Jerry Mac (McLenin) Joins!

Well, the music is gone. Just just like that.

What happened? It just shut off, mic and Louis

horse racing. Happy hour.

What's up? Hey, man.

Our boy. Zack is back.

We missed him back the pig is As in it isn't the a draft night.

So we do have will get the lot of that pic is in, you know,

Zack pop on real quick. We need to know about the Disney

Experience. How was the Disney experience

with Zach took wife, three kids in a camper drove from Texas to

Orlando go. We went to Gulf Shores.

That was amazing like all short. So it's I told Louis this and it

is. It is sacrilegious to most It's

but Universal Studios is better than Disney.

What's that Universal Studios is better than Disney.

Oh, you like little Harry Potter World.

All right. And Simpsons.

And yeah, Transformers and Spider-Man is there.

And did you get a wind? We did.

Yep, you get all this stuff and diagonally.

We did not do that. No, but I am Slytherin Hoechlin

read any of it and I'm definitely slowed during your

death. We went so Disney.

I Covered is Walt Disney, bought way too much property, and they

decided to fill it with stores with one or two rides in between

the stores. Can I just give my greatest

piece of parenting advice that I've ever is?

Do we took the kids to Disney and, you know, that Nina was

probably. I don't know.

First grade is they were like six in 374 in that range, right?

So we told them, we said, hey, you can buy whatever you want.

Here's to here's a hundred dollar gift card each Once you

spend it, it's gone. But you can buy whatever you

want with it. Okay.

And they assist and advise so far, this is a story but keep

right, but the invited they didn't ask for anything.

Like they were the last day with their gift card, like holding

onto it like, you know, it's because you're going to get, if

you don't do something like that, you're going to get beat

up every second like, oh can I get this kind of get that?

It's like, yeah, you can get that.

You got your car and then they were really starting to think

like should I spend my might get caught on this out of it was the

it is the way to go with with Disney.

Shirt. And, you know, they look, they

got to make their own decision, it was like, oh great, yeah.

Want to set up a show tonight? I mean, we're gonna have a good

show. We had a great show last week

without sack and so it's going to be pretty good show here was

that we got lucky last week so if you missed last week's show

we go ahead and have Jen antonucci honest.

She's great Jenna antonucci. Hey oh hey, we go back to that

part of the world this week with our guy Jerry Mac.

Just wait till you meet Jerry Mac.

Going back to the east coast, going back to Jersey as we did

it. Mom.

If last week, hey, how did the have that handicapping for that?

You killed it? You hit your, you had a nice

nice ticket healthy way that pick for.

You would have what? What?

250 bucks. Something like that.

Was it? Yes.

Thats not bad. Do it was this is that last

race? Was the one where you going to

kind of push first on the, on the United Nations prep and I

was like, yeah, I think you can look outside.

I think the 5 and the 6 here, you know, pickles and you know

whatever else and you were like that.

It's tribute. Then he's going to win like what

are we doing? And the tribute been faded and I

was like, oh we're going to make a couple huh.

I don't think I was on tributing.

I just didn't think I like your horse and then when we did the

show you did with the pickle. Yes.

When we did the ESPN show the next day.

I kind of like, you know what, I can start to see where you're

kind of coming in and how do you commandeering do you actually

get to see Theresa lost by three lectures?

Okay, yeah not bad. Finished X attribute.

All right. Hey so it is.

We had Zach back. We got we got the NBA draft

going on because it is one of I do like NBA draft for whatever

reason, your little billion where the number one.

Yeah. For college basketball and all

that kind of stuff. And we were going to have like

you said, Jerry, Mac? Come on.

We got a letter Reveille. Potentially coming on talk, a

little about it even. I mean, like, didn't magically

really hope? That's pretty big to feel strain

rates Clara Valley. He'll be back in the as the 825

favorite of the Ohio Derby. Which is where we're going for

Haiti camping this week. By the way, if you're

interested, Dan Issel, and I will have the Cleveland Plain

Dealer. Stir freighter on tomorrow.

How about that? Why do they call it?

This'll down instead of fissile downs.

That's what I want to know. Oh, that's good.

That's the question. That's what America wants to

know like everyone else is Churchill's a year.

They ready? Ohio?

No. It's like, the year, after the

Kentucky Derby, it's that old. Thank you.

You do get that the word is thistledown, right?

Yeah, filters, actually is all one word.

Yes, right. But usually like, if you're

talking about like to make it part of a racetrack, you'd be

like this will Downs. Okay, but the word is this one

thing this will downtown's has exact point I am.

Yeah, that's why I would just sound for real.

It's going down for real. Do we get dinged on that YouTube

yet? Right, it's a chance.

All right, let's before we get to the replays of what happened.

Silt and Monmouth, we have a plenty of time.

I want to talk a little bit about who's your philly?

Coming up with the big performance, because who's your

Filly? Just didn't go to the Pea Patch

in beat wet paint. I mean, who's your Filly

destroyed wet paint? And we talked about it.

I was to get out front staff for a track on the dirt.

By the way, it would it 100% is but we've been, you know, we

thought who's your Filly ran better when we saw her and

Pimlico, and I agree with that. And then now, like just, you

know, are we going to start to get the Hoosier Philly that we

thought we were going to get? And, you know, can she I think

the hope with her if you're a fan is she runs at Churchill in

September and in November, right?

Okay. Yeah.

Maybe with Keeneland between if she's just better and in

Kentucky, I don't know. But it Has to be that she is

better here than she is really her.

Hiccups are what in New Orleans, right?

Yeah. So if she just doesn't like New

Orleans, she ran well enough, it felt like I was.

So you're saying, you're saying no to the distaff for her.

Yeah, I'm saying no to that. Okay, I don't think she's there.

I don't know if any of these three year olds of their

interesting pretty mischievous. She can show that she is.

Okay. She has a chance at the Oaks and

the CC a0 X and then, in the, in the Alabama, for sure.

All right, let's go to the pegs Stakes where yes, all Kings

Barnes return here after the Derby.

