Florida Derby Timing Issues – w/ Peter Gargalianos

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Welcome in emergency timing issue edition of the

horse-racing happy hour. We're trying to figure out the

Derby trail with our Guy Peter Galiano.

So I'm not going to ask him to handicap because I want to keep

doing this show but I want to bring him in.

He's the former director of field projects for track

Essence. So was a guy that was involved

in the frankly, the very beginnings and Expansion of the

company. Peter joins us from

Massachusetts. I think you're the first person

to ever join us from Massachusetts.

Really? So, how about that?

All right. Thank you.

It could be worse, Peter. And I met we're all good horse

racing People Meet the roof at Pimlico and then one of my

favorite tips and then randomly, we ran back into each other that

night at Peter's poor house down just outside Inner Harbor.

If you ever stand in Baltimore, that's a great spot for a

late-night sandwich. Very inexpensive Natty Boh as

well. So can you kind of just give

your your horse racing Bona fides before we get into some of

these issues? Well so I started in practice in

2006 I left a career in biotech and went to work with some guys

I went to college with who had started this company.

It was actually originally a hockey company and they got

locked out during the NHL lockout.

The company was about to go bust and we got some interest from

pretty prominent own Owner and horse racing on the bug, kick

like a hundred million dollars in resources or something, but

he gave us some seed money, got us going and extended our Runway

and we took three hockey systems and strung them together at

Woodbine one of the turns to see if it would work and we get some

promising results, we ended up expanding that trial to be a

full-on install and then the rest is history.

We they were internal for about a year.

They want didn't want to show it on television and then the year

King Henry did there. Yeah, we track the they needed

Keen was going to go live in October at Woodbine still hadn't

shown it to anybody. So they went live in September,

Keeneland went in October there was Del Mar and then we got up

to I think 25 around the world. So I was responsible for all of

the equipment installations maintenance and all that stuff.

So what you're hearing is Peter use this job to get credentialed

to all the biggest horse until all the little Chiclets didn't

work and then your weekend wasn't so fun.

I'm telling you it was and I've been to a lot of really

interesting places Louis from all over the world like, racing

in Abu Dhabi, with his, like, six people, one stands all the

way to Derby for 12 years in a row.

So yeah, there you go. It's been crazy.

Ran into Peter last last a fall at Derby, of course.

And then, of course, like I said, met him on that Rooftop at

Pimlico, one of the only that's got to be, I don't know.

That's an iconic spot for me in this board.

Anyway, and reach got this year, you guys were down there as

well. That's true.

You know, we've had to Although sense.

Really that were worse. Oh my god, really.

Oh I neighborhood looked like an atomic weapon had gone off

twice. I once it was in Micah had to

sit down in the chair of the tent was going to fly up

correct. My kid also spent and spent

Breeders Cup, making sure our tents didn't fly away, that is

correct. We also became, we were smart

enough to figure out after Friday that we had hard wired

internet. So we brought a Google spot and

had really good Wi-Fi and watch college football the whole day

for to Grayson's. Yeah, good.

So we became a very popular 10. I'll just say that I would

imagine. So Peter was in the bougie or

sections in US. Yeah.

It's we were out the wind doing the thing.

So hey this, this Forte thing happens I think of you

immediately because you and I had an off the record

conversation. Yeah.

Winter about about these sorts of things and about your

frustration with timing issues with hey, how much distance are

we actually traveling in these races and cetera?

And so I wanted to reach out to you.

And I appreciate you jumping on such short.

Notice, of course, just to come back to this because I think

there are lots of people who are now watching because, you know

what, Arkansas Derby Florida Derby.

Hit were in were in, right? We're going.

And so, you know, this is this is when, you know, the literally

where we hit the pavement we're going.

Can you explain how this kind of issue could happen in the

Florida Derby? And what?

Well, it causes are at Wyatt, we all know I think why it matters?

We want accurate information on the form as betters but on top

of that I mean frankly we just want accurate information in our

sport. Well, here's a little bit more

background so the if you look around the world aside from the

United States everyone starts the race when the gate opens

Which seems like a foreign concept because in the u.s. you

have what's called a run-up or an affair start line.

