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Live from Churchill Downs for Kentucky Derby 150, it's the

horse racing happy hour on ESPN 680 and 105.7.

Here are your hosts Louie, Rebeau and Mike and Alfo all.

Right. Welcome back in horse racing.

Happy hour here live section 322 Churchill Downs on Kentucky

Derby. 150 day. Here with you want to thank our

sponsors and we will talk to him at 12:30.

Doctor Chet Mays, Mays Plastic Surgery and Mets.

Make sure you get in with him. New location on Exley where the

old Havana Rumble used to be down the street from the old

Sears building. Look how I did.

That you're killing him man at. Doctor Chad Mays on all of the

socials. That's really how he gets all

the stuff out. Like I said, he's going to call

us at 12:30, so make sure you get in on that.

But we are look. Well, let me.

I mean why? Don't you do the intro here?

Because honestly, like, I'm not here.

No question. Neither of us are here if he's.

Not for this. Yeah.

You're not here if it's not for me.

And this is the last Derby covered by you're this is a this

is a backside celebrity. This is a walking encyclopedia

for horse racing. This is a guy who knows more

about this face in this track. The go anyone that I've ever met

that's still alive. I guess Billy Reid would

probably be in the in the. Billy Reid of that conversation,

for sure. But there's Billy Reid, and

there's EJ Clark. And EJ carrying things on one of

on the Big X. Big X.

There's a lot of crossover that and and EJ man, I'm just so

proud to have you on our show and just have you and.

I'm proud to be on your show, too.

I really am you. You know, you guys are special

to me because we we brought something.

I'm still proud of what we were able to do.

I'm still proud of the fact that we could have a combination

between ESPN Louisville and Big X Sports Radio and put together

2 hours of recap the live oaks and the live Derby post race

interviews and sit there and give some great information and

have fun. Had a lot of fun and and really

like but. I don't think we won as much

money as Louie 'cause, as I recall, Louie was was really

having the better days there. It's going OK?

Yeah. It's going OK.

Yeah. Yeah.

Well, EJ Clark is with us, man. I just really, really pleased to

have him in here every from getting you on the air the first

time to writing a letter so that we could be members of the Turf

Raiders together. Oh yeah, We're both part of the

Turf Raiders Association, That's right.

Because of because of EJ. And I mean, it's really, you've

taught me so much, man. You've taught me so much and

you've been a mentor. Well, you know what?

I I, I don't know if I taught you, maybe you could pick up on

a few of the things, but you came on board knowing a lot.

I mean, you really did and you really had it a lot and so did

Louie. And what we wanted to do is we

we wanted to to make that coming down the stretch here, we'll

we'll wait on. That go, Yeah, coming.

The Knicks go overnight stakes. The seven's going to come up and

pick up the pieces here. Maybe it's going to be a good

finish. Oh, what's?

All there re rally 5 to one. Oh, right on the wire one.

Hole. Actually, EJ, you don't see that

very often. 1/7. The one answered the call,

though strong. Quality.

There you go. Fourth horse in our

handicapping. Yeah, I did not have that one on

top for sure there. You go.

There you go. We were talking about how that

was one of the more difficult races to figure out what more

competitive ones today. And we got the, hey 61 price

will take, 5 to 1 price we'll take.

It Yeah, love it. There is strong quality with the

win there in the Knicks. Go over right First takes.

Race of the day What? What does this two days of races

mean to you? Well, it always means a lot

because you know the Kentucky Derby, not only the tradition of

the Derby and the Oaks, but the Kentucky Derby has.

Not only you've seen all the changes in three decades for me

of how the undercard has gotten better and better with the

quality of racing, what you've seen is trainers go from people

like Brad Cox today to Todd Fletcher in a few years and you

can see them develop. I was able to be there at the

beginning of Bob Baffert's run in 1997 with Silver Charm.

Walk over with silver Charm, recorded the crowd.

I'll never forget we got got around the first turn and

they're going go, California, go.

Silver go. This go that I mean.

These are the kind of memories that you cherish.

These are the kind of memories. There's so many more.

I was fortunate enough to work 6 Dawn at the Downs and I ran the

last Derby mini marathon in 93 and start 90.

Yeah, 93 and started in 94 and did that for six years.

And did the Breeders Cup right here at Churchill Downs when

they had special editions of Dawn at the Down.

To see my first Breeders' Cup race here when they held it the

first time in 1988 in the rain. And really I didn't know much

that year. I was learning the game, but I

hung in there the whole day. And I tell you what is the most

gratifying, The most gratifying is to see you, Mike and you,

Louis, and people like Lane Gold and people like Caleb Keller and

Justin, our producer, Come along and take this because you guys

and I'm getting a little sentimental here.

I'm getting a little corny, but that's what my kids call me

corny dad sometime. So you guys are carrying the

torch, you guys are carrying it with live broadcast and podcast

and you, you are the guys that going to take this forward?

You know, you know, Mike and I are are really lucky because

with the happy hour, we've been able to make friends all over

the country. One of our favorite things about

horse racing, exactly, is how it's different in San Diego than

it is in Miami, than it is in New Orleans, than it is here

that it is in Indianapolis, right?

All these sorts of things. And you know what?

I have friends in Southern California who do this and

they're about to retire and the the state of the sport is not

good for. Them.

No, it's not good. But EJ, you are.

You're retiring at a time when the circuit's never been better

here. You've got this place really

doing what it should have been doing for a long time with the

purses, with the field sizes, with those things.

You've got Keeneland. That's always going to be

Keeneland, right? You've got the P patch, but even

the P patch is a little nicer. We get the renovation at Turfway

and then we get that weird thing in the middle with Kentucky

Downs, right? We get that five track circuit

here. You get to retire and sit on the

couch and watch these races and go this circuit's great, It's

going to be great. That's got to feel really good,

too. It does feel really good.