He finishes second and earns a spot in the Haskell.

Let's take a look at this. It's subrogate went 111 and 4/4

3/4 of a mile and subrogated. Kings Barn, their Her to

shoulder at the top of the stretch Kings.

Barnes is trying to push on by, and now has put a neck in front

subrogate. Us Barry game to the inside.

How great is they just trying to re rally at salute?

The stars on the grandstand side, Kingsbury just having to

work salute, the stars with a huge effort, Kings, barred

salute, the Stars Kings board. Salute, the Stars tank smart,

salute, the Stars, okay? We had a lot of besmirch meant

about Kings Barnes his time in Louisiana Derby, right?

Okay, his Pace. Yes, we just saw a closer win

when the opening fraction was 23:7, right?

That's a slow pace for a closer to come in and be able to take

that win, right? Yeah, I think everything all the

time about genes Barnes is legit.

All of its legit. He got a perfect trip.

Yes. Let the Stars had all kinds of

trouble and still picked off that race and is now an absolute

problem in the Haskell. Nobody especially if there's a

faster Pace than that, if there's any more to run into

than that, oh my goodness. Enos.

Yes. Brad Cox picking another good

spot here. By the way, was listed wrong in

some of the resources I saw that he ran on Turf last time.

Actually, it was taken off Turf. Last time out taken off at

Churchill. Still a good track but church

has a good track one. The water over my eyelid and it

turns back around at Mom and does the exact same thing with

that horse started coming and I thought this might help the pick

for a little horse gets up and he did we played to the first

leg of that was one of course we get Gary West Gary.

Mary West the owner there Brad Cox a trainer.

Regarding really good for the West.

I don't know that they've ever had its.

The little guys, thanks, again, it's a little guys, with I

really need that healthy. Yeah, and so, yeah, we, you

know, Brad Cox, I think this could be the summer, you know,

obviously black oxide, great Derby Runners.

But he's gonna have these late bloomers to, I mean, we might

see another one. It's on how their yeah.

He's got a chance, he's gonna have a chance.

Maybe always get a stable horses at the end.

Absolutely, no question. We don't know who or words that

you could be, you know, maybe he runs this horseback, you know,

he goes for that. Little Midwest triple crown that

we've been trying to get them to start or if he likes this you

know it's a salute the Stars, right?

Okay. Maybe salute, the stars comes

back because we still have two full weeks here.

Sure. He runs in the inning, I don't

know, they think he's fit. Who knows through you through?

He's not so ridiculous. All right, well, so that was

salute the Stars winning that for Brad Cox.

You know, we'll see if there's enough space for him to take

down the Haskell. All right, Zach, so we're going

to go to our next replay. Which is consumer spending.

When the Eatontown, the slow pace, they went one 13 .50,

Vergara at the top of the lane has got the lead Gina Romantica.

Now, Sprint's after her at the realest, surprisingly looking

for that cement consumer spending for across the course,

Burger has tried to get it out for a final Furlong consumer

spending to the outside, Vergara is game, but consumer spending

is best consumer spending Wednesday Eatontown.

Surprisingly up for A second then came for Gaara for.

All right. Zach, you were not here last

week but I know you enjoy Family Guy.

Can you name the track announcer at?

Monmouth, I tried to give you as much of a hint as possible.

His name is Chris Griffin. How about that also close races?

Of course at Aqueduct. I was I was on YouTube so I

didn't get the chance to click in, but yes, it's very

excitable. I like Chris, by the way.

The only thing I said before that.

Was the Eatontown feeds to. Oh gosh, what is it?

The Matchmaker Matchmaker. Thank you.

And Chad Browns, won five of the last six matchmakers consumer

spending trade by Champ. Crowd seemed to be a good choice

here as well. So we got away again from Gina

Romantica who I think forth and I think that was more.

Just get her legs underneath her.

Get ready for the magic herb. Yeah, probably I think we'll see

you again next month but consumer spending look really,

really good. That's the style that definitely

can win that race again, next month and the favorite went off

at surprisingly. Surprising was the favorite.

We had surprisingly, in our in, we had three horses in that race

or God. Whose what's the guy's name?

We have four Mama's last week while not for you.

I think Brian? Yeah, he came out.

He was surprisingly, that was his pick and that horse.

Had to make a move next to the rail and didn't want to do it.

Did you notice that? Yep, got up there.

The lane was there in the horse went, I don't know.

And so we were covered both ways on our ticket.

But had that horse surprisingly frankly, because under Paco

Lopez, you would have assumed that he would have gotten that

horse. Just to work out on Saturday.

So that was consumer spending for with, say me, Camacho aboard

again, Chad, Brown is the trainer taking down that and

we'll get that start in the Matchmaker.

So yeah, you know, how many guys do we watch?

Take their phone away from their girlfriend tonight?

Take their phone away from their girlfriend will listen.

None of these guys should be dumb enough to have their

girlfriends with their phone. Like if you are around this

culture, typically like Brandon Miller for sure.

He's got a couple girls, a great that.

Don't know about each other agree.

Or we got one girl, it doesn't know about the other ones and

the other girls know about the main one was got what the main

the wife? Yeah, they got, they got like,

there's like a pecking order that I used to know how it all

went. But yeah.

This is is that Jack Carla. No.

All right. There's no but he's gonna score

just as many Points in the advantage a car.

Have you watched the White Men Can't Jump remake tall.

I respect myself a little more than that.

Straight to Hulu, quite so well, Olivier Mac sauce.

All right, let me while we while we're waiting on Jerry Mac to

pop on which, you know, hopefully he'll pop on here any

second here which we got a couple minutes before he's

supposed to be on. We told me to clock.

Let me just kind of like preference.

I guess how we got connected with Jerry Mac?

Okay who Jerry Mac is? So, I think most people know

that I own a real estate office in Louisville.

Kentucky, we have, we have some extra office space.

I have, I definitely have more office space.

I need is that true Louis? You used to need all of it but

now you don't need. No.

