Keeneland Saturday | Ren Carothers

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As I mentioned, very, very glad to welcome in Red car others.

I don't know that you've actually been on this show, Ren,

but we have certainly hung out together.

And I was telling my colleague Mark Ennis, who does our 3:00

show, I was going to say you have hung out with him, I think

30s at this point. How are you?

Well, no, it it was just the one it was.

I'm happy to hop on again if they ever need, he said.

He's my insight. You know what's interesting?

He made it seem as though there was a lot of interaction here.

So I'm a little more. I just made a lot of I I made a

big impression. Obviously the Perryville and the

Raven run this weekend, but Ren wanted to kind of pick your

brain where you are at this point, you know, sort of in the

the the year have you is there a race that you got to see in

person that was outrageous this year?

A favorite horse you've seen a performance, anything like that?

Because I'll be honest, like I was at that Preakness this year

and the journalism run in the last, you know, as prolong, that

kind of thing stands out as one of those moments.

Have you had that moment this year?

I was. I was right there in one of the

owners boxes for sovereignty at the Kentucky Derby.

That was obviously a standout moment for sure.

I no, I mean, hey, I feel very blessed to do what I love.

And so I've been to a lot of the big dances again, the Kentucky

Derby, you know, we have Keelan right here 20 minutes away.

So you get a lot of the great racing out there and the Dubai

real Cup was outstanding. If you ever have an opportunity

to go, Oh my gosh, you have to. The emphasis on the love of the

course is profound and you come away just it's beyond the racing

itself, You're moved. OK, it's interesting you bring

this up. I want to have this conversation

now. I was with Carlos Morales last

week. Of.

Course we should and we were at Keeneland together and he

happened to be in town. Of course, that was the big in

all the grade ones and all the qualifiers for the Breeders Cup

and all that. And you know, ended up being

Torpedo Anna's last race and all those things.

But the with Carlos, he talked about the trip and I said, man,

I see you and I see other other people talking about those

trips, either for Saudi or for Dubai or whatever, and you all

just seem to love it so much. And what is it?

What is it about the thing? And he said, Louis, I have to

tell you, and it was what you said it was how it was almost

that it was purely a display of the horse, like it was just

about that. And and it and I at the time, I

remember thinking, is he being Pollyanna's?

But no, now you're backing it up.

So obviously it's very true. Well, you have to remember, I

mean you can't wager on the races there like you can hear,

right? And so it is a showcase of the

horse and the love of the horse. And you also have to remember

historically I I'm middle Easter on my dad side, my dad came from

Iraq. The culture there is so very

tied to the equine and in fact so much so.

For example, the Arabian horse, the root of the thoroughbred,

they meticulously would breed their horses and keep record of

their pedigrees. It was so very vital and

important to them. And so with the Thoroughbred,

it's no different. And it truly is a celebration of

that relationship between man and horse.

In fact, when they do the big show at the end of the event,

they have fireworks and drones, and they did this beautiful

display made-up of drones of the taming of the horse.

It was outrageously cool. I will say this, I talked with

Gary Palmisano from over at CDI the other day on my radio show

and we we talked about that expanded number of races on that

Middle Eastern route, Kentucky Derby.

And then I talked with Kate Hunter this morning for

something that'll come out on Monday.

Obviously KBK our our big liaison there in Japan for all

of us and, and she was very upfront about it.

She was like, this is just more races for our Japanese

counterparts as well to try to get over here for the Kentucky

Derby. And so it's almost as though

Dubai is this kind of world marketplace for horses that

might end up in North America as well, which is pretty exciting,

frankly. It is very exciting.

I mean, at the end of the day, what we're showcasing is the

fact that these horses are a common bond the world over.

Yeah, no, it's spectacular stuff.

Red and Crother's with us. You can find her FanDuel many

other places, the pedigreek Of course we will ask her and pick

a friend about a couple of two year old races.

On this stuff for you, yes. I'm not worried about you.

Yeah, that's exactly right. But let's go ahead and we'll

start. We're going to go through the

late pick 5 here, of course, on Saturday at Keeneland.

And so we'll start with the Perryville and I love I love

this race. I love the Raven Run Ren because

this is these are the horses that might just not be quite

ready for Breeders' Cup kind of competition, that sort of thing,

but still obviously very good. These fields are excellent for

both of the races. We even get like an Almond Joy

later on in the Raven Run. I love that they're taking a

shot with her. I love those kinds of stories.

So this is the kind of year where we get to showcase these

kinds of horses. But the Perryville will be

running at 7 furlongs at Keeneland on the dirt and

they're running for $350,000. It is a Grade 3 Ren, but where

did you land here? Baffert send in a couple.

