All right, welcome ahead. It's Saint Patrick's Day
edition. I'm Blood Horse Monday.
Louie Rabo. Sean Collins.
I I see. I was going to call you like,
Sean Mccollins or something like.
I feel like, no, no, you don't like that.
Oh, Sean Collins, something like.
That oh, that would work. I'd be down for that one.
Oh, Sean is kind of hard. I don't hate that.
Yeah, with you it is a blood horse.
Monday for Saint Patrick's Day, March 17th, 2025.
Appreciate you hanging out with us.
We'll talk with Hunter Rankin from the Flying Dutchman folks
connected with the Owen Almighty.
A very, very cool interview there.
You will learn his path moving forward this spring during that
interview. Very cool that Hunter was
willing to share that with us today.
You'll then hear from our guy Frank angst about dollars and
cents. The OBS sales will wrap up some
of the talk around that as well and get his votes on the NTRA
polls as well. Sean, you finally got to cross
off Colonial, yes, off the track list.
And this is this is something you care about very deeply is
getting to as many of these places as possible.
Put you on the spot here. So if you remember what we
talked about last week when I went to Tampa, that was, do you
remember which number, Track 40, that was for me. 41
thoroughbred, 45 total. Wow, you got it.
So that makes 46 total for colonial downs in my 42nd
thoroughbred. Good job.
I know how many tracks you've been to.
I have no idea what my wife's favorite color is.
How about that? How about that?
Yeah. No idea how downs.
Kidding. Honey, it's red.
I know. How'd you like Colonial?
I loved it. It was a great weekend.
They did a great job promoting the race.
There was a big crowd there, and one of my favorite moments was
before the race started, as they were loading into the gate,
Travis Stone, the track announcer, he kind of made an
announcement that the road to the Kentucky Derby has now made
it to Virginia, and the roar from the crowd was he said.
That just sent chills down my back.
It was pretty cool experience to be there for that.
That's fantastic. Couple things stood out to me
about it and, and I'm I'm such a sucker for the big tracks, the
aqueducts, the bail bonds or they're just these big, you
know, wide open, wide open, just wide ovals, all those sorts of
things. And Klodio's got that feel for
sure. So this race was really fast,
but it never feels very fast at these places.
It's incredible. Even Justify looked a little
slow with the bail bond. Didn't he just 'cause the he?
Wasn't, but it looked like 'cause it's just so big.
That's. Exactly right.
And so Klodio has that feel. You mentioned the crowd.
It was so great. The pictures were great.
The noise on the simulcast even was spectacular, but something
even bigger than that stood out to me.
And that was that Virginia's governor was there and that he's
been very vocal about this. And you know, at a time when
we're talking about decoupling in Florida and different things,
it's a reminder of in Kentucky #1 how spoiled we are here that
a guy like Andy Beshear is on the big screen for Breeders Cups
and different things, and he's at the Derby every year and all
that. We've also got guys like across
the aisle with Damon Thayer here in Kentucky working really hard
on historical racing and all those kinds of things.
It just, it gave me, it gave me a a fair amount of hope about
Virginia racing, that the governor's showing up.
Yeah. It's always great to make sure
that you have that backing because you see like a lot of
states where sometimes there's, there's some question on, you
know, how much longer racing's going to be viable there.
You look at what's going on in California right now with the
Northern California tracks shutting down, and to see a
state like Virginia that's been kind of kind of, you know, on
rocky waters with the racing industry a decade or so ago.
Yeah. And so to see them now, you
know, kind of fully backed from the government aspect as far as
the support and to see the crowd support that showed up to watch
this race, I think it was remarkable.
Well, Speaking of the race, let's watch the the stretch run
here. Travis Stone on the call down
there at Colonial Downs. They're off the turn in the
Virginia Derby, American Promise clear by three as they head for
the final furlong. American Promise trying to pull
the upset getaway car has given way, rendered judgment.
Omaha, Omaha, the Virginia bread coming down the center, but
American Promise has A5 length lead, 100 yards to hold it.
Now it's 6. And now it's 7, the Virginia
Derby to American Promise. Nice win by Lemon Muffin, huh?
Those words came out of my mouth last week.
That's a real thing. American promise.
OK, so here's what is difficult about big tracks, and it's why I
brought it up in the introduction.
Everything at big tracks like this looks a little bit slower.
Yeah. This race was 23145 and 23 flat,
45 and one and one O 8 and one for the three quarters, 133 for
the mile. This was actually a very fast
race up front. And then he does this in the
stretch. I get it.
Does he look tired? Kind of right, kind of.
And he's not having to go very hard at the end there.
I understand. 133 flat for a mile.
That's Derby time, buddy. Yeah, that's that's Kentucky
Derby winning time. Can he repeat it?
Can he do it over two turns? These are real questions.
Can he do over 10 furlongs? All of those basic things?
What do you initial? No additional.
Thoughts. I'm still, it's been 2 days and
I'm still trying to figure out what I think about this race.
It came out of nowhere from him. You know, he had not been
running well in the two previous attempts on the Derby trail.
He, you know, he took it right to getaway car the entire way
and then kept on going. So that was a very, you know,
powerful performance because we talked about getaway car just a
few weeks ago, how impressive he looked, no question battling
back in the Sunland Derby. And he didn't really have any
chance against him, it seemed like, as they were coming off
the turn. But, yeah, I just, I, I don't
really know what to think. It was a great final time.
It set the track record, which I know they don't run the distance
very often. They're on the dirt at Colonial.
But still, you know, 146 was a .41, I think was the.
It's very fast. Yeah, that's very fast for.
And I mean, he did that while the jockey was standing up
celebrating the last 16th of a mile.
What are you on your handicapping is mile in an
eighth, a mile in an eighth Are do turns matter?
I'm a turns matter guy. I'm a turns matter guy depending
on the scenario because it's something like this like where
he kind of went to the lead early.
I think not having that second turn is beneficial versus, you
know, say, you know, one of the horses that had been sitting in
mid pack came up and won the race.
I don't think it would have mattered as much.
So I think in this kind of front running scenario, especially
when they went as quick as they did, I do think only turning
once was very beneficial. We did see on the same day in
the Virginia Oaks, a grand motion trainee on the outside
get the win here. Only her second start ever
again. Back to Colonial Downs and
Travis Stone on the call for this one.