I've never needed all the all of it yet.

Yeah because we got like almost 4,000 square feet fair enough.

So this house fits in his office twice.

Yeah almost we had so we working connected with this production

companies making a whore. Movie in Louisville that will

seven movies being made Louisville the summer, by the

way, by the way, that's what happens when you have decent

government incentives. That's right.

How about that? And the director of this movie

is a guy named Paul, Pompa and Paul Pompa.

The third is the director, Paul. Pompa jr.

Is as father who passed away was the original owner of big brown

and had had part of the ground when he won the Kentucky Derby.

Well, Jerry Mac is who work I've on and you know, we're covering

a lot of New York Racing right now.

A lot of Jersey racing right now and Jerry Mac is Paul pompous

racing manager, stable manager. So part of our 101 sequence

here, we're going to j-mac on level is a Jerry Mac has been in

this game for over 20 years and he's got all the stories.

I mean, this is the situation whenever Jerry gets on here that

we're just going to have to like, you know, drop a quarter

in there while the machine up and let him go.

And hopefully you guys are going to get some straight Jersey

stories. And and you go loved every

second of it. But yeah, that's it's weird.

How the, you know, we get hooked up with a movie company and make

it work and making horror films, and there's this Horse Racing

Connection. That's, you know, to, you know,

one of the greatest Derby, performer horses, horses of all

time. So I'm really interested to talk

to him about seahorses. I've been to almost, I didn't

think I did say yeah. Okay, just checking, I'm really

interested just to talk about, you know, how they got to, how

they got, big brown. The first place, the story

behind that they've also own. Country Grammar, before he was

trained by Bob baffert there. He'll talk about their strategy

that they had. Really, they weren't afraid to

sell the horse, right. And then the the horse that they

still have the breeding rights to is connect which, of course

mr. Whistle for the big dance.

Yeah, so that's what we got coming on here if Jerry gets on

the show. So we'll see you next see what

happens and maybe maybe doesn't know this is live and fucking

before we can talk to him, you ain't Do we get our naturally

stuff going on? How about you?

Don't worry about that. Yeah, you never know that.

J Max, we will have a couple four segments show very unusual

for us to have a foresight, which I will have Jerry.

I'm next for our hit her horse racing 101.

Then we'll have a Larry Reveille on just got confirmation from

him. Traitor of to Phil's, of course,

the favorite of the Ohio Derby, the grade 3, Ohio Derby, this

week and a half million bucks and that one about that in a

very serious field in the lady Jacqueline right before it as

well. So this is a very cool close to

the day. They're Interstate daydream

Zach. And I saw a couple years ago.

Oh, yeah, black-eyed, Susan. That's a great horse idyllic.

Oh, and then she won the came back.

Won the Indiana Oaks as well. And then of course, this year

came back, we saw her this year on 19th was break this day.

We see her when the DuPont. Yeah, so I had to miss you

valent laid out Vita, who are both in that field as well. 63

calibers in that field coming off, a really good run in the

Shawnee. Okay, ran right behind idiomatic

which is another one of Brad Cox.

Potential summer, absolute Blockbusters, and so bunch of

really good horses in that 11th. Race that the late double me as

far as quality. Very, very high-end in Cleveland

this weekend. Okay, yeah, there it is.

I mean, I don't know why you'd want to go Cleveland, but I

guess to go the harder B Because if, if you want to understand

Bone, Thugs and Harmony, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

How 40 ounces? Just tastes better in Cleveland,

you have to go to Cleveland to discover those.

We are all in agreement about How underrated Bone

Thugs-N-Harmony is? That's part.

Yeah, exactly. Are you on board with that?

Exactly. Are you still live in Columbus?

Ohio and Bizzy. Bone came into the local

Cheesecake Factory and I would hang out and drink with him.

That's right. That's right.

All right. We got our man.

Jerry Jerry. Mac is here.

So there's Jerry McLennan. Terry.

How's it going sir? Could you got Jimmy?

Yeah, me. Yeah, we got you.

Jerry. We got you.

So Jerry, I, he was kind of telling our listeners a little

bit about you. You want to play my opinion?

Yeah, let's we're going to do a little, we get this is our 101

segment. So we're going to play our

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I Jerry I'm going to. You are officially your official

title for Pompa racing is the stable managers that correct?

Correct. All right so tell everyone and

this 101 segment we're just kind of educating a little bit.

What does the stable manager do that?

And then I want you to tell me specifically because you did a

little bit of everything for Pompa.

Yeah basically you know we started out very small, claiming

a couple horses, getting a little action going in like get

the bill. Yeah, Paul goes, let's expand.

He sent me down to OBS, my trainer.

And we bought a, you know, first to you already bought four

hundred thousand, which at the time I thought was a lot of

money and ended up being this Bianco, appeal in the winter to

stick race. So he started off on the right.

Right foot. So eventually we got a few more

horses and he had me he was running a trucking company at

the time, Paul. So he's like, he's know, he had

all kinds of stuff going on. He put me in charge of the

hordes of chicken with the train is making sure they're working

out looking at the condition books, even though we wanted to

train his really pick out the races but you know I would

always have a little hand under if there was a race coming up

and just a well-being in the horses.

It was like a whole team effort, you know?

So you had your basically liaison for Paul to the racing

world. Is that a good way of putting

it? I mean when he first got into

horse racing is you know through his father.

I used to hang out with his father who claimed the couple of

horses. He had a small stable at

Monmouth and he he asked me for my advice and then when Paul

like 1999 goes I want to get into horse racing and I said,

Paul 19.95 is in the people lose money and the other five

percent. Why He left, he said, let's go.

We're wild rice with, it was really wild.

So when you all purchase big brown, big brown with a

yearling. Is that correct?

Well, we got big bells it to evil still.

Okay. Right, I picked the horse out.

Because we own the, we claimed the horse and call stream, Snake

River Canyon for 80,000. Alright, so we get the horse.

