Cigar Mile Preview | Bob Ehalt

I guess life is indeed good here.

I'm the horse racing happy hour. Lou, your vote.

Bob Evolt with you this week ahead of some cigar mile

Saturday. Excuse me.

Easy for me to say there up at Aqueduct.

The last rendition at Aqueduct as well.

Bob joins us from his home there in a Connecticut halfway between

Aqueduct in Saratoga, of course, on the beat for Blood Horse and

bloodhorse.com. You can find all of his previews

and recaps there as well. Bob, thanks so much for doing

this. Man.

It's been frankly one of the pleasures of 2025 getting to

know you. How are you today?

We're doing very well, always a pleasure to be with a man wise

enough to have like Ethical Diamond in the Breeders Cup turn

and to also like my singing, so you are a rare gem there in the

sport. That's exactly right.

Bob, of course, was part of our great coverage of Blood Horse at

the Breeders Cup, part of the Blood Horse Monday series on

YouTube. You can always find and you'll

see guys like Bob and the other folks there at Blood Horse on

that program as well. But wanted to get into a cigar

mile day with you, Bob there in, you know, on Long Island.

Last one at Aqueduct. I, you know, I made my first

pilgrimage to Aqueduct this year for the wood.

I wanted to make sure I was there before the the place

closed down. Wanted to see the 100th wood and

all those things. And you know, what bothers me

about about Aqueduct is how people talk about it, because

the the Aqueduct I went to was not the one that was described

to me. I had a great time.

That is a place packed with betters on a Saturday, despite

the weather. It was terrible that hit the

wood memorial. I mean, you know, I understand

why you would consolidate to one track in Queens.

I totally understand that. But this putting down of

aqueduct, man, I, I don't like it very much.

And and I I will miss I, I will miss the the betters at

Aqueduct. I was there when Kendrick won

his four thousandth race and jumped into the stands, you

know, jumped into the crowd, that kind of thing.

I hope they're able to carry some of that to.

It will be interesting to say because a lot, because one of

the key, one of the charms to everybody for Aqueduct is that

it has the subway station. So it's a lot more easily

accessible than Belmont Park, which really doesn't have that

that kind of closeness with the mass transportation.

They have the train station, but it, it's still a bit of a walk

and a bus. But you know, I, I think, I

think the one thing with Aqueduct is that, let me say

this, I have some nice fond memories of Aqueduct.

But when you're comparing Aqueduct to Saratoga and then

even Belmont Park and it's real beauty and everything, it's hard

to compete. And some of the things you may

not have seen at Aqueduct because I don't think it rained

last wood Memorial Day, but kind of when you're in a bathroom or

the press box and it's raining and there's like a waterfall

coming down, you kind of get the idea it's time to move.

On Yeah, no, that's right. And frankly, Bob, I have that

same sort of feeling about about Pimlico.

I love it. I'm a guy who grew up in the

Rust Belt, the upper Midwest, and so those old unrenovated

stadiums are very familiar, very comfortable for me.

But even I'm like, you know what we got to start over here.

We got to get this a new run and a new look.

And I think, you know, when I've interviewed people about Belmont

in the in the new construction there, Bob, the thing that has

stood out to to me, and I'm hopeful that people aren't just

blowing smoke at me, that they're being honest, is they

talk about sight lines, they talk about people being on

track. You know, in an era where part

of the issue, I think of getting new people into the game is that

if they don't ever go to the track, how are they going to

fall in love with this thing? I kind of feel, you know, if you

go to a hockey game, Bob, you're like, holy crap, this is fast

and interesting. They're running into each other

and it's great. Horse racing's like that for

sure. You can see it on TV, but you

don't know how fast this sport is until you see an animal that

size going 40 miles an hour right in front of you, that kind

of thing. I'm hopeful that the new Belmont

is really thinking about those kinds of things of getting

people, excuse me, on track, having good views for those

patrons. Because, you know, like I said,

at Aqueduct, there's a ton of guys in there every day, every

Saturday. I I really appreciated the size

of the crowd and the and the bigger, frankly the amount of a

slapping of a programs and races nowhere near New York.

It's a real charming thing to me.

So hopefully, hopefully they are thinking about the Pam with the

new belt. Yeah, I I think one of the

things now too to remember from Aqueduct is as when you saw it,

one of the reason why one thing why it does have a feel like it

is very crowded. It's that it's now really just

what was the clubhouse area? What is the casino now?

Used to be the grandstand and it was a, it was a, a big place.

I mean both it was not as big as Belmont per se, but it was a

very big race track. And you know, much like Belmont,

you know, it was it was empty when you have the big facilities

in those days. And I think one of the, one of

the keys I think to making this successful, it's, it's going to

be like you talk the sight lines and such, but you know, you're

talking about a mile and a half racetrack at, at Belmont Park.

So when the horses are on the backstretch, they're kind of far

away from you. You can't really do much about

that. So I, I really think some of the

key things they need is a lot of good TV's for people to see.

And I will say Naira, the, the tote boards, visual boards in

the infields, they are horrible. You cannot see the, it's, it's

really funny. You're sitting in the winner

circle watching the race and you know you're looking out and

there's the tote board not far from you.

You don't watch that. You watch a little TV in the

back of the winner's circle to see what's happening because

like ants on those screens. So they really have to get into

the modern era with like Monmouth has a beautiful,

beautiful tote board. And from what I understand, it

was paid for by the company that works the fixed odds with them.

So I'm hoping that Naira comes through with a state-of-the-art

taupe board that you know, that people can see the races without

really needing binoculars or to watch it on TV too.

So that's the key part of it I think as well.

I remember when they built the huge one at Churchill Downs.

I do not know if you've been to Churchill since they built it.

It's bigger than the one at Jerry World of all of eggs for

the Cowboys. And I remember thinking, man,

this is too much. No, it's not.

No, it's not. It's actually a very helpful

thing to have because no matter where you're sitting at

Churchill, you know what's going on, right?

You have a clear idea of what's happening.

And like you said it, Belmont's an even, it's another twofold

for, you know, it's a half mile longer than the Churchill Downs

mile track there. And so if you're, if you're

trying to really maximize those sight lines, you got to embrace

the digital part of this. I'm totally with you, Bob.

And look, if it breaks up the camera angle once a race on

those races to have a, a stanchion for ATV or whatever

out there, so be it, because you got to get people off track.

