Scott Issel & Barry Spears stop by! Arlington Million (CNL) & Fourstardave (NYRA)

All right. Welcome to the horse racing

hospital. Happy hour.

Happy hour. Happy hour are.

We at a hostel today. Is that what we thought I was

throwing because of the abrupt stop there?

The music? But you know.

Look, the DJ, it's at his discretion.

Not all of us could be DJ Mike Ice.

I guess not. Can't be that.

What was your horrible DJ name again?

I don't think I had a horrible DJ name.

I did DJ a lot in high school though.

Yeah, yeah, it's house party DJ, you know.

Ones and twos, Yeah. Were you the DJ because you

already had a girl or were you trying to get girls?

Well, you already know the answer to that I.

Was trying to get girls? No, I was the house party guy.

I was the guy that could. I was in charge of the

neighborhood. I know which house that is.

That's, I mean that's. Yeah, yeah, the I was the guy

who watched the booze at parties because people knew I wasn't

chasing the girls. Oh, OK, Yeah.

Yeah. All right.

I was a lame guy. Yeah, that's how that goes.

I was the guy who was filling up the dude's beer bottle of water

so he could act like he was drinking, but he really wasn't.

Yeah. That was a play in high school,

for sure. Yeah, that's whatever you gotta

do, whatever you gotta do. So I feel like we haven't seen

each other in a. While Uncle Steve taught me how

to drink without drinking what? Like the beer bottle with the

water. You know, Uncle Steve taught me

how to drink with drinking. Like how to be in a party and

not get in trouble kind of thing.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm just a little fusy.

Yeah. Yeah.

Still have like bottle around looking on.

Nobody knows. I mean Budweiser's based A.

Little too is like if you need a day off, you just grab, you

know, you grab a club soda or something.

You got the koozie, the koozie's, the high.

This is slowly gonna go into like the beer, like the cheap

beer choice that goes. Around what was it in Michigan?

Growing up, some version of, like Labatt, Labatt, yeah.

And then at IU, it was Keystone Light.

Zach can attest to that. The Dirty 30 was definitely

3030. But at Michigan State, it was

Bush Light. Yeah, yeah.

And I think you get a 30 pack for see my 90s high school

college days was like the Mad Dog malt liquor and the Zema

with the Z Jolly range. So I never did that, though I

can honestly say so. It sounds pretty bad.

Yeah, people do one of those things, you know.

So we are going to have a great show today.

We're going to have, I mean, we're going to have someone on

the show today who hit a six figure bet bet, three figures to

hit 6 figures. That's a pretty good return on

your best. Not bet at all.

Not bet at all. We're going to have our man

Barry Spears on the show today. We're going to talk a little

Saratoga, We're going to talk a little of Colonial Downs,

although I don't not really sure why and then.

I like think there's $1,000,000 race and you're like, I don't

get it, I don't get it. It's more like why we got

Colonial Downs kind of thing. But let's talk about that then,

yeah? Cuz Mike Mills is listening.

He's there, yeah, and very excited.

Cuz he's a Virginia guy and like first grade one ever in the

state of Maryland, Cuz the Virginia Derby is at grade 3.

It's a $300,000 race by the way. The the Commonwealth Derby,

right? Or they call it both I think

but. Are they still in our stuff is

what you're saying they are OK? Yeah.

Like they gave us the Manjula. But you can't call yourself

Commonwealth anymore. Well, they're actually, I guess,

the Commonwealth before we were the Commonwealth because of UP.

Yours, Pennsylvania and Massachusetts.

I shake that. There you go.

I guess that's true. We were probably the last

Commonwealth state, so. 1789, yeah.

But Pennsylvania would have been before us.

Massachusetts. Virginia.

Yeah, you're right. Yeah.

So there you go. Little geography history lesson

here on. Take that, Ohio.

We're not part of you anymore. OK?

Let's talk. You won't.

I got to go in this order is what you're trying to tell.

Me do we want? Look, let's talk white of

barrio, OK? So we're going out.

It's white of barrio season, right?

I mean like, OK, that's out of order, but that's fine.

Yeah, so. I mean just look I got scolded.

I agree with you so. Is that got scolded for going

out of? On this show, we we, we invite

you to fall in love with random horses, right?

And I would say that White Barrio is one of those random

horses. Yes, I would agree also.

I just want to make sure that everyone sees our thank you.

Today I'm drinking the finals of Sparkling Waters Saratoga

Sparkling. Waters, I just want to be 100%

clear. It's only when Mike does that I

don't like it. Look, Louie, I'm already ready

for you. There it.

Is there it is so, but in in a Whitney where we have talked

about Mike. The older dirt male class not

being the strongest it's ever been.

Correct for sure. We get an upset here, and I'm

not sure that we should have been surprised because Cody's

wish stretching out to a mile and an eighth was absolutely a

question mark. Zandon loves to run second.

Sure, it's what he does and why. The bar was what a great one

before. I know we laugh at it, whatever

else and you know the the safy stuff.

But here he is with in the dutro barn winning the Whitney.

Is that Go ahead? It's still Giant Game and White

a barrio. White a barrio puts his Gray

head in front, coming to the quarter pole.

Zandin's had a beautiful trip. Angling out Cody's wish has a

lot of work to do from there, and Charge it is trying to rally

there at the top of the stretch in the Whitney and White, A

barrio, is the leader, narrowly over Giant Game Zandin Cody's

wish on the outside, still 4 lengths behind White, a barrio

who's running the race of his life.

Look at White A barrio and a Red Ortiz junior in a runaway.

White A barrio wins by almost 6 lengths, Zandin said.

I mean, that's pretty solid. It also needs to be said, say it

Zandin is the new Tacitus. Big stages, getting the checks

but not winning the races. That's who Zandin is.

And then so like it is what it is and I'm not mad at them no go

get the checks. That was probably one a $250,000

check. 2nd place there maybe, yeah.

Two 200, it's $1,000,000 race. So you know, go get that check.

I would run that horsefully 7 if he runs second and great ones,

yeah, they just get the checks. Yeah, 100%.

So yeah, I'm pulling up. Just just very curious.

I want to see what these times were now.

I mean, of course he wasn't really, he wasn't pushed, right?

So, like so white barrio, the fractions were pulling up the

chart. Well chart action on the chart

action final time was 14845. That's pretty fast.

That's good, yeah. Real good.

I mean, so the real question here is this was the test to see

this code You wish, this code's wish decided to go for the

classic for the payday. He was flying at the end too.

I don't know. Now I think he's not his deal.

He's a one turn horse and it's nothing wrong with that, he's.

To be fair to code his wish, he did win.

That two turn dirt mile in the British Cup at Caitlin last

year, he's got to go do that again if he's going to repeat in

that race over two turns again at San Anita.

It's the same course layout essentially for that race.

And so I think you're right. I think he's shown that he's a

miler at most. I think that that that pat day

distance at Churchill, that one turn mile perfect is probably

perfect. That's exactly right.

And so I again would love to own a horse like Cody's Wish.

And so I do think, though once in a while you do find out.

From these kinds of races, what horses are best at or what

they're best suited for, at least in this case, we find that

now the the real question is, can can white a barrio get any

kind of consistency going into the fall?

And here's the thing, I understand why they're doing it,

but I don't love it. They're going to train them up

to the British. No classic.

So we're not going to see him again.

Where do you think? I don't either.

Where do you think he has 1618 to 1, man, I'll tell you.

Even in this field, it's still. There's so much to shake out.

I mean, I there's. How about this?

So much in cuz I think I know how how you feel about the

three-year old class. I didn't get there, by the way.