In front, finally set down for the drive.
They're off to turn 1-2. Inonima still clear, finally.
He's been trying to get by the entire race so far, but Inonima
still in front, heading for the final furlong.
Finally, he's going to try and lift once again.
Early on is coming down the center, down inside Icona Mama,
Inonima still in front. Here comes finally, who keeps on
fighting fondly. She's 2 for two and she's Oaks
bound to. 2 for two at Oaks bound to our guy Travis Stone on
the call there. Appreciate all the folks at
Colonial. Their replays for Blood Horse
Monday here with Sean Collins. I'm Lou Rebeau.
All right, so this was the performance of the day for me,
was it? I thought she looked great.
I always look for this time of year, Sean, the developing 3
year old Philly, who's willing to be in the lead.
If you watch this stretch again, and we will right now, watch the
four horse here in Anonyma, right?
Watch her start to drift. She's in the two path right now.
Watch her come out. There's three, right?
She's not switching leads. And then watch right about here,
she hears, look at that. Out to four, out to five.
The jockey's trying to get her to switch leads to the left.
Irat's doing the job here. I I thought this was so
impressive, she was willing to go buy in only a second start.
And we're talking about breaking her maiden at Tampa at a $32,000
maiden special. And there's nothing wrong with
doing that at all. Want to be clear, but that was
as a three-year old, no races from her.
As a 2 year old, this was a very, very impressive
performance to me. I love the tenacity and I love
the desire to be out front. Especially with young Phillies,
there seems to be something about that temperament.
When they get a little taste of the front, they want to be out
there. I love that about her.
There were two things I really liked about this performance
from her. The first was earlier in the
race, she broke really well. She had the lead and then when
an Anima came up to her, she did relax and she backed off the
pace. So I did like seeing that from
her. It is only her second start.
She's coming off of A4 length victory in that maiden race
where, you know, she didn't really have any competition
there at the end and she dug in and she worked to get by that
horse. I like seeing that second time
out. I think that can only make you
stronger next time. We'll see whether there's
another time between now and the Kentucky Oaks, but I think that
definitely is pointing in the right direction for her.
She's going to be one of the top three-year old fillies that as
the year goes on. Not every young horse takes to
Irad Ortiz Junior very well, too.
She does. She's totally OK with his style,
with his, you know, his urging, whatever you want to call it.
She looks very comfortable with him.
That is. That sets up to be really
interesting and grand motion. Frankly, the last 18 months or
so, there's a real renaissance in that barn and we're seeing
many, many more good runners both in the Mid-Atlantic, of
course, where we always think of him in Florida too.
He's running up against some of the very best connections
etcetera. And he's been really, really
good. It is nice to see fondly and you
know, almost a an homage to this being a Mid-Atlantic, you know,
a little three day festival kind of thing that a grand motion
horse would win a race like. This exactly.
Yeah, that was great to see, you know, having kind of that local
representation winning on their big weekend.
All right, so Sean's been to 46 tracks.
I'm very impressed, but also not impressed.
I'm just. I'm kidding, Sean.
So glad you got to Colonial. Of course, the two winners down
there, of course, American Promise and fondly, Hunter.
Rankin's gonna join us now, for he's the president of Flying
Dutchman Breeding and Racing. They represent Owen Almighty on
the Derby Trail this year. Welcome in Men on the Blood
Horse Monday. Hunter, Thanks so much for
joining us, buddy. How are you?
Yeah, doing great. Thanks so much for having me.
Yeah, no problem at all. Hey, man, you get into that
Tampa Bay Derby, we've seen a couple of good performances out
of him. Obviously the DQ disappointing
over the seven furlongs there. Comes back rundown, gets in that
classic sort of stretch tool. Probably the best one of the
Kentucky Derby trailed at this point outside of the Sunland
Derby. There in the Tampa Bay Derby.
He comes back off those local performances, goes ahead and
dominates. You've had some of these, you
know, big 2 year old names shipping in last year.
What did you expect going in, you know, to that Tampa Bay
Derby from Owen Almighty and did he exceed your expectations?
Yeah, he did a little bit. You know, we we thought going
into the Sam Davis, he was really doing well and in the
Pasco where he won but got got DQ D.
You know, he he wanted to lean on the other horse there down
the lane that that naughty Rascal, and he wanted to just
kind of look at him. So we had we put blinkers on him
and I rad thought in the Sam Davis, he's still because we
just put put the cheater on him. And he thought in the Sam Davis
he still was kind of, you know, he went by that horse and then
Brad's horse came back and passed him and nothing against
Brad's horse, but he I rad really thought there was more in
the tank there. So we put a Fuller Cup on him
and and he really responded to that well.
So we were, we were very pleased.
You see him get away early in that race and you see him get
that kind of lead. I mean, you had to have a ton of
confidence once you saw that kind of move early.
You talk about Irad. I mean, how much obviously he
knows the horse. Trust you trust him with the,
you know, knowing how much he's got left in the tank there.
He pulls away. What are you thinking?
Yeah, we were all very excited. I mean, the family was all there
and minus a couple of them, but most of the family was there
and, and they, they just had a great time and, and you know,
that's what you, you're in this business for is to have days
like that. So it was a lot.
It was just a ton of fun. And, and yeah, when he, when he
got away with 48 and change on the lead, I, I really thought
he'd be hard to pass. Well.
You mentioned that change with the blinkers, just it's those
little changes that you see trainers are making, owners are
making to their horses. As you're kind of going through
the Derby trail here, as you have that 2 year old turning 3,
you got Brian Lynch in your corner.
Just tell us a little bit about having him as the trainer and
like how he recognized that that was something that would be
beneficial. Yeah, we're so lucky to have
Brian and all the guys that we deal with that are our trainers.
We've, we've got a pretty high concentration with Brian and
he's just, you know, he works really hard.
He knows his horses really well. You know, he's there every day.
And I, I just, I, I think, you know, training horses is a lot
about showing up, you know, and, and, and he, he just, he's a
great horseman. He's a great guy.
And like you say, I think you have to listen to the, to the
rider. You got to listen to the horse.
And it's the, it's the little things that make the difference
sometimes. And, and hopefully, you know, we
really found something with this, but you know, it's as the
distances get farther, we'll we'll see, I guess, but we'll
see what happens. Hunter Riken's with us.