If we're going to, you know, get people back over to these races,

betting on them, etcetera. So hopefully they'll figure

those things out as we move away from Aqueduct.

On this day though, do you have a favorite Cigar Mile memory or

maybe a Remsen or Demoiselle memory as we as we shift to

Belmont Park for these races? Well, mostly, you know, remember

this was something a relatively, it's probably 15 years or so

that they did start packaging the three races together.

They used to be separate. The 2 two year old races would

be on one day and what they called the Naira started out as

the Naira Mile and then became a Cigar mile.

The separate, you know, so yeah, there, there, there's a few, I

mean 1. You know, you look back and you

know, you you didn't know it at the time, but you, you did see

greatness like when you saw a cigar when what was the Naira

mile before he it kind of early in his win streak.

It was cigar before he became cigar and the unbeatable

unconquerable magical cigar and he that was pretty impressive. 1

cigar one naira mile that I remember out on the racetrack

was I believe it was 2012. It was a year goopy doll that

came in and she faced stay thirsty and they put on a heck

of a show as a great finish. And it was really a great rate

because you know, the Philly really ran her eyeballs out.

Kind of deserved to win, but she didn't.

And also Stay thirsty, who was a, you know, really good horse,

but he was always kind of overshadowed by Uncle MO and I

do believe it was his last race. So I think it was that was

really nice to see him go out with it.

Back then. It was a grade one get that win

on his final race. And I, I thought that was one of

the, you know, one of the better ones.

Either go ahead. I was going to say, is there a,

is there a 2 year old race that stands out that you remember

certainly a just a couple of years ago Sierra Leone coming

flying late? Yeah, that that would say that

that was really one of the one of the real highlights of

seeing, you know, Sierra Leone and door knock, the show they

put on in the Ramsen. And little did we know how good

both of them would become. I mean, that was a very, very

impressive race by those two. And certainly, you know, you

could have a maybe a repeat of that in Saturday's race.

But if I want to, if I'm going to add 1 little one thing, I'll

go. It's a little off.

It's a little different topic. You had nothing to do with

equine runners, but human runners.

The one I'll always remember, I believe it was, it was either

the second or third, I can't remember now, that the, the race

used to be called the Naira Mile and the first one was kind of

marred because they had a jockey strike.

They did have a great horse and 49 a run, but you know, they had

these jockeys you never heard of and such who were brought in to

ride and it was something. So then I believe it was the

next year, they decided to do an event and they called it the

Naira Media Mile and they asked the riders to run in a relay

race around the inner track. Now, OK, this was going back to

1988. Now I was, I was in, you know,

like 32 back then. That was the youngest guys in

the box. I mean, that's, you know, there

was a lot of guys, you know, Russ Harris, a lot of these

guys, they're not running a mile.

They're not. Running a mile so.

You know, get E Hall to these other guys to get out there and

run. Well, I said, OK, I'll do it.

And I trained for it. It was was told it was going to

be a four person team and we'd each run a quarter of a mile and

that was fine. And you know, I said, OK, I'll

do it. I was in good shape.

I I had a lot less weight, a lot more hair, things like that.

We've all been there. I.

Trained and I did do my training.

I did some running to go mile and a quarter to go the quarter

mile and I said OK, I could do this.

Well, we get there and they give me and we start divvying up

teams and they did bring in to help us.

And so the thing wouldn't take five hours.

They brought in some like real track runners to be on the

teams. And I was with one guy and he

was, he was another guy like me and was in pretty good shape and

he was fine. But then the 4th person they

gave us was this woman who, you know, a little older.

I mean, she had to be in her 50s.

I mean, she was at least 20 years older than me, and I was

30. And I know. 400 meters spread.

And I'm saying, Are you sure you want to do this?

This is, you know, we're running a mile and we're running a

quarter mile and she, oh, no, I'm in shape.

I could do it. This is fine.

Was that OK? All right, So they set up the

rotation that the other guy would go first, do the first

quarter mile, I would be on the turn and do the second, Second

quarter, she would go third, and then our big actual runner would

finish up the thing. So it's OK.

All right, so we go out. So I'm watching the guy, the

race starts and I'm watching my, you know, guy come up toward me

and I'll turn around and look. Well, there's the woman walking

by me. I said, what are you doing?

You got to be out on the back stretch.

And she says, I'm not doing this.

I'm exhausted just walking out there because they didn't give

us like a truck or anything that you had to walk to your spot.

And she said, I'm not doing this.

I said, wait, wait, wait, wait. What?

What? What?

So the guy comes to me and now I got the baton and I'm saying,

well now I got to run 1/2 mile. Yep, there it is.

And so I said, OK, here we go. All right, all right, I'll do

it. I'll do it.

So I start running on the turn and I'm like, OK, yeah, this

isn't bad, I could do this. Well, then I saw what horses go

through because I hit the backstretch and I just saw the

length of that backstretch and realized I got to run all that

and then get to the quarter pole to give the baton to this guy.

Oh my God. I was like, OK, I, I was just, I

was like a crippled claimer. I was like at the end.

And what we had set up was that we told the, the fast guy, once

the woman hits the turn, go run up and go get the baton from her

because we think she's not going to be able to.

We didn't think she'd do the whole thing, but we thought

apart. Well, we're all dressed.

They gave us these Gray sweat suits with Naira Mile and Blaze

and Donna and stuff. I think the woman wanted the

sweat suit, that's why she was doing it.

But anyway, we're all dressed like that, so he doesn't know

it's me. So he's standing there at the

quarter pole waiting and I'm like, so finally I just start

waving to him. Come on, will you come and get

this thing? And I was so beat up.

I after I I was full of mud. I look like a 10,000 claimer

Seattle Slew just dusted. I was full of dirt and mud and

it just exhausted. My legs hurt, my body hurt and I

had to go stay and cover the race.

So a lot of these guys, they had a party afterwards.

They all partied and left. I had to stay there and work.

So that that was always probably my memory of a of a Cigar mile

or media or an IRA mile day. I won't forget. 400 meter

sprinter Bobby Hall with us here on the horse racing happy hour.

Appreciate him joining us for Blood Horse.

You can find all of his coverage there.

Fun fact about Aqueduct with Equestrus, which is the

restaurant upstairs open. It was the largest by square

footage restaurant in New York City at Aqueduct.

And so we did our show up there. We did a preview this show a

preview show up there and I loved it.