Have my take last week cuz I wasn't on about.

I think that I'm shocked by the way that Forte was not taken

down. Oh, OK Yeah, you're probably

not. You're probably like, Oh yeah,

it's all legit. I didn't say that, but I

understand. I read at Saratoga that ain't

coming down. And then he gets the suspension

after, yeah. But no, the real question is,

would you rather have white a barrio in the classic or all

three-year olds? Because I think that's where we

are in this conversation, I'll take Forte.

You'll take the three-year olds out.

Yeah. OK.

Yeah. OK.

What about you? I probably agree with you, but I

think that we have to think about it at all.

Talks to the level of the older dirtvales this year.

When was the last time that the top three finishers in the Met

Mile were the same top three finishers in the Whitney?

I would guess almost certainly never.

That is unbelievable, you know? Where did Zana finish?

In the MIT mile second again it does.

It went 123. Well, they flipped it the first

and third, yeah. That's why.

But that's Zana. Maybe get those checks dog and

I'll tell you I you know I I do not like though I do not like

why do barrio going straight from here to the previous I

agree it's it's never. I don't think it's ever played

out well that way, especially on the dirt races.

So I think it pretty much eliminates him from my ticket.

OK, Yeah, there you go. Yeah.

Sitting here today, I tend to agree with you.

Yeah, look at that. Silver's in and that's four of

the last five races that he's coming second.

So there you go. Those checks, baby, get him,

including the Pennsylvania Derby, which he lost to table.

That's the horse that I'm still kind of, you know?

Which version of that horse are we going to see?

But we still haven't seen Table run this year.

So, you know, I guess we'll. Are they training him up to the

Pacific class? I don't know.

I don't know either. I mean they're still haven't

announced the next racer table and that's still that's the one

four year old that I think it's still help him get it and.

But you've been a fan of his? Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, over a year for sure, Dan.

Dan's probably rolling Zaza, I mean.

I don't know that that's true. He's shadow racing right now.

Yeah, I don't know that that's true, but.

Let's go ahead Zach, let's move to the the middle race on there

the the Saratoga Derby here. I, I man, we did this once, but

how many derbies are run on the grass versus the ones that are

run on dirt? Like 1/3, right?

Yeah. Yeah, 30% sounds about 3035%

sounds about right, but we get the the Chad Brown house

stunning in this one with the programmers trading.

Far Bridge is coming alive on the outside with a wide bid and

Battle of Normandy just inside of him.

They're at the top of the stretch.

Program trading and web Slinger out in the center of the course.

Web Slinger just in front Program trading fighting Bravely

2 links back far Bridges in 3rd, followed by Battle of Normandy a

16th to go and it's web Slinger and program trading Program

trading resilient coming back on the inside, Program trading

would not be denied and what a way.

Program trading was the second choice in the race but ended up

getting the win. Pretty good race right there.

Yeah, No, great stretcher on there, a little re kick on

there. What were the fractions in that

race, Mike? Because that's one where it's a

little you need to go see an eye doctor.

It's a little, a little strange. Just watch the horse get past

and then be able to catch up like that.

Yeah. So the opening quarter was 2374,

the opening half 49.59. So it slowed it way down, yeah.

Then a mile and 14 or minute 14. Four.

One minute 38 seven. Was he on the lead?

Essentially the entire race, except for that one part of the

stretch was, Yep, until the top of the stretch at the 1:38, and

then the final time was 15663. Yeah.

Yeah, 138 is a pretty reasonable fraction too.

So, all right. Yeah.

I mean Chad Brown. We'll see what he can do.

Colonial this weekend. So that's a race.

He's won a bunch in the Arlington millions.

So I'll see if he can punch back with that.

Pretty mischievous winning the test.

Also, we're not going to show you that race after the tragedy.

I'm glad that Joel's OK. Everybody's everybody's good

except except the horse. It's obviously tragic.

I'm guessing that we won't have a traverse now that they're

going to have to close the track down since that's like 7 horse

tests and you know we'll have to go that route, right?

We're going to close the track. Move the Finger Lakes.

Yeah, I guess that's probably what we'll do.

We'll just have a little Finger Lakes Travers at the Finger

Lakes. Right, aqueducts available.

I mean, why not, right? I mean, it's obviously must be

unsafe, I. Mean and I'm not making light of

the horse time by the way. I just don't want to make.

I want to make sure that's that's tragic every single time

we have. The Maple Leaf Bell thing was

possibly hard to watch, yeah, and pretty mischievous, though I

think it's obviously starting to separate herself as the top

three-year old Philly, yeah. Especially to turn, yeah.

But yeah, you know, it's just interesting.

You don't feel like Saratoga's getting really the kind of crap

that Churchill Guns is getting? Sure, we tried.

Yeah. It's my boy.

So the only time is for, yeah, yeah, how about that.

I also think that Churchill Guns didn't mind shutting down to

kind of get ready for driven 150 and that sports gambling.

His name is Mike Gandolfo. Big Mike Gandolfo on Twitter.

No light can fire me. Can't cancel this.

I might get him saltier later on.

That's a great again, man. If you wanted to have Saratoga

sparkling, water it. Brings out all the songs the

most pretentious sparkling. Water I do wonder you know if

other people have the conspiracy theory level sort of stuff of

like they want to get ready for sports betting so not having

horses there with the on track attendance so like every day our

I, Tim Wilkin was with the Albany Times junior for years

always tweets out. Paid attendance at at Saratoga,

it's always over 20,000. Yeah, it's awesome.

Now, how many days in the total year are there?

20,000 people at Churchill Downs, So obviously 3 on Derby

week at least Thanksgiving Day. That couple of The Saturdays

that they do the night racing right, 10, right?

They do it 40 times in a row. Yeah, well, Keelan's come.

Keelan's absolutely the same. I was just going to bring that

up actually. And so, I mean, that's where the

horse racing sports at its best. Where the sales are spa, yeah,

and Keelan, the sales, yeah, yeah, You know, Dan likes Keelan

when I like Scott. Yeah, yeah.

No. Dan has three kids.

Yeah, #3 Scott, #2 his daughter and #1 keelan.

Yeah, that's how it is. Speaking of people who are

ranked third, we bring in Scott Isel and this is.

So I have never actually talked to you or.

I've never talked to Scott before.

Are you serious? I've texted with him.

That's not for sure. You.

No, no. So for our anniversary show,

it's that you put Scott on the show or what there he?

Is so for our anniversary show on this little bluey on the ESP

680. And Scott, welcome and thanks

for joining us. Oh, he looks like his dad.

See this was what? Yeah.

See, I was oh, man. I was like okay maybe he looks

like Sherry. Think he's got that going for

him. I.

Wish I. Wish oh.

Yes, Scott joins us. So Scott, the last listener we

had on that hit a big ticket, picked off 40% of the cross

country pick five and turned a $20 ticket into God.

Rob made what 25 grand? That's not about right, that's a

good ticket, $20 into 25 grand is, is a good ticket.

I think on Saturday you would have been totally fine with 25

grand. That is what would happen.

Tell people what did have it, Scott.

So yeah, it's a. I wish I had a better story

about spending hours and hours pouring over the pee pees but

found myself at home alone on Saturday morning.

My wife is a real estate agent was showing a house and the kids

were gone and I said Oh yeah today's the Whitney and

downloaded the pee pees. Spent a good 12 minutes I'll say

pouring through the the pee pees and.

Got to the the last leg and said you know I've I've only got a

you know a 24 multiple here and there's ten horses in this last

race I just hit the all button and and move along so as fate

would have it that was where the money was made that and Cody's

wish getting beat obviously in the Widney.