As I trained with the time he liked the horse so we were

actually action guys. Those were running right back in

the same race, 80 the same owners we win the race easily in

the same on a claim, some back. So the mother I was right.

I was tracking all the horses I had.

I'd put the dams down in my book so every stone come up I

cross-reference and here's this this damn me in.

There's a horse in the film, you know what?

The dams, man? Because, all right, you guys,

let's start. Let's go forward, right?

So we sent our crew over there, guys.

Some kidding Brooke like the Farmer used.

They went over, they look them over.

They said looks pretty good. And we sent the veterinary Mike

chavannes. He came very high rating.

So he said I with a start bidding on but see how high it

goes. Like 180 it again so I support.

Don't go over. 200. I mean, you know, the horse

doesn't look like he's gonna get, you know, even get a good

amount of quarter. Forget it.

You know, and me and was a loaf of bread, the no meah meah.

So boom. We have big ground.

You know, it's just like the guys that his book said, the

horse look very good, you know, I bet City look very good.

So we kind of 4190. We get them back and he was

training, like awesome. And if I rental said this is one

of the best to you all's I've ever had in my life and the rest

was history after that. I mean, it was just incredible

ride. But that was a big.

If we hit that, we want a really big role at that time.

We had backseat weird. Mmm, she won.

Multiple great ones. I mean, we were hooked up with

the IH people at we sold big, ground to them.

We're buying horses with them. I mean, it was this the world

wind going on at the time. And you know, he was having so

much fun Paul. I mean he just My guy from an

investor. Anything and everything.

I know about horse racing, to be absorbed it all.

And then he had a passion that was unbelievable for the horses,

he just loved them, you know, so big round wins the Derby.

Are you there? What's the reaction?

Well, let me go back to the first race.

Okay. All right weekend.

All right. We're coming really intelligent

trainer, it's a pet. This guy could run.

I said, you know, you got them on Greer's he goes he could run

on Greer's their glass concrete. And so this is one of the best

for you also ever had. He said, tell Paul, come up here

and we're us. I said, okay, we're going to be

great. Go to the office.

Wait, picks me up. We drive up the now.

We're waiting around. We have another horse in the

race re-gift. It is it's only hook up a

picture a pic for so you know. So you know, at the beginning,

Edgar Prado is going to ride them.

Just retire, by the way. Yeah.

Anyway, We had to get a substitute jockey, we get Jeremy

Rose, which I do. We use top Marilyn Guy, you

know, I said, okay, whatever. So we go out into the paddock,

you get the one hole. This walking around, he's

walking around the tree, he rears up goes over backwards.

That ran over. He's trying to pull him down the

glooms. There I go, to Pat, I go to Paul

Paul, we have no chance here on the floor.

Because, all right. So, now down, I want to go

through the tunnel. Had told Jeremy, just hold on,

like, you see resources, like 15 to 1 at the time.

So Paul goes the window. He makes a nice bed.

I make a nice bet. And he goes out, they just dust

the field I guess. I've been knows his story and

Jerry, Ross, came back and he threw a couple of profanities

out of yours is the fiercest. Bang Clank.

My course, every road and I told Paul on the way home, I said the

phone's going to be ringing off the hook for now, we're really

be a new into the game is only in the game, like seven years.

He's had a course of maybe a Kentucky Derby time.

Type first time out two year old everybody wants one.

And sure enough the phone was ringing, like, crazy, we're

getting offers from all over the place.

We wanted to stay in Palm with the exact same guy.

He was, I don't want to sell the whole horse.

I want, you know, I want to have a piece of it.

So, couple of big guys out there, you don't like the

dollies, and the Dolphins they wanted to buy em for big money,

but couldn't get a piece and then we had this bloodstock

agent, we know Nick solution. So Working for our uh, at the

time, you know? And they had some big horses,

right? They called us up.

They go. We're going to meet, I'm going

to give you an offer. You can't refuse.

All right, so we're on the freeway and I'm listening post.

Listen, I'm sitting across from and the guy goes will give you

like four million is staying in for 25%.

I just put my thumb up in the air to pull.

You got to take that, you know, you know, stay in for 25% me.

Give you that kind of cash. I mean, you know, and sure

enough. Now they get them sent them over

to touch oh, Victor Cho and you know, it's a good me, a whole

change around. Now with all the Jackie's off,

they get intent to swarm all over item and I'm all pumped up.

I see this is like fantasy, you know?

I said, this is right before the Florida Derby.

Yeah, right before the Florida Derby, right?

I'll yeah, the Breeders Cup to you all Grace race so he had

major quarter crack problems, right?

So he gets a quarter crack right before the race.

The can't run them in that. Let's put them on the sidelines.

I'm on the sidelines and I wasn't too familiar.

Dick touch, all these Horsemen and I said, what's the story?

Let's lay him up, bring it back all scream and let's see how far

we get along well with Mabel make like the Travis or you know

that's cool whatever you if he wins you know you think he's

that good. Excellent.

So now funny story. I got to tell you I'm in Vegas

for the national handicapping tournament.

So I'm with all my buddies. The win and they got the

Kentucky Derby to bets. I'm rubbing my pocket.

I gotta eat thousand my pocket, right?

And I look up big Browns, 300 to 1, I told my friends.

What about your husband? The big brown eyes, I don't

think Ziva did train and I, you know, it's January, you know,

call up, I call up toucher. I'm in Vegas and I'm just

looking at this board for big round.

He's 300 to 1, he goes for what I said for the Dobby.

Because he's walking about shed row with no shoes on right now.

He goes, you know, if we get them ready for the summer, I'd

be happy. I don't even pretend dollars on.

I said, okay. All right, all of a sudden it's

February 6th and the government allowed to race and the grace

and I'm like, babe, what happened?

Because he just turned to call warning.

He started working tremendously but okay, so he's going to run

was a grass race. It's pouring rain.

It's coming down. You can't believe in the

morning. Eh has evolved, and they have

some partners and ringing. Paul got so, and we're gonna

have like a 10-way. Everybody's all over the country

and so we run them on the dirt. Listen to one of mine.