I I'm such a sucker for older, you know, mid century

architecture and that kind of stuff.

And I so aqueduct was was very, very comfortable to me.

I hate to see it going away, but hey, we look, I get it.

Sport needs to modernize. This is one of those things that

needs to modernize it. So I'm certainly not gonna fight

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We'll move on to the handicapping here on the Grade 2

Demoiselle is early in the card. Race 3 here.

It's a mile and an eighth on the dirt and I wanted to ask you

about that as we move to Belmont Park.

Do you see these races changing in distance as we move forward

because of the track layout there at Belmont?

Obviously with the Shoot, you can run it a mile and a 16th,

something like that over the one turn at Belmont.

Do you see these moving to one turn in the future?

Oh yeah, no, they have to at Belmont.

There's no doubt the, the, the, the shoot is actually pretty

long. They could go a mile and an

eighth on a shoot. They did that in 2020 for the

Belmont, right? Was it a mile and an eighth out

of the shoot? I.

Remember that right? Yeah, I think so.

Yes in the 2020, but they they can have mile and in a three

they actually could do a mile and a quarter.

Well, they used to be able to do a mile and a quarter shoot.

That was what they had, the famous roughy and foolish

pleasure. Oh yeah, yeah.

Mile and a quarter on the shoot. I have one turn, one turn, mile

and 1/4, which is how big now. They did stop that after the

fatality, but and I don't know it will if it's actually

available anymore. Now they start the mile and a

quarter on the turn. But but they but the distances I

think can be able to stay the same.

They'll go a mile in an eighth. It'll just be one turn, kind of

like the Saudi Cup these days. But you know, like you will not

basically the only time you'll the the horses will be starting

in front of the people would be for a distance turf race or the

when the synthetic opens kind of a mile synthetic race.

They'll start, you know, go around once.

But the mile and 1/2 is basically going to be for the

Belmont and maybe a handful of races throughout the year.

Interesting. Yeah, mile and an eighth on the

dirt going two turns. It is a mile and an eighth

track, dirt track there at Aqueduct, $250,000 on the line

here. 2 year old Phillies and boy this is that was all is a

nice race. Historically.

It is a good predictor of success in the early spring, at

least for three-year old Phillies as well.

Where'd you land in this one, Bob?

Well, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's an interesting

race because you really don't have a lot of, you know, graded

stakes form in the race where you, you could put together, you

know, I, I, I kind of leaning a little bit toward, toward the

outside. Rapoli and Fletcher have a horse

believable. It's a daughter of Curlin.

So I think, you know, she's only run the 11 turn flat mile.

She's now getting the, you know, the added distance of a mile and

an eighth has a Curlin. I think that'll suit her.

I think she has a nice running style for it.

She seems, it seems she could either sit back 'cause she was

on the lead at a mile in in her debut win and then she kind of,

I think they wanted to, you know, try to harness the speed.

I, I think what I see in that the speed figures are not

exactly stand out, but I do like the pedigree.

Johnny V is riding that one for Rapoli and Pletcher.

I I think he's going to, she's going to be a main contender.

They the same people also have Orzani who won a very nice

maiden race on the lead, showed a lot of speed.

But you know, there's a lot of speed in these race, a lot of

these races with the 2 year olds.

So, you know, I'm not sure how fast the fractions are going to

work out, but you know, is to say that one they put I rat on.

So you know that they like that one too.

So the, the Pletcher hand looks good.

I think the other one I'd be most concerned with.

It's kind of an obvious one if you're in New York all the time,

concurrently trained by Chad Brown, where seems to be getting

better with each start. Certainly he does, you know,

know how to get horses to go two turns and distance races.

So she would be in the factor. But I, I think that's kind of

like the key ones that I, I looked at in this race.

Any surprise though Floppy Pride has the mount on concurrently.

Any surprise he stayed up there for the winter?

I think it's a good move for him, frankly.

Well, it is going to be no other real jockeys.

I mean, you know, he's really going to just dominate and the

purses are like, the purses are better. 80,000 like every 5th.

Yeah, the purses are better than in New York than anywhere else

in the country outside of Kentucky, right.

And, you know, if you go to Kentucky, you're riding a

turfway on the on the synthetic and you're not picking anything

up. At least here you're going to

ride with, you know, for some of the top outfits and you know, he

he's this is for him. If it if all goes according to

plan and everything. This could be like one of those

winters when you had Coffin or Chris Antley dominate, you know,

winning 345 races a day. I mean, people are going to want

to ride. They're going to want to ride

Pratt and I, I think you know, and, and you could you know why?

I mean, he's just winning everything when he's getting on.

So the fact I, I, I don't blame him.

And especially unfortunately with the injury to Dylan, that

creates even more people looking with good horses, looking for

riders so. If you're going to go to the

outside here with believable, if someone said, hey, I really like

Schilling for many of the reasons that you mentioned.

You know, Kenny Mcpeak working this one from 6 1/2 to 7 to a

mile going the two turns here. I know it's a global campaign

and so we're not thinking in the Curlin line or anything like

that, but she showed herself really well last time.

Would you give her a shot here as well?

You know, I, I think in this race it's like it's hard to say.

There's really a toss out in the race.

I mean that's the that's the part when they get these young

horses together. I, you know, I, I just think in

like when you look at this, like you look at the speed figures a

little bit. You know, she if she could get

back to her maiden when she's definitely right there.

But then you know what happens is there's speed figures and

there's also class that you have to take into account.

So she moves from the maiden race into into a stakes and the

speed figure drops. So against, you know, when

you're facing better competition, it's harder to

replicate what you did. So certainly if she gets back to

her, to her maiden effort, yes, she's a definite main contender.

I I think it'll be interesting to see what kind of odds that

horse gets, because you do know that the Fletcher and Chad Brown

horses are going to attract the bulk of the money if you get a

nice price on that horse. Yeah, I could see that one

coming into the picture. Bobby Hall with us from Blood

Horse. We are previewing Cigar Mile Day

at Aqueduct. Move on to race 5.

It's the Elite Power Stakes Grade 3 here.

Hold 6 furlongs on the dirt, 3 and up and a quarter, $1,000,000

on the line in this one as well. El Grande O in as the favorite

here. Were you surprised to see El

Grande O to have the favorite here, Bob?

No, I mean, you know, he really ran a really nice race last

time. It wasn't an allowance.

He does have some stakes experience.