So in in that way, what a barrio.

Helped out a little bit, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna ask

about the Whitney. So you're looking through the

past performances you just mentioned you spent 12 hours

with them. What did you see in that in that

Whitney? Was that simply just a, did you

go all in that race or was that one where you were like, you

know what, in all the distance there?

No, I had. I had wide of Barrio Zandin and

Cody's wish and that and that was the field or that was the

race that I went the deepest in. For no real other reason other

and and The funny thing is my middle name is Cody and and I

still still win against Cody's wish but why the barrio I'd

followed for a while admired him such a such a good looking horse

and and put him in and then sand on with his you know Derby trail

and and things like that. Had been following him for a

while so it was a race that I went 3 deep in, just cuz I

thought maybe today's not Cody Wish's day.

I went. I called Zandin, the new

Tacitus. Do you agree with me?

Runs in a bunch of big races, gets a check but doesn't win

them. Exactly.

Loves. Loves to hit the board.

Loves to be in the conversation. Yeah, there it is.

Well, Scott Issel joining us from from the Denver area.

Appreciate him jumping on prior to this, what was your biggest

hit? So we're talking about a

$360,000 hit here. I have other I have a question

about his marriage in a minute. But before this, what was your

biggest hit? Scott I have to be honest, I

think mine's like a $1400 pick five or something.

So, so to to correct you it was 3/8.

Well, that's right because you got the the five out of 6.

I had that that multiple times, but prior to this goodness I had

the pick six on Breeders' Cup day.

It was either last year or the year before that.

I think returned 26, but I was in that with about 15 other

guys. So.

So I can't claim that one solo. I'm probably on the same same

wavelength as yourself, maybe 15, fifteen, 1600, something

like that. All right, so walk me through.

You're coming up on the last leg.

You realize you've got all your live jockey.

Change happens. Jose Ortiz ends up on a horse.

I literally was texting with your dad and I said, holy bleep,

he's got Jose Ortiz and Javier Castellano for 360 K Yeah.

Do you tell anyone? Do you?

Do you know? OK.

The the, the only, the only person I told was my dad and I

called him just to say am I looking at the right thing here

on on on on my TVG? And you know the the the the app

has the horses that you have in the last leg and then the

corresponding payouts next to it.

And I looked at it for probably 90 seconds before it dawned on

me that did this Is this really the case?

Do I have the whole pool with? I believe it was the six, 8:00

and 9:00 and I went back and looked at the forum and I the

same thing as you. I said you know the six horse

has a chance here and and and so you know I, I I thought that the

12 and the one both in that race who would have returned

somewhere in the neighborhood of 20,000 definitely had the best

shot. But I, you know, I thought I had

a puncher's chance. And I if you watch the race, the

six horse goes. In like the 6th path into the

first turn. And I said, well, there's there,

that's the end of that. What was the lowest possible

payout? What was the?

Lowest payout was 14 and it was it was the one who who galloped

out well past the six. I think the one was the best

horse in the race. If you go back and watch, he got

in a little bit of trouble. But but as they as they turn for

home, you know I've watched. Probably hundreds of thousands

of races and as they turn for home most of the time I can

identify the winner at that point and I said well here comes

the 12 and the six can't have anything left and and the 12

drew even with him and the and the six when they went eye to

eye, the six horse saw him and just kicked clear in those last

couple of jumps. Good old Joe Sharp.

You know what? You know what makes Joe Sharp

special? He's married to a redhead.

That's what it is. It is.

That's what it is. Got it?

Yeah, a little Rosie Redheaded son.

So he. Does, Yeah.

He calls him a son, but he's like, he's like this.

Yeah, is. That the baseball player?

No. Yes, it.

Is one of them. Yeah, There are a lot of

baseball players. In baseball, how long is the

dance spends all weekend watching baseball?

Yeah, no, that's right. And then curses me because when

he jumps on the show, his grandsons hit home runs and

strike out the side and do that. Yeah, that was the redhead.

Yeah. All right, so.

You are now going to be This is a segment we've been doing.

The first person to be the horse racing one-on-one person for our

group was a woman named Jenna Antonucci.

Have you heard of Jenna Antonucci before?

I have not. Okay.

Well, she trained the Belmont winner this year.

Angela Okay. Yeah, First woman to ever train

a classic winner. And so we had her on.

I shouldn't say that. You've contacted her and she

jumped on the Yeah, yeah. And.

And so she was great And and we said, hey, what is your day

like? And she described your day and

essentially tried to talk everyone in the world out of

becoming a trainer. Yeah, I mean, that's what she

did. So we're going to try to have

you not talk people out of betting because then our sport

goes away and that would be bad. But I wanted to thank our

friends at the Maryland Horse Breeders Association.

And welcome in to Horse Racing 101.

We're going to talk ticket construction with Scott Issel.

I mean, you don't. Want to do the whole like lead

in or what? There's no better time.

It's not what. It's not that one.

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Com. All right, Scott.

So you put this ticket together very quickly.

You and I have very different budgets.

I can't cap for 12 minutes and put together a $240 ticket.

What is your Saturday like usually like, did you?

I'll ask a different question. Today's Thursday.

Did you bet a horseshoe? Indianapolis.

Did you bet Saratoga? Did you bet any of that stuff

today? No.

I I am much more of a fan than I am a better I I follow the

bloodlines. My dad installed that in me at a

young age when we had the broodmare farm in Kentucky.

So I'm, I'm much more of a fan of watching bloodlines,

stallions, especially young stallions, to see who who's

going to be the next in the mischief, who's going to be the

next habit. That's that's my interest in

thoroughbred racing. Typically I'm not a big better

outside of the big days, but when all the eyes are on the

sport I I that's when I will occasionally place place a pick

six ticket or or pick 5. When you're putting that pick

six together this past weekend, you said you didn't go very deep

in a lot of these legs and you mentioned, you know, an angle

that you have which is the breeding side.

I think that's completely legitimate.

Are you just trying to pick winners?

Are you trying to get value? What is what is the Scottish

little approach here? Yeah.

So yeah, I, I, I, you know, when I I went to Business School and

and and got an MB A and they've always loved statistics.

And one thing that I always remembered a professor once

telling me about the stock market is it's not enough to be

right. You got to be different because

if you're right everybody else is going to be right if you're

not different. And so that's something that's

always stuck with me and something that I kind of try to

apply when I'm putting a ticket together.

You know, you you've got to step out at some point if if you want

to, if you want to try to go for a big payout.

I like to make fun of my dad, who who loves to bet pick threes

and the key goes, what's that? We like to make fun of your dad

too. Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of fun If

if he goes 3 deep in a race, he's got the favorite, the

second choice and the third choice.

If he goes too deep in a race he has the favorite and the second

choice and that's and that's where being different comes into

play. You know if you're if you're

going to go and try to to get a big payout.

You know being being different is something that you got to you

got to do. And you know you mentioned Louis

not having maybe the bankroll to to play and all.

There are times when I'll bet every odd horse in the race or

every even horse in the race if I don't have enough to, to go as

deep as betting and all. But in order to to to win and to

win big in paramutual racing, you've you've got to have a

different ticket than everybody else.

So I think it's important to to you know and and usually what I

like to do is in a race, you know, if there's a $10,000

claiming race in it in the mix, that's a good race to go deep.

And in my opinion, because who knows?

You know, these aren't the elite athletes that you see out there.

So follow your follow your fandom the the sires that you

like, the big names that you like and then and then try to

find value in one of those other smaller pots.

All right. So we want to thank again our

friends at Maryland Thoroughbred Maryland thoroughbred.com.