Anything as far as I heard from, you know, that Reynolds that we

can run on anything. And that's all said, yeah, I

think he's okay. And the first race he went by

like 15 and a half into the hole.

It wasn't a great allowance for you, but even one the way we're

looking at Florida Derby in the Florida Derby, he said he's just

want to 1x, you know, And then of course it gets post 12

whatever wanting post 12 deployed, it do we and I'm

saying if he wins this race he's a super horse and he won that

Race easily. Now we're going to go after be

I'm like everybody's a static, you know.

So Paul says family together, 27 people He flies us all out to

the derby. So I'm doing the numbers.

I'm at third graph guy and he's running like - tools as a

three-year-old if I can't believe, will numbers, sure.

And I said, I don't think he'd get PDF.

But let's see how to draw goes because we get down his three

numbers left. You pick your post?

So I ran those. I just take the 20 Charlie, I

couldn't believe he said that. I'll just take the 20.

No horse has ever won from the 20 hole.

So now we have to win consecutive races, you know,

2012 whole ago. Stream to the 20, Jolla

Churchill, and he pulled that off.

I said, I don't we might have a Triple Crown towards.

Yes, we are. This is like unbelievable.

And, of course, listen, the Belmont is just three races in

five weeks something to this happened, of course.

I mean there's always talk about that Winstrol thing, this that

horse just that they maybe just didn't have it, we don't know

nobody out of it. No but he came back, he won the

hassle, he won that Turf race. We want to run in the Breeders

Cup but he got the quarter cracks again.

So we did wasn't right for the horse recently.

I hated them and, you know, I go see him every year, when I go up

to Saratoga, I stopped at questworld all over padam ull.

A brownie comes running over. I mean, the horse is living a

nice life. Good.

I mean, that was just a blast. I could tell you what happened

after that, but we started breeding for him, but we had

101, big brown babies. For years and none of them were

really turning out to good, you know?

And then finally we're there to say, you know, all right, we

have to get out so more, that was a heartbreaking but we kept

the couple told me pick out three of them.

You like This hot study things like babies at the time and send

it in one other one to get into well but the sending and heart

study, but when I get half a million, you know, so he had a

couple decent horses. Yeah.

Dortmund for bad fit. Sure.

Nice one, huge horse. So how you put that on right now

you know that smoking hot brown. Anytime I see a big round or so

I could just got $20 on just sitting on the whole bit because

I love of the horse, you know. So Lily one of the hundred big

brown Offspring was puka, who is the mayor?

We're good magic. I really ready to get back in

with my mom. So the big brown mind wins the

Kentucky Derby this year as the damn sire.

I'll ask Jerry. Do you remember who was on dr.

Cal who finished second behind Big Brown when he broke his

maintenance are Toga. Whoo.

That's a tough one. That was that was a mod sauce

but I remember that. I will that get this horrible.

How about that cat? Saw the back of them and they

got to ride them up. I think that's pretty great.

Yeah. Yeah, not a bad change of paid

for him. He's like fantastic specimen.

If you have a see him up close so I'm telling you man.

But it was a right I loved it and you had a couple other good

ones. Come on.

You all High Country Grammar for a while before you all sold them

and bad for took them over. You also own connect and you'll

do you still does? The does the the state of Paul

because Paul passed away to do, they still own connect?

Yes, we go, 1 Paul, syndicated them.

Percent 10 percent of them so we still have, you know, for

breeding shares and cluster Syndicate, you know.

So that's been going, well, he's been putting out some nice run.

Is the other rat on Roll. Billy turned into a nice horse.

We've got the Philly hidden connection running this weekend.

You know, it's sporadic, correct.

He's only been here for You can turn it around at any time into

Mischief, he didn't start out with a bang either.

It's just the way it happens, you know, absolutely to wait, if

you look back at Apatosaurus three or four years, he wasn't

really too much with that and then it just clicked, you know?

It's a tough business reading, much stuff.

It in the bedding or racing horses.

Let me just Rattle and Roll. Hey, strike the Alice.

Look we watch out on the Oaks Trail this year hidden

connection of course, part of that group as well as Deputy

connect all kinds of things. So, no off to meet Christ.

She's got what 786 figure winners already?

So yeah, connects doing the thing that's great.

I mean, II followed, most of the ones that we still have like 12

out there, that pool bread. First link, You know, you know,

I don't love the guy and just say every time he has a filly

out there, Tom only has Granny's connection, she just won like

four or five in a row since the new up bread and he took it out

the mama, two weeks of had to go down to see the horse, she's

big, big, beautiful animal, right?

So she goes in a mom at the race.

He's running like he was 1X or 2x open and she just goes to the

lead, never stops. She won five in a row wire to

wire. We had the Mad Granny's drink

celinda rice, she ran off the screen that you got a little

injury that we, you know, we do want to take a chance, we will

use it for breathing, so we break connect to her, and it got

this grains connection, I mean, fast Filly.

I'm just hoping she gets to the Breeders Cup.

So Jerry, what was yours growing up?

What was your home track? Like what we're was your your

your horse racing memories. Where what track was?

We're all those formed at I always, you know, I was never

involved. My father would never take me to

track you, take my brother right up to my was like, 15.

Then my oldest brother said, I know you like horse racing as

I'll take it to the track that it's humble.

Don't tell Dad, you know. So I want the aqueduct.

I seen a stake race Susan's girl.

Remember, once he was a champion Philly, all right, and then I

was hooked after that. And right after I got out of

high school I said I'm going to go work at the track so I went

to the track. I did Mike like 11 months,

walking horses, mucking stalls and I loved it.

Hey like 146,000 a week you know you working seven days a week

and it was fun but you know, My brother.

A union. He goes, you want to make some

real money. I said, I guess, I have to

because I can do pool know what I'm doing here.

I went into printing you and I was in there.

My whole life until 99. Paul calls me and tells me about

getting into the horse game, which that changed my life.