You know, you might, if you go further back, you'll see that,

you know, this horse was running in some really good 2 year old

and three-year old races. He's got a lot of back class.

You know, I think the last race was very impressive problem to

me. I think he might bounce even

with the time off. I mean time off is not

necessarily mean. Oh, you're going to erase the

bounce. You might lessen a bit of it,

but you know, sometimes the horse is still sometimes bounce

and if he bounces, he might be a little bit vulnerable in this

race because you see his stablemate, you know, Acoustic

Ave. he was in that same race. He's a head off off El Grande O

and he's lost his last two races since then.

So, you know, now there and again he maybe came back a bit

too fast. But you know, like I say,

sometimes there's a race and it's very hard for a horse to

duplicate it. I think that was it's going to

be a little hard for El Grande O to duplicate the last race and I

think that brings him back to the rest of the field.

Yeah, El Grande O Man, his last win without Lasix was in the

Sleepy Hollow back in October of 23, so I do wonder if he's a

little Lasix dependent. Bob, I'm going to try Full Moon

Madness here. The two horse I'm going to I

think Ricardo's been really excellent this year in New York.

Not so much this meet hitting an 11%, but still mean peppering

the board all over the place. This one was third in the in the

bold ruler last out and I think Damon's mound Bucharino that

kind of Group A little bit better than this one.

So I'm going to give the horse a little bit of a class edge that

way. If we get that, you know, this,

a horse is 1/4 times on the track in the trifecta at least

eight times out of 12 runs, 4 for 9:00 at the distance,

etcetera. I, I don't know if he's still

got it here Bob, but if he does, it's this, it's going to be here

third in the cycle, etcetera. Coming out of that bold rule or

something to try because I think I'm going to get every bit of

four to one on that horse. So by the time we get to the

gate, so I'm going to take. A shot.

No, I, I, I like your logic with him.

I think, you know, this might be a race where you don't really

put a lot into the speed figures because of just the way some of

the horses are. Are they going to be, you know,

like I say, these horses are not machines.

They don't automatically replicate their last speed

figures. Sometimes they go forward,

sometimes they go back. You got to kind of understand

what the form cycle is. So with my thinking that Al

Grande is going to go back a bit, it opens it up.

I was, I'm probably leaning toward just beat the odds.

He doesn't, you know, he's been running an allowance races, but

he's got a lot of speed. He's in good form.

His trainer, Greg Sacco, very underrated generally when he

yeah, he generally has a live horse.

So, you know, I, I think that one to me is kind of the horse

that I think it is, is in the best shape to run a prime

effort. Maybe it's not good enough.

You know, he's testing the the company, but I, I, I don't see

this as as much as it's, it's a grade 3 stakes.

It's not overpowering. I I think he can make the jump

from the allowance company that he's been into the to this

greatest stakes and be very effective.

Bobby Hall with us here on the horse Racing happy Hour.

Get into the New York Stallion Series here.

Half $1,000,000 on the line as we get into the late pick four

race 8. It's our two year old Phillies

on this side of it. This is the New York Stallion

Stakes, a series here. Bob, do you like having these

these New York Stakes on the same day as the Cigar Miller?

Would you rather they have their own kind of their own kind of

stage one day? I, I think they should have

their own day. I mean, this is a bit much.

You, you know, I, I mean, you're talking now 6 steaks on one day

and then a lot of the other Saturdays they just have

allowance races and, you know, I, I think you could, you didn't

really, I think need this. It is they, they attract a lot

of horses. I understand that.

So maybe, you know, having them in the late pick six, they think

is going to attract some more money.

But I, I just think in terms of your overall package, you know,

having this on another Saturday as the, as the main things you,

you're going to, you're going to give, you're going to give, give

people more of a chance to come out.

Because, you know, I'm sure a lot of these races do attract a

lot of the owners and, and the connections and things like

that. the Breeders come down. I, I think to give them their

own day. I, I, I think makes a little bit

more sense than kind of packaging them together.

But, you know, we'll see maybe if the maybe if they handle

numbers are through the roof, yeah, then they know what

they're doing. But I, I think just in terms of

the overall winter package, because things could get dull

and, you know, you would like a little something.

It's nice to see, you know, a lot of people in the paddock and

things like that. And to have this day and then

maybe next week to have this race, you know, I think it gives

you something kind of good to build into the winter. 13

Horsfield here, should be a fun one.

My top 2 are both 6 to 1. Bob, who'd you land on?

I, I, you know, I'm, I'm going to look at Daniella Maria,

Daniella Marie. I agree with you.

I, I, I think we, you know, really fast fractions.

I mean, I know, I know the horse won in a maiden.

It was a, it was a maiden claimer, but it was open

company. And you just look at the

fractions she's contesting, she's going to be the speed of

the speed. I think there's a lot of horses

in here that are that have speed and if she kind of puts away

that early speed, I I think she might be able to, to pull away

in the stretch and hold off the closers as they come.

I mean it's, it's actually one of the better additions this

year. I will say these races have

gotten better because I was always mystified that you offer

a $500,000 purse and you were getting first time starters and

it was like how if you have a horse now I understand this is a

specific condition where you have to be a, a sire in New York

State to you know, so not every New York State bred is eligible

for this. But if you have a horse that

fits this condition and it's got some talent, how, How are you

not pointing for this or giving your horse a race?

Yeah. Right to enhance the things.

So it's really it's a it's there at least you have a lot of

established form in this particular one.

There's an issue with the male one that we'll bring up later.

But I, I think it's, it's an interesting race.

When I looked at it, I kept seeing speed after speed after

speed. And then when I look at the

fractions that she contested, if those weren't like some sort of

bias aided fractions, I think she'll be able to outrun the

speed and to put her in pretty good shape.

Yeah I've got braver than you believe the 8:00 and then the 12

Danielle Marie on top for me here Bob.

I went 8/12/10 and one I'm fascinated by the 11 and here

she's country who's going to try dirt for the first time.

You know this very well in the state bred conditions we fight

we see a lot of horses switching surfaces just because that's

what's written for that day right.

Being able to run for a half million bucks doesn't come along

for horses too terribly off. But what do you what do you make

of the Weaver starter? Trying the trying the dirt here.

Well, you know it look for 1/2 for a half million dollars,

you're going to try it. I mean, I mean that that's, you

know, that's. The 3rd place check is OK, and

that's very understandable. And I mean, we and there's a lot

of other parks associated to these races with bonuses.