Call them 410-252-2100 to get involved with the Maryland Horse

Breeders Association and all of the good action happening in

Maryland that has been Scott Isel's take on how to build a

winning ticket. A question for Scott.

Then following up. Your horse comes in, the six

comes in, the number's legit and you're married to a woman.

How does? What's the next step after that

So I I I was watching the race live with my youngest son again

I'm the only one in the house that knows what's going on and

and and as the as the 12 horse looks like he's going to to win

and overtake. I thought, well, you know that's

a that's a nice ticket and and and to be real honest, if we're

in the trust tree here, I don't know that I would have told

Kristen about that. But when when there's W twos

involved in in gigantic tax return implications, you know

that that went out the window pretty quick.

But she came down the stairs right as they went under the

wire and I was white as a sheet and I I didn't make a a sound as

they as they were going down the stretch.

I was just sort of in stunned silence.

But evidently I was white as a sheet and she looked at me and

said, what's going on? And I said I need to speak to

you outside for a second. And and we walk out there and

she looks at me and she's almost got tears in her eyes like what

is happening? Like you know what, what what's

going on here? And I said no, no, this is good.

That race I was just watching, I won $380,000 and and it's it's,

it's great and it's awesome. You know, half of it's going to

the government and half of it's going to Kristen.

So I you know. I.

Was about to say. So you, you, you tell your wife,

oh, you know that $100,000 taxes we have to put in this year.

That was just a mistake. Don't worry about it, Hon.

But you know that it it it was the thrill of a lifetime.

It was it was dumb luck I'd I'd love to tell you that I'm the

smartest guy out there. But it'll it'll it'll probably

never happen again. But it was quite a thrill.

There you go, man. Wayne Gretzky, 100% of the shots

you don't take, don't go with you.

That's right. There you go.

That's right, shoot or shoot. He's Scott Issel.

How about that? It's been a minute your dad has

not besmirched your basketball skills on air in a long time.

Do we need to get back to doing that?

Are you still? You still picking the ball up?

You got a little little hoop at home.

What are you doing these days? You know, other than getting

beaten by my sons on occasion, it's it's not something that I

do anymore. As I, as I reached about 40

years of age, all of my skill left and and and and I didn't

have a whole lot of it to start with that, you know, I always

tell my father, if I was his size, I'd be in the Hall of Fame

too. But it's it's it's something

that I I loved as a kid. You know and and loved competing

and loved playing and he never pushed.

He was the greatest in the world as far as he he he would have

rather watched me play baseball than than play basketball.

Probably because you know he'd been there, done that and he

wasn't much of a baseball player.

But no, it's yeah, I don't pick up the ball much anymore other

than to let my kids prove how good they are and how much

better they are than I am. Man.

Scott, really appreciate you coming on.

Congratulations. Thank you.

Better person. So, yeah.

All right, man. We'll talk to you soon.

Good night. Thanks, Scott.

Thank you guys. All right, so that's pretty

amazing stuff right there. It's just a good reminder to

like. It's one of the reasons look.

And Dan just left the backroom. I mean, like he's.

Done. Dad's gone now.

It's a reminder, though, for people listening, like #1.

You don't know which day is going to be your day.

Yeah, exactly right. Which is awesome.

But it's another reminder to, if you feel strongly about

something, like Scott mentioned, go for it.

You also have to have a short memory.

You got to kind of be, you know, as kids play baseball.

You got to kind of be a closing pitcher and just let it go.

And it doesn't work right. I mean, it's just once as well.

Yeah, there you go. All right, let's move on to our

next story because this is something I think it's kind of

interesting. OK, so the the Preakness has

come out and said that they want to move the the start date of

the Preakness to be 4 weeks after the Derby, which basically

puts it you know last week of May, 1st week of June depending

on how the calendar falls. By the way, before we get too

deep into this conversation, let's give full credit.

This is third by Daily News. Bill Finley was the one who got

the scoop on this. All right, I have a lots of lots

of comments about this. Well, I'm really, actually very

interested. First off, I just don't think it

matters. What does that mean?

Well, the Triple Crown in essence, is really something

entitled only the Triple Crown doesn't affect the Kentucky

Derby whatsoever. The only race that benefits from

the Triple Crown is a Preakness. And if they want to remove

themselves from the equation and just basically the Triple Crown

would just cease to exist. I mean, that's exactly what

would happen because I don't think we're going to see

Belmont. Push back all they could.

They, I mean, they have. If I'm Belmont, by the way, I

move everything up to the same week as pregnancy, Yeah, And

then it'd say the next. The next jewel is the Haskell.

Well, that will never happen because you'll never have two

come out of the same like naira. You won't have two.

You wouldn't have two things in the.

Traskells in New Jersey. Oh, that's right.

That's right. The Haskell.

You didn't see that Travers. I heard the Travers when I said

Travis earlier. You said the Haskell though, I

you know. That's the danger here for them.

It could be or just the chill crumbs goes away because at the

end of the day. Again, the Belmont.

The Triple Crown has no effect on the Belmont because most of

the time the Belmont doesn't have a triple.

Crown years like this, there's no extra inset of.

The Derby is going to be the Derby regardless.

The only race that benefits is the race, and they're trying to

get better horses in that race because there's only one horse

that can win the Triple Crown and if it makes the Preakness

better then let's go for it. I just don't think the Triple

Crown pieces is that big of a deal.

Here's what I think they're doing, and I think it's really

smart. They're going to make it move to

Saint Anita. They're going to move the

previous to Saint Anita. Gull St.

Which they could do. Here's what they're actually

doing. OK.

You are in real estate. I am.

Do you always put your best offer out there first?

Depends on the situation, yeah. You've done it before, yeah.

Have you not put out your best? You bought a house with me?

We did not put out our best. Offer the 100.

Percent, this is not their best offer.

No. This is not their best.

Offer so three weeks the compromise.

That is the compromise. That's what they're trying to.

Get to and get Belmont to go. That's why they're going to beg

Belmont to do that, yes. Yeah.

And do you feel like that makes that much of a difference?

Yes, interesting. I think 3 weeks is a way

different amount of time off the two weeks way different.

I think, I think you're still going to see trainers that are

going to look at their investment and know that's.

Never going away, right? But if you can, increase the

number of Derby horses in the Preakness to three or four every

year. Changes the game, man.

Yeah, so that's what I saw this news.

I smiled and I thought, this is them coming to the table and

saying we've got pocket aces and everyone going, no, you don't.

Yeah, you don't have anything. No, you don't.

You have a decrepit facility. You need to be way better about

how you take care of things out there.

You have a base in Maryland and we've hung out with some of

these people that are wildly passionate about the sport.

Their passion and their facilities do not match the

enthusiasm. They don't.

And it's been the oldest, the oldest one of all children

around races. So, and that trophy, the Voss, I

mean. The Voss I mean like.

Trophy in sports. Sports.

Can I add one more? Oh, it's yeah, you lived the.

Stronic wants to get rid of it. You think so?

This is the way that they do that.

They say they're they're signaling, listen, we're going

to move it four weeks out because we just don't care

anymore. And they're hoping that someone

will will swoop in and be like, no, no, no, we'll take care of

this. We'll buy it.

Yeah, right. Might be a sales, might be a

sales thing too. Yeah, you know.

You know, not selling things to Barry Spears.

Do you have a Preakness reaction, my friend?

Hold on, I want to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

I I think you know, they they just are in a tough spot all the

way around because you Derby day is definitely the biggest day,

right? Sure.

Preakness is like the the the stepchild of the whole bunch

because there's no real foothold, because everybody ran.

