

all this talk online about how I can't believe they're still

running her or if we're if they go to the Breeders Cup still, if

I don't want to deal with that conversation for the next couple

weeks because 1 bad race. Yeah, if she runs another

clunker in her next race, then I'll start thinking, all right,

maybe it is time for her to go. But I give, I give her a pass on

this one. She's allowed to have a bad day.

Everybody's allowed to have a bad day.

Sometimes those five horse fields set up for weird races

too, like small fields can make for strange races.

Jinjin does get the win. We'll talk with trainer Brendan

Walsh about her look. Fast fractions did all the work

up front, still held on to win. That was a serious run.

If she can turn around, do that at Del Mar on that, on that

short stretch, Del Mar look out in the distance.

Seriously, I I. He's a legitimate threat.

I think he's got two. We're going to talk.

We're going to ask him about Cleco and I, I you and I were

there. And I'm sure people on the show

and other shows are tired of it. But after the Indian Oaks, she

was so professional. You could have lit a firecracker

off in that winner's circle. Nothing would have happened.

She would have been fine. I mean, she's unbelievable.

And so I when I saw her in the cotillion, I was like, that's my

horse. We're not here.

Yeah, thank goodness. That was my thought.

It's the last Brandon, about her as well.

Do you have any kind of, you know, thoughts about this

distaff field now that we've seen, you know, Jinjin get this

win? Nitrogen was right there.

I think nitrogen's really set up to to do well in the Yeah.

Well, I think, I think what we definitely learned is that the

the Distaff's going to be wide open.

Everything that we've seen from the three-year old Philly

division and now with Torpedo Anna getting beat this weekend,

it's completely wide open going into this.

And you know, fortunately for our guest who's about to join us

here, Brendan Walsh, he's got two of the hot horses going into

the race right now. Very good duo that pointing

towards California. Yeah, not a bad, not a bad

problem to have for sure. Who joins us back here on the

show, though, Trainer Brendan Walsh.

Where are you, Brendan? What are you up to today?

I'm at Churchill. OK.

Just trying to catch up after a busy weekend, so yeah.

Anything fun happen over your weekend and anything good?

It's a couple of small little things, you know, but no, it was

a great weekend for sure. You know, they're the, they're

the ones that you dream about really.

So it was, it was great. It was great.

Our horses all ran well. So seemed like they came back in

good shape. So on to the next one.

Yeah, so you get Jin Jin's performance there in the

spinster. We were just talking about a

prior to you jumping on. And we do appreciate you joining

us here on Blood Horse Monday, that run at Keeneland.

We see the early fractions. Brendan and I got to know what

was going through your mind when you see that half mile as

quickly as she had gone through. But look, she does the work

upfront, does it all the way through.

What were you thinking during the race?

And you know, you got to be really proud afterward.

Yeah, I mean, I told her we before the race to to be, you

know, assertive whether and and to to go forward and I said,

look, if you if you go to the lead, that's fine.

If somebody wants to to go faster, you know, we wouldn't we

weren't going to be too far away.

I told him the writer very similar to what Jose wrote her

when she won the double dog there in in the spring, you

know, because I knew she'd be game.

I did, of course, see the the half mile fraction.

I was like that. They they are going to take

quick. All right, you know, but hats

off to the mayor. She dug in when when everybody

came to her and and and she kept finding and you know, I I

wasn't. I mean, when you're in against

Phillies like nitrogen and and torpedo Anna, it's very tough.

But I wasn't totally surprised because she was in really,

really good form going into it. And when she, when she's on

song, she's pretty good, good Philly, you know, and she's not

going to let them bite that easy.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, I believe that Double Dog Dare was

the first the first race she ran for you, right?

She was with Brad Cox beforehand.

It was John. Yeah, yeah.

She had just come to me before that, You know, I, I didn't

actually have her that long. And we didn't work her an awful

lot. And we kind of learned from it.

We we we tried to replicate it as best we could this year in

the fall. We, we targeted this race quite

a while back because she obviously loves Keeneland.

You know, she ran a couple of decent races in Churchill in the

spring too, but she, she really showed an affinity for

Keeneland. So, you know, she, she kind of

went downhill a little bit physically after the two races

at Churchill. And we said we'd give her a

little time. We brought her to Saratoga, got

her, got her back doing good again and, and, and targeted

this and, you know, we worked her, I think we worked her like

5 times going into this. We didn't overwork her

whatsoever and it paid off. So yeah, it was great.

And you mentioned kind of giving her that break, but is it also

just as the months went on, you guys kind of started to figure

her out a little bit more, kind of get more acquainted with her

and that could have helped lead to the big performance she had

on Saturday? I mean, probably she's probably

a Philly that doesn't need you know, she she doesn't seem to to

thrive on too much work slash racing.

I think the, you know, less is better with her and you know,

it's nice that she's, she's doing what she's done for us.

I mean, she's won a grade 2 and now a grade one as well.

So it's, it's great. I was joking yesterday.

Maybe we should keep her in training for for next year as

well and and and have a shot at the Breeders Cup at Keeneland

with her. I was going to ask that she's

here with us here on Brothers Wedding.

Leer Boschkoff hanging out with you.

Not the end of the spoils for you this weekend at Keeneland

Imagination. The lady wins the jessamine in

an absolutely loaded field. Brandon, you had to be thrilled

with her performance on Saturday.

Thrilled with her? Yeah, you know, she, she's won.

She's probably just going to get better and better physically.

She she, she's a good sized filly and and she's got bags of

scopes. So she's probably going to be a

nicer 3 year old than anything. But you know, she won first time

at at Kentucky Downs and she, she had been working good going

into it. We did like her and I didn't

think she was without a chance on Friday.

It was a good, a good field of fillies, or at least it appeared

to, to be. And she did it really well.

I thought Frankie gave her a great ride, you know, and it, it

played out really well for her. But I think she's a filly that's

headed in the right direction as well.

We, we hear all the time with Kentucky Downs, you know, just

kind of the way that the track is configured and set up down

there, that some horses that run well there, sometimes it doesn't

translate to other tracks. Was that ever a concern with you

for her? Or was she 1 you always thought

could just handle whatever's thrown at her?

I think she she was athletic enough Sean, to handle Kentucky

Downs, which I think they need to be, especially first time

with no experience. It, it can be a tough, a tough

place to go first time, but but we did it, she was ready to run.

So we said we we'd take a shot at it.

But I do think it, it does, you know, if things go right there

and they handle it, I think it proves very beneficial after

because you know, it's a, it's, they get unbalanced down there.

It's a, it's a tough track to run on.

And I think when they get back to a more orthodox track, I

think they they really benefit from it, you know?

What do you think her next step is at this point?

Is the is a trip to Delmar on on the schedule?

I think it has to be Louis, you know, I, I, I think we have to

look at it anyway. If she's doing well, she seems

like she came out of the race the other day.

They said we, we won't know for a while yet until she goes back

training. But she looks like she came out

of it really good. And if she did, then we, we

nearly have to take a shot. I, I would think she'd be one of

the one of the favourites in that spot if, if she goes, you

know. Yeah, hopefully they don't ship

out Lake Victoria for a juvenile race again.

Yeah, them, them Irish need to stay at home.

Be good for all trader Benny Walsh here for sure.

You did have some other two year old winners on the weekend

including Bella Ballerina on Sunday on debut.

We were all waiting for that one.

And boy, she did not disappoint. Yeah, she actually surprised us

as well. I mean, we we liked her, don't

get me wrong, but but I talked to fashion.

She did it in was super impressive.

You know, Tyler said he was loaded the whole way around

there. You know, she's obviously a

sister to pretty mischievous and she she seems like she shows all

the all the hallmarks of her sister as well.

This one's a little more trickier mentally.

She she she's a little trickier, but I think a race will have

helped her latch yesterday for more for as much for the mental

side than anything. But she's a she's a nice

prospect for the for the future going forward.

You know, she should be a a really nice Philly.

How exciting is that for you when you get a sibling of, you

know, one of your one of the stars that you had previously

trained, especially when they come out and win like that first

time. Just how much excitement does

that give you for what her career could be?

It's great, Sean, because the, you know, I've had three of them

now. I I had pretty mischievous.

We had a we have a useful Philly as well and pretty sassy that

came in between. She she's a medagliadoro and of

course, you know, so it's nice when you get them families.

I mean, there's always a chance of another real good one.