If you're the owner and the breeder, you're getting extra

money there there. There's a lot of money attached

to this. So if if you feel you have a

horse that fits the condition to go now, that doesn't mean that

the horse is a good dirt horse because you really have nothing

to go off of. You might look at some works and

say, well, working good in the morning.

Well, working good in the morning doesn't always equate to

working running well in the afternoon.

So it makes it a bit of a handicapping puzzle.

You know, I think a lot of times you look at the price and you

see is it worthwhile of a gamble to take what figures she's

running? And you know, you're going to

have to play a guessing game is is she going to replicate that

figure? Is it going to drop back?

Is it going to go forward There really not a lot of evidence to

to tell you what to do. I mean, the breeding would kind

of indicate you could do the dirt.

But you wonder, well, why didn't you run on the dirt?

Because, you know, if because you knew this was you, you want

to win this race more than $125,000 race.

So did running in those kind of races with those turf races just

setting her up. It's why they call it gambling.

It it it's very hard for you for somebody to to make a

prediction. One thing I will say if you look

out when you look through the horses, one thing I will say, I

believe last year Honest Mischief 1 sired the winners of

both divisions. So if you see horses like, you

know, you got Honest reason in there, you know who's coming

from Finger Lakes. I'm not too big on horses who

are only at Finger Lakes. But if you see horses by Honest

Mischief, I think you got to give them a little bit of an

extra look in this race because he is probably, he is a very

good stallion up there. And certainly he's, as I say, he

had great success last year and wouldn't be surprised if it

happens again this year. Yeah, so the Butler owned O who

will break from the one here is an honest mischief.

Wanted to ask you about her because she did break her maiden

company. Sure, but at Saratoga that goes

to Finger Lakes for a black type.

I assume in that case you're looking at OK, one at Saratoga

goes ahead and just goes and wins $100,000 race at Finger

Lakes. It's not Finger Lakes form

necessarily, it's just that's where the money was that day.

Yeah. I mean, she's certainly one of

the horse. I think you have to include

she's got the rail, has some speed again.

So that's one thing that she has the speed.

What what does Santana do? Do you gun for the lead?

Do you take back when a big field like this, you get

shuffled back pretty good. So you know, you're going to

have to go. I I would think with the horse

to establish some position and how much does that take out of

her? But that that certainly is a

horse you would have to really consider because when you look,

you know, like I say, she won the race against set in Saratoga

and in the time was decent, ran a similar effort to win at the

Finger Lakes. So you know that she's had some

experience against the the content, some of the horses or

caliber of the horses that she's facing today.

A definite, definite horse you'd have to watch in this race too.

I mean, like I say, I think I do like Danielle and Maria, but I

would say if I had a second pick, it would probably be on.

Breaking from the inside there race 9 will start the late pick

three. If you have not played a pick

three and nine in a while, it is a dollar minimum does make for

better pays in general. The Remsen is a grade 2.

It's a mile and an eighth. Just like the Demoiselle on the

dirt there 4/2 year olds and and Bob, this has become one of the

absolute 2 year old races of record in recent years.

We talked about that Sierra Leone and Dornik match up, but

even I mean domestic spending was the backers too.

He went on to win a great 1. So I mean like it is.

It is remarkable to think about this race and its history

itself. An interesting set of runners

here as well. You know, you get played in

who's a maiden comes in here, he'll probably get a bunch of

money. You've got a Renegade coming in

here who was the DQ winner of that race with him before that

you've got courting for Todd Pletcher, who's already gone the

mile, only stretching out another furlong here.

You got talking who I think is going to get a lot of money for

the Danny Gargan and Kendrick Carmouche combination.

Who'd you land on here? Well, let me just say this

before I go into the race kind of a bit of event.

I I really I I I I wonder what goes running through the head of

the greatest stakes committee with some of the changes they

made the great they made the Cigar Mile a grade grade 2.

I did. I did not understand.

I did not understand that, you know, and, and you could look at

this year's race and you could say, well, it's, it really looks

like a grade 2 or grade 3 stakes, maybe even grade three.

Well, that's because when it's not grade one, when you

mentioned to good horse horses with a good horse and you're

going to come to the cigar model, they say now that's grade

2, right? Oh, yeah.

No, no, no, no. I mean, the, the, the, the

enumeration of the race, the way you grade it impacts the fields

a lot of times, especially with the best horses.

And and I will say this, whatever criteria they use,

because there's a lot of horses on the races on the West Coast

that are grade ones that I do not understand.

I tell you what, the Remsen under their criteria should

probably be a Grade 1 stakes when you look at horses that

have run in that. No doubt.

About it and you know of late how that that's great too and

they probably Oh well we don't want to make a 2 year old race

like that. You know you have the champagne.

Well, to be honest, I think this in terms of producing clauses

for who become good 3 year olds is better than the champagne.

Now I know the champagne is a fan, is a favorite amongst the

Breeders. You win the champagne, you're

going to get a pretty good stud deal one turn mile Grade 1, you

know, but to me it's a great one stakes if they under any of

their criteria. And when you look at this field,

it's a very it's a good field of horses.

It doesn't have the the Breeders cup type horses, but this could

these could be the horses that become your classic.

And when I look at it, you know, we mentioned the door knock the

Dornock and Sierra Leone edition a couple years ago.

Well, you might get a similar race here between talking and

Paladin, who are, you know, I think to me of the two horses in

the race and it's the same conditions.

It's Danny Gargan with talking who had Dornock and Paladin with

Chad Brown, who had Sierra Leone.

To me, they're the they're the two standouts.

I think Paladin will go. I I really like his chance.

I think he's going to go forward off the off off the maiden race.

I was talking with Peter Brandt before the Breeders Cup and he

was talking about pallet and he thinks they really feel he's

going to go forward off his efforts.

I think he he's a good I I I like, you know, Chad's very high

on him. I I think this horse has got a

really bright future talking, you know, good second in the in

the in the champagne very fast race.

It was, and I give Danny Gargan a lot of credit and stuff right

after the race and the and the winners, you know, in the

paddock after the race, he was saying, Oh no, we're not going

to the Breeders Cup, we're going to the Ramson.

And you know, you're already thinking of that.

So horses worked out pretty pretty.

You know, he's kept them fit. I think, as I say in my mind,

those two, you of course have the the I talked to Todd

yesterday. He said he is at the mug.

Then he was running all three horses.