He's the president of Flying Dutchman Breeding and Racing,
representing Owen Almighty on the Derby trail this year.
Luther Beauchamp Collins hanging out with you on Blood Horse
Monday. You're involved in the purchase
of this horse at the Phasic Tips and Select Yearling sale in
2023. Up at Saratoga, $350,000
purchase. What did you see back then that
gave you confidence that that he was worth that kind of money?
Well, we were looking for Phillies that sale actually.
He he we looked at him a number of times.
He was, he was consigned by the Northview people and they really
did a good job with him. They bought him as a yearling
out of as a weenling out of Keeneland, I think.
And we were looking for Phillies, but we spotted a few
Colts and he actually RNAD in the ring.
And we happened to actually Jocelyn, who works for us,
happened to see that. And we ran over to to to make an
offer because we really liked him when we saw him.
But it's it's just not what we were looking for at that sale.
So it was kind of a circumstantial thing when we got
lucky. Yeah, once in a while you have
to kind of play on that. But you know, he's talented too.
You see, you know, you see that there's there's obvious talent
here. Gets a little sick before the
Breeders Cup. Can't run there.
Just take us through the emotions of knowing, hey, we
missed out potentially on the spot of the Breeders Cup that we
thought he was good enough for. But man, he comes back and he's
just flying at three years old, it's got to feel really good.
Yeah, another thing Brian did great with him, you know, he, he
recognized that the Breeders Cup probably wouldn't going to be
the right thing for him at that time.
And and he had a stomach issue that we had to deal with and,
and so we had to give him a little time off.
We, I think we gave him two or three weeks off just walking and
then he got back to light training and, but he's just
developed really well. He's always wanted to be a good
horse. He's he acts like a good horse.
He trains like 1. He switches on and switches off
when you tell him to and and just a class animal, you know,
and we're so lucky to have him. Obviously we got to ask the big
question that everybody's wondering right now.
You know, you win very impressively to Tampa Bay Derby
in a mile and the 16th. I know there was some talk
before that race from Brian, from, you know, some other
people involved with the horse that you were kind of thinking
Pat de Mile was the best option for him going forward.
Obviously if a performance like that, the Derby dreams got to
start entering the mind a little bit, where do we stand right now
as far as where that decision is?
Yeah. So we're going to take a shot
with the Derby trail still, you know, we're going to keep going
on that, on that track, on that track and see how far you can
take us. The family that we all work for,
I just can't say enough great things about them.
They're just amazing people and and they deserve to have really
good things happen to them. And I don't know if he's the one
that's going to take him to the promised land.
I mean, he obviously there's limitations with pedigree and
whatnot, but he's done nothing wrong.
And they they would really like to to proceed forward with
trying to get him to the first Saturday in May.
And Brian's going to try to get him the best he can on that day
and see where the chips fall. We haven't really made a plan in
terms of what's between now and then, but just hoping, hoping we
can get him there and hope he runs great.
I'll be at the Wood Memorial, so you should send him to New York.
I'll be at the Bluegrass so. You can send the memorial.
OK, yeah, I'd say there's a good chance he ends up in one of
those. So you're looking at he's
definitely probably going to run another prep because I know the
thought was with the Pat de Mile that if he ended up going there,
he probably wasn't going to race again.
So you're looking at potentially another prep before the Derby?
Yeah, I thought, I thought with the Pat de mile, the 8 weeks
would have been good because you're cutting him back and and
going back to one turn. And I think, you know, just
being totally honest, I think eventually long term, you know,
his best days are probably going to be around one turn.
But but horses change and horses surprise you.
And, and he ran so well the other day and I know he got away
with, you know, a fairly easy fractions, but he finished in 29
and changed going to the last five sixteenths.
And most sprinters can't do that after running, you know, close
to 7/8 of a mile. So I, I think, I think that he
has the ability to do it and the owners really want to go and,
and you know, that means a lot. So I, I think we're going to,
we're just going to do our best. Otter Rankin with us, part of
the O and Almighty team on the Derby trail.
Sean Collins Lubro hanging out with you on Blood Horse Monday.
You know, you talk about this, you know, 8 weeks off cutting
back in the Pat Day Mile and, you know, maybe trying them in
the bluegrass or wooden, whatever Florida Derby, whatever
might be ahead of the Kentucky Derby.
Are you able to separate in your mind because I can't do this?
I'll be very honest. Something we say in horse racing
is if a horse doesn't win the Derby, we're not going to hold
it against him. And I feel like we do that
anyway. And then we see horses like
Whitmore finished last in the Derby, go on to obviously
stellar careers, fierceness last year for sure.
You know, Sierra Leone is, is part of that, that photo finish
for the three-way, but doesn't win again till we get to the
Breeders Cup Classic, that kind of stuff.
Do you think you know your, your ownership group will be able to
tease apart those things and be, you know, kind of OK with
whatever happens that way? Yeah, these, these guys are,
it's a family. It's the the Borsma family and
Travis, the, the guy we all work for.
And then Peyton, his son Peyton is actually with us and he's our
COO and he's just an amazing guy's just getting ready to
graduate from the University of Kentucky.
But they, they've actually been in the, in the game a little
longer than what Flying Dutchman's been around.
And they've, they've bred, they've bred horses on their
farm in Oregon. They've, I mean, they've really
done a lot more than than what people know about.
And they've seen the highs and lows.
Maybe not at the level of of, you know, being on the Derby
trail, but they, they know horse racing and they know that it
doesn't always go your way. And so, yeah, they're, they're
incredibly reasonable. They know the challenge, but
they also know the opportunity. And you know, I, I think for
them as much as anything, this is about the experience of, of,
you know, having a horse with a chance and, and enjoying the day
and bringing their whole family. And so, you know, when you, when
you look at it from a logical perspective, maybe you would
decide to say, Oh, you know, we'll go to the Pat Day Mile and
we'll we'll, you know, stretch him out, maybe if he's good
enough down the road or, or whatever.
But you know, people aren't in the business to go to the Pat
Day Mile. I mean, I hate to say that, but
so that's right. That's right.
So it's, and it's, it, look, it's once we made the decision,
it's exciting for all of us too, because you never know on that
day what can happen. I mean.