I know a lot of the mirrors they'll only most of the time

they'll probably only get one, but you, you see some of them

will get a second one as well. And, and, and this mirror just

seems like she keeps producing and producing.

So it's it's great. It's, it's one of the, the, the

great benefits of, of training for somebody like a dolphin.

You know, there's, there's ones like that around the corner

every year and it's, it's just great to to have that resource,

you know? Definitely helps knowing the

Goodyear that they've had this year that that breeding program

is definitely. Churning out some good horses,

but on Friday, aside from the Jess Men, you had a pretty good

day. You had horses in three

different races, you won all three of them, and one race that

you had multiple horses in, you ran 1st and 3rd and that's a

pretty good day there. But tell us a little bit about

your two winners on Friday, Turner's Charm and Raiding

Party, both 2 year old winners as well.

Yeah, again, Sean, you know, Turner's Charm ran a really nice

race at Kentucky Downs too. You know, she, she ran very

well. I had trust the count in there

too, who we, we rate very highly.

Trust the Count got in a little, little trouble going into the

first turn and got, got shuffled way back.

But she came with a very nice run at the end of the the race

and she's probably a filly that's, I think she's going to

be a hell of a three-year old. Turner's Charm, like I said, ran

very well first time out and, and you know, we were, we were

very, very pleased with her. And, and then the filly in the

last, I thought she, I was amazed actually, the price she

was because she'd been working really well.

I couldn't, I couldn't believe it, the price she was because

she'd been working as good as, as, as you know, right up there

with the others, if not as good as them.

So I was not surprised in the least by by the fashion that she

won in. So you have a Jinjin win the

spinster A couple of weeks ago, Kleco went and won the Grade 1

cotillion at Parks Brendan after the Indiana Oaks.

Believe it or not, I went out of my way to go find you and you

were having a gosh, I think it was Herod.

Dura was doing a tequila toast. After all of them.

Gosh, yeah, I was in. The middle Yeah.

So while Brendan got to enjoy the tequila, I'm a professional.

I you know, I have to. This is blood horse people, you

know, but I said to you, boy, she's a real pro.

And I saw in your face, Brendan, you thought you think a lot of

this Philly. And she showed it in the in the,

in the cotillion for sure. Tell us next steps with her.

And man, how proud of you of her.

Because I, I just, I was so taken by her in the winner's

circle, Brendan, for example, all the activity, all the people

didn't affect her at all. She is just such a pro.

Yeah, it's amazing, Louis. You know, she she's

unbelievable. She was the same at parks.

I mean, she's just a natural, natural talent.

You know, Donato Lani sent her in to me last year in the in

around this time last year and he told me this is a nice filly.

And of course, you know, you get them and and yeah, she's a nice

physical and, and has always been very good mentally.

But you know, her works been good.

She's she's just gotten better and better as the years gone on.

I mean, nothing phases her as she just, she just seems like

she's top, top class and, and you know, as she's been going

along through the year, I've been thinking, God, this filly

is very, very good. She's gotten better and better.

And, and you know, we, we had the confidence to to try her in

the grade one off the back of of the Indiana Oaks.

And you know, she like that that cotillion was a tough race.

I mean, there was three grade one winners in there and, and,

and she beat them, But you know, she, she instills confidence in

you. It's you know, she's got a great

mind and, and everything and all the, all the hallmarks of a good

horse. So I, I think, you know,

obviously we're, we're going to take a shot at the distaff with

her, but I think next year, you know, it's going to be she's

going to be a better Philly again.

So really looking forward to her going forward.

Now on on this show, we have you know, a lot of people who

definitely follow racing year round, but we also have quite a

few people that are watching maybe just getting into racing

for the first time. You have these two really good

Phillies and Jinjin and and Kliko going into the same race

here, the Breeders Cup. This stuff just to explain for

them. How do you balance kind of

having multiple horses in the same race at that level and

especially for different owners? Well, first of all, it's nice to

have it's. A good problem.

It's a good problem to have. Any amount of them, yeah.

You know, if I if I had another one, I'd take that too.

You want all fourteen in the field, right?

Yeah. No, you, I, I think you know,

you, you just go ahead and you, you train them.

You know, we like to train them as, as they are and, and what

they, you know, like we said earlier on with, with Jin, Jin,

she, she's not a, you know, she doesn't do a ton of work and she

seemed less is more with her. So we'll just, we'll just take

her easy along. I mean, she's obviously very

fit. You've only got 3 1/2 weeks, you

know, going into it. So we, we, you know, we won't,

we won't overdo anything there and, and click all kind of goes

through it as well. And, and she's very, you know,

she's very straightforward too. So, you know, you, you, you just

try to train them for, for themselves and, and that they'll

show up on the day and give their best performance.

I, I wouldn't worry. One of them isn't going to

influence what we, what we do with the other one.

You know, you just do the best you can for, for each one and,

and hopefully they'll dead heat on the day.

So. That's just about to say

hopefully it will be a dead heat at the end, right?

Yeah. Brendan, I wanted to ask you

about another horse in your barn, and I feel like today is a

good day for this question because it's going to bring up a

moment that I imagine at the time Brendan was not happy

about. And.

It's another Keeneland winner. His name is Gossgar and it's a

horse that I really I've really come to enjoy watching run and I

was there at the Haskell and your shrug after journalism took

over the lead in the shrug. And just like, what else can we

do here was one of the all time moments for me this year.

How is he doing? And I mean, I just do do you

sometimes just look at those, Have you watched those replays

to to just wonder how the heck he doesn't have a grade one win

yet? Yeah.

I mean, you know, yeah, he was. He was very unlucky between that

and the Preakness. I mean, there were two, there

were two tough beats. The Preakness I think in

particular because you know what happened behind him and you

know, 99 times out of 100, your horse clears like that.

They just don't catch him. And, and he was, he wasn't as

though he was stopping either. He wasn't dead on his feet.

He was running, you know, so that was that was disappointing.

The Haskell, you know, he ran a better race in the Haskell and

yeah, I mean, it's tough to take it, but then, you know, you get

you get a race like yesterday with Jin Jin and you come out on

the right side of that. They tend to to balance

themselves out. But yeah, it was it was tough

for them, but he's doing good. He, you know, he didn't run much

of A race in the PA Derby. I don't think he liked the

track. Louis, you know, parks can be a

funny track. Some horses like it, some horses

don't. He came out of the grade.

We actually worked him on Saturday and and he's been doing

great. So we're probably going to take

a good look at the Fayette at the end of Keeneland with him.

I don't really see any point in, in stopping and giving them bags

of time if the horse is doing really well.

I, I think we should roll on and, and, and try and get

another, you know it. We know he likes Keeneland so it

might be a good opportunity to, to maybe win a race with it.

We'll take a look at the norms when they come out anyway and

we'll, we'll consider it. And if we don't do that, we'll

find something, something else again.

But he, the horse is doing good and and he's finally to come

together physically. So I'm I'm inclined to just draw

a line through the the parks race and and roll on with him.

Looking for more success at Keeneland this weekend?

You got Lush Lips and the QE 2, Sansiro and the Sycamore,

Pondering and the Franklin. Are you going to pull off a pull

off another big weekend and be back on the show again next

week? I don't know, Sean.

It'd be, it'd be nice if we could, but well, they're,

they're, they're all doing good. It's, you know, you, you, it's

like with, with Bella yesterday. You know, you go through phases

in the year. My, my 3 year old, my 2 year old

Phillies this year, they're behind because I think we had

such a hot summer. We were going to run Bella and

Ellis and she came back. I think she came back with a

bunch of mucus one day or something after work.

And I had a good few, a good few of the babies this year.

It was kind of tough on them, the heat, you know, so they're

they're a little behind. They're starting to come to hand

now. Does you know, we, we had them

few nice maidens over the weekend, But you know, the

horses are, are, are in good form is what I'm trying to say.

And and you know, the older ones too are running well.

Lush lips is doing great. She's been working good.

So looking forward to her pondering again and saying 0 is

a little you know, he he's he's a nice horse needs plenty

distance. I ran him in that two and a

quarter mile race at Kentucky Downs and he actually ran really

well. He just the last quarter of a

mile caught him out. So I, I, I think he's in there a

little sneaky on on Friday. I'm going.

To guess that Brendan knows the answer to this.

Do you know the two teams that play at San Ciro?

Yes, of course, AC and enter, yeah.