Those big races on Derby day coming back two weeks is is not

going to be conducive to like the whole card.

You know all those grade one races on Derby day, you get

local state bread kind of steaks at at Maryland.

They they don't have any leverage here to to start trying

to move things around. It's going to ruin their day and

it's going to ruin the Triple Crown.

You know Belmont is the pillar. The two pillars are the Derby

and and the Belmont. The rest are just details do.

You think do you do you do either you remember like back in

the day when visa like you got points for each racing like they

gave they gave a prize at the end like would something like

that be a better? Was it like a the visa?

Is the visa. Crown thing, yeah, yeah.

It was a good idea that, you know, it kept people in it.

They wanted to run in the Preakness.

And now it's like, it's always a crapshoot whether the winner

wins the Derby. It's always like, I don't know

if we're gonna go to the Preakness in two weeks.

I don't know why you would honestly like it really makes.

Well, the way they train horses nowadays, it doesn't make any

sense. Everybody's at least three

weeks. Away.

We're seriously concerned about horse safety and it does not

make sense. Why would you no run out of two

weeks? No, I would.

I would personally. An extra week would be good.

If they went three weeks, fine and that would work out for

everybody. But yeah, what they want, what

Pimlico wants is, is just ridiculous and it's not going to

work. Let's do it real quick.

No. Let's play the hypothetical out

here. Let's say they go to three weeks

between the races. Would it change how you feel

about a horse winning all three? No, it wouldn't change a thing

for me. How about?

Me neither. Like I remember 2020 when they

when they moved to Belmont. First Derby second, Preakness,

third. I said out loud on their show.

If someone wins all three of those, that's a Triple Crown.

It's. Hard to win.

It's impossible. That's that was impossible.

That was impossible. To go Belmont first.

Well, and it was. It was that one turn mile and an

eighth to remember. They didn't even do the full

mile and a half because it was the first one.

And then they came here and there were like eight of us

there. And then, you know, freaking

Swiss skydiver wins the Preakness.

I mean, that was a wild year, man.

Authentic loses to her or the Preakness and comes back a month

later. Keelan wins the pretest Cup

Classic. So, and that was a weird year,

man. Impressive fashion.

It was awesome. Yeah, Yeah.

So all. Right.

What baseball hat you get on? It is the Expos.

Oh all. Right.

That is the That is an Expos. That is a batting practice hat.

How about that? Yes, it is.

Yes, that is correct. The red one.

Yeah, that's that's. Also, I wanted to comment on the

Mortal Kombat 2 machine behind. Oh yeah.

Oh yeah. That is one of the things I

love. The sports history, by the way,

The Expos. We do have a we have a question

on Twitter if if or on the video here.

I don't know if we can find it, but I think it was from

Stephanie asking why do we care about the Triple Crown?

Are there not other bigger issues in the sport?

I think embedded in this conversation about the Triple

Crown is horse safety though. It's about stretching these

races out so that the horses are safer running with a little bit

more time off. And so I would say that this

conversation. I mean, I think it's cool if

someone does it, like whenever Pharaoh did and justified that

it was cool, but. At the end of the day, like you

know, it's not the three best 3 year old races.

Yeah, but you're you're in it. Yeah, you're not.

Joe, watch the races. You know, 5 * 6 * a year.

So right. Well, there's there's a lot of

reasons, you know, like the Triple Crown is important,

especially because it's it could be a gateway to get people

involved into the sport. You know I I've met a lot of

people that have said Oh well I saw the Derby in whatever year

and so and so won and that's when I became involved in the

sport. So that that's a good thing

because it is essentially the only thing that this industry

does correctly up till now. You know now or they might screw

it up, but you know the Triple Crown events is what has always

worked. For whatever reason, good, bad

or otherwise, it's always worked.

And to mess with that at this point when we're at our kind of

lowest, I don't know if that's a good thing.

The reality though, is that I don't know if it gets people

that interested in the sport. I think it gets them interested

in those three races. Yeah, that's true that that can

happen. I I guess we haven't leveraged

it the right way over the years to.

Try to grab. People and keep them in.

But you and I both, we had, we were all excited about watching

Flight Line last year, OK? The people in Louisville who are

not horse racing fans, they're Derby fans.

They have no idea. The other horses that are

running on that car. Sure.

And when we were, you know, because we're in the sports

radio scene, obviously you a little bit more than me.

But I think I was doing, for whatever reason, I was doing

more sports radio at that time. We had people who had no idea

who Flightline was. Oh, sure.

I mean, and it. Was just that goes to Barry's

point though, that good, bad or indifferent?

The Triple Crown matters. I mean, it just does.

And and to the point that even Fox bought the Belmont rights.

I did a terrible job, but yeah. Well, of course.

Well, look, when you have Gus Johnson available and you don't

have him called the Belmont, you screwed up.

That's just what? It is.

Let's get, let's get creative. You'd be great.

Did you watch that broadcast? Yes, I I taped it actually, just

so I could criticize it afterwards if you if you did,

I'm almost positive that, he said.

For the 11th straight year, the Belmont Stakes has only

three-year olds in it. Almost positive.

Pretty sure that did happen. Happened.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh.

That's awesome. Well, it's true, it is.

True, 11 straight years of only three-year olds at Belmont.

I mean more than that. But it's still true, because

they got, like, the Little League picture from the

Dominican Republicans. Really, 15 years?

Oh man. Oh yeah.

Alright, what are we talking to? We're going to Colonial down.

So go to Colonial. First, yeah, we'll handicap was

there. There you go.

Alright, we're gonna start with the 2nd carried stakes, which is

of course Secretary is from the state of Virginia.

He's not a Kentucky bred and a lot of people don't realize

that. Even though Kentucky continues

to put his soaks on their jerseys, keep going UK jerseys?

Yeah, they should. Probably.

Stop doing that. Why?

Because it's not Lexington. Keep going.

All right, Well, all right. Ray State is the Grade 2

Secretary of Stakes. One mile on the turf for

three-year olds, 500,000. You know what?

This is the 11th straight year that this race is only $500,000

on the line here. Who did you like in this one,

Louie? I pulled my pee pees.

Man, I I'm interested here, Barry, and I'd love to hear your

opinion too. In in this kind of race, when

people are shipping in, it's interesting once in a while

because you get like a grand motion who's got a good base

already, a Colonial, or you get, you know, a Mark Cassie, who's

got a good base, a colonial. Does that matter in these races

to people? We do see plenty of turf

shippers come in and win these races.

Pick them off in these spots, But I do think the Naji rock.

I've no idea how to say the horse's name.

The three here is an interesting one because that horse does

nothing but hit the board and be involved in in finishes.

You know, four straight runs here with Lobby and Pratt.

The worst finish is by about oh man, a length of 3/4 last time

out at at Belmont in the Manila. It's the kind of horse that is

if they're always there at the end, they've got a chance to

win. That's kind of how I look at

these two turn term races and so I've got him on top.

I would also include most stashes here, Barry because he's

going to inherit the lead I think and I think there's I I

think Flora Giroux is a good front running jockey.

I think that's what he does well he he can, he can time these

kinds of races. I'll be interested to see him.

And eventually Charlie Appleby is not going to be winning at

20% in North America. So I do think so.

Cold right now to be. Honest, very cold right now to

me, that cannot last and so I think the ones got a shot here I

went 3-4 one. I'm a little chalky here.

He's not going to earn $8000 Pick 6.

Definitely not, not, Not with this race in there, but I kind

of thought this race was a little lacking in the in the.

Pace department and I and I give the edge in this race to

moustache. He he really should set some

real tepid fractions here and I don't.