And let's go back in time. Let's go back in time to the

Gulfstream parks and the fairgrounds, one of Churchill's

tracks who had the casinos and they they had the benefit of

gambling. Oak lawns done very well.

But what is health? Kentucky racing, historical

horse racing. And we didn't have the casinos,

but we we've had historical horse racing to give us the

impetus to have the greatest and the best first races in the

country. You know, I talk all the time

about it with, with, with anybody who will listen.

But the thing that Kentucky gets that, say, Southern California

doesn't, this isn't a sport, just that you show up on

Saturday. This is an industry.

This is a lifestyle. We, you know, I made the joke

several times on our show during the week.

When you walk inside the walls of Churchill Downs, you're

walking into a new city. Just tons of people, tons of

different jobs, all from all parts of the world, all kinds of

different jobs. Really.

Fascinating. It is, Louis, You're right about

the new city part. But for me also, I feel the

history. If I don't, if I don't go over

to the Derby museum and watch that Derby presentation and get

goosebumps or come out a little teary eyed, something's wrong.

I like to walk still on the bricks because I remember how

far this racetrack has grown and everything they've done has been

fabulous. That first turn last year?

Absolutely great. But you talk about the thing,

and I have to agree with what Darren Rodgers said when he took

us on the media tour. This favorite thing that changed

the game was that big jumbo. This paddock has changed the

game and put Churchill Downs on a level.

Nobody else is on this level with a paddock and the way

they've improved it and the experience.

And really, you know, for Kentucky, it's horse racing,

it's bourbon, and what's that about?

It's about the experience of these people who come to

Louisville and to Lexington and all these other places.

And I'll take my check from the Chamber of Commerce on Monday.

The Commissioner of Agriculture is.

Going to be coming on 1:00. You guys know what I'm talking

about, you know? And there's and looking forward

in the sport. OK.

So if you, if you were forecasting forward, something I

always say is just get people in the door, Just get people in

door. Who cares if they're here for

fashion? Who cares if they're here for

that bourbon? Just get them in the door

because there's a chance they'll fall in love with the horses

too, right. And do you think, do you think

the emphasis on the event is a good move in horse racing?

Because, look, it's not the 70s anymore.

It's not that Breeders' Cup of the 80s that you talked about,

where Wednesday guys are just cutting out at noon at work and

coming over here to catch the early pick five or something and

having three martinis or something.

Those days aren't happening anymore.

People are betting on their phones, they're at home, but

they show up for these events. Is that an OK turn in horse

racing? Yeah, I think it is.

I think we have to get them in. Hey, listen, guys, I started way

back when. I won't tell you the year.

I started out there with the mud, the blood and the beer and

having a ball and not seeing too many horses.

But it was a party out there when there was very few things

out there and it was is pretty much wide open.

I wasn't, I wasn't a horse racing expert.

I I always wanted to come to the Kentucky Derby and my first one

was actually my third year in the Air Force when I was home on

leave and I spent the winter on Guam and I was ready to come

home and and have a party. The party aspect, whether it's

in the infield or whether it's in a fine box or a great day,

that's got to get them in the door.

And after that it's up to track management.

It's up to a quality racing programs.

It's it's it's up to other elements to make sure that those

people come back, have a great experience and want to learn

more about horse racing. And I think we're getting better

and better. You know, we've gotten better

and better over the years with safety.

We've been 1015 years really emphasizing aftercare, finding

jobs for these horses. And I think it's happening.

Do we have work to do? Yeah, we got some more work to

do. We want him to come back other

than Derby and Oaks and Breeders all.

Right, DJ, Who's your picking? The Derby pick.

Is going to be Sierra Leone. I'm, I'm betting fierceness to

win. I think he either wins and runs

big or he he doesn't hit the board.

Sierra Leone I'm going to, I'm going to put in with him and

some exotic domestic product is something I'm going to use.

I'm going to use Mystic Dan and what I'm trying to not do as

I've told everybody, I'm trying not to over bet against myself.

Hey, thanks. Guys thanks for jumping on to me

so so much. We really are massive fans and

and really appreciative. We've got time here in the

Commonwealth. So he's early.

We're just going to go. Let's go.

Yeah, this is Derby. Let's go.

So thank you so much. We're going to get Commissioner

Shell in here. Jonathan Shell now joins us.

I don't have a page up about this guy.

So we're just going to, we're going to fly by the sea.

So get that out of here. We're going to let Commissioner

Shell get in here. Do you need to sit down?

You want to stand? You can do whatever you want.

All right. How about that?

This happened very organically. It's OK if I call you Jonathan.

I'm not sure go. Ahead and grab this and hold it.

Reason right about there. Perfect.

Thank you. We were just talking.

We met on therapy actually. It's what's going to happen and

we're sorry, having some conversations.

And do me a favor, take this off so they can take some.

Pictures Oh yeah, that's absolutely all.

Right. Hey guys, any pictures with the

credentials in them, get rid of those we'll.

Take the credentials. Yeah, we're going.

Yeah, we're on right now. Yeah.

Welcome in. This is the Horse Racing Half

Hour, Mike, and awful. I'm Louie Rebeau.

Jonathan Shell joins us here from the.

He's the Commissioner of Agriculture in the state of

Kentucky. What does horse racing mean to

like your How does horse racing fit into your job?

So with us we focus on the agriculture side of horse

racing. So when you think about

everything that culminates throughout the year to get to

this point, to get to this race, to get to the biggest stage in

horse racing, to get to the wow moment of the world here in

Kentucky, you're talking about the groomers, the trainers, the

Breeders, the ones that put the hay out, the people who feed on

the oats and get everything ready.

You're talking about the Holloway Feeds that every single

day there's people that are out there working in agriculture to

make these moments happen so people can wear the pretty

dresses and the hats to wear the suits and look nice to place the

bets. And so that's where we come in

as we work with our Agri businesses and our farmers

throughout the state of Kentucky.