Yeah, you know, Come on, dog. Come on now, baby.

I'm going to talk to Fred Walsh. What are we doing?

I know you're going to have to start teaching these soccer on

the backstretch. I'm a big I'm a big soccer fan.

Outside of racing it's about the only thing I watch so.

No hurling at all. There you go.

All right. I have been a hurling too but

but that's got its time of year. But yeah, I know for sure.

By the way, if you hate someone, tell them to go play hurling.

That's my advice to you. Oh, man.

All right, we'll get back to him.

Brett, we appreciate you jumping on the show.

I'm sure we'll be catching up soon.

All right, guys. Thanks for having me.

Thanks. Brett, Thank you, Brett and.

Wash, There you go. As good a weekend at Keeneland

as you can have, yeah. There you go.

Pretty impressive. There you go.

I wish I had something to add other than I will say like top

like 5 personal moment in horse racing this year was his

reaction after the Haskell. What else can he do?

What else can this guy do to not win a grade one?

I mean, it's unbelievable. So no, I just the exciting part

about who Brendan has in his barn right now is so many of

them are he's already talking about, OK, this is what we're

doing in the spring and that kind of thing.

Like 4 casting forward a horse like Oscar.

He mentioned the Fayette and he said, yeah, he likes Keeneland

and that kind of stuff. Makes total sense.

Clark's right there. Scar Mile is right there.

I mean, there are so many races for a horse of his quality to be

able to try to jump up and get into, frankly, with what he did

in in the Lexington, which is over that shorter stretch.

I think a race like the Cigar Mile might be perfect.

So he could go Fayette if he's still training well, go run on

the Scar Mile. I mean, I think Brendan's

Brendan was very clear that part.

I appreciate it especially or he was like, if he's in form, he's

gonna run. Why would I give him a bucket of

time off? I think it's Turby used right.

So I appreciate that part as well.

But there you go. Brendan, of course, is five wins

on the weekend, dude. I know it's incredible.

And Jinjin, of course. But again, I want to thank our

friends at Keeneland for hanging out with us on this episode.

It is Keeneland and it is the world's marketplace.

The championship sale is Wednesday, October 29th in the

Del Mar paddock and the Keeneland November breeding

stock sale begins Tuesday, November 4th.

You can learn more, of course, at keeneland.com.

You'll hear later in the show for a friend, John Greene, who

will be involved in the sale there in November as well.

And so we'll get you up to date on all of the great action with

our friends at Keeneland and Keeneland Racecourse.

Of course, man, it's going to be very difficult for them to match

this week of racing, which they won't because they just won't

have the graded sigs there's. Not as many graded sigs, but.

But you just mentioned three horses there out of Brendan's

barn that are going to be in races that I'm very much looking

forward to. So I mean it's.

Going to be another good weekend this weekend.

These are, you know, the, the QE 2, the the Franklin and the

Sycamore. A lot of times, you know, these

are kind of the races for horses that don't really have a

Breeders' Cup division. And so like you think about the

Philly and Mare Turf sprinters, you have to run a few boys if

you're going to run a Breeders' Cup.

But if you don't want to do that, the Franklin is kind of

your end of the year big race that you kind of target for.

So this is always, always a good weekend to racing here as well.

Cool. All right.

Well, thanks to Brendan Walsh, of course, for joining us here

on Blood HORSE Monday. Sean Collins, Louie Robot

hanging out with you. One of the best winners over the

weekend, of course, was a horse named Ted Noffy.

We're really pleased to welcome in his namesake.

His name is Ned Toffy. He's over there at Spendthrift.

He is the GM on the grounds there.

It's been there for Dad. Have you?

Yes, Dad, I got it. Oh, my gosh, I got it.

Dad, have you thought about the fact that you've been there for

a couple of decades? Thanks for joining us.

How are you? Thank you for having me.

Yeah, it's been a while now. It's actually we're, we're 2021

years. So yeah, it's we've been here

for a bit, but it's a great place to be.

Wouldn't wouldn't trade places with anybody.

Seems long enough that you've been there for them to finally

name a horse after you, right? Well, it took it it, it did take

a misprint to to make it happen. But yeah, so it's and Eric

Gustafson does, he does a great job with the names and he has a

lot of fun with it. He does a lot of, you know, show

business, music, comedy references.

And so he got a, he got a big kick out of this opportunity

and, and it's fun because people seem to embrace that people are

having fun with it. And I think that's a good thing.

Yeah, well, just for those who maybe haven't heard the story of

how Ted Nafi got his name, I love that misprint.

Go ahead and just give us the quick, the quick little rundown

on how that came to be. So should I tell you who did the

misprint or do you guys do you? Guys, well, you know what?

Instead of telling, how about Give me a moment here if you're

watching us on. YouTube or Spotify watching some

live work here. Yes, go ahead and say there it

is. There it is.

There it is. What I like about this, by the

way, that is that this has already been up for an hour by

the time the screenshot is taken.

That's my favorite part. That's, that's, that's funny.

I, I The funny thing is I had a friend text me and say, and I

did not know that this tweet had gone out.

So I had 0 context. And, and this is months before

the horse had been named. And he texted me said, can we

name a horse Ted Noffe? And I hope this doesn't get

bleeped, but I responded in by text knock foe.

And yeah, so my kids, they got a hold of the tweet and, and sent

it to Eric Gustafson, who owns says one of the owners has spent

thrift along with his wife, Tamara.

And Eric obviously said to himself, I know what to do with

this. He, he sat on it for several

months. And it wasn't until, I mean, I

think this happened in, I want to say March, February or March.

And it was, I think, you know, June or July before he named the

horse. And, you know, it's very

difficult when you, when you name a horse, you, you, you, you

want to pick out a good one so you can give it a good name.

Well, you know, very often the ones that we think are going to

be good are not the ones that turn out to be turn out to be

good. So I think this was just simply

kind of luck of the draw and and you know, it's it's work out

that he's a really nice horse. So yeah, but I just just

checking workouts 1 morning and and there's Ted and off he

having worked 47 and changed and I thought oh goodness, here we

go. So.

That that'll be the the one workout that'll always stand out

in your mind. You'll run those that are only

listening to us and are not watching us on the screen.

So this was a post advertising the magazine, which by the way,

subscribe to the Blood Horse magazine.

We'll have that QR code on later in the show.

But in the post, we've done a feature on you for winning Farm

manager of the year last year. And in the post they

accidentally said Ted Nafi, Farm manager of the year instead of

Ned Toffee. Just since I am the one blood

horse rider on the show here, just want to point out this was

I had no involvement with this at all.

You take that? Possibility for somebody else to

send. And I will also say we have an

updated, updated proofing process for these.

Boots about well. In your defense, just since this

horse has won, there are several other publications that have

gotten this wrong. So he.

The horse has The horse has been referred to as Ned Toffee and

he's also been referred to as Ted Toffee.

So you guys, you guys are not alone.

So people are now thoroughly, thoroughly confused.

You should have heard Louis before we started.

The show, Oh my gosh, that I I was a mess, man.

I was there, but moving. Moving on from the name, just

just tell us about this horse. When did he really kind of come

on to the radar of, you know, kind of being that one that you

guys were kind of keyed on, keyed in on to being one of your

top 2 year olds this year? Yeah, it's, it's funny.

So I, I don't know if I can really name a time, maybe it's

when he crossed the finish line in the hopeful.

But I, I will say going back to when we saw him at TaylorMade

farm prior to the September sale, we'll, we'll go around and

look at horses at, at some of the different, you know, the

larger farms, larger consignors. And we saw him at the farm and I

remember thinking like is, is this horse just, is this horse

just too obvious? He, he's such a big, nice

looking horse. That's certainly no guarantee

that they're going to run. When he was down in Ocala at

King's Equine, Raul Reyes broke him.

Did a wonderful job. Every time we saw him, he looked

the part. He, he, he was handling

everything. He, everything came easy to him.

He moved nicely on the track when he breezed.

We, you know, he, he breathed really well.

But still at that point they're only doing an eighth of a mile,

1/4 of a mile maybe at the very end they do an easy 3/8 before

they go out to the trainer. So it's still really not enough

to to tell. But I, I think there's been no

point in the process where we had any real reservations about

him. And when this horse did start to

get serious in his works, going a little farther for God, that

we really began to feel like, hey, this, this might be a

pretty nice horse. And Todd was pretty

complimentary of him. But you know, you know, Todd,

you know, he's, he's going to be, you know, pretty, pretty low

key, pretty reserved about things.