I don't see anybody that can kind of dictate to places.

It's just him. I think the other horse,

Gigante, the two was in the American Derby with moustache

and and couldn't get the lead that day, even though he kind of

goes for the lead. He didn't get it and he probably

won't on Saturday so I'm going to take most stash on top here

and I and I think also major dude looks pretty good I I don't

I'm I'm not sure if we've seen the best of him yet because his

you know if you look I don't know if you guys use buyers or

not but his buyer figures are kind of plateaued at 93.

And it's probably going to be closer to 100 to win this race.

He kind of got so, so bad trip last time that kind of forced

him to go a little wide and he didn't have the same punch at

the end. Got passed by Nagara.

Talk OF the NATION more than looks, but I think he's a lot

better than what that showed. And I think he may show up.

And then the last horse I kind of threw in as a as kind of a

horse that's kind of on the upswing is the 8 T at one.

I'll give that one a shot at a big price to kind of round

things out. Yeah, I.

Think you're going to get everybody 15 to one there.

So mustache last win was in the Transylvania.

Oh no. The horse won on a big stage

before, for sure, in restricted company owned by BB and race.

Oh, how about that? There you.

Go. There you go.

No checkerboard there. No game all the time.

Now it'll be getting up. Postgame stuff, You know, let's.

Do a daughter there. Now I got daughter there.

You're gonna be you're gonna be unplugging the postgame show.

It's gonna. Be great.

Oh, you're the man. If I need a cohost on the

postgame show. You wanna do a Kentucky postgame

show? Sure.

Yeah, I mean, how much fun would you have, Barry?

I mean. Oh man, it's so much fun.

It's a whole nother level of interesting people.

I want Barry to have to listen to the BBN post game callers.

That's what I want. I want.

I want Barry to have to deal with the absolute filth of

callers that we get on that. Imagine going to Walmart rather

than Kentucky. Oh man.

That's rough. That's it.

That is 100% of what it is. I do like the Beverly deal.

All right, this is one of Louie's favorite races.

This is the Beverly. Half a million dollars mile on 3

sixteenths on the outer turf at Colonial Dance.

This is for three-year olds and up.

Phillies and Mayors. Looks like Barry go first here.

Who's like this one, Barry? This race was kind of crazy

because I really didn't think it was a Grade 1 field.

I mean, FEV Rover is probably the the horse that's probably

going to get bet the horse to beat, but I I really don't like

that horse very much. I I think that that win at

Woodbine was a little bit inflated.

Based on the yielding turf course that day, I think that

one just liked it and everybody else kind of didn't.

So I'm going to try to go away from the one here.

The horse that that's really interesting to me, who I'm going

to pick on top is Gina Romantica the Six.

I like. It I like when horses come for

their first start of the year. And they run a race that's

similar to the last race they ran.

And that's what this horse did at Monmouth on June 17th.

It was a similar kind of race off the bench.

Probably needed it. The horse was in good position,

just didn't win. Now gets Pratt and stretching

out a little bit, which will be probably the key.

This horse I saw break is made and way back when.

Just look like a turf horse and and they kind of went away from

that. They they started running this

horse on on the dirt for a little while.

Then once he got on turf or once she got on turf, she kind of

blossomed and I think that's going to continue here.

The other horse that I thought was kind of who's.

The foreign horse Romanga Romanga Romagna, Romagna Mia.

I think that horse is, is is very good, just needs a little

softer company and getting that on on Saturday, you know running

grade one, Group One, group two Group 3 races over in Europe is

definitely you know coming over here it's a drop in class.

So I'm going to give that one a shot and then after that it it's

it's it's really up for grabs. I mean those Those seem like the

only two to me. And if you want to throw in the

one you know just because that horse is probably pretty good,

you know winning those or coming close to winning group twos over

in in Newmarket, Leopardstown, Ireland.

So we'll we'll put that one third the.

Only horse he didn't mention that I think has a legitimate

shot. Here is Diddy of the five of the

Argentinian bread I thought he was going.

Yeah, I did too. Nacho Correias and you get Vasil

Shamino. The interesting thing here is

that Shamino has moved his mouth. 2 Colonial.

So you actually get him locally here.

I think she's got a legit shot here, four straight wins before

finishing second in the grade one New York last time out

behind market segmentation, a Chad Brown trainee and so to me

has seen that class before. I think actually even though

this is a great one, I agree with Barry, it's a great 1 minus

grade, 2 plus whatever you want to call it.

I think she's getting a little bit of class relief from that

New York race to here I have. Did he on top here, the five?

Yeah. Where's she been?

That was my only problem with that horse.

Why hasn't she run since June? I think they gave her a little

bit of a freshener here because she ran in three pretty good,

pretty good fields before that. I I Nacho Creus does this.

We see him more in the Midwest here.

He does this with the forces at Churchill and then with Ed Ellis

and up in Indianapolis, that kind of stuff.

But I'm with you, man. I I think she's good off of

freshening though, too. Yeah, I mean, I I thought or I

think she's going to take a lot of money.

She's she's, you know won twice at Colonial, which a lot of

these can't say they have wins there.

But yeah, we're going to try something different on it.

Go away from that one. Sure.

All right. It's it's old timers day.

So we're going to go through the to the Arlington million, $1

million on the line a mile and a quarter on the outer turf.

This is for three rolls and up, but I don't think there's any

three-year olds in this race. I think there's the youngest

horse in this year, five. Well there's there's four year

olds. OK.

Lots of familiar names but names have been around for a long

time. That's one of the things we say,

you're going to love horse racing, fall in love with these

horses that are going to they're gonna go for a while.

Nothing like a good gelding originally.

Mike, is setpiece actually using a Walker to go around the track

or how does? That man, that horse seems that

one in Rock Emperor. They seem like they've been

running forever. They're both born in 2016,

Masterpiece also in 2016. So who do you like in this one,

Louis? Are you?

Set Piece won a grade three this year.

Sure, it's wild. No, it's wild.

You've run forever. I mean, whatever.

Twelve wins and 28 lifetime runs.

I think Set Piece is gonna get nowhere near the finish of this

one. I think it's way too worse if

we're mentioning Set Piece here, who I really like, who we

watched. Man it was a Derby day and oaks

day but one of the great moves up the rail in church that we've

ever seen really fine horse so I'm not I'm not knocking him

here overall for the career but just for this spot I don't think

he's got much of a chance is never explain the two the kind

of horse that just jumps up again I got van Saul show me

know again for some reason for suge ran in that Bowling Green

last time behind channel maker Verstappen was was coming.

At the end and then seem to lose some of that momentum in the

mile and 3/8. We get to go a little bit

shorter than that here, but not a whole lot.

I just, I'm interested to see if if he can get back up and get

that that what we saw in the dinner party where he closed so

well at Pimlico. Can we get that form back?

I love the number at 6:00 to 1:00, so I'm going to use him on

top here in my handicapping. I think after him you look at a

horse like a tone, like what version of that horse is going

to show up? And we get Carmouche.

That's where they're shipping in from New York.

So I'm interested to see if Kendrick gets the job done.

Last time Kendrick rode this horse at Aqueduct though, going

two turns horse one. So maybe, you know, maybe

there's something there. So I don't know.

Easy to look at that dinner party and see that he finished

fifth in a blanket finish by one, right.

That was a crazy finish. We were there, was awesome.

And so I think that you could look at the tone and and like

him here. I think it's a totally

legitimate play as well. Catnip is a weird horse, man,

and it's one that he's been in really good form.