Something really neat that I don't know if you all know, but

if you look through your program and you look at the book on

every single page, whenever you look at a race, you'll see a

Kentucky proud logo beside of different horses.

And that indicates that that was a Kentucky born, Kentucky bred

horse. And so in your in your race

packets today as you're looking and you're trying to figure out

which horse to bid on or to bet on, if you see that Kentucky

proud logo, that means that's a Kentucky bred horse.

Love it, Love the Kentucky bred aspect of it.

Does the bourbon world also fit into your into you as well?

Yes. So we work in in conjunction and

tandem with the bourbon industry through the agriculture side,

which is the corn, beans, wheat, all the row crop side of it.

We've got a booming industry in bourbon today, and it's a big

part of what we're what what happens here on Derby day.

And when you look at bourbon across the state of Kentucky,

the thing that we focus on is where there is a bourbon

distillery in a local community, it usually increases the amount

of corn production by 300% because they're buying locally

from those local farmers and it makes a huge impact.

And when you think about bourbon as a whole, I think the

statistics correct. The bourbon is 5% of the world's

whiskey. People ask me all the time, is

there a, is there an end to the bourbon boom?

Well, you tell me, if it's only 5% of the world's whiskey, you

just add one more percent and think about the economic growth

that happens in the industry. Just for Kentucky, our largest

export is bourbon. Our second largest export is

bourbon adjacent. So any kind of white oak

barrels, all the byproducts from barrel, that's our second

largest export. Our first one is bourbon.

And so it's a huge industry here, not only for the

agriculture side but also for the forestry side.

For on the horse racing side, you know we've got this great

circuit now in Kentucky, Lexington, Florence here you

know down in you know down in the Tennessee border out in you

know out of down park as well down to Franklin.

That's right. You know just watching the

growth of that of that circuit in the, I mean frankly the

emphasis nationally on it. I compare it kind of to a

college sports We're watching that PAC 12 kind of fall apart,

move to the middle of the country watching teams want to

be in the Big 10, want to be in the SEC.

Kentucky is becoming that place for horse racing.

What's your role in that thing? You know, I would say, I would

argue that Kentucky has been that place for horse racing.

We are the the horse capital of the world here in Kentucky.

I'll tell you something interesting that you may not

know just thinking about the agriculture side of this.

The veterinarian services that we have here are second to none

when you think about Root and Riddle and oh, I can't think of

the other one. OK, even I mean by route and

Riddle for sure, yeah. But, but there's another way,

it's the way they compare it to tell me is that it's like having

the Mayo Clinic 2 Mayo clinics in Kentucky when you think about

Cancer Research. And so that's the reason they'll

have them Airbus in from the Middle East and other countries

just to have veterinarian services done here at these

world renowned veterinarian clinics.

And so we've got the tracks, we've got the horses, we've got

the Breeders, we've got the owners, we've got the trainers,

we've got the veterinarians, we have everything that it takes to

create the the economy and the industry around horse racing

right here in Kentucky. How do you keep that going?

Yeah. Go ahead.

Keep it going. No, it's good.

Yeah. Keep going.

One of. The things that we talked about

a lot on the show is that people don't understand how many people

are employed because of horse racing in the state of Kentucky,

well, and how important that is. I asked I.

Asked the CEO of Churchill Downs yesterday how many people it

takes to run these two day events.

He said 12,000 people between the food services, between the

extra people they bring in, the police officers, the security,

12,000 people are here today that are working to service

150,000, he said. Normally they only employ 250.

So these are these are added additional jobs that are going

on and that's not even to count all the groomers and all the

things that come in throughout the season of the year.

I mean the horse industry employs a large number of

people. It's a $400 million impact for

the state of Kentucky and Louisville just these two days.

And then of course when you go to the farm and the stud farms

and the employees at the farms and all that stuff, I mean it's

it's just a massive amount of impact.

And we've got people that, you know, maybe they own the farm,

but they board horses that are there.

And so you think about a like State Representative Matt Cook.

He boards a lot of horses that'll be racing in the races

today and other days. And he won't own them, but he'll

he'll have them there, boarding them, helping take care of them.

Trainers will come in, work on them.

It's a really fascinating industry.

Whenever you really peel back, you know all the money that

people see, when you peel back all the pretty dresses and the

hair and all the things that are there, the industry itself is so

important to the economy of Kentucky.

Jonathan Shell here, Join us, Commissioner of Agriculture,

State, Kentucky. This is a fifth generation

farmer, all right? And he's a younger guy.

He's younger than both of us. Louis I think what?

He's 36. 36 All right, so. And.

He looks over to us, I mean. I'm just telling you like.

Well, I'll tell you boys. Let me just tell you what

happened this morning. I walk into a gas station.

I'm aggravating with the clerk up at the front.

She sees me, sees my wife and she says, are you all going to

prom? And I said, ma'am, do I look

young enough to go to prom? She said no, I thought you was

taking your daughter. Oh.

Man. My wife's same age as I am.

You're married? Well then, man.

It's bad. It's bad.

I'll tell you what, dude. Don't mess around in Louisville.

Don't make fun of us. It's a roast battle all the time

but this. Is the guy who's literally

coming from the field to the office what made you want to get

into politics? You know, for me it was just

looking at the way things were going back in 2008 when I ran

for state representative the first time, just didn't see the

way that I wanted things to go. And you know, it's hard for me

just to sit back and watch things break apart.

So I wanted to get my hands on it.

I wanted to make make a difference.

And you know, for agriculture specifically, so many people, if

you went through this audience today, so many people are so far

removed from the farm, generations removed maybe their

great, great grandfather or grandmother.

At this point we're on the farm. We've got to have people that

understand and know agriculture to protect the industry away

from things that are just lies, to see things that people don't

understand. You know, if you look on TikTok,

you would think that we're poisoning the ground, beating

the animals and erode in the soil.