You know, strange things happen in that race and, and so we'll
hopefully be there and we'll hopefully have a have a chance
at it. And look, I mean, I haven't
hosted any Road to the Pat Day Mile shows.
Yeah, I'll say that again. That's what happened the other
my career. No offense to Pat Day himself,
but you know, I'd rather. I'd rather run mean a little
offense to Pat Day. Don't put words in my mouth,
you. Don't know, maybe, you know,
personally for me, if I ever owned a horse, you know, I'd
much rather run like 7th, 8th in the Derby than win the Pat Day
Mile. So you know, it's one of those.
Things whole question, I'll let that.
One. OK, I'd much rather do that.
Yeah, I just, you know, I'm right there with you with that.
You know, we have the opportunity to be in the
Kentucky Derby. I think I mentioned on this show
a few weeks ago, I would like when people give the horse the
chance to go to the Derby. And so you have a very good 3
year old on your hand. But you also mentioned a little
bit about the ownership group. I know you guys just kind of
recently purchased a farm near Lexington.
You're picking up some mayor's at the sale.
Last year you mentioned how you were looking for Phillies when
you'd first picked up Owen. Almighty's just going to take us
through kind of how Flying Dutchman's involvement in the
game is currently evolving. Yeah, well, we've got a very
committed owner and ownership family and, and as as I said,
his son Peyton has been really, really helpful to our team with
how we're approaching, you know, what we're doing.
And, and it's just great to have not only Travis, who's really
interested in this, but Peyton and all his brothers and their
mom, Jen, they're all really bought in and really excited
about what we're trying to do. And we want to play the game at
every level. And, and you know, we've got
we're up to 14 or 15 mayors now and we're going to try and try
and grow that as best we can, probably double that number,
maybe even a little more than that.
And then we're going to be active, you know, at the
yearling sales mostly, I would say.
And then we bought a few 2 year olds here and there.
So, but the yearlings is where we kind of focus our energy.
We did, but we did buy one weanling last year.
But yeah, it's, it's we're building for the long term.
We're trying to buy Phillies with pedigree like everybody
else is. And hopefully we can home grow
some some of the some of the ones that that we get excited
about. But obviously we're going to
build through the sales as well. So it's it's a comprehensive
plan. And like I say, it's just we're
so fortunate to work for such great people.
You mentioned buying yearlings and, and more than two year
olds, for example. Is there a part to that that you
could, you could help us out with?
Is there is there a part of your your strategy as a group to take
on yearlings rather than two year?
Olds no, I, I I love shopping the two year old sales.
I really do. It's just it's very, very
difficult. It's it's very when you buy the
types of horses that these this family wants to buy, especially
in the in the two year old game and it's very, very hard to buy
some of those horses. I mean, I think with the, I
think with the yearlings, we've found that we can just compete a
little bit easier on what we're trying to buy.
It's not to say that we were not shopping the two year old sales
because I actually really believe in the two year old sale
market and I really believe that you know it's a it's a good
place to buy a good horse, but we just haven't been as
fortunate yet in that market. We've been, I think, I think
we've, we've just done better at the yearling sales and because
of that I think we're going to continue to build that way all.
Right. You mentioned that we hear the
last name Borsma. We know that's a Dutch last
name. We know about Oregon.
So of course coffee has to be involved.
That's how it works. You involve Oregon, you involve
the Pacific Northwest. Coffee is involved.
You understand me, young Sean Collins on this Saint Patrick's
edition of The Blood Horse Monday.
All right, So what does this horse have to do to get like a
signature latte named after? Like what do we got?
That's not a question for me, but I'm sure I'm sure he could
get one if if he wins the Derby, maybe we'll Owen he's named
after, you know, they have this naming process.
They name the horses right after you buy them.
So right after you buy them or right after they're born,
they're named within 24 hours. So the family all submits names
and they vote on them and the the winning name.
You can't vote on your own name and the winning name wins.
Well, Owen Almighty is named after the the Steve.
Carell character. He's the second youngest son and
he's a great guy and he named him himself.
He named Owen Almighty so. You know what, you know what, I
I don't like guys that get their own nick.
Like, they try to give themselves nicknames, but if
you're a little kid you get a Derby contender named after Do
it, Get out. He's not a little kid, he's in
high school, but he's we. We love the name we.
Love I, I think I saw him mention I was a interview with
our good friend Jenny Reese after he won the Ellis Park last
year. I think he mentioned that was
like his name that he had created when he and his friends
were racing like their scooters against each other or something
like that. So that name's been around for a
while, and now he. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sounds like. Yeah, it was a good, it was a
good, good one to name that because he's he's a cool horse.
He's mighty. Man.
Well, Speaking of cool horse, I know I got to see him quite a
bit last year when he was at Churchill.
Churchill's backsides reopening tomorrow.
Are there any plans as far as when he's going to be back in
the Bluegrass State? Are you guys waiting to pick out
a race or is he going to be coming up a little bit sooner,
stay in Florida a little bit longer, kind of what's.
His, I think the chances are, Sean, he'll end up, you know, in
the bluegrass. I, I don't know that for sure,
but I think that's, that's kind of what we're looking at.
And if that's the case, then he would ship either, you know,
either he'd work and then ship right after I work, say, 1312,
thirteen days out. Or if the weather looks like
it's going to be iffy, we might wait and ship him the week of.
But he'll be back in Kentucky soon.
Sounds like I can sleep in tomorrow and I don't have to
worry about getting to Churchill for when he gets there there.
You go no, no van, no van videos tomorrow is what you're saying?
No van videos for me tomorrow. Please, Hunter Reagan, I joined
us from from Flying Dutchman breeding and racing the own
almighty connections there. Well, safe trips the rest of the
way. Hopefully we'll see you first
Saturday in May or shuttle running you and Caitlin, I'll
see you at the Aqueduct whenever it might be.
Thank you. We appreciate you man.
Thank. Thanks so much.
Appreciate it guys. No problem.
There you go. All right.
Well, I guess the news there, of course.
What's going on with the trail and bye?
I like it. I like the.
Move. I know you do too.
I was very unpopular last year because I thought the endlessly
folks made the right decision. I thought they made the right
decision too. I thought it was.
I thought it was good for them to take the shot.
Oh, and almighty and endlessly show this one right here.
But you're also, you're talking to a Kentucky Derby superfan, so
I'm like, hey, you got the points, you're running.