He's been running well at Monmouth sometimes, that Sandy,

you know, that Sandy turf course translates well in other places,

Sometimes it doesn't. But I think Catnip's worth using

here, especially if you can get a price at all On him, is an

eighth one Right now. He's hit the board a lot, so if

you if you're going to hit the board for you, he's doing that.

I wanted to ask Barry who's the better brown here, A guy who's

won this race for four times. Yeah, Rock Emperor.

Or is it actually or or something different?

I mean I I just I'm is it a domo the 9:00 and I can't figure that

horse out the. City or not, nobody can, Not

even Chad Brown can. You know, he just, he runs in

all grade ones and he gets beat every time.

You know, he, he got kind of lucky, I thought in the United

Nations that he won, but yeah. Not like in the post.

Not like I'm I'm on the same same horse you are I like never

explained. I I think that that last run in

the Bowling Green is real telling because Channel maker

basically got gifted a lead, went very slow and won just

totally against this horse's style and that kind of sets this

horse up well for. For the race on Saturday,

because you know this pace is probably going to be a little

bit more honest and the good track the last time, the good

turf. I don't think this horse really

loved it and I think a bounce back effort is in order with

that slow pace and everything. This time it should be a

different story. I, I, I like never explained

quite a bit here. Alright, we're going to stay on

the turf. We're going to go a little

further north, just a little bit up to Saratoga.

A little bit, a little bit. It always takes $150,000, five

and a half fur long Sprint, a little turfs for an action here

for for Phillies, for three-year old Phillies.

Where did you land on this one, Barry?

My PP's are slow, right? Do you want me to go look at?

Stone silent the 9 lone speed. I don't think.

Anybody else can for for a 5 1/2 throwing race.

There's really not much speed in this race and I thought that one

was the fastest at the distance, early and often.

Winner, winner. And I like love rains behind

that one too. I'm going to play that cold

exacta 98, little Ricardo and Steve Ass once in getting back

together. Again, 1/5 of their toga

together, yeah. No, they're actually on fire

right now. Ricardo with the right trainers

at Saratoga's actually having a nice meet.

It's just he gets so many bums that his percentage looks so

bad. But he's actually riding really

well right now. 7 seconds on top of six wins so far at the

meeting. And I mean just boy, I cannot

believe it. Barry and I arrived on the same

horse in this race. So many freaking horses.

Well, I mean, especially we are talking about a horse that ran

two straight lands races in Horseshoe.

Correct. But if you look at the times

that horse is running 55 and just.

I mean just fast, fast and we've watched horses come out of

horseshoe and go to other tracks and win, right?

And so that that turf course seems to travel as well to other

places. I agree with very on Stone

Silent. I do think of course Love Race

has a legit shot here, but if you have an opinion about this

race and wanted to go deeper, go you know, with a longer price, I

would not fault you at all because I do think these are the

kinds of races, especially quick turf sprints also at the listed

level. Kind of get what you get.

And now if you wanted to find someone else maybe like a lot of

appeals who just ran well and lost my neck at at Monmouth last

time out, that's the kind of horse, the four horse, 6:00 to

1:00 here you get. Manny Franko, Christoph Coleman.

That could be the kind of horse as well.

You know who's also sneaky is the two horse beauty of the sea.

I think that one's going to make an appearance.

It'd be right around the, you know.

Right right around it. At the end of this, this race,

that last race in the blue sparkler.

It was a pretty good race. It was.

It was fast and I wouldn't, I wouldn't discount that horse at

a decent price. All right, there you go.

So I just gave out the triple right there.

There it is the the all right. So I'm gonna pay Barry the big

bucks. The stereo code special, which

is the how do you say Herb's last name?

Mullis Malee? How do you say that?

Mullis Well I don't know it's not but you are the linguists so

$200,000 first I. Just say it confidently.

It's like it's like wearing a credential at a racetrack.

You just walk past people. You just get to see a little 2

year old action here on the dirt. 6 1/2 furlongs or first

one of our first looks, these two rolls and I already got a

favorite in this race because there's a horse named Lasso.

You know, you gotta love all those references.

OK, Yeah. Are you a Ted Lasso fan?

I've only saw one episode. How could you only watch one

episode and? I know my buddy Chuck is.

He's always as he's like, you need to watch that show.

So I gotta get on it. Simon likes that show.

Okay, I'm actually like, legit. Yes, I think it does.

He's a big fan of it. Ever been created?

All right. Well, okay, that's two people

that I. I consider different in taste.

And so if you both like it, it's probably pretty good.

I've never watched it. That's probably good.

Oh yes, that's right. That's probably good.

So these I love these races. By the way, I don't know if

Barry feels the same way because you can actually go back and

watch all the replays and not kill yourself, right?

I mean, like you can actually go watch two races.

Well, no, there's like 10 replays to watch or whatever.

But actually because they're two year olds, you can go back and

you can say OK, if they break better from the gate, they're

going to, they're going to run better or if they you know.

If a horse like who was I edified for example that horse

was in a race at at the Churchill part of the Ellis meet

for example is the asthmas and training here.

And that horse gets out and there's a bunch of traffic and

just waits, waits its turn and then little tap tap from Joel

Rosario and that horse just makes the move on the looks like

you've been at it forever. That's right.

And so sometimes you see that and you're like, okay, that

horse can do it again. Because if you watch rhyme

schemes last time out, that horse is 4 to 5 for a reason.

But two year olds don't go back-to-back like that very

often. They just don't.

And I love Norm Cassie. I think he's, I think he is

supplanted. He has supplanted Dale Romans as

the best trader of two year olds in our circuit.

And I think that he's doing a terrific job.

He's having a nice meet up at Saratoga as well, 3 for six.

That's a good start. It's a good.

Start and so winning over 25% of his races, how do you, how do

you handicap these races Barry I guess is how I would ask you.

This, this is one is tough because like you said, you know,

typically 2 year olds don't pair up numbers like that.

You know you got a 94 buyer not ideal to to come back with a 94.

I mean, it's probably almost impossible, but if this horse

regresses like to, let's say they run an 80, still probably

win this race, that's the only thing that horse doesn't have to

be, you know? As good as he was in the last

race in order to win this one. But there was a couple horses

that that kind of caught my eye. Market Street and Wood Court.

The two and the three more the 2:00 because of the experience

ran in the Sanford last time didn't get a good break.

I mean really stumble badly and and just kind of packed it in.

So I'm willing to forgive that effort, and I don't really think

that horse really needs the lead.

Because I don't think they're going to want to go heads up

with the rhyme schemes. But you know, strange things

have happened if the coach wins a race like this.

I mean, it's almost like it's supposed to happen, but we'll

see. Do you have a top selection

here? I went 654.

I thought that edified. I just love that move in the

maiden race. Went back and watched Hall.

I think that's more of me trusting Todd Fletcher in this

spot than anything else. Yeah, 623.

So, you know, I thought that three ran pretty good first, You

know, second time out after, you know, those 4 1/2 furlong races

are kind of tough because if you don't get out, you're just kind

of finished. And that's what happened.

And then the source came back one pretty big Did it nicely

over at Ellis, and why not give it a shot here?

We didn't really seem like come out this race from last year,

but the year before that gun, I finished second.

Oh, there's a ton of horse. This is a big time, yeah.

Yeah, Warrior One, Exaggerator One, this race.

Kind of area one this race. So you know, you see, this is

where you should start paying attention.

Union rags back in the day one this race.

Yeah, the Spring 2 year old stakes less.

When you get to this time of year and start seeing these two

year olds, we're seeing a British Cup preview.

Here, yeah, this is. These are definitely horses that

are thinking that they go the juvenile.

So, yeah, so start paying attention a little bit.