So I had to do two koreas ahead. But the aqueduct was always my

favorite track. I mean, Belmont, I want to a few

times, you know, basically Aqueduct.

You don't hear that very often someone from you're saying over,

Saratoga Velma, that Aqueduct is the place to go.

I love Ali. Be me.

Yeah, by the way like that kind of track.

I do like that kind of track by the way Susan's Susan's girl the

1972 winner of the jokes about that, all right.

So erase 63 times 29 wins 14 seconds in her career, you'll

see that anymore. Do we?

She was great. Yeah, we're talking about the

spinster. The the beldame, the Delaware

handicap the match. She won the match maker at

Atlantic City when it was still over the wow.

Second in the vanity and the Wilshire.

A grade 1 grade 3. Before that one, the Long Beach

handicap at Hollywood Park. I mean she won graded Stakes at

some Coast-to-Coast like 10 different tracks.

Wow. Yeah she was that's like You

know, those 63 starts fall in love with those fillies fault,

you know? When they're, when they're 23

years old because they're going to run forever, right?

Yeah, I mean you know the game's little change right now I mean

I'd like to see like these guys that keep their courses and

training. You know when we sold Regal

Glory, okay? A lot of money right now but I

just love the horse, he was really great friends of Paul and

he said I'm going to race it again.

I said really, it said okay you know, she was five, you know,

and then she put in this spectacular season she was

winning everything every race. I was just so happy.

But, you know, a lot of guys to know when a marriage 5, that's

usually the prime is to put them into breeding, but he ran her.

So now she's the she's enfold to miss into mischief.

I believe right now. Awesome.

Well Jerry. I appreciate it.

A whole lot for coming on today. You got another one.

Yeah, yeah, Jerry. Thanks for coming on.

It's always kind of cool to see someone who, you know, was

mucking stalls to run in an entire racing operation.

It's pretty amazing. What, how do you like to enjoy

the races? Now, what are you?

What do you do? Do you you ought to Mom with you

go to Aqueduct or yeah. Walking home.

Fresh blood. Tomorrow is a couple of

beautiful two-year-old races. Oh my God, I hope it don't rain

too hard. So I want to nothing like

because I think is fascinating because I think you could

probably look at two-year-old races thousand different ways.

How do you like to handicap a two-year-old race?

What do you look at first? When they have limited, well, it

was a lot easier when I was in the game with the chain is

because everybody has an opinion in most of these guys know when

that was going to run. But if the workout pad is a very

you know you got to see them work and every seven days.

No you try to get a nice workout before the race.

Not the last word down, maybe the race.

You for that. That's the primary work out is

the workout before the last, if you see a nice to you, I work

like a mini flat anywhere. They're ready to roll, you know,

so I always have to work Well Jerry thanks again for coming on

and maybe we'll do this again sometime.

I appreciate it. Sure guys, that was great.

Ya happy now, I love it. The part of the connections of

big brown. Pretty interesting stuff and

he's putting the guys got stories for days though.

Yeah. All right.

Well, let's next time we're going to have you not show up

But Jerry talk and I'll just reacted area.

That's fine. Yeah, you could roll with that

interview. No problem.

All right, we're going to enter into our handicapping segment as

we wait for our guests layer of belly to join the show.

What? You'll and he'll tell us about

his favorite in the, how they work?

Yeah, no. But one of his owners are

shipping it for to the allowance, racism actually

interested. Ask about those as well.

It's great. So you want to go ahead and

start with Race 9, we do just a heads up if you haven't checked

them out. First gen Sports 1st, Gen

sports.com, check out a Louise, look ahead, every Saturday.

It's kind of a recap of this this segment on the show.

We always link this part of the show to as well if you end up

missing it. But all of my takes on what will

happen in the sequence that we're checking out and the freak

is the late pick for a dad to still down at the sold-out.

And that starts with the Daniel Stearns Cleveland cup, it's a

modern date on the dirt for three-year-olds.

Ohio Reds only 75,000 dollar purse, Willie, where did you

land in this race? In the ninth like you mentioned

the ninth and the tenth are going to be Ohio, old me, right?

Yeah, we get the state breads here.

The 75,000 dollar Races by the way, did you look up who Daniel

Stearns? I do what I'm doing right now.

Just, you know, you got to get away for a little bit important

figure in Ohio, okay? But also, I think the name of a

serial killer, it's probably not that guy, so it's not him if the

other one. So go ahead and do that.

I, uh, I landed on a couple of Different horses here.

So what's interesting is the prep race for this race kind of

visitor phrase developed here in Cincinnati.

Okay but then they turn it back and go on the dirt at a mile a

minute here Erza's. Yeah.

Melanie and so last time out Trojan tail routed for the first

time seem to really like it comes back keeps a fair and

Peterson the jockey here. She's back for this one, looks

to make it three in a row trainer.

Mike Baker goes very well between surfaces.

So for me, I'll be looking for that one.

I think it's an obvious favorite here.

The six Trojan tail paint. The town is the Horse in this

race. Mike run well in the mud before.

I think there's a chance we're actually going to get rain

tomorrow and Saturday. Okay, it's up.

We're looking for horses that run.

Well when it's wet, I would look for paint the town.

Not wet paint or paint the town red Town.

See how I did that. Yep like it decent chance.

We're looking at a wet track like I mentioned that Gorham

Diaz combo at thistledown 29% together and after getting the

experience after over two turns, I think that horse will also be

part of the final equation, but for the to fair and square in

the for return on investment, I think they're both interesting.

Runners. I would learn lean toward fair

and square in this one. The to horse here for Tim ham,

the trainer their horse been running in that state Bread

Company in these these steaks here, these are black types and

listed Stakes as run behind Trojan tail twice last two times

out, but only lost by a couple links last time.

Does now have that routing experience as well?

I would lean on the 2 first. So if I had a top 3 here, I

would go, 6 3 & 2. All right, so, Daniel Stearns

was a veterinarian who tended to the police horses and Cleveland.