So I'm glad to hear they're taking the shot.
I do really like him and I think he's a versatile horse.
You know, we've seen him went on the lead last time, but we've
seen him sit off the pace and run well too.
So I think that's really going to help.
Him, that's obvious, right? That's not not the question at
all. And I we brought this up
numerous times. If if Brian never mentions the
Pat de mile, are we talking about distance?
Probably not. I mean, there would be some
people that would be, but I don't think it would be as big
of a debate. I gotta say, I mean, this is
part of that, you know, this is part of those conversations and
I appreciate it. Hunter talking about this, where
the family, you know, if you're in this ownership and you've got
a serious Derby contender. Oh, and well, mine is a serious
Derby contender. Let's call it 1 of this, right?
I mean, if we're only wandering distance, that puts him in the
category with, I don't know, every other freaking horse in
the race. Yeah, right.
Every horse we have that question about.
And so if that's the question and you've got what that's an
honest horse. He shows up every race.
Yeah, every single time. How many horses that we've had
questions of distance have ended up winning the Derby?
Yeah, it's happened all the time.
All the time. So no, I the tail, it's obvious.
Hopefully it keeps developing. Brian Lynch knows Churchill as
well as anybody. Yeah, he really does.
So this is, you know, I just think of he's.
Gonna be in his backyard. You know, right, just
spectacular, spectacular. So hopefully up here for
Bluegrass, it's exciting that he'll be running again.
I I have really appreciated about this Derby trail that
we're seeing the this field size to start to tick up.
Yeah, right. And, and that's a good thing
always. I don't know if it's because
they they implemented the rules about it, but it's it's working
if they if that's what it is. But we're gonna be drinking some
when almighty lattes on the show after after the first Saturday
in May. How long until we get those
turned around you? Like the question, did they?
Yeah, well we'll talk to our guy Frank Angst up next.
And just a reminder from our friends at OBS that the seeds of
success are planted in the spring and nowhere due buds and
tell it bloom more than the OBS April sale of two year olds in
training. 9 graduates from OBS April have won grade one races
since 2024, including the champagne and hopeful sticks,
with the most recent being Cavalieri winning the
prestigious. But hold her mind.
We talked about her last week. The two year old source for the
world is fertile ground for victory.
See who blossoms next at the OBS Spring Sale from April 15th
through 18th. They got you know, you get that
tax refund, go buy a horse. You know that's how this stuff
works. Yeah, so.
Speaking. Is that what we're doing?
Boy, I've never got no tax return like that.
Hangs. Never got a tax return big
enough to buy a horse. Not a good one.
Yes, we bring Frank in, of course, for our dollars and
cents a segment, but of course we want to start with that OBS
recap. Frank.
Of course, one of the big stories early on was the
weather. Once the wind started to, you
know, subside a little bit, we saw some more normal times,
workouts and different things. What did you think?
A pretty successful sale overall.
Yeah, I mean it just nice overall, finished up numbers
wise better than last year. You always like that they had a
big horse sell for $3,000,000 and Sonic Gun Runner.
OBS record I believe, right? Yeah, and great story there that
the pit, the consignor Eddie Woods a long time pin hooker at
the OBS sales. He plans to retire after OBS
April. It's he might have another trick
up his sleeve a next month, but as it is now quite a quite a
nice walk off as he can sign the $3,000,000 Gun Runner Colt.
You know, that's very much the story of that type of sale.
That Colt went out there and worked 9 and 3 fifths go fastest
furlong of the you know, of the work session and just kept it
all together through the ring and and impressed the buyer at
the Natalami for sedan racing. So just a terrific story all
around there. You know when we talked with the
folks from OBSA couple weeks ago, you did a segment obviously
with I have her last name in my head, but Olivia.
Was Olivia Newman Yeah last weekend?
I had Newman in my head for some reason I, I felt stuck in my
head. Sorry, Olivia, but Olivia was
down there as well. You know, we hear Hunter just
now, right? Talking from the Flying Dutchman
perspective about buying yearlings because of the
competition at these two year old sales, how, how competitive
it gets. I think $3,000,000 is a pretty
good indication of that, Frank. Yeah, I think what Hunter was
saying is, you know, with just the like a larger selection of
horses at the yearling sale and you're taking a little bit more
of a risk because they're not as developed.
They feel like they can go in there and find some horses that
better fit their price point. Whereas he feels like if they go
to a 2 year old sale, maybe a lot of people looking for the
types of horses that they're looking for are falling in the
same range. So he's says he, you know, that
the yearling sale works in that regard, but he also said he
likes the two year old sales as well.
So, you know, it's a lot of times it's just being there and
and seeing what works out. Like as he said with O and
Almighty, they were looking for Phillies and like, you know,
they found a cult that they couldn't pass on.
So you got to be there first. They call it the practice of
medicine and the practice of law because we're still trying to
figure them out. I wouldn't, we should start
calling it the practice of bloodstock agent trying to
figure it out because it's no, because there's multiple
approaches here, Frank, right where you're looking at earlings
or weanlings even, right, you're talking about two year olds,
vital horse and training. There's lots going on.
And, and one thing I I liked about this sale and, and maybe
I'm tying two things together that aren't really tied
together, but but I, I kind of think they are, is it was just
nice to see with everything that's going on this winter with
the all the talk of the coupling and, and just some amount of
uncertainty in Florida to see the sale really come through and
have a nice sale. Just get back some positive news
in Florida and there's certainly a lot of people that are really
committed to making the Sunshine State a continued success story
in racing. So, so that, that was nice to
see as well. You mentioned Florida, we've
heard some some talk about, you know, changing of that bill and
and and you know, you know, moving it around in different
ways. It's not any better for horse
racing, correct? In terms of what?
Host You know the Legislature has made some changes to that
bill, to the decoupling bill. None of that is better for horse
racing, correct? Yeah, I mean, you, you still
don't. I, I don't really want any
version of a decoupling bill to go forward.
You know, let's that they should be tied together.
The the racing license, the casino license would not exist
without the support of racing. So that that that was put in
place from the beginning and and I think it needs to be that
commitment needs to continue. And I know, and the dollars and
cents segment this week at bloodhorse.com, of course, go
check out Frank over there. Get the Derby Dozen with our
guy. Who's our guy that does the
Derby Dozen. Byron King.