Romans has an interesting runner.

I think the outside horse and Rolando if he fires could be a

factor as well. Feels like all six have a shot

here. Yeah, I mean, this is one of

those races where I wouldn't fault anybody for just punching

the all button, honestly, because you could make an

argument for every single horse I did.

Ultimately, I was vacillating between gaming and Barnes and I

ultimately landed on Barnes. And the reason being, I mean,

obviously there was a lot of expectation with this.

Of course, before he even made his debut, he cost, you know,

$3.2 million, right? And he went, he won his debut

and then he won the San Vicente after that and looked to be

poised to continue along that road of making it to the

winner's circle. But the San Felipe got beat

after trying to take him all the way, going the mile and 16 for

the first time, going the two turns.

And then the CNN needed to Derby.

I don't know what the explanation was for that,

honestly. But he was off from April to

August, comes back, puts up a nice triple digit figure in the

H Allen Jerkins Grade One race. He was beaten a length and a

half there. I don't think that he had the

best start that day. Got a bit bumped out of the

gate, doesn't say that in the comment line.

And then he was tied in between horses and then he had an angle

out behind horses off the turn, so he wasn't able to change his

lead straight away. And then in the gallant Bob,

yes, he was the heavy favorite. He should have beaten that

field. I get it.

But something to remember is not every horse takes the parks and

but he did not seem to get in gear straight away out of the

gate. I believe Tyler Gafflione said

something to that effect that he just was not getting into it and

then he had the kickback. Now think about it, right at the

half, he's 13 lengths back. He goes swinging so wide off the

turn, gets in a stretch, changes that lead and then somehow

brings the margin of the feet to three and three quarter lengths

after being that far out of it. I thought that was very

impressive. That was just at six furlongs.

I think back to seven now with plenty of underbelly, we can see

a performance more fitting a horse who's a you know.

It was a multi $1,000,000 purchase.

Yeah, no, it's a pretty remarkable thing about Barnes.

Obviously on that into mischief line.

If we're going into pedigrees with three-year olds still this

time of year. But no, but this this race sets

up really interestingly because, you know, I we had Brandon Walsh

on the show a couple weeks ago and he talked about you should,

but he talked about how, you know, he had a runner in the

cotillion and in the in the Derby there in Pennsylvania and

Gossgar didn't like the track and Kleco did, you know, like

it's just it parks is that kind of place And and and so I I'm

willing to draw a line through it as well for Barnes.

I did want to ask you about Rolando on the outside.

I love the Foster Gutierrez bringing this horse here.

Absolutely. We've seen so many horses, I

think in a in a bit of irony, come off well out of the dirt at

colonial of all things. And so because we think that

place is having a 7 mile wide turf course, Jason Beam and all

the folks there. But yeah, it just we're seeing

so many good performances come off the dirt there.

Do you think Tyler can get him going?

Oh absolutely. The only the only knock I would

say when you looked straight at the four without digging,

digging in is his. Yeah.

I mean, as far as Semi, yeah, the Lafayette, it was basically

his worst performance in his nine race career, but it could

have been an aberration. So because he was off, he was

off after that. Yeah, it was his seventh race in

the form cycle too, so I wonder if maybe it was just one too

many. Who knows?

Hard to know, but yeah, he was. He was so good there in the mile

at at Colonial before that, of course, in the Hutchins as well,

down the Gulf Stream. So I'm just wondering maybe if

he's due for a better performance there.

What do you make of Captain Cook being six to five?

Were you surprised by that number?

I think it's too short. I do think it's too short, but I

will say that obviously he jumped up big time with, you

know, moving to Todd's barn and having the blinkers taken off.

Sometimes that does get a horse into a more competitive mindset

when they can eyeball the competition better and not, you

know, be laser focused on just what the the they can see.

But I mean, six to five, again, it's just too short, especially

in a field where you could go any which way.

I mean, you look at, for example, gaming on the cutback.

I really like that for him. He's, you know, he won both his

Sprint starts. Those are the first two starts

of his career. Then he was in the one turn mile

at Churchill Downs, but it's a mile and it was sloppy and he

didn't have a good start there. So that's a horse that really

intrigues me on the cutback. Taylor's version as you

mentioned before, Dale Roman's Into Mischief.

Taylor S. Taylor S is 1/2 sister to Not

This Time and oh who who else? Liam's map?

Who set the dirt record there at Keeneland when he won the Mile

the British Cup? Well, if you take Taylor's

versions turf race out of her resume, out of his resume,

excuse me, that's that's a serious horse in this field.

No, I yeah, definitely. I mean, I think we're going to

see a pretty contested pace. I mean, Owen, this is a horse

who showed a lot of class. He's been.