And those things aren't true. We're the best conservationist

in the world in agriculture. Our animals are the best

sustainability partners for the world there ever has been.

And so we need to be able to have the freedom to do what we

do, and we need to educate the public on exactly what we are.

Did your wife pick your tie? How She did actually No, The

girls in the office picked this. She didn't.

Pick out the suit. I wanted to ask on the, so you

know during the, you know backside we see the governor, we

talked to him, we see Jacqueline Coleman, we talked to her right.

And they are very on board and and you know, so I work at ESPN

Louisville here in Tower and the sports wagering stuff and the

horse wagering stuff is such a boon for us and I know it's so

hard to push through it. I know it's not on the

agriculture side but are there initiatives you know and that

was look those were Republican relied bills got a Democratic

governor signs those immediately.

So a lot of work on both sides. Are there things you're working

on with the governor right now? Yeah.

So honestly, the governor and I, we get along really well.

Our his cabinet members, we don't have much interaction

personally, but the cabinet members we do.

And I'll tell you the thing that we're working on the most right

now is on agriculture as economic development.

And so when you think about what people look at agriculture, a

lot of times we think of cows, plows and sales.

It's so much more than that. Now what we're working on is how

do we build out the agriculture economic developments in this

state. One of the things that's

interesting that we've got to work on is that when you think

about direct job creation of a processor or of a grain elevator

or a farm itself, the the direct job creation is not quite as

high in order to reach the incentives that we have in

economic development. And so we've got to look at this

impact. I'll give you an example.

The Hopkinsville elevator's, a $700 million revenue business,

only employs 160 people, $700 million revenue, 160 people.

The impact of that is this. If you just put corn and beans

on a barge and send it out of the state, you're adding $0.05 a

bushel to the value. If you leave it there at the

Hopkinsville elevator, you make ethanol, DD, GS, all the other

things that go along, you're adding a dollar more bushel to

the value. That's five or that's 20 times

greater value in being able to have the processors here.

So what we need to look at is an econometrician model that allows

us to use impact rather than direct job creation on

agriculture products because the impact is immense. 3400 farmers

are associated with that elevator that are there.

It's a great impact and it's crossed state lines,

unbelievable impact. Same thing with all the other

major processors that we have. Same thing with a venue like

this. You talk about that business

like people. So I grew up around Detroit and

and you talk about like the like the frankly, like the automakers

with the suppliers. Yeah, right.

And and all the economic impact, those things, that's an

interesting way to put it. Absolutely.

When you think about Toyota here in Kentucky, massive, massive,

massive industry, but it supports over 250 other

subsidiary businesses associated with it that are suppliers and

people bringing into it. It's the same thing in

agriculture. The problem is, is that Toyota

plant thousands of jobs associated.

If it was an agriculture business, it'd be hundreds

instead of thousands. And so we've just got to.

Changing those thresholds. We've got to work on what the

thresholds look like and they've been very willing to talk about

it. And the more we can focus on

that from an agriculture state, which we are, the better it's

going to be for everybody. That means that the less

processed, less chemically processed, more locally grown,

all the better, healthier, fresher foods.

It means healthier population and a healthy Kentucky's a

strong Kentucky. Will you go back to the farm

someday? Oh yeah, I'm on the farm all

day. How?

About that, OK. All right, he's working and.

He's living there. We run about 1000 head of cattle

on our farm. We have greenhouses, about two

acres under roof that we do, hanging baskets, bedding plants,

all those kind of things. Raised 30 acres of pumpkins that

we sell in the fall of the year. I'm actually a.

Rancher in Kentucky. Does that count?

Is it a? Ranch.

I don't How does this work? You don't have you you can only

do livestock if you're a rancher.

And so we probably. Have.

Some ranches, but it's not. It's not common, but I also

state fair's coming up. In August.

Big deal. Two things I'd like to promote

while I'm on it. One, special needs children are

very special to me. I've got a special needs niece

that's got Down syndrome and we've got a Sunshine class that

shows lambs at the State Fair and we call that it's the

special needs kids that get to come in.

We're working on a partnership with Special Olympics Kentucky

to get more participation. I want that arena filled up on

August 22nd about 3:00. We're going to do a presentation

where we allow the the special needs kids to go out.

They show an animal just like everybody else, makes them feel

special and I think it's going to be a great thing if you can

find it, if you can get there. I'd love for people to pack that

arena so that they can get them cheered on.

Second thing is, is we do a giant pumpkin contest in

Kentucky. It's one of the most well

attended things that we do. I've got 7 plants I'm trying to

go a drop. Dog.

Right? You do?

And so if you're out there and you want to grow a jump pumpkin,

we're doing a commissioner's challenge that you can bring

your jump pumpkin to the State Fair.

And if you beat me, we're going to have a special prize for you.

I don't know what it'll be, but we're going to have a special

prize. I've heard it's a cream pie in

the face I. Don't know, maybe.

I was thinking AT shirt that says I weigh more than the

commissioners. How about this?

You got the Derby. You know, my chief of staff came

on Thurby with me and he he had, he had five races that he bet

on. He won four of those races.

I'm waiting to look over his shoulder.

I don't know yet. I'm going to see what he bets.

It's a terrible take on sports talk radio.

It's. A politician's take on.

Well, I think the Kentucky Brad should win.

That's the answer. And don't forget, 20 of the 22

eligible horses for today's Derby are Kentucky proud there.

It is. There it is.

Well, there you go. Commissioner Johnson, Shell,

man, Thank you so much. Appreciate it.

That area, he's from Garrett County, which is near and dear

to my heart now that I have an office in Danville.

So there you go. Oh, OK.

I do know where that is. It All right, there we go.

All right. We probably need to take a

break. We'll take a break right now.

We'll come back with Doctor Chet Mays will get him on the phone,

get his pick for Derby. Less political answer, I

imagine. That was awesome.