So you've got I should say with the exception standard because

they but they mark it clearly and everyone knows when the

timing starts. But in say, Singapore or Hong

Kong or Australia or anywhere else you when that gate opens

the timing starts immediately and there's never a question on

when they break the gate. There's never a question about

where the fit with the start line is, it's always the same.

Hmm, the finish line is obviously the same as well, in

the US. We have what's called a run-up,

so they take and put the gate anywhere between ten feet.

Like, for the mile at Gulfstream, the gates literally

attend feet behind the photo I to 178 feet almost, which almost

adds another sixteenth of a mile like so it Churchill for

instance the five for a liability, the five or five and

a half. If you put the gate 30 feet, 40

feet back which is typically where they try to put it you'd

be in the middle of that turn. The top of the right-hand turn,

so they had to go, we had this argument.

What time would check, they said your times are off.

The grown-ups are way off, right?

We used to show run-ups on the charts and everybody went

bananas and they eventually ends up, taking them down, not

because they weren't accurate because people didn't want to

like industry. People did not want to see it.

Hmm, because you'd look at a race and say, what got

Churchill, they have 180 foot run up for the 54 a long.

And a Gulfstream, it may only be 40 feet so it's a race in that

case. So describe to people here, if

you have an under 184 run up, you're going faster at that

point. When you click, what did you

call it? The Fair start line.

So that okay the start line is supposed to be if you drew a

line 1 meter off of the rail at the finish line and walked it

back with all the way back in real time, in real space, using

the rail. The red one meter off the rail

so they 1 meter off got okay. You measure the horse kind of in

a 2-meter thing. It's it's a widely accepted

early, you know how exactly it but they do survey data and all

that sure. So you measure from the finish

line backwards to where five furlongs would be or where 1,000

meters would be overseas or what?

However, you're running the race, that is the fair stuff,

that's where the race should start.

Now we have all the ornamental poles and things like that for,

you know, quarter poles and half mile or whatever.

But some of the rates are In between there turn, you've got

like a seven for a long 128 feet race like this really strange

about distances and racing not exactly sure why they're just

Legacy and sometimes they're necessary but so that you go

there then they try to put the gate about 40 feet behind that.

I don't know why. It's just always been the case

in the u.s. they want to run up. So if you picture, if you're

standing on the finish line and I'm 40 feet behind you and the

gun goes off and you don't start running until I I hit the first

outline where you're standing. You're never going to be me.

I'm already going full speed. By the time I hit the line.

I'm going to be way out in front of you the whole time, right?

So at 178 feet it's even worse. Hmm so you're comparing so a

Gulfstream would say in the mile that they're barely out of the

gate and they've started the race.

Whereas at Churchill is probably a 50-foot run up for the Mi got

it. I didn't look at the shots for

Echo base but whatever they they published the charts and

sometimes they're right and sometimes they're wrong, got it

once in Anita redid. Their course, they that when

they added that shoot over American side, they are Us for

the echo base, guys. Actually ask track is for all

the runner-ups for those distances.

From different tracks, then from from the different races like

they added a, I think a five and a half six and a half, right?

It's a get an idea of what the status quo was, in other places.

In other words. Well, no, the guys were just

putting a gate out there behind, although, they are here to

evaluate their own operation. Got it.

They knew it was behind the line, but they didn't know how

far he's had to put something in and they said so once we ran,

you know, 10 or 15 races, we were able to go in and you can

still an attractive chart. If you had like a little A key,

you can get into, there was internal to us only, I could go

in and put in thing and look at the run.

Now, I might have a saying they weren't tracking your sometimes,

but if there was a tracking, like, we went at that.

You're the one with Churchill came back and they said no, the

run-ups 40 feet for that five and a half for a longer five for

a while. And I said, guys, it's like 180.

Mmm, that's not possible. So we actually had one of the

echo base guys, go down and walk it off for us and he was a lot

of back and forth at the track super at the time.

So I went down there, they went to the pole with a 540 on

restarts. They 40 feet and then he stopped

and he said, Is this where they put the gate and he said, that's

no, of course. It would put it there.

It's in the middle of the turn. I said we'll walk to 180 and you

walk to 180 and he's like well this is where the gate is.