That's the horse you saw at Tampa quite a bit in the spring.

And I think one that really confused Brian Lynch, who told

us about the Fat Day mile before the Derby.

And then he runs fifth in the freaking Derby.

And so yeah, he's just, he's a confusing horse, but he does a

little bit of everything. I think 7 though is probably his

distance. Yeah, yeah.

And I mean, I don't know what what the whole deal was there

with, you know, the studying what not being some.

I mean, obviously you can overlook that.

I will say as we go forward and talk about other races in the

card, I just want you to take note of his October 4th work.

Just commit that to memory real quickly and then we'll talk

about that later. OK, on October 4th he worked at

Churchill over 5 furlongs. Basco second fastest workout, 59

and one. We'll get back to that though, I

promise later on. Keeneland race 7 is up next

start of the late pick four there it is a maiden special.

We're going 6 furlongs on the dirt.

This is for two year old Phillies.

And this is one of the reasons you want to have Ren on your

show was to talk about the runners in this kind of race.

Ren, I'd ask a question, but I think I need to just get out of

the way. Well, actually, I'll get right

into why I made you commit his work to memory right now.

OK, Look at the look at the number one slay the day.

OK, who? Who are the connections?

Flying Dutchman, I know those folks for sure, but it's into

mischief. We got to tap it on the damn

side. But and and trained by Bryan

Lynch. OK, same connections as Owen,

right? Hey.

Yes. Go go back now to her October

4th work. Just what do you notice?

Just a little bit faster than Owen Almighty.

It's got a little black dot next to it.

So not that it necessarily means anything.

I'm not even a really I'm not really big on works with the

with the with the 2 year olds. I use them semi as a as a guide.

But you know, works are so orchestrated and in the morning

that you don't know if the trainer told his exercise

riders, hey, sit off today. I want you to do this.

And you just don't know what the whole plan was.

That being said, yeah, so same barn, same ownership.

She went 59 flat, he went 59 and 1.

So you would have to figure they were working together or at

least closely. So I just find that a little

interesting. I will say the pause for concern

with her is that she's buying into Mischief $250,000 stud fee.

She went for 170,000. That being said, she was

purchased by the Flying Dutchman, that's Hunter Rankin.

He's not going to buy a horse for six figures, even if it's

less than a stud fee unless there's, you know, something

there he likes. The mom is 1/2 sister to a horse

named Miss Mischief, who was a Sovereign Champion female

sprinter by into Mischief. So we, you know, obviously the

female family works well with him, although he works well with

everybody, right? And the family also includes

JP's Gusto, who was an excellent 2 year old and Latrusca.

So it's a very nice pedigree. She's sitting there at six to

one. I can give you better even or

even more horses at better prices too.

Because with this race, I, it's one of those situations where I

kind of wish like I, I'm, I'm actually going to be heading to

Brendan's barn tomorrow to do some Breeders' Cup stuff.

I kind of want to pick his brain about his horse that he's got in

here too because I'm looking at this and for a horizontal

sequence, I can narrow it down to like 4 horse, but it's a 12

horse field, so it's not that bad, right?

But I'm looking at also at a big price, the number.

Let's see here. Well, first, first I'll go to a

more obvious horse, the four glow of a rose for Wesley Ward.

I mean, it's Wesley Ward, right? And I, and in this case, I do

love, I do love that she's coming in off 4 stamina

building, 5 furlong drills. And the last one was, you know,

nice and sharp Bacoma. I mean, Vacoma's been

outstanding. I mean, 24% with his two year

old's debuting, right? And then she's out of a mare

named Pink Twist and she was a debut winner and a half sister

to multiple stakes in her Australlinka.

So it's a very nice pedigree. You've got tons to like about

her. And then at a better price, the

seven music burst 15 to 1. This one's got Johnny V on.

OK Johnny rides a lot for Wesley, you know?

And so it's like, oh, OK, well, now he's on Rusty Arnold's horse

here. Mcclain's Music.

We know those horses can run first out at a cloud, first by

Storm Cat. Like Storm Cat.

It's right there right now. She's had three siblings who

were first out winners. She's a full sister to a horse

named Mystic Eyes. He was a stakes winner.

It was on turf. Mom is 1/2 to champion 2 year

old Boston Harbor. OK.

And the family includes one of the fastest horses we've ever

seen and groovy, so very nice pedigree there.

Johnny BS been riding lights out.

And by the way, a thing that's changed since I really started

to dive into this in the last half decade or so, Rusty Arnold

wins on debut much more than he did five years ago.

That is something that's really picked up.

No, I completely agree. Yeah, Don't.

