Surf & Turf 2023

Here we. Go.

All right. Welcome to the horse racing

happy hour. Listen, I'm doing this on my

own. I'm trying to do it all you know

well on the own on a Monday. All my yeah.

We got we got ghosted by our producers act today but that's

all right. You know he's got a real job.

You know whatever that one you know.

Yeah, sure. So yeah, August 31st, last day

of August. You know when you start thinking

about like especially when you get into September like you guys

start thinking Breeders' Cup is like really almost here.

Like we're we're in the home stretch, we're going to talk

about a lot of races today that will factor into the Breeders

Cup conversation. We're gonna, I mean, it's here

like the fields are taking shape.

There's still some questions to ask, like how are we getting to

San Anita? That's one question that we're

trying to figure out. Where are we gonna stay?

You know, that kind of thing. Should we open with that?

I mean, should we start? Should we put it in the ether

and see if someone wants to help us out?

I mean, I'm not do that on the show.

I'm not even talking about. Yeah, I mean, we'll take

suggestions, right? Like, yeah, I guess so.

I mean, I don't, I'm not gonna. I'm not, like, sitting here with

my hat out trying to beg or anything like that.

So and I should have a hat. I should be the one with a hat,

by the way. Because you're bald hair.

I'm bald AF. I mean, as the kids would say.

Yeah, no, it's not like you're getting a nice glitter off the

light off your head today too. So it is just solid shiny shiny

band then like. I mean, yeah, I mean we're we

were looking at it right now. We want to we we want to kind of

go, I mean I don't know how much you want to divulge.

Yeah, I mean, we kind of want to hit Sanford Golden Gate before

they close down, right? See our guy, Matt Dinnerman.

Absolutely. Let's talk.

Let's call it what it is we want to see.

Our I want to see the duck. Yes, in them, you know.

That's all I want to see. If he gets us up on the roof of

the in the callers move that feels next level.

Do you think three of us can be up there at the same?

Time. I don't know.

We might have to take, we might have to take individual, like,

rotations. Yeah.

And then with my weight, they might be like, Nope, sorry, bro,

not going to happen. But I definitely want to go

check it out before before it closes down.

I definitely want to see Matt in action because we think so much.

You know what? I think your mic's been off.

All right. Let me We're there now.

All right. So yeah, but you're good.

I mean. Yeah, it's all fair to you.

All right. Yeah.

So now, now Louie's back on the show, but they probably heard

you a little bit. My mic?

I'm probably screaming. Yeah, yeah, so.

But yeah, so Golden Gate Fields is on the table.

Then getting, renting a car, driving down to that, was that

Monday? Because they're running on

Mondays as fault. I think it's a great idea.

And then, yeah, we'd get down to San Anita in time to go to the

turf rider meetings and do all that stuff.

Do a little the morning stuff, you know, let's Sherva show us

around. I agree with that and maybe

maybe I'm just saying throwing it out there, little Jose

Contreras little Taco truck during the week.

I'm just don't know. I mean, I'm all about checking

that out to you. So we, and I think if we not if

when we get down to San Anita, I just envision a whole lot of

there's going to be a lot of bonus coverage.

Oh yeah. That's what the beautiful thing

about this little recorder is, right?

Like we can. It's so mobile.

We can pop up and do a show pretty much anywhere.

No, that's right. So look, I mean shout out Jim

Glux and made sure when we saw him in Preakness that we were

making it way out there and not just us.

No, no, it only. Is Dan gonna be with you guys?

Yes. OK, Well, then you guys are

pretty much credentialed. Good.

Yeah, that's that's even we did get that e-mail Jim, I I will

get that back to you tomorrow. Oh, yeah.

Did I have something I had to do for that?

Nope. OK, great.

No, you're because, like, Louie's basically my secretary

when it comes to this stuff, too.

Like, he just handles it. Thank you quite not to do with

that information, but here we. Go All right.

I'm also a little perturbed because I have a fantasy

football draft starting in about 20-4 minutes.