And then he bred some resources. But then I think as you know

Michigan State or a big chain guy specifically you like that

he championed the Ohio State Victory Bell.

So that, you know, I would I like Ohio State.

Well me, just because it has some new Big 10 football and

it's like the only exact shaking his head because he knows

something, right? He'll do well, I'm with that

either. I'm no one know how stay all

day. No, but I think it's cool that

they named the Cleveland Gold Cup.

A guy, obviously, a very important.

Yeah, it was around for a long time.

Dad, what? The decade ago, something like

that. Sounds about, right, what you

said? Oh yes.

All right, we'll move onto raced in another Ohio, bread race here

for three year, olds and up amount of 16th on the dirt.

This is the George Lewis Memorial.

Another 75,000 dollar race. Where did you land in this race?

Yeah. So these state road races are

really interesting. And I think once in a while you

have to go for the harder older horses that have been knocking

around for a while, the eight big truck.

And here, I think is a desert favorite at 32 1349 at the

distance. One is last two going to turns

as get back to Rowdy here. So that makes a lot of sense,

couple. Last race is here, he's been

sprinting. I don't think that's what he

wants to do. I do think that he wants to get

back to turns. I think he'll do that Mobile

Solutions in this race. The 38 year, old gelding, 30

starts nine wins nine places, five shows at thistledown in his

career, so that horse does nothing.

But hit the board at thistledown 7421 at the distance and again

because we're in that state Bread Company.

We're really looking at this as like a nice allowance rather

than something. Sure.

For advanced like a great three upgrade to something like that.

Give me those two on top. So the E8 and A3.

I'm fascinated by Venture on the five here by numbers speed

numbers, I should say figures not impressive.

But the time say otherwise we just talked about this with

Jerry looking at, you know, workouts a two year olds or

whatever. It might be.

In this case, he's actually quite quite capable and I think

there's a chance that he's part of the final equation as well.

So if you're looking for a longer shot horse to hit the

board and be part of your exact assay, or the trifecta, look for

the five. So I went 835 in the George

Lewis, The Lonesome. Lewis says he was known and

since you're having the the writer from The Plain Dealer.

That's exactly who George Lewis was.

He was the handicapper for the Plain Dealer and, you know, you

don't, I think one day there should be a John service takes

or Ron flatter steaks or Well, you know, it's going to be on

the round fighter pilot tomorrow.

Right, who's that? Louis Robo.

Oh, are you? How about that?

Oh man, I got to know a. I didn't even know.

I was prom in that one. I'd take that one about that.

Yeah, so there it is. Your boy tomorrow, by the way.

On this little movie with a little Plain Dealer.

Yeah, little around flattered. That's way too much.

Lou. Ruvo, I wonder if they're there.

Might. Are you doing the show from home

tomorrow's? I was going on.

Well, good question, probably. Okay.

The the heck is just shaking his head.

The last like, five minutes of this I show no Ohio, State too

much. Louis and where are you doing

this show? And try to figure it all out

this Ohio bread program there Louis I think is something that

really benefitted from casino gambling.

I'm gone. Okay.

I mean, we saw and fell down or both recinos.

Have to think about Mahoning Valley, but I'm almost certain

though it is. I'm pretty sure.

Yeah, I'm almost 100% sure it is, but that is good.

That's the Pistons aren't taking him into using like a me, let me

tell you about the Number 5 of Horseshoe Casino's.

I saw driving the 10, across the eastern part of the United

States. Well, I'm just, I think that

that no doubt about it, casino gambling.

This is exactly where West Virginia and Ohio, just they're

racing. Programs.

Just bloomed out of the, I mean, they, they were around, but they

became serious Players Once once that kind of those purses came

in there in the breeding became Advantageous.

So there it is. There's the to Ohio dreads and

that leads us into race 11, which is the lady.

Jacqueline, a mile and an eighth on the dirt Phillies and mayor's

three-year-olds duck. Now we're getting into some real

money. Two hundred fifty thousand

dollars for a listed Stakes, that's what casinos do for you

Louis. It's also how you get the feel

that they have. If this isn't, this is not a

list of snakes. This is at minimum, a grade 3

and I'm like, oh, great, too, - because multiple winners of

graded stakes in here. I just, I think that This is a

really like interests a Daydream to as a, as a as a she's for

yes, as a family. Look, she's carrying the most

weight in this field and the weight is based on not on age,

but rather on wins. And so sometimes that's the

giveaway. She won the black-eyed.

Susan last year, she's 242 at the distance.

You get Frenchy. You get Brad, Cox.

This is the kind of trip that you make on purpose and so, I

think she's absolutely the one to beat here.

She's the eighth in the lady. Jacqueline. 2663 caliber Randy

huge. Last time I mentioned her

earlier in the show, in that. Great three.

Shawnee at Churchill Downs. This is technically a class drop

and I think of idiomatic and I think of Interest a Daydream is

similar horses. I do think idiomatic probably

running a little bit better right now.

And so, I do think that, that 63 caliber, if she can repeat that

performance from the Shawnee, has your shot here, Misty.

Bales in here, the five put together, a series of good runs

this year, including in the Dupont right behind Interstate

Daydream last time at Pimlico and so I think she can obviously

turn the tables with a little added distance here.

So I went 865 in the lady Jung of course, Interstate Daydream

also won the Indiana Oaks which we saw a live.

Yeah. Last year so good.

That is a good field, is either the race before.

Or after we watched I have our winner of Grassroots.

It was right around the. Yeah.

I was there right after I right. Yeah.

I was always part of our pick for ticket that, you know, you

read against me. To my face.

You were It Against Me by people, like, texting me all you

missed? Amen.

I don't care. I really I'm unimpressed with

him. I think he's, I think you'd be

as a stud. So, we'll see what the Pistons

do here. They are on the clock draft,

pretty much going as I'm, he's got.

You feel far to go with Kate coming here?

Other six will ya? All right, race. 12 is the grade

3? Ohio Derby?