Don't, don't, not. Presumptuous.

I'm excited about this one. That was what I know you.

Know one? You want.

I want to ask him about this. Now here's the thing, I went

back and I looked and does look like she was working out on the

same days as Bella Bella Arena, but much slower, much slower

than Bella Balla Arena. So I don't know what to make of

that. She is by into mischief.

She's out of emboldened by elusive quality.

The mom was the stakes winner, grade one place, the great

granny champion Agena and the family includes quality Rd. and

what I like about this also is the moms by elusive quality,

quality roads by elusive quality.

I kind of like that they tied that in and it's like a dolphin

homebred. So there's plenty to like there

as well. So if I'm playing the pick five,

I'm going 4 deep in this race. OK, so that would be 10/7.

Ten, 47104 I'm sorry, 14710, I was going backward.

That would be a really bad thing to leave in bowling 14710 split.

That would be terrible. Don't do.

That I know you. Understand.

Don't do that. All right, OK, no, but.

I haven't been. I, you know, I, I like my

friends and I in high school, we used to take one day a week and

we'd go to the bowling alley and just have fun.

When I was in college they had all you could bowl on Fridays in

the summer for like 8 bucks and my friend Paul and I would go

and we would just bowl for like 5 hours.

It was. By the end of that, by the end

of that, how many people, how many people weren't letting go

of the ball and like going down the the lane with it?

The. Shoulder is just it's dislocated

by the end of that Oh yeah, it's not good at all for sure talking

with red car others. My name is Louis Ribow.

This is the horse racing happy hour.

We are into the late pick three now.

It starts in race eight, $140,000 on the line and in a

non 3 allowance because that's what we do in Kentucky, a mile

and 16th on the turf there. Again, for non 3 lifers here,

little bit more of a straight up race.

Are you surprised to see this? Is Uskar on the turf here?

No, not at all. Actually.

I I, I mean this. Yeah, I'm 3 deep in this race.

I'm going 3711 here. This is Uskar.

He only got on the turf one time and it's hard to know what to

make of it. It was 5 1/2 for a long, so it

was the William Walker Stakes. He was drawn to the far outside.

He showed a little pressing speed for basically spitting the

bit, folding out. It was his first place without

Lasix. He's since proven that he can

run without it. So again, hard to know what

exactly to make of that performance.

That being said, he's he's turf top and bottom pedigree wise.

I mean, he's by Oscar performance by champion

grasshorse kitten Joy. He's got a journey on by Good

Journey. Good Journey is a son of Murray

Eve and so I, you know, you look at it and I I just think that

this horse has been up against such great competition on the

dirt that if he truly is a turf horse and has been all this

time, he could certainly move up.

And the other thing I would say he also, if I were going back to

the William Walker, I'd I would have to re watch that replay,

but I think he could have finished better that day had he

not gotten side side swiped in the stretch.

I think the 13 1/2 lengths back in 11th is a little deceiving

because at that point, once he did get hit, yeah, I mean, you

just stop riding at that point. So I think he makes a lot of

sense. I like Siege of Boston and I

like the 9/11 turbo. And if I was forced to just

single out one, it would be 911 turbo.

OK. So we've seen those Kentucky

Downs horses run very well at Keeneland.

Frankly, the Jessamine was essentially all Kentucky Downs

horses, for example, and I've wondered this out loud.

Did you get to Kentucky Downs this year by chance?

Friend, I did, and I love it so much.

Yeah, I was there the first weekend.

So the course itself in previous years.

Come on, you got to say it, Louis.

It looked like you were out in the middle of nowhere.

Yeah, I'm not talking about undulations, Matthew.

Good. I don't need to do these things,

but the but no, but I feel like with the, I feel like with the

irrigation system, horses come out, I don't want to say better,

but they come out less worn out, if you will, after a trip to

Kentucky Downs and now all they have to worry about are those.

Regulations and different things that you did much better than I

just did you find do you do you agree with that?

Do you do you look at Kentucky Down sources a little bit

differently coming out of the races this year?

Because I absolutely do. I'll have to admit I haven't put

as much thought to it as you have I I really but but that

being said, you, you know that the quality of horse coming out

of those races has to be pretty good given the fact that to get

in those races, it's very tough and the purses are amazing.

So you really have to have the right horse.

So I think it just speaks to the quality competition that had to

Kentucky Downs. Also on top of it, and this is a

horse with, I mean, you got to love an old stalwart like him.

He's 8 years old and he's still running in fine form.

I mean, he's coming out of that race at Kentucky Downs, the

optional 100 there where he lost to Cuatro Cinco and Cuatro

Cinco. He went on to get beat 3 lengths

by rhetorical in the Grade 1 Coolmore Turf Mile in his next

start. I I think that also with 9/11

turbo, he had to navigate traffic a bit that day.