So I'm glad he jumped on. Thanks, DJ.

Thanks to Commissioner for sure. Commissioner Shell, we'll get

back here. Want to thank our third partner

that we have not mentioned to this point today is my guy.

Brian Dettman. Injury law 2TS1 end Brian

Dettman injury law. Go check him out.

He's in the Highlands. Got a great office over there,

man. Insurance company comes with you

with something. Maybe a little car accident?

Something like that doesn't seem right.

Just get a second set of eyeballs on it.

Go check out our guy. Brian Detman, injury lawyer as

well. More horse racing Happy hour.

We do it next here on ESPN 681057.

Live from Churchill Downs for Kentucky Derby 150, it's the

horse racing happy hour on ESPN 680 and one O 5 Seven.

Here are your hosts Louie Rabo and Mike and Dolph.

All right, Welcome back to the horse racing happy hour on ESPN

680. Mike Endalfo here with Louie

Rabo. All the people are up here now.

It is filling it. All the glitterati have arrived.

And JC here. Tony Vanetti's here.

Oh Tony, oh, Tony Vanetti's here.

Oh, it's unreal. We are.

We are getting very close to Race 5.

By the way, there's also a man with just a tissue stuffed in

his nose. That Nosebleed, I guess.

I don't know. Yeah.

I want to talk to Doctor Chad Mays, though.

Is he on the line? But do we need to remind people

of our pick real quick? Yeah, so race 5 is coming up

here in a couple of seconds. Again, I am on the 10 Big

invasion here. I also think the 8 Mischief

Magic has a real shot. Both of those are 9:00 to 2:00

and 5:00 to 2:00. I would much rather get the 9:00

to 2:00 on the 10 horse. Don't forget about the four

notorious motor. Yeah, it's my third hit here.

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, OK.

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that. We're trying to have a

civilization. You understand me, Chad?

With you, you are from the state of Kentucky.

You're AU of L guy like Derby day.

Do you just tell people, hey, leave me alone, I'm watching a

race. Yeah, you know, it used to be

that way. But, you know, I got three kids

now, so I'm trying to teach them this tradition.

I was just out this morning. I was going to post a picture

about. I was looking at my mint.

I have growing outside just to make sure I can make a fresh

mint julep at home. But yeah, I like to come out the

track too. But this year, you know, it's

more of that hosting things in my house for friends and family.

So what I typically do these days when I come to Derby time,

Yeah, it's interesting you mentioned that I'm, I think

around the country. I posted a picture the other

day, Chad, for example, Our kids happen to go to school together.

You don't like the mini Derby at school.

I think people around the country don't know how much the

Derby permeates the culture, frankly, for about a month

around here. And one of those things that

always stands out, You're not the only guy growing Mitt in his

backyard. It's that little stuff that

really makes Louisville special around the Derby.

Oh yeah, just really Kentucky proud.

And you know the city does a great job of really exposing

what we have here for everyone. And I just really enjoy all the

festivities that build up today, today the 150th.

So it's got to be something special for you all day or I'm

sure you're taking it all in today.

It's got to be beautiful. We've had a bunch of great

guests so far and guys that I know have been do probably more

derbies than I'll be able to attend in my life, which is

really, really great. Race 5 about to go off here at

Churchill Downs hopefully get another on top winner with big

Invasion. The 10 we shall see as they make

their Ray on the backside of Churchill Downs.

Right now we got a nice little pick three we're going to play

going into the Derby and we always include your pick in the

Derby as part of our wager Dr. May.

So who do you have in this year's Derby?

I, you know, you and I talked earlier last week.

We're going over some forces and yeah, I haven't.

Is the track pretty sloppy from yesterday or how's the track

looking? No, it looks perfect.

It is totally dried out. Yes.

Yeah. Because yeah, we're talking

about sloppy tracks. You tell me about Mystic Dan

loves those sloppy tracks when we talk.

But if that tracks drying out, you know the one of the

favorites up there, Sierra Leone, I think that's where I'm

going to put my money. All.

Right. So we will keep Sierra Leone in

our tickets then today. So the 14's going to come home

here. My goodness, what's the price

here? My gosh, the 14 here is oh,

Cogburn. Yeah, sure, that's a horse that

hasn't run here before, but it's a very fine sprinter ired Ortiz

will win the race there for Steve Asmussen.

Last race in Kentucky down since September 1st off.

Oh my, how about that? So we will throw Sierra Leone

into our pick three ticket as well.

Did you get to watch The Oaks yesterday, Doctor Mays?

How I did. There's a wet one.

How about that? And you came out on Tuesday.

I wanted to ask. You came out on Tuesday for that

50 Tuesday. You've done that now two years

in a row with your staff. Do you guys have a great time on

that day? Oh yeah, we did it last year and

it's really had a good time. And this year we're like we're

doing that again. So that is definitely an annual

tradition that Mays plastic surgery.

Now that we have that 13,000 square foot facility, I have a

lot more employees, about 25 employees now.

So that's great. Every year I got to, I got to

win big to pay for that bill. We do every year.

We come out this track now. So there.

There you go. Well, all right.

Well he is Doctor Chet Mays, Mays at Doctor Chet Mays on all

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Near the old Sears. There you go.

Building. Building Doctor Mays, we

appreciate you very much. Have a great Derby day.

Always a pleasure, guys. Good luck today.

Enjoy it, 150th. We'll see you soon.

All right. Thank you.

There you go, doctor. Chat all.

Right chat. We'll see you later.

Look at you messing with levels all right.

So. Just turn me all the way off.

No, you're not four, are you? All the mice on four, I'll look

at you, look at you being smart. How about that?

Yeah, it's actually has the clip on it.

So we're going. Yeah, I did on purpose.

We are going to, then we're going to go through the Derby

field a little. More got to keep.

Going keep going, so we're going to we where we left.

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horse. This is honor.