Well, one thing about the three Wood court.

You see who that horse is now in Brendan Walsh's barn but came

out of John Ennis' barn. I mean he basically grooms these

these two year olds to win early and then sell them you know to

be in races like this. So I think that one is, is very

well meant whether you know he can win or not on on Saturday is

another story. But I I would think that that

horse probably has a little more run than they're giving credit

for in the morning line. And every single one of these

horses, except for Market Street that you all talked about, it's

coming off a win, which is kind of kind of cool, kind of fun.

It's cool. All right. four-star Dave,

$500,000 race mile inner turf course here at Saratoga for

three-year olds and up you get something to say.

To me, it looks like you know the call when we're on video, so

I'm making it look like I'm interested in what?

You're talking about all right, the the Annapolis Handicap here.

Well, no that. Would cause a creates back in.

So is that what it is? Are we looking at a match race

between those two? Yeah, pretty much.

I mean, Casa Creed that that horse is, is really, really

good. I mean we we should talk more

about him more often because he he's very good.

If you look at all his his races, he's just always there.

He's at long distances, at short distances.

I mean, he won this race last year.

Fairly easily. And I think he's going to do it

again in sort of the same fashion.

There's really not much in here to beat anyway.

I mean, the three, seriously, my sea cottage come on full screen.

I mean, I wouldn't doubt if those horses, one of them

scratches. Emmanuel's a horse that I I kind

of like. He's gotten a little bit better

since he's rated, but I don't think that's going to help him

in this case because he's not a better closer than Casa Creed.

So he's in a tough spot and he he'll probably have to get

involved a little earlier from the from the rail, which

probably isn't ideal. But yeah, it it it really looks

like Casa Creed, Annapolis and Ice Chocolate Cold.

This is Barry and I are usually very different on races.

I could not agree more if someone's gonna upset the apple

cart. Here it is, the seven.

I shunk a lot. Just a really just a really.

He had a terrible trip in the Kelso and still made a problem

out of it. I mean, a terrible, legitimate,

terrible trip in the Kelso. It was still there at the end

within 3 lengths under Flavia and Pratt.

I don't it's it's a step down to Joel Rosario, but it's not some

kind of, you know, cataclysmic step down to Joel Rosario and

so. Joel's winning races these days,

so you kind of well, so he's doing that correct?

And he wasn't heckering the board like crazy as well.

And this is the kind of horse like Barry just mentioned that

can come in second or third and exact or trifectic really make

you smile all. Right.

That's her handicapping special today.

There you go. Yeah, we're all there.

Barry, thanks for joining us. Anytime fellas.

Love, love being on with you guys.

Well, you've been on. Quite a bit this year.

I was talking yeah, today about Barry coming on the show, and

Barry's only comment was remind Barry that I beat his ass in the

in the drinking dress. That's right.

Yeah, you did. So those who you are, how about

that? I think like two of my horses

got scratched too. I think it was bad.

At least two, yeah. You got the first pick, you get

sports. And then they're like, yeah, not

so much. Yeah, there it is.

And I had the Japanese horse. Capper, urban, anti capper on

all the socials. Make sure you go follow him.

Going in circles does a huge set of a set of work around us here,

so obviously that's going on right now.

He mentioned earlier as good as you're going to get and it's a

substack thing, so you can go support them there as well.

Going in circles every Monday as well with Barry.

We appreciate him jumping on, man.

Good luck this weekend. Thanks.

Good luck. Catch those tickets, man.

All right. So let's everybody know what's

going on with first Gen. Sports.

OK Yeah. How much of an update are we

getting? Let's do it.

All right. We just do the whole thing.

Zach, you want to jump in with us?

I think overall people want to know.

I mean, they haven't been this idea firstgensports.com because

the football, the football covers can start picking up,

picking up. We had some nice, really nice

coverage over the summer of NBA Finals and NBA Draft.

Our guy Jay Davis does that coverage, and he came back and

did a ranking of his favorite NBA players of all time by

decade. Was Thistle in there?

Yes, as an also as a like a honorable mention.

Honorable mention in the sense also eligible, So.

He was a thorough mention. In the 70s, he was wait.

A minute. How many guys from each decade

did he go with 5? OK, I can probably.

OK. So he would have probably been

like 6. I mean he had to be doing great.

He actually, what's interesting is the longest piece outside of

the top five guys is about this and how underrated he

essentially is if you go to it. So two 80s or 70s we should.

Be and I mean you have to keep in mind that the 70s was split

leagues until 75. So it's it's really hard to make

a top five decision there. But essentially it was like

Kareem, Dr. J, like the names you hear you're like Okay, yeah.

And he put artists ahead of Dan and we asked Dan about it and

Dan said yes, I agree artist was a better overall basket and I I

don't think he's a better score. Like, that's not a question, but

artist has a rebounder defensive player.

So you know what else as people as we get into football season

with the people like paid. Yeah.

So we're going to, we're going to start a I'm.

Totally throwing this. No, that's all right.

Series. I wanted to give you the top

five. Kareem.

Julius Erving. Jon Havelichick was his top

five. Rick Barry.

And then artist Gilmore was his top five.

Honorable mentions Elvin Hayes, Bob McAdoo, Tiny Archibald.

Walt Frazier. Dan Issel Willis Reed and Dave

Cowan. That's a group.

That's a decade. Yeah, right.

So no, I thought Jay did a really nice job with that.

But one St. gensports.com. We started doing this.

I do something every Saturday based around the races that

we've handicapped on this show. So if you want to see my my pics

essentially in written for me talking through them, you can

check that out. Our guy Kevin Kilwright at Trust

Your Luck on Twitter comes on every Friday with Dan and me.

He's presented by the Kentucky HPPO.

He has been writing what Did we miss from the week before and

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Essentially any day that we run in Kentucky any day that NYRO

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Once that championship meet picks up at Gulfstream, we're

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we're going to put those together.

And then unlike our, you know, the the, the traditional pick

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we're going to have football during the football season, a

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football or the NFL. So on Thursdays you'll get some

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Saturday get into the big games and then Sunday we'll have a

full slate of NFL. Yeah, there it is.

We go my SEC kids or you're actually gonna be a confident

person. I'm kidding, man.

You cover it like crazy. I'm actually gonna be I was

gonna I think I'm gonna have an article out a little bit closer

to the start of the season just about the over under on the wins

total about which ones I like and which ones I don't like.

So be on the lookout for that. So yeah, what a bunch of great

stuff. We're also gonna have some

guests in the Gold Book. Do people know maybe a little

Danis? Little appearance.

OK. Well, Scott is, we should

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Zach's been working really hard on that, too, Zach.

Yes. What are you talking about?

I don't do any work. I just hang out, just have a

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That's right. All right, man.

Zach, anything to add to that? What's that?

Anything to add to it about the Christian sports getting broken

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All right. Centerfold coming out of me of

Mr. November. Oh my Margo.

Bobby offered $1,000,000 to sell our feed pics.

What do you think? You're beautiful.

Yeah, easy people. If they're into grotesque

things, Harry. Harry Toenails the ingrown toy

with Plus coming out of Oh no, not that.

I mean, I'd say that Mike had an only fans account called Big

Fudge, but I know there's somebody already has it.

Yeah, don't go to that. I do have to give a shout.

I got Mike Mills is going to the Arlington Million this weekend,

but he's a Virginia guy. He's excited to see grade one in

the state of Virginia. I will actually be in Virginia

on Saturday, so shout out to Mike Mills who's been on this

show, refused to go shirtless with us, so he's not really a

friend of the show. I still think he qualifies, so I

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