Oh, Byron King, you want that little Byron King on the website
as well. Of course, catch all the shot
stuff and Frank stuff, of course, over there as well.
You did a piece on the Oakland show pools.
And this is something for those of us around the country, we see
these on the simulcast, and we always think, man, it would be
nice if they did that at X track, whatever our old track
is. So what is this piece about?
What? How do you think this incentive
works? Yeah, I, I really do.
I think, I think it's a great incentive to get people out to
the track. And this, this will be in
tomorrow's edition of Blood Horse Daily.
It comes out tonight. So however you want to look at
it, but it's dated tomorrow. So if you're a subscriber, be on
the look for that. If you're not a subscriber, go
to bloodhorse.com and sign up under BH Daily.
It's free. It's a completely free
publication and and there's an app that goes with it that's
state-of-the-art. It's as good as an app that's
out there anyhow. So if you're not familiar
Oakland Park for their on track patrons, they pay a higher show
pool payout than what everybody else gets for that show payout.
The the show payout nationally is a 17% take out, but on track
it's only 10%. So you're usually looking at a
higher, well, not usually you're going to get a higher payout.
And the people, the people that support on the people that go to
Oaklawn have really supported that wager on their big days on
on the day that Torpedo Anna won the Azeri on the Southwest
Stakes day, they they like 25% of their handle on track handle
is through that wager. And, and on a normal day, just
for the whole meet, it's around 20%.
So it's really delivering. It's really become people like a
bargain and they see that that it's a good thing.
And you know what? I so much erasing has marketed
the pick sixes and pick fives. And I mean, that's fun.
I try to hit them, probably mistakenly so, but they're a,
they're really tough to hit. Hit B, you're going to be
competing with the best players in the world, including computer
robotic wagering syndicates. That makes it really difficult.
Those types of players are not in a show pool.
A&B. You get a higher payout if if
you're at Oaklawn to do that. And you know, when you go to
Oaklawn Park, it's quite an amazing thing is half hour
before the races, people are lined up to come into Oakland
Park. And when they, when they had
started this wager, there was a few years there that they're on
track, attendance had fallen below 5 figures, which is rare.
It has since come back up. It's over 11,000 last year and
they're looking like they're going to have that again this
year. So I mean, people are, it's the
type of wager that I think brings new people into the
sport. It's a type of churn wager.
People can try to keep it going. You know, if everybody, if it's
a group of five people and they, everybody kicks in $5 to get it
started and you go 4 races and you lose, you're kind of like,
well, we lost, but ultimately you lost. 5 bucks is one way of
looking at it. But or maybe you keep it going
and you cash out a nice price. Or maybe, you know, maybe you're
betting it yourself and it's just supply some beer money.
It it's really an approach it, it also fits in with Oakland's
overall approach there. They're really trying to provide
affordable sports entertainment. They they keep their prices low
for beers for, you know, a Coke, the concession stand.
And it all fits in with, you know, come out and have a great
day. Come out, bring the family out.
You know, I mean, we all know what major sporting events cost
this these days. And, and this is an alternative
of having a great day and really enjoying yourself.
And to me, all that lends into creating new fans, which
frankly, if you look at the handle numbers overall and
knowing what that computer robotic wagering teams are
putting more and more money in each year and yet the overall
handle keeps going down. I, I don't know that nationally
the approach like this is an approach that's working.
It's bringing people out to the races and creating new fans and
and we need more of that. I will say it definitely does
the job because I remember when I went to Oakland a couple years
ago, I was with my buddy Alex and we looked up at the screen
and we saw the two different show payouts.
So we were like, what's going on there?
Wait, you can bet more or win more money if you're betting on
track. So he and I started playing show
bets the entire rest of the day. Usually I never bet the show
bets at all, but we the entire rest of the day, we made sure we
had a show bet. And you know, as I used to be a
tour guide at the Kentucky Derby Museum.
So we talked to people who are not involved in racing all the
time. And a lot of times, like when
you're kind of explaining to them how to bet, you're showing
them how to bet. They do lean towards that show
bet because they know what that's probably their best
chance of winning something. And for them, the thrill is just
winning something. It doesn't matter how much they
win. They want to say that they went
to the the track and they won something, so that's definitely
a good entry point for a lot of people.
The other part of this that really works for Oaklawn in
particular is with the field sizes.
Yeah, the show betting is actually worth it as well,
right? So it makes sense in more than
one way. It encourages you to get to the
track. It's a bet where, hey, my horse
just has to finish in the top three.
It's not complicated, right? You're not figuring out some
kind of complicated part of horse racing that way.
The third part is when you have 11 horses in a field, you're
going to get a payout on the show.
It's not going to be 210 every race or something, right?
So I mean, that's the other part of this as well, that it really
does work for Oaklawn. I wanted to ask you 2 Sean.
Sean said he has to be a counselor about Saint Patrick's
Day edition of this. Frank, I know you get to vote in
the NTRA polls and you've got a Philly on top.
Yeah, you know what I usually, because I always vote based it's
it's a certain, certain art to it.
You want you look at what horses have already accomplished and
what who are who, What horses are coming back.
But I really ultimately want to go with what you've accomplished
this year. So I really just landed on
Torpedo Anna as the top horse 'cause she was Horse of the Year
last year and she's come back and won her first race.
At some point I might want to see her face males again, which
which she has previously. But but for now, to be Horse of
the Year and open up with a nice win like that that that was
enough for me to put her at #1 certainly being impressed by
White, a barrier locked and mine frame.
Sierra Leone will be starting this weekend.
So really exciting group of older horses this year.
Knock on wood, it's Let's keep that going.
I wanted to ask you, Frank, because you've done this kind of
research before for a Sierra Leone return this weekend, Sean,
and I'll talk about that at the end of the show.
Is it important as an older horse to have a good first race
or is it less important, say then you know, you've shown, you
know, hey, if you're coming off of a a win as a 2 year old, you
want to win your debut, to win the Kentucky Derby, etcetera.
Does that first race matter in a big way for a four year old?
I mean, I, I think that the Derby angle, it's so important
that you you don't miss a step because there's only so much
time to get ready. I I think with an older horse,
you just want to keep progressing, you know, toward
the, the year end Breeders' Cup really.
So I, I don't think there's as much of A rush.