Honor right here is with Ben Curse board local trainer Xanax

Mafia wit Beckman is the trainer.

We got to talk to wit a little bit yesterday.

This is of course it's the feel good horse.

It's getting bet that way. 20 to one on the morning line now at

12. Oh my God, we had the we had the

14 in the pick 3. We did.

Look, look at that. Did it, man.

No, we didn't hit that pick three.

We didn't hit that one though. We missed the middle.

We hit it again. We missed the second leg, right.

OK, Yeah. So we're five or six on the pick

three. Got it.

Yeah. Yeah, Honor Marie, Louis.

I mean, I think we would all love for Wit to win this race.

No question, but where do you? Put it.

I think he's up against it for sure.

And and look, and Dan talked about it a little bit and Dan

talked about it frankly, in a way that I hadn't really thought

about, which is why I love having other people on to help

me out here. But look, I mean, Anna Marie, if

if he's right in that Louisiana Derby actually wasn't what I

think it is. And you know catching Freedom is

just one of these horses that was going to always win that

race that maybe his 2nd place finish there isn't that

impressive. Now there were some issues in

the barn this week with with availability of of different

people and things as well on the Anna Marie side.

I do wonder about that as well. I wonder how much local money

he's getting. He's going to watch right.

And so that's kind of a problem as well.

Ben Curtis first time in the Derby.

I'm I'm trying not to hold that against jockeys too much.

I've said that too much. I think this week, by the way, I

think I've been a little unfair, a little over the line with

Keith Asmus. OK.

Because I think I've mentioned it too many times that I that

I'm worried about him in this spot and so I need to stop

because I just did it again. So but no.

But Ben Curtis gets up here. But we talked about this a lot.

Euro jockeys, big fields are not scared by them.

They're used to them, frankly, from being overseas.

Ben Curtis's first full calendar year in the United States riding

in fairgrounds first and then up here offer with Beckman in this

spot did ride this horse for the first time ever in that

Louisiana Derby and it was his best finish.

So I know you love that jockey horse relationships with

handicapping angle. If you wanted to lean into it,

it's that, right? It's that.

And frankly, we talked about it with Danny Gargan.

Why can't it be true for Witt Beckman, growing up watching

this race, wanting to get that saddlecloth that says Kentucky

Derby, you know, you know, has a starting spot in the gate for

those workouts. Getting that little yellow, that

neon yellow sort of, you know? Your hardest Derby horse is

probably your first one, right? After that, you're more likely

to get the second, especially with how young Witt is.

The good news for him? That's exactly right.

I don't think any. It doesn't matter today for the

future of his career how this horse wins or runs.

Excuse me, if he runs tenth, people say, well, he got a horse

to the Derby. He knows what he's doing.

He's based in Louisville. I want to be on the Kentucky

circuit. They're going to come to win

back and forth. I love it.

The 8 horse is a horse Wiley race.

Just a touch coming off the 2nd place finish in that Bluegrass

Frenchie and Brad Coxman. I mean you you're going to get

double digit odds on French and Brad Cox, but you're also only a

12:50 on a horses not won a stakes race yet.

So I mean there I go back and forth on this horse.

The final fractions do not like this horse stuff.

Yeah, was not fast finishing in the bluegrass, right?

So was passed. And here's what I always wonder

when that happens. Did, did and did Flora Giroud

look back and see that they were OK and just not press anymore?

You. Know, I always wonder about

those kinds of things like save the horse a little bit, No, no

need to like absolutely push through.

But they also needed the points so they did have to finish.

So my guess is actually they did push right?

And so I'm wondering what this horse can he get the distance?

Can he be a winner? Ironically like his dad didn't

run as a 2 year old has run three times coming into this

race. Just like justify OK, but

justify was undefeated coming into this race run 100 point

race coming into this race. Big difference, a massive

difference. I will let just to touch beat me

today. I've heard his name a lot.

He has turned into absolutely one of the buzz horses.

Absolutely no doubt about. It so, but I understand it too.

Mom's by Tappet justifies his dad.

He's trained by Brad Cox's fraud Giroux.

Like all those things make sense for him to be very competitive

with the Kentucky Derby, which is why I'm tossing him, I guess.

This is kind of the mage we talked about.

This is the mage of this year. I agree with you on that.

Yes, 9 And was I? The first person to say that, by

the way. Actually, I think I was in.

No way. Did you?

Yeah. Oh, that's awesome.

Good. Yeah.

Right. That's OK as.

Long as it was on. This show, I don't care.

It was on this Encino. By the way the track looks it's

it's totally fine. They're, Let's see, are they

rating it? Yeah, let's see.

It still says Muddy on here. Man, you know.

No. No, it's it's the turfs good the

they're saying the tracks. Buddy, It's not buddy.

They got the Rakes out. That's why I know it's not.

Buddy 9 Encino is scratched. That was the winner of the

Lexing states, Not surprised. I mean the host, it's hard to

come back into that Alexis, Jason still be.

Unfortunately, a leg injury going to sideline him for a

month. I hate that for the horse.

But the horse is going to run again, more than likely.

No question. But I hate that he's going to

miss out because I think it's it could have been simple if it was

like, yeah, he's just not ready to go to Baltimore and be ready

for that race because his style I think actually works for.

I say that I think it'd be OK for Baltimore.

I think he'd at least get a piece.

I I hate that he's going to have to take a full month off in the

middle of his three-year old development because look at even

look at the buyers 688994. That's a climbing horse.

Getting a horse getting better class.

Brad Cox stuff of course, right. And so, yeah, just kind of

disappointing he's not here. And see no horse that we can see

in the end of Derby. If he's back and form by then,

yeah, yeah 'cause we're talking about early June.

Being able to get back and form gives about a month to be ready

for that race. Be a tough spot to land back in.

All right. I I kind of like it though.

So that's going to take us to the Japanese contingent.