Certainly, you know, you got like a horse in courting, it's a

$5,000,000 horse. So you know, the breeding was

with the breeding there and the expectations that he's going to

be a good two turn horse, especially as a son of curling,

you know, those horses really are great at the distance.

The more distance the better when you're at curling.

He's going to be in there. I'm not sure if he's fast

enough, he's going to have to take a step up, but you know why

he's there and what he's doing. And yeah, the other one, I mean,

certainly renegade. Renegade ran a good effort with

Paladin, but you know, his his training has been a bit has been

a bit spotty. I mean, you know, he he really

didn't have a work from November 14th, I think until Monday.

So I'm wondering what kind of condition Renegade might be in.

I'm not sure. He certainly hasn't trained as

you know, he hasn't trained up to it, shall we say, as well as

say, talking did who you know, Danny just gave light breezes in

the one workout where he asked him for some speed.

He got it that you go, that you go through them.

I think Grittiness looks at the other horse from Pletcher did a

big step up last time. Does he continue to move up

questionable there? You know, I think one other

horse you look at who I would not sleep on in this race is

Igniter, Rick Dutrow's horse. I mean, you know, Igniter, he

basically beat courting in their in their when they ran against

each other. So I I think he's going to be

really right there and I think so as I say, I think there's a

lot and I'll even say interesting horse in Balboa.

I agree with you on that. I was just going to ask you

about Balboa. Well, Balboa, here's the thing.

I talked to Tom Ryan, the managing partner of that

ownership group, The Avengers Group with too many owners for

me to list and I asked him about you know who who looking like

you could 2 year olds. The first one he mentioned to me

was Balboa very high on Balboa. Then he got his first race and

he got he ran into Brant Baffert's other horse and he did

start with the Boa was with that with Baffert.

He won his next race very easily.

Then they were doing this grade one company he didn't fire.

So you know in that group they have a lot of horses.

So they moved him to moved him E to Brittany Russell, who wins at

a phenomenal rate and he came off and he won a nice stakes at

Laurel. He'll definitely be part of the

early speed, but is he going to be able to hang around?

We'll find out. But I will say there were very

high expectations for Balboa and whether maybe, you know,

Brittany, you'll get to the bottom of him and he'll get

there. But again, there's a lot of

speed in the race and, and you know, he's going to have to be

dead, you know, really dead fit to to be a big factor here.

Yeah, they they, they put him in that 6 for long.

The John James. Yeah, James, James, John, John

James Lewis, the Preakness prep. They're at Laurel Park, so part

of their two year old series leading into the to the the

Tessio at Laurel. But the IT made sense for that

spot. It'll be interesting to see him

stretch back out. But Bob, this year, those two

year old not this times have been unbelievable.

So I mean, if if you know, maybe we do get a return to form for

that one. Maybe the one will just like

maybe just like the surface a little bit better on the East

Coast than it did on the West Coast.

Who knows? You know, Rodriguez, the same

type of thing. He was in California, he was

running 3rd and 4th and things like that.

They brought him out and he he just aired in the woods.

So this one a little different. They did give it to Brittany, so

you know, we'll see. But you know, you got a lot of

options in that race. You know, as I say, one of the

great I mean, and and you know, you got to get you know, Naira

gets a lot of criticism for field size.

I give him a little credit here on the on the road says they I

mean, you know, like you had six horses in the Breeders Cup

juvenile. You had the Bob Hope got

cancelled out in California because they couldn't get enough

horses to get the size field that they have here.

A lot of credit to Naira. It's, it's a good competitive

field that I, I, I think we'll whoever wins this race or

finishes close bears some watching going forward.

Oh, I agree with that. By the way, isn't it incredible

that the three top performances on the Derby trail last year?

I think of Rodriguez's as one of the very best wins on the trail.

Last year was super impressive to Pan St. in the Florida Derby

and before that magnitude down in New Orleans.

None of them ran in Kentucky, but.

You know, well, part of that, you know, part of the thing

which, you know, to me, I'm not a a huge fan of the way they do

the Kentucky Derby future wager. Yeah, because of, you know, when

you do it paramutually like that, you just don't get the pay

offs that equate, you know, you do look at at at some of them

and you know, the factor of keeping these horses on healthy

and on track because, you know, you know, of course magnitude

got hurt. Now look at him.

He wins the Clark when he's finally getting himself back

into into top form. Rodriguez, you know, had a Miss

Adam miss the Derby scratched that week.

And I know they were really very high on that horse going in.

I mean, there was a lot of good expectations for him.

So that is part of the the part of the thing of where you could

get these horses to, to win the Derby, You not only got to be

good on Derby day, but you know, you got to really stay on in

good health throughout for months because these horses

really don't get that much of a break.

I mean, like the horses who run here, they're not they're not

going to be laid out on the farm for three or four months after

this race. They're basically one of the

things by not going to the Breeders Cup where you know,

like say you know the. Breeds or.

Something Yeah, the the Breeders Cup horses, you know, with make

sure I say it right, Ted Nafi is, is going to get, is getting

some time off and resting. These guys are going to

basically after this, probably head down to Payson Park or

wherever they go in Florida and, you know, show up in the Holy

Bowl or, you know, races like that that will get them ready

for, you know, the fountain of youth to get them ready for the

for the Derby. I'll start seeing those in the

Pasco or something. There you go Bobby.

You hold with us. We will now talk about the grade

2 Cigar Mile. Should be Grade 1.

They're at Aqueduct half 1,000,000 bucks on the line

here. It is a handicap race.

It is for three and up. No Lasix of course in this one

Bobby. A an interesting field as far as

the reason this one does stand out as as embeddable race is

because you've got horses that do show up in graded company on

the outside, right? You've got a couple that do when

they're in these kinds of fields, they're very, very good.

And for that reason, Bob, I'm very confused as to why he's not

the favorite and he's on the outside.

His name is Bishops Bay and I, and I know he's only not the

favorite by .2 out of a nine to five and seven, two to one.

But this is a horse. I did it not with the Salvatore

Mile at the Westchester and the 49ers.

Like this is not the horse that won all of those races.

Yet Phileas Fogg is the favorite between those two.

Who you got? I I I'm with you, I'm definitely

in Bishop space corner. I mean this is a very highly

consistent horse. Any what is it 12 starts 11 and

you know eight wins 3 seconds. You know he did he didn't really

fire in the grade one. If they believe it was the four

go. He lost a book of Dano.