And then I think he'd be he'd be the first to tell you, you know,

you just never know until they until they get in a race and and

do it, you know, just no, nobody really knows.

So I think he we always saw the right things.

And you know, I guess this is, you know, part of the beauty of

this game is you get to get excited about the East horses.

But we really didn't know. We we we thought we had a solid

horse. He reigned really, really well.

You know there were some highly touted horses including a very

expensive into Mischief that we got outbid on at the 2 year old

sales that were in his first start.

So, you know, we thought he was in pretty tough and he he ran so

well and then ran even better in the hopeful and then passed the

two turn test here at Keeneland this weekend.

So I, I wish I could tell you there was a specific time, but

it's it's never has done anything wrong and does just

continue to do things the right way.

So. That toffee with us, He's the

general manager at Spendthrift Farm.

Ted Noffee now the only two time grade one winning 2 year old in

the country. Take us back Med after after the

hopeful win. We, I, I think in racing we, we,

you know, especially with what we do, we see the jocks, we see

the trainers, we're at the barn, but we forget that farm aspect

of things. Is there a bit of just a better

mood the next day after a race like that?

Yeah, there really is. And I, you know, you know, the,

the naming stuff is fun, but you know, aside from that, look,

this is what we're, these are the kinds of horses we're hoping

for. And you know, this is a tough

game, you know, and us and plenty of other outfits spend,

spend, you know, any amounts of money on horses and many of them

don't work out. I mean, it's just, it's kind of

the nature of this game. And so, you know, it's easy to,

to buy some really nice, what you think are really nice horses

and not have them pan out. And so when they do, it's really

gratifying and, and, and this is the kind that we're looking for.

It's a sun well bred, good looking son of into mischief.

And so it's really exciting because our goal is, is you

know, it's to get something to our breeding shed either in our

stallion barn or in our broodmare band.

And so when you can be, you can begin to see that that plan

coming together. It's, it's very gratifying.

And yeah, puts a little extra spring in your step.

And, and, and yeah, it's, it's really good feeling and

everybody's embraced and having fun with it.

So, but it's, yeah, look, it's, it's, it's, and it's very

expensive to buy stallion prospects these days.

So the prospect of having one that we don't have to go out and

write a big check for is is really nice.

Well, you mentioned it's a tough game, but Spendthrift was making

it look easy all weekend here at Keeneland.

In addition to Ted Nafi on Saturday, you guys won three of

the first four races on the card and then on Friday you also had

of course Tommy Joe, your spin away stakes winner.

She finished second across the wire in the Alcibiades, but she

won via disqualification as there was a Percy's Bar came out

and bumped into her in the stretch.

Just what did you guys take away from her performance in the

Alcibiades? Her first time stretching out

the two turns? Yeah, I my impression was that

she probably didn't handle the whole thing quite as well as Ted

and off he did. He you know, he raided

beautifully and just sat and tell him till Johnny asked him

to go and then he went and and kind of did his thing.

You know, I think the two term thing, you know, she's a she's a

a strong willed Philly and you know, she's she's she's

aggressive and you know, I think you're going around and coming

out of that first turn, she just didn't settle quite as quite as

well as she has when she sprinted.

And so I think, I think it was definitely a learning process

for her. And you know, I think that took

away from some of her punch at the end of the race and, and,

and, and take nothing away from Percy's bar.

She ran a heck of a race. And I, I, I give her all the

credit in the world. I, I try, try to look at that

whole thing as as unbiasedly I can as I can, which is obviously

impossible. But I think, I think you have to

say that whether you think Tommy Joe is going to get by or not, I

think when a horse comes out that much and causes that much,

that much interference, I think sort of all bets are off.

And you just have to say, look, that's too much.

That's the way I see it. Then again, like I said, I am, I

am a little biased. So, but I, I, so I think, you

know, what I hope is moving forward that she learned

something from that race. She got something out of that

race and and she'll be ready to move forward to to the Breeders

Cup. Yeah.

Well, both these races for both Ted Anathi and for Tommy Joe

were winning your ends for the Breeders Cup Juvenile and the

Juvenile Phillies. Obviously, he's thinking ahead

that far to Del Mar. Just what do you think of taking

them out there to California and participating on that stage?

Yeah. And and the other thing I'll say

about the the race this weekend, that's, you know, that's not the

way any of us want to get, you know, win, win a race and get

it, get it. It's nice.

It's a second grade one. That's wonderful stuff.

Not the way any of us, you know, want to want to win things.

But at the same time, we'll take it as far as heading out to the

Breeders Cup, you know, really excited about that, to go out

there with him. You know, what we think is a

pretty good hand. You know, we'll, we'll, you

know, she and Ted off he'll go both go back up to Saratoga and

and prepare up there with Todd and the rest of his contingent

and then ship out, you know, closer to to the race and and,

you know, really looking forward.

I I think they're both that both horses that you know, they're

they're going to run into it. Look, it's the Breeders cup.

It's supposed to be a tough group and they're both going to

run into some really, really good horses.

It's nice that they've both passed the two turn test feel a

little bit better, as I said about the way Tanoffi did it,

but you know, she ran a really good race as well.

And and so we're looking forward to that.

But again, you know, the test, the test gets a little tougher

still out out there and but it's a championship day.

So it so it ought to be and you know, fingers crossed, but

there's you know, they've got to do everything right.

They've got to ship back home. They've got to come out of it.

They early indications they both come out of the races really

well. So hopefully that continues

through their prep preparation right up to the race and keep

our fingers crossed. It's amazing a horse ever gets

to the starting gate. I'll tell you what, there's so

much, you know, behind the scenes guys like that.

It's amazing that it really is. I'm not there.

There's a lot of ways to get beat in this game and again,

that's why you've got to enjoy this when things do get well,

because it's, you know, it just, there's all those little

obstacles out there and, and you know, when it, when it all comes

together and all goes right, it's you, you, you, you better

enjoy it because there's plenty of times where you know, things,

things just don't fall into place.

So. I want to make a forensic fire

joke here with ya pones progeny now winning here and thinking

about, you know, stretch runs between sprinters and those

kinds of things. Only a joke for me.

We're doing that. OK, just checking, but you

didn't get one of those in local knowledge winning over the

weekend. Any notes on her?

He he, yeah, you know, I was really impressed with that race.

You know, to be going 6 furlongs, it's not a short run

of the first turn, but not as long as obviously if it was say

7, you know, and he broke out in the 12 hole, broke badly.

And so we had some ground to make up.

And you know, Dylan had to felt like he had to make a move a

little early when he did and really accelerated and got

around some horses that maybe we're running a little bit green

put himself in a good spot and and then and then hit the cruise

control and, and I think gave the horse a little breather.

And so the horse got a little breather around the turn and,

and then responded when he asked him turning for home.

And I think for a for a 2 year old in their first start to do

that is really impressive. They also there was AI think it

was a three-year old allowance race of maybe one, maybe the

maybe was the next race. And these Colts went went like a

full second faster. And so, so to be wide, to break

badly, you know, and then finish up the way that it I thought was

really, really impressive. And and so I think that look for

some some good things to come from him.

Well, not only was it a good weekend, a keen one for you

guys, but also a great weekend out there at Santa Anita.

You had two home breds win grade 3's out there, Tamara taking the

chilling worth and brave Deb winning the Surfer girl last

night. Let's just start with Tamara.

First start in 11 months, daughter of Beholder, a daughter

of Bolt de Oro. Just how exciting is that to see

her back at the races? Well, it's been like it's been a

long Rd. and you know, she's had her share of of issues, but you

know, we've got everything squared away and you know, time

is seldom a bad thing for a horse.

And and I think this additional time is really done wonders for

her. And, you know, I, I think from 2

to 3, she, she, she, you know, she was in a classmate of

copions and, you know, copions of Philly that really grew up

and got bigger and matured from 2:00 to 3:00 and, and camera.

I don't know that she did that quite as well as Kopian did.

And in addition to having just some nagging issues that that

caused the delays And and so again, this extra time she

finally really has, she's probably more filled out than

grown up, but she but she has grown up and then filled out

well and she's she is doing really, really well.

And Richard's been very, very happy with her in in her

training. I don't know, you know, there's,

there's a lot of really good Phillies that that would be

eligible for, for the the Philly and Mayor Sprint.