He's like yeah, this is where the gate is, then the run-ups

180 feet. So we kind of had a bunch of

those over the years. So Churchill's not unique.

This way is what you're saying? Oh God.

No, no, Churchill actually does a very good job of this, okay?

Like that means some other anomalies, like the think it's

the one. And a quarter at Woodbine, okay?

All the way back in the turf, shoot and that when you're in

Lanes, one and two. Is that a 1?

Turn 10 for a longer. Yes.

Okay, correct. Yeah.

So that starts it because the turf is outside the dirt at

Woodbine which is kind of unique.

You have some very, very big Turf track.

Yep. I think they have six Lanes on

the turf and only five sets of sensors.

Last, I knew so talk to me. Talk to me about the lanes.

This was actually going to be my next question.

Yeah, so a place like Churchill, we see pictures today.

By the way, they tweet out that look really great.

Frankly, it looks like a green. On st.

Patrick's Day is a Turf. Look so good, which is when I

would take the picture to do, what I can to correct.

It is on the model, we ship them a model, the 3D stuff that we

did. They said that it was too Brown.

Used to Green it up because we had taken the pictures in in

like March or something. Yeah, right.

I didn't like the way, the course, looks a Syrian getting

rid of all that Brown & 3. Yeah, I would wait till April

here to I have I have grass at my house and I know exactly how

that goes. So, you know, but I'm asking

because you know, We'll see rail it 38 feet or something.

It does that not extend the total amount of the race.

So what they do is they move the stock forward, okay?

So if you're ten feet off or 20 feet off at 30 feet off or

whatever the start changes, which if you look at some older

pictures of Gulfstream, you'll see when they were using tell a

timer. They have, I want to say like 18

Lanes on the turf and they run to a day to differently and

every day they so if you do that, you have to have 18

different sensors. If you're using a traditional

teletype Mercy. System for let's say the three

quarter Pole or whatever. Every point on the racetrack has

to have 18 different Tela timers and they're all off by a certain

amount and that just gets really confusing.

And sometimes the put the gate in the wrong place, we've had

one with Gulfstream said that there's no way that our times

could be correct. I said, look, we stand by at the

times of, right? Turns out that the guy put the

gate at the, at the Lane six. Let's say and it should have

been at Lane three. Wow.

So when they open the gate we were already past the stock

because forward that much and it just ended we timed it correctly

but they were using the right lane and they were using the

wrong one interesting. So let's get to the Florida

Derby. We took a 12 minute detour

around the Florida Derby, which I think is very valuable by the

way. I've learned a lot frankly

already in 12 minutes and Peter. Golly honest with us former

field director for track is By the way, we got to get know to

what you did before track. Is I'm actually a little

terrified about your involvement with the federal government.

It sounds like anyways, so not okay, with the Florida Derby,

you talk now about these run-ups and different things.

Do you think this was a run-up issue in this case?

Well, in what I read it and I again I watch the race but I

don't know. You know I haven't been too

involved in it since Saturday but the What they're saying is

that the current system they use for timing uses both GPS and

beans. The beams are moved at the

beginning of every race to the correct position and there's a

fixed Beam at the finish line so you can imagine if you ever

watch the race at parks or something they had seven

thousand geese in the infield. The patella timer guy has to arm

the system at the right time. So that something else besides a

horse doesn't trip it. But latent, but early enough so

that he doesn't miss. The first was going through,

understand sure. And from what I read at the Gulf

Stream stuff that was tweeted out and had a little bit of

time, just you called me yesterday.

A little bit of time at work to do some research today but no

sure. He'd basically said that

something else, tricked the being that could be operator

error. That could be a bird that could

be anything. So basically, what they're

saying happened, is that as the horses were charging down the

front, stretch that that Being said what?

We have a winner. And then they still had, you

know, what is it .8? Yeah.

So in the grand scheme of things, you know, less than a

second isn't a big deal but when you're talking about a race

that's a minute, half or a minute, 40 minute 50, it's a big

deal. It's just significant percentage

of the race and it goes out to buyer and the speed figures.

And this is, he's kept us honest, over the years.