You know who else lost a book of Dano at Saratoga the summer?

Everybody. I'm saying, you know, he, you

know, he did get sold, but he stayed in the same barn.

So you didn't have to go through any of those changes.

The outside post I think really suits him perfectly.

You know, he likes the distance. I, I mean, I agree with you.

I think at race time I think he'll be favored.

The problem with Phileas Fogg is OK, you look at his form and

he's running some some good grade ones and he shows the

speed. But you're cutting back.

I mean, you know, going the mile and an eighth mile and a

quarter, being in front in those races and being in front in a

flat, you know, one turn mile, that's a big difference.

And I know he did it, but it was like a year ago in allowance

company. He's going against some pretty

good horses here. And you know, as I say, when you

look at his last race, you know, this the second in the Woodward,

you let me double check what I'm seeing here.

Yeah, he was a favorite. He was a four to five favorite.

It was a small was it three horses, four horses, three

horses. But he was considered a lock

against locked because he was just going to go out there and

Cantor on the lead, which he did do, but he still couldn't beat

locked. So I'm I'm not as, as you know,

I think he might. He's one of these horses who

might be better with his speed at a longer distance, like how

we wanted a mile and 1/4, you know, because again, he was able

to go out there and set fractions that are going to be a

lot more realistic than what he's going to face here today.

I, I do like Bishops Bay, Phileas Fogg, I think will be in

your trifecta. I, I, I also think you got to

respect crazy Mason. I I think he's going to, you

know, he might be the one who's going to benefit if the pace

gets a little out of hand. I mean, again, Greg Sacco

bringing in a horse here who's consistent, runs well fits in.

I mean, you know, he did win the Carter at 7 furlongs here at the

Aqueduct earlier in the year. The weights very telling.

I mean, he's 1 LB behind the other two beyond the other two

Phileas Fogg and Bishop's Bay on Buzzard's Bay, Bishop's Bay at

1:25. So, you know, you can see that

they rate him very close to them.

I think he gets a nice setup in this race too.

But I, I think it, I think Bishop's Bay really to me, yeah,

he he should be the favorite and, and certainly he'd be my

pick in this race with crazy Mason as to me, the outs, the

the, the, the best option to win.

How good is Doc Sullivan? I wanted to ask.

Just it's a New York Red. We saw this one in the Forego in

the Vosburgh and I thought showed himself just fine.

And that kind of company comes back in these sort of restricted

kinds of races, the last couple out.

But this is a horse that's hit the board 10 times in 13 runs at

Aqueduct, knows the distance well, is there is there

something here with him or is Doc Sullivan more of a wet type

is going to need some rain no matter or what do you make of

Doc Sullivan? You know, he he, I think he's, I

think he's a little cut below these.

I think he's competitive with them.

He has the rail, which I think will help save some ground and

stuff, you know, with the shoe. Now he goes, it's not a really

big feel. I, I, you know, I'm just, he's

certainly, I think he needs a lot to go right for him.

But I will say his trainer, John Ortiz has been very hot up here.

The horses he's been sending up to New York.

I've been doing really, really well, including the, you know,

this guy in a state bread steaks.

I would not rule him out for sure.

As I say, I just think he he's going to I think he's going to

have to really run his career best and have things go right

for him to beat like a, a Bishop's BAE or even a crazy

Mason or Phillies fog. I think I, I I could see him, I

could see him getting into the trifecta.

Not sure if I could see him to win, but he's certainly

competitive in this field, that's for sure, depending on

the price. Again, a lot of times you know

you you I think you know well the part of handicapping and

betting is not just you know, you might pick winners and

stuff, but sometimes you got to let the board influence you in a

positive way where if you could get great value on a horse, it's

worth taking that chance much. It's always better getting a

better price on your horse than a lesser than going to a horse.

So you might be so so with and you're getting a bad price.

Like I. Think as I say, I think Phileas

Fogg is just not going to offer any value to you.

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The New York salad series is the closer on the car race 11 here

go to the male side of things here another big field.

But as Bob pointed out lots of maidens in this one.

So the issues that once in a while we run into in these kinds

of races we run into here. But still, Bob, I think a set of

contenders that are very interesting in here spirit of

New York, probably going to be the favorite of here would be my

guess. If Parker Boone isn't the

favorite, what do we do with this Parks shipper?

Bob? What's the what's the play here?

How do how do we how are the horses translate from Philly to

Long Island? Well, I'll tell you what, Butch,

you know, I talked a bit about Johnny Ortiz.

How about, you know, I mean, Butch Reed, when he comes into

New York, you got to play him, you know, very underrated

because I mean, basically he is stationed at parks.

It doesn't have a lot of top, top line horses that could go on

to the national scene, but when he gets them, he's really very

effective with them. I, I am very I like, I like him

in this race. I, I just I, this race in

particular had a lot of problem. I had a lot of problems with

because you know, we, I mentioned before where you have

these turf forces, there's more turf forces in this race than

there is in the Philly division. And you know, though again, that

that's a very hard handicapping question.

Like are you you're you're trying to play with the

breeding, play with the works and say, you know, OK, I like

this one and, you know, getting a low price and and question

marks to me is not a really inviting subject.

Whereas, like I say, you know, the time was really pretty good

for parks. He was definitely one very

easily against, you know, open type company in parks.

And as I say, his trainer Butch, you know, Butchery does not fool

around. He's a he's a good, he's a he's

a good guy. And I will say I guess I could.

I don't know. I'll have to be careful of how I

say it. But to show you how good of a

guy he is, I was texting him about one of his horses very

quickly and I went to write high Butch and I miss type letter.

It's the second letter in the name.

I was. Yep, Yep.

It's also about. And it's you know, it's the key

right next to EU. So I I typed and as he

responded, I looked back at what I typed and I said, I said, Oh

my God, I'm really sorry what I did.

And he laughed about it. He said, Oh, I showed my wife.

They're all laughing about it. Well, I appreciate that I was a

numb nuts for doing that, but we're not checking.

But I was even able to call him this particular word that you

would associate with dogs, but he he handled it.

So I kind of you got to like a guy like that, but really

butchery coming to New York. Keep an eye on that.

Keep an eye on that particular horse for sure.

Your spirit of New York. You know, he shows you the he

shows you the, you know, great races on the turf.

You know, he he is on his mischief.