I mean, these days with the number of times that horses race
usually most every time the trainer's looking to win, quite
frankly, you don't see a whole lot of trainers kind of race
their horses in the shape anymore.
Sierra Leone. I mean, he, he is that come from
behind style. So he does, I think.
I mean, he can create his own luck for sure.
He has won plenty. He's he's run well and one race
is where there really wasn't much pace.
So see, he's it's not like he's completely pace dependent, but
it probably helps him a little bit if he gets something to run
at which that's beyond his control.
But boy, he's a tremendous horse and and can kind of create his
own luck too. I, I think you want to see him
run well that, that's for sure. We get into the 100 pointers
this week. Frank tell be be honest here.
Obviously all of us at this table follow this very close
when we start with the year by September and all that sort of
stuff. But for your own personal, I
know for example, you, you love Cold Battle.
It's OK to say we could say that out loud.
That's a horse that you really love.
He's going to run in a couple weeks here in that Arkansas
Derby. When does Frank Inks really
start to to try to pare down who these great horses are?
When the post positions come in, I mean, I, I guess just in terms
of my handicapping, I've always tried to just, I just think
every race plays a little bit differently.
And until I see what the pace scenario will be, where, where
the horses have drawn, what posts, that's where I really
form my opinion. But I certainly have my opinions
on what horses have looked good so far.
And you know, Cold Battle certainly to me feels like a
horse of destiny on some level. I think the Oakland group of
three-year olds this year has been really good and he's at the
top of that. But journalism and sovereignty
ran as well as you can run and and Citizen Bowl has come right
back from his juvenile championships.
So it's looking like a really good in disco time.
I'm ready to see again too. So I just think it's a really
good crop this year. A lot of good, good horses to
watch. It's really balanced and all
throughout the country, all the different perhaps.
I'm excited to see all of these Hunter pointers because frankly
we're seeing like we're just, they're just going to drop
poster in that field for the Ruby, for example, right?
It's just talent everywhere, even horses that we haven't seen
yet. This year.
And on top of that, you know, you've got some legit front
runners, some legit stalkers, some legit closers.
So, you know, it's not like you're kind of trying to guess
who's going to be where. It's like you have legit horses
that can adapt to any scenario. Travis Stone always puts out
that the pace scenario, the five different types of runners,
Yeah, for the Kentucky Derby, and I always appreciate it.
And this year, I'm expecting, you know, essentially 4 in each
box. Yeah, right.
I mean it's going to be back. I think it's going to Even so
there. You go, well, he's Frank Eggs,
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We'll talk to you next week. Thanks guys.
All right, there you go. All right.
Of course, this part of the show, Sean, we always love to go
ahead and look forward to next week.
And of course that means busy time of year since some people
always ask me, Hey, what's going on?
What do you guys do for spring break?
Derby. That's what I'm doing for spring
break. My kids get to stay home because
Derby. That's what this is.
But we can see the 100 point races this weekend.
By the way, if you happen to be up at Turfway Park this weekend,
say hi, Sean bites. I don't it's fine.
You know, we'll we'll we can talk to you.
It'd be totally fine. We'll be doing a little bit of
stuff. I'll be doing some pre race with
my personal podcast, the horse racing happy hour as well.
So if you're up there, just come by, say hi to us.
We'll be sitting at the picnic tables doing stuff, whatever the
Ruby itself. You and I have talked about this
and it's something that I think you and I have done a good job
of. But I think the sport's trying
to figure out itself is what do we do with this Turfway Park
thing except that you get 2 fills and you get rich strike
and etcetera, etcetera. Sees the Gray, right?
We've seen these horses come out of this prep very, very well,
frankly, endlessly. I I get it, did right, you know,
So what, 8th or 9th in the Derby, something like that.
So not the end of the world, but.
And I still think when he comes back into racing, he's going to
be one of the stronger turf horses that we held right.
And that's the other part is like if he gets back to his
surface, he'll be fine. We mentioned, you know, a poster
in this race. Obviously we've talked with the
California burrito connections, all those kinds of things.
Do you think we're going to see a surprise here, or do you think
we'll get back to more of California?
Burrito asserts his dominance or posters.
Great. Or, you know, Baby Max is in
that spot. I don't know, I'm interested to
see with poster because we talked to Michael Banahan last
week and they said they do expect that he is long term
going to be better on dirt. But this kind of those race
setting up for him, he's usually going to be off the pace.
I don't know how much speed we're really going to have in
this race. I guess we'll have to wait and
see. Remember California Burrito and
the Battaglia just kind of they weren't really planning to go up
on the lead. They just kind of ended up
there. Now one of the horses I'm really
looking forward to see run this weekend is Flying Mohawk and see
how he's going to a run in New York because he's coming off 2
really good races on the turf, Two big wins that he had, their
last one being at Fairgrounds and it's trying to backdoor his
way to the Kentucky Derby here. Running in on the synthetic at
Turfway. Won't have a race on dirt if he
ends up making it, but part of the connections here.
Jason Werf with 28 Racing. He's one of the Co owners here
and so it'd be exciting to see him back on the Derby trip.
We saw this horse at Kentucky down trying to break his maiden.
They run into the Pilgrim of all things.
Yeah, while still a maiden at Aquida, while a maiden still
right finishes 5th in that race. I mean not the end of the world
frankly comes back wins that maiden race next outcomes back
as 3 year old on debut end of January.
You mentioned it on the turf, but against winters first time
goes ahead and wins that race as well.
Interesting on the breeding side of this because you it is a
twirling Candy mare. Yeah, Bonbons Floor and I I
never quite know what the twirling candies can't do.
Oh boy, they can do a lot. Yeah, they can.
And so this might be one where, yeah, he's good on the on the
turf, but, you know, get to that Churchill surface is just fine.
We'll find out this weekend if he likes to see us at dinner.
Yeah, and I really like to. This isn't just like a random
like, oh, he's ready for a race. We're putting him in.
I know from talking to the connections that they've been
thinking that Jeff Ruby with him for a while, probably since that
allowance went. So they have been thinking
Derby, even though he's been on on turf, they have been thinking
that for a while. So I think he's going to run big
this weekend. I guess it all comes down to how
he takes to the synthetic, but I think he's kind of one of those
interesting players that we haven't seen yet on the Derby
trail. See how he kind of impacts.