I mean, it's what they do, they are in charge of rank in the

horses. They're in charge of putting

good times together and if they're not getting good data in

then. Get good data out.

Interesting. So I mean I don't want to be

flip but is it like oh it's squirrel ran in front of it and

now we have a winner. I'm literally give me any

wouldn't be a squirrel because it's too low but unless it was a

you know you have to be a flying squirrel, got it could be

anything okay I haven't had a chance to really dig to the

replay. It's always tough to yeah more

than this stuff but they and I'm just going by what Gulfstream

said. So they The reason, if what they

said is accurate, is it something else time?

Hit that beam before the, the actual first horse?

Cross the line. So, I've talked with other

people that I trust on this stuff and they all tell me,

well, I hand time the race and I always smile when people tell me

that and it's so talk to me a little bit about your

experience, because you mentioned two, very different

systems using the beams and using GPS.

Those Our Peter those are very different things, they are very

different things. And then what what is bigger

experience with with either? What do you think is better?

Do we need a mix? What's the best system?

Or then? The third one is hand timing,

right? Then you've got a guy in the

Press Box for the watch who's you know been doing it for a

long time. Usually and I had an argument

but not all you had a very good discussion with wondering eyes.

You're from Massachusetts. Everything's a discussion.

Yeah, so if the to go back to the with mine example, if you go

back from the finish line of Woodbine in Lane one on the

turf, And you go a mile and a quarter, back your off, the back

of the track. Yeah, right.

Okay, right. They don't have enough real

estate but they still run a mile and a quarter in Lane one.

So I said to the guy, how come how can we do this?

Why don't we just run it isn't about distance or why don't you

not rely on a quarter on the turf until you're in Lane three?

Because laying three is when you first start getting to a point

where you actually have a little bit of run up and you could put

a gate there and he said, well we just use the laying three,

you know, quo for was races in high school with house that the

time go. Like if you start if you're not

starting the right place, you're running less than a mile and a

quarter but your court of time. I'm is everything's going to be

off. It has to get made up somewhere

in the middle and he's like, yeah, always just comes out of

the three quarter and I was like well that but that's not

accurate. Wow.

If you ran the same race in Lane one in Lane three, you'd be to

be time differently. And he said, well, this is how

we've been doing for years and so that's okay, but that's not

accurate. And okay, always walk this line

of not wanting to you know you want to just do things the way

the industry wants you to do them but in some cases the

industry you know is has been doing things a certain way.

It might have been a limitation of Technology at the time or

whatever it was, in this case, real estate, right?

You can't go behind it. Gulfstream, would love to take

that shoot an extended back, another 50, 60 feet.

All right, so you're bossy guy. Are you Red Sox guy?

Oh yeah, okay, so green mom were patriots guy but yeah, we're

alright, I understand, let's go to baseball real quick because I

think it's a bit, it's an apt comparison, green monster at

Fenway, the short porch, you can key Stadium.

Yeah, you know, you know, stuff like this in baseball.

Every stadium has its own layout in a horse race.

When we kind of accept that the tracks are all a little bit

different, right? Everybody's going to turn

counterclockwise, we understand that.

But otherwise, if you're would buying the church outside of

Else that's fine. If you were, you know, Turfway

and you only have one surface. If you're Oakland you only have

one surface, we're fine with that.

That kind of thing is there is there some of that where there's

the Nuance of the individual tracks being a little quirky or

it? Because you use this example of

Woodbine and you worked at 25 different places?

I'm sure you heard. Did you hear stories that all 25

of them like that? Oh, yeah, we had, and we were in

Deauville in France and they said your time for the Thirteen

hundred meter races are off. Everything else is good and I

said, well, that's impossible. So we finally, when I walked

out, 1,300 metres from the finish line on the rail, all the

way out and we look sideways and those giant rock there and I

said, this should be the start of the race.

He says, and then French everybody started talking.

They said, well, we couldn't put the pole there because there's a

rock there, but your timing is off.

That's the third most French thing I've ever heard.

Yeah. And then if you go to the Other

Extreme, you go to a place like Hong Kong to, we were at Happy

Valley and we extract exactly what we needed for all of our

individual technical stuff to get all the timing, right?