So you think he could dirt, you know, but the question is, is he

going to be as fast? I don't know, but you know,

certainly he he's you know, I wouldn't ignore him.

You definitely got to. You got to keep him in, keep him

in mind for the race. Am I crazy to have routine on

top here? The three horse getting back to

the seven furlongs or throwing the blinkers on to try to be

closer to the pace? I'm just going to draw a line

through the Sleepy Hollow and Todd and trust that Todd

Pletcher's got this son of Galilean ready to go.

Am I crazy to try Fruitine here? No, I mean, you know, you, you,

your logic makes sense. I mean, because, you know, if

you go by, you know, he had a decent maiden win.

Not not overly impressive, but certainly a good enough, you

know, but I think people the only thing I would say is that

when he ran in that other race, which is a better race than this

one, I mean, you know, that's open to Allstate Reds and had

some, you know, horses with form a little bit more here.

He was 9 to one that day that that he went from, you know,

three to 10 favorite to 9 to 1. So people were a little

questioning him there and he really ran badly.

He does get Johnny VI think I I I don't know.

It's it's you know, people are going to bet him because he's

Fletcher and Johnny V. So again, I'm not sure if you're

going to get the value on this horse that you really should use

and like you know, with with this race just like any of them

on Saturday. What one of the horses up here

that that that's quest. You know, to me, say Chummers

was on the rail just. Going to ask.

You about it? Yeah.

Now The thing is, again, here's a horse three times on the turf.

Good races, one time on the dirt, really bad race.

Now he's here. So OK, what?

What do you do? I think I'm reading it right.

There's a A10 speed buyer on the dirt.

He said, oh, how can you bet this horse?

Well, he's got Flavian Pratt, yes, Right.

So what what did you say to get Pratt to get aboard this

particular horse? Because I'm sure if Flavia Pratt

was available, a lot of these other trainers would be saying,

yeah, Blavia, please get on my horse.

You know, so I don't know, you know, again that that's like a

very questionable thing. And again, that always going to

get a lot of play simply because Flavia Pratt is on board.

And but the again, the question if he, if that horse runs back

to its turf races and tender goes back to its dirt race and

doesn't like dirt, he's off the board.

So again, it's part of one of the mystery and of gambling with

these two year olds that those are some of the things you have

to try to take a take a stab at because you know, the sheets,

numbers and things like that really don't tell you everything

you need to to make a what you might feel like a really

intelligent, strong, strong minded bet.

But as I say, same thing, same thing in the Philly division of

this race where you see Pratt wind up, you know, there's

something kind of good had to be said to said to get him on board

the horse. Well, he is Bobby Hall, of

course, bloodhorse.com for everything he is working on.

What else are you watching this weekend?

You like you're watching the next?

What are you doing this? Hey little Jets, what are you

doing this weekend? Well, I'll be watching the

football. I'm kind of I'm kind of partial

to the Packers. So you know, Packers and Bears

that that'll be a don't, don't bother me jockeys.

Forget about these clerk of scales ride.

Don't create any issues on Sunday in the middle of

football. You know these things you want

disputes show up on my Monday, have a big meeting and say

whatever you want. But especially this Sunday,

don't, don't bother me, you know, I got a, you know.

I'll try to watch football, is what he's saying.

Be better. Javier Castellano.

OK, Be better. That's that's what we're saying

now. Be better.

Yeah, yeah. You know, be better.

You know you can't. Drink.

Be better. Come on, I mean, some of these

things, I, I, I totally respect the jockeys.

I, I'm 100% behind because they risk their lives.

I know what they go through. But, you know, it sort of seemed

what happened on the weekend was really for stuff that you don't

you don't do that to people who bring their horses over, pay the

expenses, lose the race. That was something that could

have been really dealt with on a Monday or Tuesday with the

threat that we won't show up on Thursday and.

Or not on mile day or something, right?

I mean. Like, well, you know that that's

what I mean. I mean, I don't think they would

have done it. You know, that was that's maybe

one of the problems. You didn't have a stakes on

Sunday, so they can for them. They cancel the rest of the race

and it was interesting to me. Todd did not have a horse, Chad

did not have a horse, Miguel Clemont didn't have a horse.

Bill Mott had one horse and that was in the first race that they

ran in. So it was like they really

weren't going to upset the really, really big people, maybe

other than Linda Rice, who I think had, you know, lost about

like five horses that day. So as I say that that was a kind

of an unfortunate thing to happen.

Hopefully that that I think that is that from what everybody

says, it's in the rearview mirror.

Who knows when it'll pop up again, but they will race on

Thursday or today and go forward.

And, you know, like I say, it should be a really good, I think

it's a it's a really good day of racing.

If you're in New York, it's kind of the day to come out because

you know, there there's not, you know, especially as I say, if

you want to say goodbye to your aqueduct, depending on what you

do, probably in all, all thinking, the end of the end of

June is going to be the end of aqueduct.

That's when it'll land. I'm pretty sure they're going

to, they're going to go back up to Saratoga for July 4th.

So they'll run at Aqueduct through the end of June, go to

Saratoga and then Belmont will open and once Belmont as soon as

kind of the rule is when we have the second they turn.

The key over there, yeah. Yeah, the doors open to Belmont

Park. The state will take over.

The state will, you know, just assume total control of the

property and do what they want to do.

It might. Technically they might start

doing stuff in after June, after the end of June.

But technically, as I say, the ruling is Aqueduct is closed

once Belmont reopens, right? So is Bobby Hall at Bobby Hall

on the socials and of course bloodhorse.com for everything he

is working on. Bob, really appreciate you

jumping on. I hope let's do this at least

once more before they close Aqueduct.

Very good. I'm happy to do it with you,

Louis all. Right Bob appreciate it very

much. Stay warm up there in

Connecticut and join those Packers for sure appreciate Bob

jumping on appreciate all of you hanging out with us.

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I really do appreciate Bob jumping on become one of my

favorites this year as we roll through 2025.

Last couple of shows of the year.

We will be do some other previews next weekend.

Of course, that's in. Spotlight tomorrow night, we are

back with those episodes as well.

I speak with a trainer, Ethan West, and we'll have handicapper

Berry speakers on that one as well as we look at the middle

pick four at Turfway Park on that program. 6:00 on ESPN

mobile here in town. We'll be out on this podcast

platform as well. Thanks Bobby.

All thanks to you for hanging out with us on the horse racing.

Happy see you next week.