We got two horses. I'm going to let you talk about

this, Rome. Japan, both of them coming in

totally different ways TO password the 10 coming as the

roads to Japan's road to the. Derby and.

Again, with Encino being scratched, that means he'll be

the 10 horse without a nine spot and then 11, Forever Young, who

won the the UAE Derby, will be in the ten spot.

That's importantly because of why?

Because he doesn't load first, he loads last.

He spends the least amount of time in the starting gate of any

horse in the field and so that's a big difference to go in first

and wait for nine other horses to load to your right and nine

other horses to load to your left At the same time they do 2

lines of loading for that 20 horse game.

I should I should clarify that part.

And so the old password will now go in will go in 9th and he was

going to go in 10th and four V Young now will go in 10th

instead of first, which is a massive difference.

It's a huge difference. We had Kate Hunter on, yes.

David. Kate.

Earlier this week, she's in. She's basically the American

liaison to Japanese racing. Like she's the first Churchill

for No, I mean. For this weekend.

She works for church. She works correctly.

But she also advocates for all those trainers.

Absolutely. And all those horsemen over

there trying to give them a shot.

Frankly, she's. Working on the policy level with

the Japanese government, she's doing everything.

Unbelievable stuff she's doing. That's all the podcast center.

If you want to, you don't. That doesn't have to be before

the Derby to listen to that. That's just an interesting

interview. It really is.

Yeah, it's just. An if you want to get an idea of

how you know they're trying to have a bigger influence over

here. I think they got their best shot

here Louis and I think both of these horses could be live.

I'm I'm going to be surprised if TO password the TO password

looks the parts I agree like passes the eyeball test I agree

like has the classic Derby body we've we really have very little

to go off buddy very little to go off won the Figaro and that's

that's it that that that got him into the race and they shipped

him over. Typically they don't ship unless

they think they have a shot. I mean, we haven't had a lot of.

You're right about shippers, especially from that route from

the Fukurayo, right? Yeah, from the UAE, opposite,

right. But in this case, yeah, TL

password coming over from the Fukurayo is unusual.

You're right. But Kate, But you should talk

about it, man, because you you are in love with how this horse

looks. I mean, really, I really AM and.

And Kate, I'm not picking on you by the way, you just you and I

appreciate it because that's that's one of the reasons you

come out on the honestly for me. So you and I have different

motivations, I think, for watching horses breeze, work

out. Whatever I'm looking for, they

don't like it. Here I'm actually that's usually

what I'm doing. OK, cool.

OK. I'm looking for how they how.

I feel like so many people are trying to figure out who looks

good here. This is Churchill Downs.

A lot of horses look good here, right?

They just do. This surface is so it it it it's

at the middle point of so many different tracks, It seems to

really fit a lot of horses. So I don't look for who looks

good. I look for the rare case that

they don't look good. Because when you handicap the

Derby, you have to start with who's not going.

To win with the one exception for both of us, which is

serended Empress. What about her?

That we we came out here and she looked amazing.

Well, that's because I just saw her butt.

She had a very big butt. And she glided across the.

Track Well, that's also true. Yeah, the butt was way more.

Important. And so I mean I would agree with

you Louis like I'm coming out here saying who's who's digging

deeper who's breaking their ankle tape you know who doesn't

seem like they're just taking to the surface as well.

And in this case I look at TO password and he's like man this

horse just looks like he could really be something and and when

Kate was talking about the financials it takes to get these

horses over from Japan, over the United States and it's it is not

a cheap endeavor. It's also why, by the way, all

of the little things that we talked about these on the show,

so TO password, his day starts in the quarantine bar, which is

surrounded by concrete. Because usually horses don't

stay there. They're just there for a very

short amount of time until the testing is done to make sure

they're not bringing in a disease from another place.

Right. Because the last thing you need

is an outbreak at a place like Churchill Downs with a bunch of

million, $2,000,003.00 million dollar horses and frankly down

to the 10, ten, $10,000 claimer, that horse doesn't need to get

sick. There's no reason for that if

you can avoid it. So they have something called a

quarantine bar. If you ship in from somewhere

else, you land there, you, the vet checks you out, and then you

get passed through. Well, there's an outbreak of an

STD, frankly, in Japan going on right now that they just cannot

trust those horses to be amongst the general public.

So when you see them walking in the mile shoot, that's actually

what they would usually be doing in a barn that isn't concrete

surrounding, right. And so these horses have to get

out on the mile chute just to stretch their legs.

And so we see them doing the ovals and the, you know, the,

the, the figure eights, Thank you, the Infinity sign, if you

will, those kinds of things. And I think people look at that

and they go, wow, what a different style that is.

When really it's just a reality of that, that thing.

To me, it's just too much to overcome.

I think it's just too much to overcome and I think pretend I

think for both and I think that's why and I think that's

why Kate talked about it that way and she's so passionate

about it because she knows those horses are handcuffed and it's

not Churchill Downs's fault. It's not that you you saw his

fault. It's not any of the testing over

here's fault. It's that Japan won't move on

testing on their end and and if they would and she talks about a

very and it's the only reason I'm talking about it this way is

because she did. If they were willing to change

that in my mind if they were if they were next to West Saratoga

in the backside of the Danny Gargan barn.

I would feel way different. If they had that little grass

patch and they were hanging out and doing the thing and they

could just walk around and hang out I would feel totally

different. I just think the constraints on

those forces all the extra little crap they have to do is

just too much. Plus the travel I just I'm out.

Dan Illman likes the 11 Forever Young.

We're including him in the ticket.

I want to be clear we're including him in the ticket, but

in my. Mind what's that?

You did like him a whole lot. I still do.

I just after talking to Kate, it's like, holy bleep, they got

to do that much. Just be here, maybe.

Maybe the horse just doesn't know any better, doesn't care.

What is it? That would be great.

I love a Japanese winner of this race, by the way.

What is if one of them hits the board?