And they pulled one of the guys from the gate crew over and he

had his head down, and he was looked very shameful said.

And he said tell them what you do and he said because they're

supposed to put it right at 12:00 or white it 1400, whatever

the stock distance is and he said sometimes I move it a

meter, one way or the other because if the ground is damaged

from Save previous race and I said M, okay?

But you're right, they are very, very, very conscious of it.

They're interesting in a place like that.

We have got unlimited unlimited resources, right?

We have basically a camera not a photo finish camera but a

regular video camera. At every single point of call.

So, when the horses cross, the quarter, 200, 400 meters or

would 800 meters, whatever it is, they have someone that goes

through and literally puts them all in the right order.

It's never guess. It's never maybe they were here

at this time. It's exact time for every horse

for everything is that the best system you found in the world.

Forgetting it, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Not many people.

Do it better than Hong Kong. I don't think anybody does

really, okay? And I mean, is that a, is that

something to you? If you're a saint Anita, if

you're a Gulfstream, if you're a Churchill, if you're a Belmont

of your Saratoga, if you're a Keeneland is that like, should

they be aspiring to that? Is that a is it implementable in

places like that? I don't know that it's possible

to do it in there. The question is that, you know,

and Believe it or not. A lot of people that know these

tracks while enough like you handicapped you're familiar with

a lot of in places. They know the inside scoop they

know what's going on. They know which tracks run

faster than over tracks. One slower than over its tracks.

Do everything. I've had people tell me that

they get angry with Aquabase when they publish all these

results and details for the race.

Like they're mad because they went and watch the race, they

know me. Yeah.

We don't want the next handicapper to get all the

details for. All right.

And it was a son of a famous trainer.

He was salty about it because he likes having that he talks to

vets. He talks to stable hands.

He talks that he gets all the information you can and then he

makes an informed wager and he doesn't like that.

Everybody else gets information for free.

Yeah. So do I think it should is there

a way to do a timings been a, you know, there's still people

common races and faiths like, we can go to the Olympics and we

can put his timing system in a pool that gets down to it, you

know, a hundredth of a second with no problems at all.

So could it be done racing? Of course it could be.

Is it expensive and maybe over overkill for the storm probably.

But I don't know. Let it sit, and it comes up or

whatever. There's a big race were.

A lot of people are paying attention and they get it wrong

or when the times aren't don't quite with Beyer speed.

Think it's a 98 and everybody goes.

Wow. And then they go in it.

Probably should be a 94, right. That's kind of what happened

here, right? Isn't that the?

Well, I think lots of us make adjustments for different tracks

because we course you do. Yeah, we have at least noticed

the trend, right? And will and without naming

tracks, and in this case, you know, just okay, he got an E8

there. That's a 94 at another track.

If you wanted to do a pretty cursory look at a couple of

different tracks and say, why is the, why do they always run

slow, and they're laying three-year whatever.

Like it's, you know, It's because it's because the court,

I will be off the overall time won't be off because they do

start it in a different position, but your sectionals

are off for sure. Do you think anyone's

manipulating these things on purpose?

I've never seen anybody do it with any kind of Mal.

Okay, Mouse. No.

Yeah, I wouldn't think so. Okay, and I think a lot of this

is carry over from when these tracks were built, right?

Like they're not. Absolutely no.

We're dealing with, we're dealing with 150 year old

runaway old facilities, for sure.

That's right. You're sure.

And if you want to go and you're not talking about like if you

wanted to put a new Timing System, like I said in the pool

for the Olympics or whatever you can do it in this, you're

talking about digging up the miles of dirt, I'm talking about

multiple sensors. You talking about all kinds of

techniques got to be outdoors and and withstand Winters and

Summers and also its salt are Delmar all the other stuff that

goes along with it. It's not easy.

I had I maintained millions of dollars of equipment that we

frankly blew through like crazy. Because of the conditions that

has to live in like in simple words and 100% humidity and 95

degrees every day, right? And Del Mar it's beautiful but

the Salt Air kills everything so that and it's Electronics.

It has to be Electronics. It can't be anything else.

Yeah. No, that really stands out.

I so the let's kind of put a bow on the Florida Derby situation,

Do you think there's a solution where and I was thinking about

this a little bit race runs, they time it everything's done.