I like how he comes on and he's got, as you, you know, can see

there a ton of back class just and he also has a nice record

there at Keeneland specifically as well.

He's running the money on both of his starts there.

So if I had to pick one, it would be him.

But I mean, you could, I'm sorry, go ahead.

No, you're good. I do a show about California

racing every Friday and 9/11 Turbo is one of those horses we

talked about especially ahead of the Wicker at Del Mar, which is

the. First off of layoff.

Boom. It was First off layoff.

And frankly, if that's a mile and a 16th, he probably wins it.

I mean, frankly, he was flying at the end.

So if he gets back to the next. Yeah.

Yeah. If he gets back to that form,

which by the way was a $40,000 less purse, of course, that he's

going to be running for. Nice reminder though that that

frankly with these races, when we're talking about a class

level in allowances that frankly we probably historically haven't

seen. I know, yeah.

And and that's the thing. It's like when you're when

you're looking at these races, you're like, oh, this horse is

coming out great at states competition or has been in and

you know, or this horse did this, it's still OK.

Well, you're going for this first money now and you're yeah,

everything is relative and there's just so many variables.

I mean, Siege of Boston, for example, he's another horse I

really like. He's another horse that's going

to like come with a kick, right. And you know the thing with this

horse, the winner of his last race, Raptors siege, he was next

8th in the Canadian international, but it was the

Canadian international. This is a grade one, right?

He got beat a length there. I I I think he's a really nice

horse. I like the, you know, culling

out for the mile back now to a mile and the 16th for him.

But that's the basically the way I saw it.

I mean, I could totally be wrong.

I mean, lots of horses look tough, degree of risk looks

tough. Yeah, I think I the moved Irad

is going to be really good for Siege of Boston.

Can you can we talk about Theisman, the one horse here?

Yeah, we can talk about Theisman.

I told you that I just like that horse because of the the form

since the move deterred. I thought you just like the

name. Oh, well, that's he was Thiesman

before he got to college, but they wanted it to rhyme with

Heisman. We've heard the story.

We get it. The but no, but just the fact

that he's been winning since he got to the turf.

I get Luis Saez like it's 6 to 1.

I that's that's pretty attractive to me.

And that it makes so much sense to me.

Here you've got, I mean, he's out of an English Channel mayor.

So it is pretty funny that he only got the move to turf here

in the summer, right? He's 5.

It's like, you know, but. I noticed to handicap the race

on Saturday, not to worry about what happened two years ago.

But yes, I agree with you for. Sure.

But I mean, yeah, I know he's coming on that optional 80 and

2X at Churchill. He sat just off the pace there

and I believe there have been, there was been a next out

winner. English Tunnel came back to win

an allowance at Keeneland. Put up, if you're a buyer's

person, put up an 87 buyer in an allowance out here in Lexington

on October 8th. So there, the form is there for

sure. This is going to be a much

tougher field I think to test him.

But yeah, I think that horse could make sense for sure for

Peter Orton. What about toward the outside,

the 9 horse genius Jimmy in this spot?

John Velasquez get some outs from Michael McCarthy.

If we draw a line through Kentucky Downs.

This was a really good runner on the West Coast.

Yeah, no, I I agree. And he's got speed, which is

kind of scary because Johnny knows how to nurse it along,

right. So whatever happened there at

Kentucky Downs, you know, not getting the lead, I think like

you said, you draw a line through that race and you just

go ahead and you look at that pass form, that pass speed and

he looks like he could very well be poised to do something.

Now there is I think some other horses in here who could go with

him, put a little pressure on another horse I thought was very

interesting. At a bit of a nice price is the

number six horse Green Light. And I mean, that's another horse

that was running at Kentucky Downs and it's coming out of

that same 9/11 turbo race, which is 1 by Quattro Cinco.

But you know, he had one at Keeneland before back last

October, so and against Allowance Company.

So he he's a horse. That makes a lot of sense for

Rudolf Resay. I'm sure people point to the

stakes racing at Keeneland as why they like Keeneland.

This race is why I like Keeneland.

Yeah. Oh, and he loves the distance

too, by the way. That's true, but This is why I

love Keeneland is is races like this where you get 1011 turf

forces and you're like that one could win that one could win

that one could win. This is why Keeneland is

awesome. Red Carther's lawyer Beau

hanging out with you on the horse racing happy hour.

The Raven Run, The Grade 2 is in race 9 on Saturday and we got a

fun one here. 7 furlongs on the dirt.

They are running for $400,000 Ren.