This of Course if it says Derby's for three-year-olds Mile

and eight on the dirt five hundred thousand dollars, we're

going to see The Return of to Phil's here, heavy favorite.

But there's probably a couple other Shooters here that you

liked as well, right? So interesting race last year we

got the Tawny Port Y tu Barrio man.

Yeah and they went toe-to-toe down the stretch.

We got a really good Ohio Derby last year.

Best horse in this race is to Phil's.

Look generally speaking, the best three-year-olds.

Run in the Kentucky Derby, we got that with two fills.

A sheer ran a really Kirby, was it going to be made on that day?

Every metric points to him? Winning this Race speed figures

trainer stats at cetera. Underrated how good Larry

Reveille is at placing his horses.

People who listen to this show are tired of me.

Talking about how trainers place our horses.

Clara Valley has 134 of his 99th starts this year.

Wow, that's a good. That's a good resource.

Yeah, exactly. And we're talking about that

including four runs for two films this year.

He's only won one Race Tech time.

He's hit the board now for but At second in the Kentucky Derby

that first, of course, in the Jeff Ruby and the grade 3,

random, the Risen star and ran in the Lecompton, not get the

women either of those. So he is technically 142 at the

distance because of the Jeff Ruby.

But then before that, of course, finished third in the Risen star

behind son, thunder in angel of Empire.

I do think he's the class here. Bishops Bay is in here.

Arcangelo beat him in the Peter Pan.

What did arcangelo do the next start one Belmont.

What's the while you give a horse a pass for losing by head?

What I don't like about this horse.

Is he gets in the stretch and he doesn't, he doesn't pull away

from horses. He likes to run right next to

them. I think he's capable of pulling

away and he just doesn't do it and that bothers me.

So you think he's a pack animal. I think he really is.

Yeah, it is floral Giroux riding in.

It's not like it's Iraq. Like pushing him through the

finish line or something. I don't think florins a good

match for the horse, but I think he can win.

I think he's it's an uncle model Pioneer.

The Nile merrily totally capable, they paid four hundred

and fifty thousand dollars in this horse.

They obviously think in the spender if group, that spent

three of deceived me that he's got obvious.

And I agree that he's got obvious talent that he can win

here. The other horses here that

people will know that I think are the unknowns in this race

are the seven. Lord Mi sure.

Scratch. Other areas of the stewards

decision in Kentucky to shut down all of the Safi Joseph

horses, he's flying in Edgar's is to ride his horse.

That's not an accident. He obviously thinks he has

something here. The other one is a strike.

We've talked about a strike on this show because we did the

Maryland series he ended up going to Maryland who wins the

private terms with Lasix runs back.

In the Bluegrass, no Lasix finishes nine and a half

lengths, back in seventh place. The other Thompson, I think this

listen, this Thompson is a probably not as much upside as a

man, but he's probably more NBA ready right now.

So there you go, there he is. One college player taken in the

first five picks of the NBA draft.

Which is, which was going to happen.

So, So hey strike comes back in the Texas.

Derby last out by the way for people who want to know what we

just talked about, Asura Thompson just picked by the

Detroit Pistons, right? After his twin brother Eamonn

Thompson went to the Houston Rockets.

So there you go to try some better place to live in Houston.

All right, so the hey strike comes back, he wins last time

out in the Texas Derby. Guess what he gets, what Lasix,

Lasix. All right.

Guess the last time he won with that Lasix was yeah his main run

at Ellis Park. Okay, the Pea Patch?

Yeah so he's a very unknown for me without Lasix so too.

To me, he's not a winner here. The waiter to me is to Phil's.

If it's not him to be, it's Bishops Bay.

I would only play two horses here at most, I would play the

four and the three of you. So, what's your take a look?

Like, you're like, I don't have one yet, okay, that'll be up at

first gen sports.com, this weekend.

You can check that out on Saturday, should be real easy,

and I should point this out. We did like the beer money stuff

and we're doing some fundraisers.

You know, this is all spring, this is all free because people

helped us with the beer money stuff.

Yeah. It's now we have the website so

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Saturday and go ahead and check that out.

We are at this alone this weekend.

All right. There you go.

Well, I'm assuming Larry Reveille got hung up.

So I think they're either shipping in or yeah.

Whatever else or he's driving to Cleveland from Chicago or

something. Whatever what it is, what it is.

So we will effort in some other time, you know, we'll see what

we can do to get him back on maybe after he wins you harder,

be be nice if we can get him on so we'll try that again.

So thank It's you. Thanks to everyone for

listening. Make sure you check out first

JanSport Zach. Thanks as always for, you know,

for being there for us, we appreciate you.

Yeah. All right.

Well, I'm gonna sit here and watch the draft until pick 58

when Chris. Let me stick goes off the board.

Chris Livingston will go earlier than that.

That's my pig. I think it goes in the 40s.

Okay, yeah, I think, I don't think Oscar she way gets picked

on that. So, you know, the hood.

You know, case in wall is stuff. It'd be interesting to watch

this video because there's ever been that good.

I mean, my hair is excellent all the time.

So, you know, are you on alter? Thompson's level for hair?

Yes, yes. I want to be 100% clear.

Mike's hair is awesome. Now, if you can ever find it,

find House Hunters. Mike.

Oh, my hair was not awesome back then.

It was not awesome. That is true.

Yeah, I I didn't let my hair grow anywhere. 19 with your hair

like, were you dominating? No.

I here, I come. I had two choices, I didn't deal

with it at all. These curls and didn't want to

be able to it. So I've now 19 though, 18 or 19,

I had my hair in braids at one point.

Oh yeah. Jules met now, just like being

stupid one time like yeah, it was like a permanent thing is

like something I did for a day. So this Thompson got different

parents than the other one. No, I don't think that's right

either. Because brother.

Yeah, okay. Yeah.

I we're gonna pay the tab or any guy here.

We're gonna watch them in be a giraffe.

Are we gonna have NBA Draft coverage on the on the site

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