They put the numbers out. I think part of this is a

cultural thing where we want to people right now.

Want to be first, they don't care if they're correct.

Well to that point there is like Aqua Base, does have guidelines

put in that when they put a time together and I've seen it

happen, Derby as you know having have seen it happen, a lot of

places and they really are careful that.

If they put a time in that doesn't seem that the computer

doesn't deemed reasonable. It takes an extra set of eyes

and an approval process to get it to publish, okay?

I was just going to ask about that.

Should we be waiting on buyers for two days rather than one

that kind of thing? No, I think again, it depends on

Q&A, but it also the Q&A needs to be, it's point eight seconds,

right? It makes a big deal to buyer,

but it's probably within the realm of possibility for that

length race. If y'all are looked at a bunch

of, if you look, it didn't break a track record, right?

No, no, yeah. So it's within the, it's within

the noise. It doesn't raise any Flags.

Got until buyer puts it out there. and says oh by the way,

this is, you know, This is a big deal should they be a little

more transparency of probably or a little bit more discussion

like hey we got it wrong. We're going to correct it.

Sorry about that like it didn't matter the next day, the right

horse got horses, the one get paid as they should and looking

at buyer figures like I know that that wasn't running the

next day, right? So maybe relax a little bit and

get off Twitter and just say alright let's see.

We got it right. You know, Gulfstream get it

right, they corrected it and Aquabase get it right and

everybody, you know, it's good but it's also something to talk

about you know that's what that's what as far as how dare

you tell me to get off Twitter. Yeah, yeah, until you don't

know, but I think a lot of these things I think it's not a

discussion that I've ever heard the sport and when you were

talking to me in December, I remember thinking good, gosh, a

lot of nuance to all this. And what I thought of

immediately was the baseball stadiums, the you have to take

into account where they're racing, it matters not just

surface but just the layout of the course itself.

That's right. Yeah, of course, absolutely has

to be and I don't know if there's a maybe there's a niche

industry in this, but I don't think they want necessarily

think people in general on a lot of it out there, I will say that

everyone I've talked to about it all has no one has ever said.

Oh yeah, we don't tell him about that.

It's always been. Yeah, that's just the way it is.

Or Yes, this is what, you know, this is what we do here.

Yeah. There's a big rock at the 1,300

feet whatever it is, but it's never been like, oh yeah, don't

don't mention that outside of scope.

The French Rock thing is just, I mean, yeah, it's classic.

It's so great. It's so great, man.

It's really so great. It's good stuff.

Yeah. Alright.

Well, do you think Forte's the Derby favorite?

I do. Yeah.

That's where my money is right now.

But, see, I love when people try to dissect these races where

Horse doesn't have a great trip and doesn't do all.

He doesn't really fire and he still wins.

I did the next race. By the way, it gets an extra

Furlong. Yeah, like he could, he would

have more time to make up all the crap that happened to him

and by the way in the derby, you got to get used to a lot of crap

happening to you. Yeah, I mean we used to talk

about this with the distance running numbers because no one

ever had distance traveled. Mmm.

So when track is started, putting that on Chops, they were

like, is this right? And he said, yeah, you know, so

this horse really ran, 100 feet. Longer than the other horses,

right? Then you watch the replay and

you're like, oh yeah, he was way outside.

Yeah. And, and that matters to, so

Peter we have a lot of people who listen to us, who are either

coming to this board, or are, you know, in their early stages

of learning, how to read everything and look at

everything based on our discussion today, my takeaway

would be watch the replays and trust your eyes.

What would you say to to new people within the industry?

I think you're right. I think you should one of

things, you kind of try to concentrate on a specific track

when you're first starting out. Sure.

Like kind of figure out what keeneland's like I, that's where

I really started getting into the sport that people ask me

favorite u.s. track and Keenan has always been its, you know,

it's the Fenway Park to Churchill's Yankee Stadium,

right? It's a that is a totally out.

You're totally correct. Yes.

Yeah, so when you go there as much as you drink, Cannon all

this culture and the history of it and everything else but it's

on dresses. You left out the sundresses?