Unlike tennis, the women get more money for the race on

Saturday. How about that?

That's that's very well, yes, because this is the Grade 2 as

opposed to boys. Hard right?

It's a great, that's right. We see some names in here that

we saw as potential stars in the spring and are trying something

different, you know, vodka with A twist, quiet side, etcetera.

When you look at a race like this right now, are you looking

for someone who was a star in the spring, or are you looking

for current? Form, well, I I mean it, it's

all, it all depends on the horse specifically.

Like, I know, for example, Vixen's getting on the main

track for the first time. My only thing with her is that,

yes, you're by Bacoma, but then you're out of a noble mission

mayor, which makes me feel like I don't know, maybe, maybe not.

I you know, this is a very tough race.

It honestly, when I do say that too, I, I I looked at and looked

at and looked at and like, ultimately, as far as like a top

pick, it's I was just like, this is one of those situations where

I do feel like Ragtime is a deserving favorite.

And I think 3 to 1 is fair on her.

This is, yeah, this is a horse who's a neck shy of being

undefeated for, you know, and four starts, four wins almost.

And that was in the grade one test to kill win and she was

wide, right. So if I, if I was pressed to

pick one horse, it would be her. I look at this and I there's so

many questions for some of these horses, like Usha, for example,

for Bob Baffert, she costs $600,000 at Obs April last year.

And when she started, I mean, she had three chances to break

the maiden, could not get it done.

She had a race with John Terranova 2nd and that was

against statewide competition, New York.

And then she gets time off, maybe time to develop.

I don't know if it was a physical thing or a mental

thing, but she comes back and she's she's living up to a big

price tag. And so it makes you wonder, even

though she just has a main special way to her credit, and

then that optional 50 and 1X, she destroyed those fields.

And it makes you think, Oh, my gosh.

I mean, yeah, it it it's very interesting.

The other question I would have though, is both those races were

also with Lasix. She's running without Lasix this

time, so I don't know what. Yeah.

I wonder if she's horse. I agree but her works have been

baffords training her like she's one of his top horses.

If you look at the look at the training line, she looks.

So if you watch it, she's visually impressive too in those

wins. It's not just about that margin.

I mean, she's just going and out there dominating like, hey, and

I would think she's going to love getting this extra half

furlong on top of it, especially being out of Leroy De Santo

moment. So she's of course, I find very

interesting quiet side. It's exciting to see her coming

back. I mean, her only bad race really

was the Kentucky Oaks and she did show something before

folding out of competition that afternoon.

Big fan of John Ortizi, super, super with making sure his

horses are happy and healthy and coming into the race at the

right time. And she's one of those horses

who can stay close but still stay on.

So she's certainly a horse to keep your eye on and on the

cutback too. I mean, she's done well on the

Sprint. I mean, her debut was a Sprint,

but then they're simply joking. And this is a horse lightly race

and I really love the cutback for her, really love it for her.

So I actually, I went if you know, I, I'm I'm looking at if

there is an upset, if I'm going to use one other horse, it's

probably simply joking. Totally, totally.

Yes. Well, what I like too, if you go

to back and works OK. So this was the quiet side.

For example 2 back on October 4th at Keeneland 47 and change

from the gate. Which means she had to get out

of the gate to do all that work. I love that kind of number.

Look at those bleeping works at Santa on the Universe.

Simply joking. Obviously made the move from the

the the from Wits barns out to Michael McCarthy's barn.

But that one's a fascinating 1. I could not agree with you more

about the cutback and distance. I liked her on Oak's day rent.

I was wrong, but I liked her on Oak Day because I thought with

the wet go she might just get the lead and keep it right

because she was going to try to go to the front.

She never got the lead. It just didn't work out that

way. Obviously in good cheer at that

point. I mean, who knows, Thorpito Anna

might not have beaten her at that point.

But the, you know, just I love the cutback.

I think that this makes a lot of sense for it.

I think the conditions will play up to it too.

Oh, absolutely. And I know I think that we'll

get a nice price on her on top of it still because people are

going to go, oh, Michael, first time for Michael McCarthy.

Well, what is his stats first time out?

And then you know, these are all things I don't care about.

I look at every horse individually.

I don't care necessarily. I mean, I might look at a little

bit like I know earlier I mentioned, but you know, first

out stats for certain trainers and one.

But generally speaking, I do look like at horses and case by

case basis. And yeah, if you look at she won

that debut going 6 furlongs at the fairgrounds against stakes

company. They debuted her against stakes

company, not a main main special weight.

And then she won the silver bullet day in the slop going two

turns and then was beaten just three quarters like by quiet

side in the grade 2 fantasy that's going a mile on the 16th

and she still was digging in there.