Things we saw Whit Beckman with Anna Marie last year in the
Derby itself. He's got numerous Oaks runners
that we expect to see either in that race or on that trail.
Maybe the Acorn, Black Eyed Susan, something like that
flight Mohawk Only adding to that, do we like the Eaks on
Jeff Ruby? Sticks.
I think so. I do too.
Yeah, I think we might have to go find Jeff Ruby afterwards.
Listen there, there is wagering to be done on Saturday if the
wagering goes well. I I think Ruby is one of those
things that you. Find so you're buying is what
I'm hearing. That's what you heard?
Yeah. All right.
How about? That yeah, I'm going to hold you
to that and. Then, of course, at the
Fairgrounds, we'll have the Louisiana Derby, the return of
Sierra Leone on the undercard. Pretty strong undercard pretty.
Strong undercard. That's exactly right.
I got to be honest, I, I, it gave me happiness that he didn't
ship overseas because we see so many of those horses run well
there and then they come back and it takes them so long to get
back in the rhythm. For some whatever reason it is.
We didn't get that with Sierra Leone.
So the Breeders Cup Classic champion is back this year and
he didn't have to ship to the Arabian Peninsula for his last
race. He's going through more of a
traditional North American route with this stuff.
I like that a lot. I'm excited to see him on
Saturday. I like the fact that originally
when they declared that he wasn't going to go to the Saudi
Cup, that they were targeting the Oaklawn Handicap and then
they ended up in this spot because Chad Brown said he just
he couldn't wait any longer. The horse was ready to go.
So I do like that he's already won at Fairgrounds when he won
the Risen Star last year. And as Frank said, you know, he
can adjust to the pace. So this is going to be really
interesting race to see, you know, his closing kick, how it's
developed as a four year old. Fascinating Louisiana Derby as
well. We'll get a bunch of names in
here that we know John Hancock scratches out of that Virginia
Derby to go the mile in three sixteenths.
We got to remember the longest Derby prep that we're going to
see is Louisiana Derby. John Hancock in here off of his
win in the Sam. Do we like him in this spot
rather than the Virginia Derby? And I want to be clear, I do, I
think this is a much better spot going to turn.
And I think, you know, he breaks from the rail and, you know,
he's going to be up there on the pace.
So I think that kind of works out for him pretty well.
Hopefully he doesn't have any kind of stumble or anything
coming out of the gate. He can get up there on the lead.
But yeah, I think this is a great spot for him.
And, you know, Brad usually keeps a string of horses down
there at fairgrounds. I like seeing him kind of stay
with that group rather than having to ship all the way up to
Virginia. I was concerned about how the
pace scenario would have set up for him in Virginia.
I think that proved to be a concert the way American Promise
went after Getaway Car. But American Promise kind of had
that trip that we were expecting John Hancock to have, kind of
being that pace pressure. So I do like the spot for him.
Other horses in here that we have seen before, obviously
Caldera coming out of that incredible stretch run in the
Sunland. Dirt, I'm going to ask you about
him because we see how Getaway Car came back this weekend.
So does that give you less confidence that Caldera?
Does it give you confidence that the horse that kind of took it
to Getaway Car was another Lucas trainee?
And so maybe he learned something there to beat Getaway
Car and Caldera will be good to go this week, weekend kind of.
How do you envision him? OK, so you and I have the same
question. And for me with Caldera, I'm not
going to hold the getaway car run against him in this case
because I think that pace in the Virginia Derby was going to get
one of those two horses. Yeah.
And it just happened to get getaway car happened to take him
down as far as just he was he was very tired.
But I think I'm saying that race and to be fair to him, he might.
We talked Paddy Mile midway car might be a bad day by all horse.
Yeah, I think he'd be very live in there.
But hey, he still has the points to qualify for the Derby that
didn't clinch that this. Weekend so I'm not going to hold
that against him. I saw enough from Caldera and he
picks up Tyler here. I I am not going to be tossing
him for my tickets. Well, we know he's going to have
a lot of fans on the track because I can say between being
at Tampa last week and being at Colonial this week, I've seen a
lot of Caldera hats in the last two weeks, even when he's not
been running. So you know my racehorse,
obviously they all got their fans everywhere, but just know
if he's in front as they're coming down the stretch, it's
going to be pretty loud cheer down there at fairgrounds.
And another group we've had on the show here built in this
race. Yeah, obviously they said look
away and look at journalism, but built his back in this one.
This is his audition. This is the audition.
This is essentially what will determine his future, how he
runs this weekend. I like him.
I don't, I don't think that he's going to have a problem with the
distance personally, from what I've seen, I think there was,
you know, the race that he ran in the Lecomte on that sloppy
track. I thought he was right up there
with disco time. I thought the two of them were
pretty good, pretty much on the same level when they came to the
finish there. I think the last race I think
maybe you just moved a little too early, which I thought was
the right move because he wanted to make sure he got ahead of
East Avenue, not not expecting East Avenue to run as poorly as
he did. So you kind of made that early
move to make sure you got ahead of him and then he just kind of
flattened out late. So I do like him on the bounce
back. So what are your thoughts on
Chuck A goal with him coming out of the Risen Star?
Just caught built right there on the wire.
It's an interesting one because he looked good, frankly, at
Turfway Park. I'm surprised they made the the
the move in the 1st place. Happy to be wrong looked really
great. The Risen Star last out.
So obviously they think there's something about either
fairgrounds or the distance or the surface whatever that
they're going to try him back in that spot.
I and and I don't know if it's a giveaway, but the fact that the
Ruby's out there. Yeah, and he's.
Been put on the synthetic on the same day.
And that's where he's based at. And he's based at Turfway, and
they ship him to Louisiana anyway.
Now, to be fair, it's a little bit more money in New Orleans.
Yeah, right. A little bit more money.
But yeah, to me, it's kind of not tipping their hand.
But yeah, no, I think they got a lot of.
Confidence here, I agree there. You go.
Should be a really, really great day.
I love that. What do they call it?
The Bluegrass Bayou. Yeah, the Bluegrass by.
Bets. I love those too.
Yeah, I'm a real. Sucker, you'll be playing those,
I'm sure. On track, like a good citizen,
you understand me? On track, That's right.
Like we heard with our guy Frank Eggs, of course.
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