OK, what if that's a conversation changer?

What does that do for Japanese breeding like because that I

mean are they going back and is that their is that their deal?

They I mean Sunday Silence was really the one that kind of went

over there and was like the big start to their breeding program.

Dude, does one of these horses, you know, start to try and take

that place? I I imagine forever young.

For example, if he doesn't win the Derby, I imagine he's

straight back to the Arabian Peninsula or straight back to

Japan, right? I don't think they keep him here

for any more of the classic races just because of the

constraints. It's just going to go to the

next quarantine barn. Frankly, Mike, you and I have

been a Pimlico. I don't even know where the hell

that is involved. And we were trying to figure.

It out. Yeah.

Right. Does he have to stay at

Timonium? Like, I really don't know,

right. And I think at some point, like

those constraints, right, just so overwhelming that the horses,

yeah, we'll try the Derby, but after that we're out of there.

Do you think it was either one of these, the Breeders Cup?

What's? Interesting is Mandarin hero

last year for example. Well, I mean frankly

Derasotagaki almost won the damn the Saudi Cup right.

I mean so we're seeing this over and over again one of those two

at the Breeders Cup that's enough.

I'll go no just got this long odds but it is California.

If one does, I'll I'll take Forever Young in that group.

OK. All right.

So we kind of just talked about both those horses.

I think, I think they're allowed to hit the board and I think,

you know, we've talked. By the way, Forever Young could

set up a lot of different things by by running second or third.

Let's do, let's go through the list by the way, because this

isn't insignificant. It'd be the first UAE Derby

horse to hit the board. I think that would be really

significant. Absolutely.

The first Japanese bred to hit the board with full Japanese

connections, I think that's AI think a bigger deal frankly, as

we talk about the future of horse racing and we brag about

the the culture around here, the circuit in Kentucky, we also

need other places to be great too.

We do and if and if LA is going to bail, if Chicago's going to

bail, if whatever else, if those places are not going to be as

important as they once were, we need other spots to pop up.

Now the the areas around Kentucky, we're watching

Indianapolis become a spot, frankly FanDuel and Saint Louis

is starting to pick up a little because you can be there in 4

hours from here. Really interesting watching

those things. I think Arkansas is really

buoyed by how well it's going here as well and vice versa.

I think Arkansas keeping all that quality there and coming

right back to Churchill Downs is a huge thing for the Kentucky

circuit. And so we need Japan on that

stage too. And I think it sets that up, I

really do. And I think the breeding party,

you're totally right about that. I mean these are, I mean these

are horses that even I'm great like real steel.

That's a horse. I know that's a Japanese bread

that wasn't true 10 years ago. That's true.

And they're coming on the scene faster, faster.

All right, Let's thank our partners.

Let's get a trivia question. Okay, I'm bad about trivia

today. We do want to thank our partners

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That's a really interesting interview if you want to just

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Rich Strike is the second longest odds winner of the

Kentucky Derby ever at 80 to one.

Can you name the horse that was the longest odds to ever win the

Kentucky Derby? It was a very, very long time

ago. We'll talk about that next on

the show, but we got about like 2 minutes here.

Mike, you are holding the Kentucky Derby 150.

Long. Remember Glass?

Yes. OK, this is a big deal.

This is a big deal. So.

Talk about those real quick. All right, So I was actually

tipped off earlier this week from someone I know who's high

up the Kroger Corporation hopefully didn't just get her in

trouble that they were going to have a typically the mint julep

glass that they have at Churchill Downs.

You can buy a Kroger or Meyer or wherever else.

Or like our partners at Cox's Evergreenly.

Or they were available yesterday.

Or therapy, or whatever else. This Derby glass with gold

lettering Frosted. Big Derby 150 on front.

Only available if you're at the track today and they're going to

break. Whichever ones they don't use,

they are creating a collector's item and and it's actually, I

think they're a little thicker than they normally are.

What do you think? No question about they're trying

to make sure that they're not as breakable.

They're man, these these glasses are they're slapping, right?

I mean, they're they just look. Slapping is a good term, yeah,

and they had the Oaks one too that we got yesterday.

We got an Oaks one. We got one for my wife

yesterday. Yeah.

So we're going to be all set. They're going to go straight to

the China cabinet. And who knows, man, maybe in a

couple years they might be worth something.

They'll be right next to my authentic ticket from the Derby

that we were here in September and you know.

I was thinking about that. I wore this tie to that Derby,

Yeah, actually. And I was.

Judging you because of that, Because why are you wearing the

same thing? Because I'm a man.

I'm. I'm messing.

Because I'm a man. Yeah.

Can we do? We can do that.

I think I wore this shirt this week.

I don't care. Anyways, I've had the same shoes

on for 33 straight days or something.

The. But yeah, just the that kind of

stuff. They're doing little touches for

1:50. It's interesting because I

thought they might overdo it a little.

That has been the case. They really haven't.

No, they're really proud of it, obviously.

They really have. Yep, they really have.

And you and I have pointed out something as well.

It's been really friendly this week.

People have been in a really good mood and maybe the

weather's part of that. I don't know.

And maybe just, you know, so cold last year backside,

especially early in the week. It did get beautiful by the time

we got to race time. It's perfect out here right now.

Man, this. Is great.

Yeah, this is really, really great.

And you know, track looks fantastic.

I know I think we're going to get fair races today, but it has

been you want to be closer to the front than not on the dirt

for sure. And so that's the way it's been.

We're going to, we're going to take a break.

Again, our trivia question. The longest odds on the board.

The longest odds ever to win the Kentucky Derbys 91 to one.

We'll do that Rich. Strike one at 80 to one.

What is the name of that horse? It was a very long time ago.

Texas 502-437-9680, 437-9680 on our.

UPS got one hour left to get through the rest of the

handicapping and the rest of the Derby horses.

We'll be here for it and we'll be right back here on the horse

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