I think on this cut back to the one term she's I love everybody.

I hate every everything, but I I take her over quiet time.

So and then again, as you mentioned, the the Kentucky Oaks

situation, but she's rested. And as you already pointed out,

that work tab is lit. Yes, it's fantastic.

What do you make of vodka with A twist here?

I love the spot for her. She comes out of the TCA against

older horses. Doesn't have to do that here.

What do you make of her? 1010 to 1.

Especially goodness. You, you just said it.

She's coming out of the TCA against older horses.

That was on October 4th. Now listen, I mean we see it all

the time, horses running back on, you know like 2 weeks, you

know, you know, in Tampa, whatever the steaks company you

generally don't see right that grated.

Steak outs, unless it's Kentucky, doesn't lose money and

those. Things right?

Yes, yes, I wanted, you know, I watched that race back.

I wanted to see, OK, well, do they feel like she didn't really

get to run that day? And I mean, she was game.

I know she's 4th, but it's all relative to the beaten length.

She was 2 1/4 lengths beaten by Praying You had Vava and Second

Sight lost in 3rd. This was a very tough feel.

I mean, of older mares. That being said, it makes you

think, you know, that was not an easy race.

Is she ready to wheel back around and now face this group?

Because this is not an easy group either.

Again, I do think Ragtime's legit.

If you don't single her, I feel like you go too deep and you use

the 8 to one shot. Simply joking, but I you know

it, it's really tough. It's really tough.

You can make a case again for a lot of horses, but you have to

at some point have an opinion and just say that's it because

oh. That's exactly right.

I love vodka with A twist and the Leslie's Lady.

And I think people if they forget the Charles Town Oaks is

actually two turns because of the layout of their track there.

So if you want to draw a line through that as well, you could

because she had to lead in that race very near the end.

And so if you know, I think if that's a one turn race, she

probably wins up there at Trucktown, gets that grade 2 and

is talking about. Her.

Talking about her a little bit differently, I can say that

because I'm I'm friends with Paul, I can do that.

That's we go on to the finale. If you thought you heard

pedigree talk already, you certainly haven't a maiden

special. Here we go to the turf for this

one. Go to a mile lead of $110,000 on

the line. 2 year old fillies in this one.

Ren, you again. This is why I love Keeneland,

and I hope This is why you love Keeneland.

It is and I, I will tell you though, this was the race where

I'm like, I'm going to stand ground and have a single.

Let's go who you got? The one patrolling silver for

Kenny Mcpeak, Dixie Anna Farms, Jose Ortiz aboard.

Check the the tab on this filly. She she's worked pretty fast and

she does not like generally when I look at a horse and I'm like,

OK, well, pedigree is straight up turf and then I see them

working really quickly on dirt. It catches my attention.

As I said, I'm not a big worksperson, but that is one of

my angles. When you see a turf horse with

strong dirt works, What are they going to do when they get on the

surface their month to be on and in this case, she's by war will

I know he was surface flexible at a * silver by Alda Baron.

Now here's the deal with with with why I'm just like, OK, I'm

done. The mom is 1/2 sister of

freaking winter memories, which means the second which which

which then means the second dam is memories of Silver.

Forget it. Done, we're done.

We're done right there, Patron Silver.

Can we have a war of will discussion?

Yeah. OK, so 2019 Preakness winter.

Of course, I only know that number because I was there.

But then he comes back, he wins the Maker's Mark.

Mile I that is, that's as good a turn around as I can remember of

anyone doing 2 services. Can he become?

I wanted to ask you and I know it's hard to project these

things out with sires especially.

And I, and I don't want to call him like a poor man's version,

but a version of like a candy ride where it's kind of like, we

don't quite know what the progeny you're going to do, but

we can figure it out as they go. You know, I, I think that I

think that's fair. He's just, I just saw the

announcement that he's being moved, I believe, to New York.

But that makes that I mean, he's just he's a cool horse.

And again, that surface surface dynamic that he has where they

do flex. I mean, war of Will he he's how

do I say he had class as you, as we've already gone over, whether

it was in the Preakness or as you know, you just describing

there at Keeneland on the turf. But he is the son of Warfront

and Warfront was a dirt horse himself, but he obviously had a

lot of international success with the you're right.

So you do have to factor all of that into play when you when you

look at a horse like him. But I, I mean, I still think of

turf first and foremost, because you have to remember war of Will

is out of visions of clarity by Sadler's Wells.

And he's got one of the most classy, beautiful, rich,

prolific pedigrees you could ever hope to have.