Yeah. Of course you go out and you

actually watch the races and you like you can kind of understand

if you spend enough time there and which I have weeks and weeks

and weeks of you figure out kind of what happens and that

stretches when they went from dirt to Polly track it changed

and then I went to college right back to dirt changed again.

So if you listen to those things and find out those little

nuances in the next track, you go to It'll come quicker because

you'll have a base and I think that's kind of, that's like the

hometown track. I used to go to Suffolk when I

was a kid before they close. Well, obviously it was blast

because it no one would College when you win and you win at 16.

You got to bet money technically win Willy the degenerate Gambler

thing, start early for me but it was also in Wonderland when they

are dog track. That a good fun, you know, you

go there and then, you know, I never thought I'd have a career.

It was reason and then, you know, and I literally just I was

leaving my old job and And people approach me I said it was

all guys. I went to college with and they

really, you know, it was we were only we were engineers and no

one was big horse racing guy. So meeting when you go on the

road and all you meet our car certain people, yeah.

People it's really interesting and you have to you can't just

ignore it. I couldn't because I not be on

the roof of Pimlico go and yeah I really don't care about this.

This whole thing seems stupid to me.

I just I'm just here for the tech but that's not the case.

It gets into you gets under your skin and it gets interesting.

Ng. It's different than anything

else we get to do Peter and I'm out of it.

Now I watched my brother invited me to dinner.

I said I can't that's the first Saturday in May.

Ah yeah it don't get buried on the first Saturday baby.

It is it's really good like I said it's it gets you.

And then like you know gambling just got legalized in Mass oh

good. And it just happened here too.

By the way. Just what's that?

We just got Sports. Wagering bill, just passed last

Thursday here in Kentucky. Oh, you did.

Yeah. Was just talking to some of the

guys down there for basically other day.

They said it wasn't there yet. So, all right, that's great.

Good for you, you know what happened?

I went on my radio show and I gave out the home phone numbers

of all the Senators that were against it because you did not

100% if they publish them online, I gave him all that.

Well, I applaud the effort. Ha ha, ha!

Someone's someone's got to be the bad guy that's all.

So beautiful. Well, it's not like they were

worried about just trying to figure out who gets the biggest

piece of the pie. Oh, they got there.

They got, they got a bridge to nowhere.

I'm sure. I'm not worried about them.

Yeah, yeah, I'm worried about me, Peter.

That's what I'm worried about. Zak.

There's an explosion heading Derby.

For sure. I've got a date at Keeneland

before that will be at the will be a Pimlico.

We're taking the crew this year, which I'm very excited about.

And then I have a, I have a Hamptons invite for the Belmont,

do you? It's so so Peter I have to tell

you. Generally speaking and you've

hung up with me. Yeah, I'm a Natty Boh.

Sure, Pimlico guy. Oh, I did regrettable a glass of

the birthday bird in for the night.

Okay, that's not terrible. I don't hate you for that.

And I've had like four Bourbons this but the the other part of

this is, you know, at the Derby and you've been there, you've

been a 322 with me, you know this oh yeah, we're the guys who

stopped working at 2:00, we've got the cheat code, it's like

it's cigars watching people at Sirius XM work till like Six

enjoy that for you, whatever. Whatever.

Crappy check. You're getting high five, and

then and then put the Belmont. Is like it's so foreign to me.

It's New York, but it's Long Island.

It's, you know, the whole thing and then a friend of mine came,

as I just saw him a couple of times, okay, Belmont the chair

really want to go. I'm like, okay, yeah, okay, you

know, I get credentialed but he's no, no no.

Hamptons Belmont and I was like wait is that like done?

Because it's done. I was like done.

So I might even have to work for a horse race.

No Kiddin like not even done at 2:00 like just done.

I said, try not to do it myself. These are, these are places that

I haven't been in many, many years.

So you got to go to King Umberto's.

If you go to Belmont. Well obviously.

Yeah, well, I really want to do. I do want it at some point, and

maybe we'll do for the show, will find a sponsor, whatever

the Sunday and Monday after Belmont.

Go up to New Haven and do the duo beats, like, yeah, Exactly.