So hopefully that race is going to be enough to get her in.

I don't know if it will or not, but she certainly, you know, she

came out of that with a 95 buyer.

She looked apart and she loves Delmar.

So I would be really excited about her chances.

And the only unfortunate thing is we have to may have to

compete with ourselves with with with Copion.

But there's also, well, with all due respect to that, there's a

bunch of other very nice Phillies that'll be in that

group, not the least of which is praying I'll get a little plug

for Vacoma. I had a praying had, you know,

you know, one very nicely out of Keeneland this weekend and you

know, she would be in there as well.

So, you know, but but it's just it's great to have Tamara back

and and doing what we've felt like she was capable of doing

now. So long road back.

But that's Richard Forte. And Richard so good.

He's patient. Yeah.

He does the right thing. And we have, you know, ownership

at Spendthrift just as Mr. Hughes, his daughter and

son-in-law, Tammy and Eric there, they are going to put the

horse first. We're going to do the right

thing by the horse. We're going to give them the

time. And you know, what's the old

saying, you take care of the horse and the horse will take

care of you. And so excited about about her

going forward. Brave Deb also, I'm assuming,

probably raced her way in the Breeders Cup talks for you guys

as well. I, I I.

Think so and and I will say that that that was all worth it just

to see Richard Mandela on a surfboard.

So yeah, I love seeing that picture.

If nothing else was accomplished, we've got we've

got that out of the race. But no, this is this is a home

bred Philly by authentic and Alphanda got a great weekend

too. One of the one of the stakes

races where we we didn't win or place was the the the preset.

And we ran forth in there with a Philly that we're partners with,

with Mike Propoli, Philly named steer clear and but an an

authentic capture that one that that Grade 1 and and and a

Matoli was second. So we, we that's how good a

weekend it was. Even when we didn't win, we we

made out. OK.

So so yeah, authentic huge weekend too, with two graded

stakes winners. But brave Deb, she's now 2 for

two, ran a heck of a race in her first start came came out of

that work lights out since that race almost too good.

I was a little afraid she'd done too much.

But Richard said her everything she did, she was, she did so

easily. And and, and you know, he, he

felt like she was just playing out there on the front end.

So that was really an impressive race and and really a fun way to

cap off the weekend. See, the stallion power is just

so good there. Even when you're losing, you're

winning. That's what it seemed like this

weekend. Well, well, sometimes, you know,

sometimes we, you know, fortunately this weekend we

didn't have to fall back on that much, but.

You know. When our, when our, our own

runners do get beat, if there's always, often times there's that

consolation that it's one of our offspring of one of our sires

that beat them. And so that's always the, that's

always the fall back. So.

That's hoppy with us from Spencer.

We'll get you out of here on this.

Can you pull pull up that tweet again or Facebook, whatever that

was from that social media post for me because Ned lost in this

is you're far manager of the year.

Like this is totally lost in this is is that accomplishment.

And look, I I don't know your schedule, but I can probably

guess it and the alarm clock is earlier than 9.

It is longer hours almost certainly than I work.

Did you allow yourself to stop and celebrate being far manager

of the year? Because look at these are you

know, you're in a business where and I love your enthusiasm.

Obviously you love this, but you know, the the hours are long,

the work is difficult. Did you, did you allow yourself

at least to to enjoy that moment?

Yeah, no, that was very nice. My family was able to be there

and, and a lot of people who have helped me get to where I am

then influences on me and my career have been sources of

mentorship, great advice. All of those things that they

were, some of them are past winners of that award and that

that's kind of an award of your peers.

You know, those are all really, really nice things.

So it was and it was an opportunity for me to be able to

get up and thank a lot of those people that have had, you know,

again, whether they were some of the people I've worked for or

just given me advice over the years.

And so it was a nice opportunity to get up and thank thank a lot

of them. But I will say you've missed the

point on that post because the best part of that was that the

horse right there we bred and we did sell him for not very much

money, but we did breed him. So we bred white Ovario and and

it was it really, I mean, it was a pretty nondescript in the

mischief. Philly wasn't much of a runner

and we we had a horse named Race Day.

He was standing for $7500 at the time.

And we said, OK, well, this, this is a Philly that didn't do

much on the track, but she's a daughter of End of Mischief and

be useful for supporting some of our young stallions.

And that's what we did. And, you know, a breeder Scope

and a Whitney and then, you know, a Pegasus.

You know, that worked out pretty well too.

So we'll ignore the fact that we sold them for not very much

money, but but. So.

So anyway, you know, look, being at Spencer, we have, you know,

we're very fortunate to have the resources we have and, and you

know, that obviously makes things a lot easier, but it's,

but what's best is the people, the ownership, such high quality

people and do things the right way.

And we've been able to put together a great team here.

So that's, you know, I, I felt like this weekend was hopefully

there's more great things to come.

I don't know that we'll ever be able to replicate this past

weekend, but I, I felt like that was, you know, the manifestation

of, of so much of the good things that have gone on over

here over the last 21 years. So that was that was a lot of

fun. Well, Ned, we appreciate you

jumping on very much. Ned, talking from over there at

Spendthrift, I'm sure we will see all of your great runners

out there at Delmar in just a couple of weeks.

But safe trips for everybody and certainly safe transport back

and forth to New York and out to California as well.

Thank you very much. Thanks, Dad.

There you go. Ned Soffee joined us here on

Blood Horse Monday. Appreciate him jumping in from

his perch there at Spencer. How about that?

Yeah, not a bad weekend. Not a bad weekend at all.

Like if you I would like we should put up a poll.

Honestly, who had a better weekend, Ben Thrift or Brendan

Walsh? Just put it up, see what people

think. Just do it, because I think

that's a. We can do that on Spotify.

What an absolutely absurd weekend for both.

But no, I love these kinds of interviews too, Sean, because,

you know, like in the spring, for example, and he's not a farm

manager at all. But but you know, we had Michael

Banahan on and when I asked him about, you know, the, the, you

know, down the the dolphin thing, like, what's that?

Like what is you know, how does all the farm and you know, like

just lit up, right, You get to add Ned.

Yes, Ned. You know, the day after a big

race, you know, you get back, you know, after the hopeful or

something. Is there a different energy?

Oh yeah, there's different. That's awesome.

So best stuff, right? 'Cause you we never get to hear

that part. That's exactly right.

And then we're just not at the farms the way that that, you

know, some folks are and and I just I love those kinds of

stories. It's a reminder that all of the

different levels of racing people have a level of ownership

of these horses, right? Because they're, you know,

they're, if you work at the farm or whatever else.

And so just the cool stuff, the great stuff there.

And I love how he describes that moment of seeing him the first

time, Like, is this just too obvious, right.

We all have that moment once in a while, right, where we see a

horse and we're like, that's it. That's that's done, we're going

to do it and so I appreciate that for sure jumping on the

program that way. A reminder too that this episode

is presented by our friends at Keeneland, the world's

marketplace. The Keeneland Championship sale

is Wednesday, October 29th in the Del Mar paddock and the

Keeneland November breeding stock sale begins Tuesday,

November 4th. You can learn more at

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Of course, someone who will be at the Keeneland sale.

Coming up here is John Green, DJ stable, All the things.

We'll talk to him next here on Blood Horse Monday.

Alright, busy show gets busier. Really glad to welcome in friend

of the show. At this point, John Green joins

us from DJ Stable. A lot going on with John.

So we thought, you know what time to check back in with our

guy from DJ Stable, John Good. What time is it?

Afternoon. How are you?

Everything's going great guys. What what can be bad?

I mean, it's beautiful out. We got the the best racing

arguably in in the entire calendar year and and and Sean

and I are 1500 miles apart. So I know it's all good.

That's the best part of this, right?

We were too close to each other, standing next to each other.

Yesterday in the paddock, there we were almost as close together

as Nitrogen was to winning the spinster state with Jin Jin

beating her there by a head. Just what'd you take away from

that race? I'm very proud of our Philly.

I'm very proud of of the the performance she put in.

If you had told me before the race, hey, you're going to have

a shot going to the the turn at the top of the stretch to put

away Thorpino Anna and, and have a, you know, a straight line to

the to the finish line. I would have taken that, you

know, 100 times out of 100. And that's no disrespect to to

the grizzly bear, to the reigning champion, because I

think that she, you know, is such an important part of our

industry. But if if you had told me that

we'd be in front of her at the top of the stretch, I would take

that in a heartbeat. Yeah, you know, that that race,

the one with Fiona earlier in the year, I mean, just how

unlucky could you be in those two races?