And then when you do think about, and this is, this is

that's one of the reasons why also I, I do have to like kind

of go OK with my excitement because as you mentioned,

warwheel flexible Alda Baron, he was good on both surfaces as

well because he's the son of Mr. Prospector.

But then he's at a chimes of freedom.

So it's like you have duality. And I'm just hoping that she

does lean turf. So those fast works on the dirt

mean that she's going to move up even more.

That's what I'm hoping. Well, there you.

Go or. Doug.

I do have notes on other horses if you want, but like Emmy

treasure times for Sophie, Sophie, Jack, Saffie, Joseph,

there we go. I wanted to ask you about that

horse breaking from the 2 hole here.

Tyler gets them out. Yeah, I have to Dilder, who is

great to place on dirt. The family includes Opulent

Restraint though, who we just saw run really well at

Keeneland. And then you've got significant

form in the pedigree. Hey Dakota, Cairo Memories.

There's also Xanon, who's a dirt horse in that pedigree.

But yeah, it's one of those ones that flexes for sure.

Another horse I have some pedigree notes on that I thought

was interesting was the 6th Fire Fire for Ben Colebrook, daughter

of authentic out of Kindle by Indian Charlie Kindle was a

stakes winner. She was multiple greatest stakes

place and a half to two stakes winners.

The mom include, Oh, I'm sorry, you know, Fire rather fires 1/2

to two stakes winners and those include Palasi, who won the

Texas Turf Mile and was second in the grade 3 Transylvania and

the family also includes French champion 2 year old Philly play

it safe. So I think that's a horse at a

very big price who could certainly show up and you know,

that was beyond that. Those those were the three

horses that took my notice. But if I have to think

somewhere, I'm going to single with with with my sweet winter

memories and memories of silver pedigree because I'm that winter

memories. The first timer first, she was

sweet. She snuggled me.

She snuggled me. Little snuggle talk on a on a

horse racing happy hour Thursday.

There you go All right, Ren. Well, I need you to do something

real quick for me. I've been hosting a show every

Friday with our mutual friend of ours, Barry Spears, and I am

flying Barry up here to do a Breeders' Cup seminar and then

we are spending four days together at Del Mar.

Will you? Be a Breeders' Cup this year to

give us a high 5. I would I am not, however I have

the little one in school all. Right.

In Halloween it. Takes yes, right.

Well, no, it's not so much that it's the the problem.

The problem is that school obviously takes up a lot of, you

know, responsibility, time, right?

And so it's just hard. And it being five hours removed

from her on the other side of the country, you know, it's one

of those things. But Breeders Cup's awesome.

I'm still putting out Breeders' Cup content.

We've got a new video up with Todd Pletcher.

That was, I'm actually semi news.

I interviewed him right after, after Ted Nafi won the Clayburn

Breeders fraternity. Yeah, Ted Nafi.

I mean, it's so great. I love it.

But and then I've got more interviews.

I'm going to be gathering the amazing editor.

Cameraman extraordinaire Ernie Munich is going to be editing

all this stuff. And so so we we're getting that

done. I did want to shout out

Railbirds by the way, because I we talked about Perryville with

rail birds too, which will be out and then we got Tampa coming

up in soon too in November. How many days in November do you

guys run? In November itself, I'd have to

count for you. But All in all, I think it's

9090 day me. It's going to be our 100th.

How about that? I know.

Oh, you know what? By the way, I Yeah, 100th so

there's. There's I've seen the gear.

Yeah, I'm, I'm waiting on my hat.

It's all good. Keep going.

You have to shout out Margo. Margo.

He needs a hat. Beam and I are also working on

getting hats made that just say the Sam for the Sam F Davis.

Sam and then the F and then Davis.

No, just the Sam. That's it.

Just the Sam. That's it.

That's all we want. Just get us the hats.

Make it. Is it Margo?

Was that the person? Yeah, Margo, get it done.

I needed the Sam hat. There you go.

All right. Well, she's been through

brothers at red car others on on the socials.

You can go find her there and she's working on a ton of stuff

and she's an absolute must follow ahead of the Breeders

Cup, especially for that Breeders' Cup Friday.

Ren, really appreciate you jumping on.

Let's not let's not wait too long to do this again.

There you go Red car others. We appreciate her jumping on the

program here today. This has been the horse racing

happy hour. Reminder, our Breeders' Cup

seminar will be at Martini Italian Bistro here in

Louisville in just a couple of days, October 28th.

Barry will be in town for that one.

So if you want to come by and say hi to us, you got to call

Martini louisville.com. It's 30 bucks Get dinner, Mr.

Berman, we'll call it Joe. I'm we were both Thanks, Red

Carters for joining us today. We'll be back next week.

We hope you are too. Have a great day.