Like actually do the thing, go to Umberto's, do the thing, but

then like get out of the city a little bit, go to New Haven and

figure that out, but all that's very much in flux that.

But yeah, that's essentially where I guess friend who lives

in Greenwich and they go out there all the time and he used

to go. He's the one that came down in

the dirt with me. Probably.

Yeah, he was there John. Yeah, let your tongue.

Yeah. Yeah, so he was in Greenwich

that's about less than 30 minutes from Belmont.

So every time I'm on a crutch so every time I go out there, I

stay at his house in Greenwich and then driving the Belmont for

the day. Need to do and then come back to

this house is great. Did you have did you have

Aqueduct as a track? We had all the New York tracks

with one point. We had all the enough traction,

the u.s. that like 80% of the handle in the u.s. went through

track is track. Well, you gotta figure New

York's a big chunk of that. So let's close with this.

Then I mean, lots of lots of scuttle that they're doing the

renovation and putting in the poly at Belmont to get rid of

aqueduct. I think they're definitely doing

that. So you're a guy who lost

Suffolk, you know, we've had people on our show who lost

Arlington. We've had people on the show

who've lost other tracks. Talk about Aqueduct.

Is it worth saving? Because I'm because I have a I

have a spot in my heart for the guy who's at Churchill Downs at

11:30 on a Wednesday. Yeah I know.

But if that guy could drive seven miles to a different

track, would you what he probably right?

So if it was the only like when we lost Suffolk, I don't even

know where the nearest tractor here is correct fair enough.

It might be New York. Is there any progress on that,

by the way in Massachusetts? No, I mean, that really got.

That was awful. The family on that thing for

years and then that property had turned, they were, they were

promised the slot license for that property.

Yeah. And then a bunch of different

public, political changes happened in the promises were

made by the same guy who's in office now.

And then they decided, okay, well, let's put it in Everett

but the casino in Everett. Oh and it is a nightmare.

First of all it's like $50 to $100 minimum.

Blackjack. Oh, Oh my God, because it is

just no real estate there. It's a beautiful hotel, but it's

small and the gaming for small. So when you go in there, you

don't have and you got Foxwoods and Mohegan, an hour and a half

away or whatever. So they really put it in a place

that was a showcase and you can see it from Boston and all that,

but they didn't put in the right place.

They should have put part of that in where the Suffolk Downs.

Has the problem with that is the same problem that accurate or

seven when they were attacked. It was all friendly when they

when the casino first moved in there right now.

Not so much, because if you're a casino owner, you look out your

window. And you see a giant empty space,

that horses run around in circles, on all you can see is

Miles slot machines. And how much you could put there

and the revenue from that is going to always Trump the

revenue for horse racing. It just is well there you go.

Well he's Peter Galiano sigh. I have very few people who I've

met in horse racing that I like more than Peter.

So, I'm very happy that after three and a half years to do in

this thing. Peter is a guest on the podcast.

I've got to ask you and if the answer is, no, it's totally

fine. Are you interested in people

finding you on social media? Yeah, you can I'll on Twitter.

What are you? I believe it's Pima.

Raucous p.m. ARA Cas but perfect.

Yeah, they go go. Find peace.

My dear there. He's now a fan which could

actually be pretty fun. He's actually allowed to talk,

though. It's gonna be pretty.

It's a blast job. It's fun.

And people talk about it. It's nothing that has amazed me

more than being in any place. It doesn't matter.

Grocery store, Boat Club, restaurant, whatever.

And you mentioned something about racing and someone From a

couple tables over says you talk about horse racing and I'm like

yeah and you don't get that with baseball because you feel like

there's a community there and they're all they all know each

other with racing when two people who enjoy racing find

each other. It's a big deal and it my

daddy's taking a Saratoga, every winter, every summer and I loved

it up there. It was a blast and you bring

coolers on the edges you know that would wake up and decide.

It's different man. Yeah, it's different.

It's different for sure, for sure.

All right. Well at Pima rockets on Twitter.

Go find him there and Just a very unique background in our

Sport and so Peterman really appreciate it and I hope I run

it to you soon. Lou any time.

Let me know if you guys are about mounting around up oh

sounds great. Awesome.

Okay, talk to you soon. All right sir talk to you.