She's been incredible. Yeah, you know, she she's two

photo finishes from being perfect as a three-year old.

And and I hope that the take away from, you know, from from

the audience and and from the voters of the eclipse as I lobby

ahead of time is that is that, you know, she's done nothing

wrong. Her resume is almost impeccable.

She's won, you know, grade the top, you know, rated races for

three-year old Phillies on the turf and the dirt and, and the

fact that she's a home bred of ours, you know, really means so

much to to me and my dad. And, you know, my mom, when she

was alive, actually helped put together this mating of, of

Tiffany case to Medallia Dioro That, that, that got us, you

know, this wonderful Philly and in nitrogen.

And, you know, I, I think that that we've done everything we

can to try to get her in a position where she should be

atop the ballot, you know, for the Eclipse Awards.

But you know, this her, her chapter's not not fully written

yet. So hopefully we'll have another

one more big race coming up in November.

It's almost like he's talking to two Eclipse Award voters here.

I've. Never.

I don't know why he would do that.

Yeah, that's an obvious here. Weird thing to do, yeah.

You mentioned probably this one more start this year coming up

here in November at the Breeders Cup.

Obviously she's been good on both surfaces, but I imagine

based off the Alabama, based off of her race yesterday in the

spinster, you guys are looking at the Distaff, correct?

I would have to think so. I would think that that her next

race is going to be on the dirt no matter where it is.

And certainly the Breeders Cup is, is, you know, the one that's

most probable. You know, she has to tell us

like she's been doing her entire career.

She has to tell us how she's doing, how she's feeling.

And if it's, you know, if she's up to the task of going out to

California and running against the best mayors in the country,

in the world, you can say. But really on on the dirt,

they're primer in the country. And you know, it's kind of like,

OK, we took on this huge dragon in, in Furpino Anna and, and you

know, we slayed her and now we're on to the Oh my God, Now

there's a bigger dragon out there, you know, and, and maybe

a 2 headed dragon out in California that that Bob Arford

has. So, you know, I, I think that

that as a three-year old, she's done everything she can.

I would like to see her continue to progress.

Her three best numbers, according to buyer numbers at

least, are on the dirt and she's progressing 9193 and 95 in the

spinster. So I would think guys, that I'm

not breaking any news here by saying that that she's going to

be running on the dirt next time.

And then her four year old year, we are committed to running her

as a four year old, you know, assuming that she's sound and,

and then, you know, Mark and, and my dad and I will have a

wonderful chess match to decide, you know, how we're doing really

race to race. I mean, she's, she's equally

adept at, at running well on the turf and the dirt.

But I I think for her next race, we're ready to take on, you

know, all comers out in California.

You mentioned that the challenge that's ahead of her in

California, but even though she didn't get the win yesterday,

just how much confidence does that give you knowing she won,

ran past Torpedo Anna on the far turn, but two held her own and

almost beat these older Phillies and mirrors.

How much confidence does that give you?

Yeah, You know, she, she's, she shouldn't surprise me anymore.

You know, we, we, we ran her as a maiden against the boys, you

know, first time out and she ran second.

Then we ran her in a grade one right after that and she hit the

board again. And then as a maiden shipped her

out to California last year and ran her and she ran third in the

Breeders Cup Juvenile Turf. So we've always given her the

challenges that we think that she can handle.

And so far she's gotten over every single hurdle and, and

accomplished everything and then some that that we could hope

for. You know, like we mentioned,

she's a couple of of photos, a couple of head bobs away from

being perfect this year. But the she has been, you know,

a complete godsend for our program.

And we've been doing this for 40 years.

And I can, you know, with, with all humility, I can say that

she's the best horse we've ever had.

That race of course was at Keeneland presenting this this

version of the podcast hanging out with us this month.

And John, you are going to be at Keeneland for a very different

reason coming up here, what you all are calling a strategic

reduction of DJ Stable 2323 horses up up for grabs here.

What is the what's the motivation here?

Why is strategic reduction at this time?

Yeah. And, and, you know, this started

about a year and a half ago and, and my dad and I try to do

things a little differently than than the, you know, the way the

industry goes and we're trying to anticipate certain trends.

And, you know, we were early on in selling horses on the digital

platform. We bought a horse on the digital

platform and, and really liked the way that we thought that

could, you know, kind of dovetail into the existing

paradigm of the industry. And, and about a year and a half

ago, we sat down and we were getting frustrated because we

couldn't find mares at the top end of the industry.

We couldn't find value up in the upper echelon in the book one,

book 2 type of mares that could, you know, if they were bred

right, could get you summer sale horses or book one September

horses. There was just a a dearth of

inventory and we looked at it and was very, we were very

frustrated. And then we said, you know what,

maybe we should be filling that gap.

Maybe we should put some of our mayors that are in there that

are pregnant and that are ready to to be, you know, turnkey

investments for people. And then my dad to his credit

anticipated that the big beautiful bill would have such

tremendous advantages from a depreciation and a write off

standpoint. And I think we're seeing that

play out in the in the yearling sales for sure.

And it's actually even more advantageous to buy a pregnant

mayor from a tax standpoint. So, you know, so I'm again, not

breaking any news, but just we anticipated that this was going

to happen. And we thought, you know what,

we have over 40 bird mares and it's probably time for us to

reduce the herd a little bit. But we wanted to do it in a way

where there was critical mass, where we're filling gaps in the

top end of the market. And Keeneland to their credit,

stepped up and said, based on the inventory that you have here

are the ones that we feel like our market would really

gravitate towards. And then again, of the 23 mayors

that you mentioned, you know, they're they're all pregnant.

They're all pregnant relatively early covers.

And then we have another nine horses that are coming off the

racetrack that are going to be ready to be bred and have

equally long and and thorough commercial pedigrees.

You mentioned that Keeneland connection and them helping out

with hey, we think these are the ones that are going to produce

the best at the sales for a DJ stable group, how important is

that kind of relationship? Well, you know, it, it really is

when and, and again we're, we're, we're equal as far as

selling and buying at, at the three major, you know, sales

companies, OBS phasing and, and Keeneland.

And when, when we presented the idea to Fazig and to Keeneland,

both of them came in and gave us tremendous presentations.

We just felt like that, you know, the way that Keeneland has

their sail set up, we could have 14 horses on one day and 17 or

18 on the on the other day and have it be spread out a little

bit, but still have critical mass on those two major days

that we're selling. And just the night of the stars

doesn't play out unless you have a superstar horse.

And we are selling actually the first horse in the reduction

that we're offering is Vixen, who's our Pacoma Grade 2 winner

and, and, and played second fiddle to Nitrogen for, you

know, a lot of her career unfortunately.

And she's actually going to be in the night of the stars

because we felt like that she really deserved to have that

spotlight on her. But the rest of the mayors and,

and, and breeding stock that we're selling, again, 14 of them

are going to be in book 2. The remainder are going to be on

book 3. And we just felt like that, that

it fit really well. And again, Keeneland, to their

credit, did a phenomenal job of saying these horses should be on

this day, These horses should be on this day.

And, and you know, the marketing program and game plan that they

put together for us blew me away.

And I think when people come to our trademark and designated,

you know, Barnes, they're going to see more marketing than any

of the sales companies have ever done with regard to promoting,

you know, a group of forces like the ones we have.

They it was really incredible. Now, the good thing for anybody

who's looking into maybe purchasing Vixen is nitrogen's

going to be off the turf now, Thank.

You, Sean, I think I can owe you a Commission now for that.

I. Will I will take.

A Commission on that, but here in the Keeneland's November

Breeding stock sale hero, let's dive into a couple of these

mirrors that you're going to have available and some of these

Phillies. Bullet hip #328 in the sale

she's coming off. She won her first two races,

both stakes races. She's coming from the Flanders

family. Just tell us a little bit about

her. I know you guys are expecting

her to run the stakes here pretty soon.

Yeah, and Bullet has been just a a phenomenal Philly for us.

She won her first two starts for us.

Both were stake races. As a matter of fact, she won

the, you know, one of the inaugural Royal Palm Stakes,

which means that they or she had full entry to run at Royal

Ascot. And instead we opted to to keep

her here and and run her here in another state, which she won.

She had a little bit of a layoff due to an injury and came back

and hit the board first time out, knocking the rust off at a

race in in Woodbine. And it's the kind of Philly that

normally we would look to buy a daughter of Warfront, you know,

very athletic, early speed, great turn of foot.

And like you said, from the from the Flanders family, which they

just, they aren't making Phillies like that anymore.

John Green with us, he's from DJ Stable.

They're having a strategic reduction coming up at Keeneland

in November. HIP 397397 will be fate factor

and this is a info to someone people may have heard of.

Speaking of Eclipse Awards, in Flight Line, black type winner

comes from a strong commercial family as well.

Yeah, and, and, and again, Fate Factor is affiliate of ours that

comes from even before, you know, our own horse Papio, you

know, started winning great steak races.

It was Papa Cap and Papa Cat and, and, and, you know,

delicate dynamite and that whole family.

And then, you know, we when we were breeding these horses, we

didn't anticipate we were necessarily going to sell these,

these individual ones. So we rented a flight line and

then is there a horse that had more of an explosive first crop

than than than flight line as far as the sales go?

I don't think so. This is a Philly that you know

is turnkey 1 cover to flight line going to have a nice March

fall and and hopefully can ride the coattails of of the other

flight lines ahead of it once they start hitting the

racetrack. And some more recent success as

well too. She is in Brant's a member of

this family as. Well, right, Brant is in there

as well. I was a little disappointed to

see that Brant wasn't on any of the any of the Breeders Cup, but

I know that they have very high expectations for him and, and

are, you know, talking about him being possibly a Derby contender

from, you know, from a widely successful barn.

Would have been nice to have him get another Grade 1 here this

past weekend. Help you out a little bit,

right? Yeah, I, I, I got a feeling they

were probably keeping him in the barn just so they can go ahead

and bid on Fate Factor and be like, haha, look, they're

nobody's faults, believe me. Well, hey, the Breeders Cup

falls before the before the sale, so you got.

That right? Right.

Well. Another one that you guys have a

hip 499 here, moonlit garden, multiple grade at stakes,

winning mayor. She's in fold.

One of my favorites, Nyquist. Her falls have sold for 250,200

thousand. Just what are you expecting from

her? Yeah, Moola Garden is a little

bit older. She's, you know, a 2014 model

and but her first two falls, like you mentioned, sold so well

and are in the right hands. I mean, if you looked in in the

produce record as to which programs are going into, it's

the programs that you want your progeny to to to be brought up

in. And you know, we've read her to

Medallia Candy Ride, St. sense, Cody's wish and now Nyquist to I

think other than not this time, arguably maybe one of the best

stallions in the country. And again, a nice young son of

of Uncle Moe and Nyquist. And if you look at her pedigree,

she herself made, you know, almost half $1,000,000 on the

racetrack, multiple graded stake winner.

And there's only one dam shown on the entire page.

And to me, if that doesn't show you length of of a commercial

family, I don't know what will. But Amalgam Moon, who I think is

going to be one of the next great broodmare sires out there.

Again, turnkey kind of mare. Wonderland will be hip 274274

here. Medalladoro Feli Speaking of of

Cyrus that we saw have a great summer in Medalladoro here.

This is one that's interesting because of who the

relationships, the relations I should say, you know, just with

a 1/2 sister to a black type winner, you know, out of a

graded stakes mayor, that sort of thing.

Seems like the female line on that side real strong.

It really strong and and and it's only getting longer.

I mean, only lengthening as far as you know, what could be there

right now is, you know, it, it, it Wonderland is 1/2 the

chopsticks who won our first two starts, including a steak race,

didn't hit the board in a winning you're in over the

weekend. But I know it's in the right

program and and they're looking to, you know, constantly improve

and and keep those horses going in in black type races.

My guess, my prediction is that if you bought a mare like

Wonderland, who still you know, has some racing ability and some

conditions herself that you would see in another 3-4, five

years, you're only going to see one or two dams on that page.

There's just so many well bred Phillies coming out of Miss

Atlantic City and Miss Southern Miss that it's just going to

naturally fill in appropriately and you're going to you're going

to find a bargain if you were looking at a Philly like this.

And then hip 266, which ways this is an exciting young

prospect for you guys. A steaks place Mayor.

She was being pointed toward the Breeders Cup Juvenile Phillies

Turf before an injury. But since then she's had a

Gunite Philly. She's pregnant to Cogburn.

We all know how fast that horse was.

So a lot of a lot of speed there.

When you have a young kind of a young prospect like this, how

exciting is that for the buyers? It's which way was really

interesting because she was in Mark Cassie's barn and so I

would see her all the time and and I would always stop and go,

OK, who's that one? Who's that?

You know, and, and, and you know which ways obviously is a

daughter of cross traffic. We probably had the most

prolific daughter of cross traffic in Champion jaywalk.

So the cross traffics are a little, you know, a little I

have a little soft spot in my heart for for those kind of

horses, but I always walk by her and just was very impressed with

her presence and the way that she looked for confirmation.

So when she was available to buy last year in fall to goodnight

for the you know, in the 1st fall, we jumped at it.

You know, she was she herself was steaks place in the PG

Johnson at Saratoga, you know, during their you know, wonderful

meet and was really on course to run in the Breeders Cup Juvenile

Turf Philly race got injured. They better to Goodnight has a

crackerjack filly that we're actually going to keep and race

ourselves because we like the the way that she looks.

And then we wanted to continue to breed her to a little bit

more speed oriented horses, which is why we went with

Cogburn, because you know, when he was running, there was

nothing faster short of a Lamborghini than Cogburn.

I mean, he and and he did it everywhere.

Son of not this time again, God, God and fall on one cover.

And it's just the kind of mayor that that I think when people

buy, they're going to look out in the field and, and just like

I did walking down the shed Rd. they're going to be like, who's

that mayor? And and it's, it's which way

she's just a presence. Now for some people that are

that are watching this, maybe they're getting getting into the

sport for the first time. We've mentioned quite a few of

kind of these top stallions that you guys decided to breed to.

Just how important is the decision into picking the right

stallion, especially when you're looking at the sales market now

with the getting that commercial stallion to make sure that they

sell well? So that's a great question.

I, I think that that's one of the hardest things that we have

to do as breeders is decide, you know, who we're going to breed

our mare to. And there's so many components

that go into it from, you know, has the, has the stallion, Is it

the first year stallion, second year stallion, third year

stallion? Are there going to be discounts

accordingly? How many folds were in the

previous two crops? What kind of stud fee was the

horse standing for then? Meaning, you know, what kind of

mares were, were, were being bred to the stallions?

And then probably more importantly for me is the

physical component and the horse doesn't have to be picture

perfect, you know, conformed and and good looking like, you know,

like like Louis is OK, I don't need to see that.

I need to see something that's going to match up well with my

mare. So if my mare, you know, in

which way this case was a big strapping mare and maybe needed

a little bit of foot speed. That's why I was glad to see she

was bred to Goodnight and then we brought her to Cogburn.

Because hopefully you're going to see that the foals are going

to be able to take, you know, Papa's attributes and add them

to an already good looking Mama in, in this example, in in which

ways. So I think there's all those

components that that they get involved.

And then the other thing that we like to look at also is what

other programs are breeding and supporting these stallions,

because it used to be where, you know, horses would would be

syndicated, 40 shareholders would have it.

And then they were the ones that were pretty, you knew if, if a

stallion was going to have a chance because of, of this, the

shareholders, it's not that way anymore because, you know,

obviously standards are getting bred to so many more mayors.

So we, we try to take kind of a straw poll and get an idea of

which programs are breeding to, to those stallions and do they

race or are they strictly looking commercial?

They're going to spin the horses and let them sell for whatever

they sell for. So there's a lot of other

nuanced components that go into it.

And hopefully when you look at these mayors that we have that

are pregnant, you know, the due diligence and homework that

we've gone through and and, you know, built a successful

breeding program because of that formula.

What if the opposite person is listening right now, John, and

they've been in the game a long time, would like to buy one of

these horses? Where are they?

Where should they go For more information?

Well, certainly you can go on on the Keeneland website and, and

look it up. We actually have the pedigreek

herself, Ren Carruthers, doing summaries that we're going to be

putting out every day on, you know, on social media.

So you can get a summary of what's going on in the family

and analysis of of the genetics of it all and look into each of

those entries accordingly. And then, you know, of course,

you know, I'm on the Real Talk podcast.

So you know, you can certainly get in touch with me on on that

platform. But the main thing is that the

horses are going to be there on the grounds for almost five

straight days. So you're going to have ample

time to go and look and talk. And TaylorMade is actually

dedicated team members of theirs that are going to be in DJ

stable outfits in the maroon and white.

And those are the point people. So you can ask, hey, I saw that

this mare skipped a year. Was that because something was

wrong or because she was just being bred to an infertile

stallion? You know, why is there a gap or

you guys raised the the yearling that sold for $400,000?

How is that doing? There's going to be people all

throughout the Tailor Made consignment that they can ask

for information and, and really kick the tires for a good period

of time before before diving in and and making a decision.

But I couldn't be happier with Keeneland and our association

with them on this and, and tailor meet as well.

And I look forward to seeing people out there the first week

of November. Final piece of information we

need from you. I heard somewhere that you guys

are going to be raffling off nitrogen for free to whoever

ends up winning that raffle. Could you just tell us a little

bit more about that? Yeah.

Sean, I hadn't heard that, so I'll hear this.

More information. We don't use that. 4 letter word

free around here. You know, well, I don't, I, I

know that's that, that, that that's definitely coming from,

you know, from, from the TDN or something like that, that

that's, that's just false reporting.

We call the sport a free for a reason.

That's exactly right. All right, please, John Grady's

out there at DJ Stable. We appreciate him jumping on

again with us here on Blood Horse Monday.

John, I'm sure we'll see you down there at the sale and all

of the things, but all the best and thanks again for jumping on.

I look forward to it guys, and thank you again.

Thank you most for for saying I'm a friend of the show.

I I really genuinely appreciate that and I love what you guys

are doing. I.

Appreciate it. Great.

Thanks. There you go.

Thanks John. There you go.

So John Green, DJ Stable, that was a really roundabout way to

say that he would never send me to the breeding yet.

I mean, that's that's what he just did.

I mean, I don't even know. Like he's like, he looks

perfect, but we're not. Going.

Yeah, we don't. We don't.

We don't need that. Yeah, that's not.

The We don't need to be, you might.

Look perfect? I don't know.

I was getting brutal for me. I'll tell you what, it's not

good, man. It's not good.

I'm getting replaced every week. John's saying I'm not worthy of

the of of the shed row is ridiculous, right?

I know you're like, well, I mean, to be, to be fair, I

don't, I don't know how well you how well your racing record is.

Yeah, no, that's fair. I'm not sure you have the

credentials to come. In I was the kid who ran, but

not the I ran cross country to play a winter sport.

I was that guy. That's right.

I was to try to get into shape for whatever we were doing in

the winter. That's exactly right.

Oh, man. But gosh almighty, a bunch of

great information there. It's the thing about this show,

Sean, that has caught me the most off guard is how much I

enjoy talking breeding and sales.

Yeah, I did not know that I was going to enjoy it as much as we

have been able. To do it well, it's been such a

such a good year at the sales, especially looking at the

yearling market and all that excitement that when we talked

with Frank about this a couple episodes, all that excitement

that's building in the yearling market that's translating to the

2 year old sales. And then that's going to end up

translating here into the broodmare side of things.

And we just talked to John about all those stallions that these

that these are pregnant too. A lot of the big name stallions

people are going to look at that.

They're going to see flight line as you know this, there's going

to be a flight, they're going to see flight line, Cogburn,

Nyquist, that this fool is going to be born in a couple months.

And then they can either race them or turn them around and

sell them themselves. And I appreciate John, by the

way, too, just upfront about the economics of this too.

Yeah, right. I just like we don't have to

pretend about this, right? I mean, bills come out at the

federal level and they're good for this.

OK, great. Let's let's take advantage.

Let's be out of it, right. And and so I think I think that

part is appreciated, the candor there because I do think, look,

this is a good time for us to sell these horses.

So we're going to do it makes sense to me.

So there you go, the QE 2 this weekend at Keeneland.

It's always an interesting spot right this close to the No, but

seriously, this close to the Breeders Cup.

A very difficult turn around, especially when you have to

travel as far as these horses would have to travel, but just

as a race. How prestigious is this for you?

As far as the racing at Keeneland, this to me is way at

the top of the list. For some, yeah, this is up.

There, I don't know why, but it is it's way at the top.

It's one of those races. It might be because the list of

winners it's always. Very, yeah.

And it's it's, I think it's one of those races where I've gained

more respect for it over the last couple of years being like

actually attending the race than I did beforehand, like before I

moved out to Kentucky. Because when you think about it,

a lot of the three-year old fillies, just because the way

that the Philly mayor set up at the at the Breeders Cup, where

you're gonna obviously have to be facing older horses, you're

gonna have to be facing the Europeans coming in maybe.

Japanese horse or something? Japanese horses I'm sure will be

coming and so you're going to have to face all that.

For some of these three-year olds, you don't want to take on

that challenge yet. You're looking at maybe next

year. So this is kind of like the end

of the year championship. I feel like for the three-year

old Philly turf horses, this is a race.

I'm sure if Nitrogen had not been as successful as she was in

the Alabama, she would be in this race for sure and had she

not made that switch over to the dirt.

But it's really become, and sometimes you do see the winner

of this race come out and run back in the Breeders Cup and run

very well in the Breeders Cup. And I think that's probably why

it's gained some procedures because the ones that have

actually come out of this race and ran in the Breeders Cup have

performed pretty. Boy or won both.

Yeah, yeah, she's absolutely yeah.

Yeah. So no, I just it's it's one of

those, you know, you and I are very similar on this actually,

where it has grown a prestige in my mind over the years because I

know the like you just said, the condition is is limited, but the

field is always great. It's always great.

And you get a certain number in the same way that we're now

watching, you know, the jessamine, every starter except

one made their last start at Kentucky Downs, OK, in the

jessamine. OK, that is a massive change in

the world. OK, But this race because of its

time after Kentucky down sets up that way as well, where if

you've got a good turf, you know Philly in this area, go run at

KD, come up and run at Keeneland and you're you're gonna go for

about a month and a half. It's.

Yeah, it's a good little two race 2 race schedule there for

you. You get all that, that lucrative

purse money down there at Kentucky Downs and you come up

and you get the Grade 1 here at Keeneland.

Then then if you're looking at, you know, end of the year and

talking about the sale and the breeding stock sale, you could

then transition those two race schedule into the sale right

after. Right, right.

I wanna, I want to ask a trainer in the middle of November, did

the irrigation system at Kentucky Downs make that more

like the, the running surface of many other tracks?

And so horses coming out of there are much, much more ready

to go because in that jessamine it was dominated by horses from

Kentucky Downs dominated and they all look very comfortable

going flat ground. So I, I, I would love to know if

that if that irrigation just enough of a change to the

surface that it was a little less taxing on the horses coming

out of. That that's an interesting

question. And, and, and then it wouldn't

be, oh, it's the undulations in the hills.

And no, it's just, it's a good surface and let's go run.

I, I think we're going to find out in November, I think,

because I that stat about leaving Kentucky Downs and going

to a Breeders' Cup in California is ugly.

It's like over a billion and that could change this year, I

think. Yeah, I I think they're like a

Wimbledon Hawkeye or something like that could end.

Up and we're seeing that Jessamine being a good example,

we're just saying that the quality of horses running at

Kentucky Downs is much better than it was just even just five

years ago. And so now and like we saw this

year where I felt like we played a little bit, the Kentucky Downs

meet played a little bit more to form this year and you started

to see kind of, you know, the horses that were supposed to run

well, we're running well. And so I think that's maybe a

sign that, you know, that that's just the talent level.

But then as you said, it maybe has to do with the track to

where it's not playing like more of the other tracks.

Now we're going to start seeing kind of the wider success of

these Kentucky Downs horses as they come over to Keeneland, as

they, you know, the ones that stay in Kentucky when we switch

back over to Churchill for some of those graded stakes races

next month. And then obviously the Breeders

Cup as well. Wherever you're watching this,

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Yep, read the Stallion registry exactly.

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There you go. So they'll go check those things

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Am I going to say his name correctly here do you think?

We'll see. Ned Toffee?

Yes, how about that? Brendan Walsh?

Yep. John Green not gone.

Dream. We won't do that to him.

Is that the name of the next for us?

Get it done, John. We'll see you next week on Blood

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