Yeah. So not that we're going to try

to get this through. Like, I'm actually kind of

hoping I get the draft on the on the air.

So you know, I'm actually, you're not looking at this.

I'm looking at the show sheet. Yeah.

And something that Zach does, you didn't do, OK, you don't

have replays, right? Well, I thought we had a

conversation about not doing that stuff anymore.

Got it. That's not what that

conversation was. OK.

Well, I missed it. OK, That's all right.

Let's talk about those. Let's talk about the races.

So we get Archangelo winning the Travers.

That's obviously the story of the Weekend one as far as the

results of the races, right? Because Jenna puts herself in

the conversation for all kinds of things now, and Archangelo's

got to be the lead horse for three-year old, for three-year

old of the year. You texted me something like

she's trainer of the year, and I think that's hyperbole.

She's having an unbelievable year and it's almost certainly

in the history of horse racing, the greatest high profile year

for for a female trainer. What if she wins the classic,

though? That's the that's the real

question. But can you really say Train of

the Year based on just one horse?

If our Angela wants a classic and she does that good of a

training job with him, then we're talking about it.

I mean that's that's tough. I get it.

I mean, I I don't know. I mean, like, but for me the

story of her is like and just really like man, I just, I

really enjoyed having her on her show just because she just her.

Her personality was fantastic. Yeah, I mean, she's great.

It was good. So, but yeah, Arkangelo, I mean,

looks, looks great. I mean, what were your takeaways

from that race? I I thought that that was number

one, that the style that he runs especially and you, it's a good

point you make. They're running at the classic

distance 10 for Long's there, right?

Yeah. So he's already shown he's

capable of it both in the Belmont and then he runs it back

in the Traverse in a really meaningful way.

And he showed that he's good when he's fresh.

And so if they train him up to the to the classic, which I

imagine they'll do, it's. Going to be fresh for that and I

wouldn't, I wouldn't touch it. They they just announced they

shipped white of they're shipping white of Barrio out

West to start his training up until the classic.

I think that's a good idea. And so, yeah, interested to see

just the the maneuvers of some of these horses.

But I think that, yeah, we've seen Archangello at his best,

frankly, and he put away that field.

Man, he did. He was the best horse in that

field that it wasn't really a question.

And so to me, he moves into the top five for the for the

Classic, I think, no question. I know.

Let's talk though. I mean, I think it's also

something where we got to talk about the rest of these horses

too. Forte really didn't fire.

Mage didn't even get out of the gate, had trouble coming out of

the gate, Tap a trice, you know, I don't know.

It's still showing a lot of immaturity, right?

Is there any chance Tap A Trice is a very immature eventual good

four and five year old horse, or is he just quirky and immature?

I think he's going to be quirky in him in forever, right?

Yeah, I agree with you. Yeah, I agree.

If if Todd Fletcher can't get it out of him right, there is no

trainer that can get. That I mean disarm come through

that nice run they finished second there.

But that as much as I would love to say that it's Steve Asmussen

you know training him up which I know he loves that horse at

longer distances and he loves that horse with the ability to

close. I You know to me, at the

Archangel is the lead story, but.

The fact that the rest of this three-year old field just can't

really keep it together is really what it comes.

I agree with you. I also think that we've seen

something very disappointing, which is that this classic field

this year is not going to be very good.

Probably not. It is not especially deep.

The top of it is not especially great and I think it's an

opportunity when we get at this point, we may learn something.

This Saturday that's a real possibility.

Go rock and ride. Go wins, wins the Pacific

Classic and does it for fun, for example.

We're having a very different conversation I think next week

on the show that we are right now, but I'm not anticipating

that. I think the funded is legit out

there. I think there are other horses

in there that are real specialists over two turns that

are Southern California specialists that are in that

race that are going to give him a lot of trouble.

You know the course is coming out of Saratoga.

How good is rattle and roll? We watched him run off 3 races

in a row. He wins that really you and I

were there. That incredible Pimlico special,

right. That finish is as good as race,

as we've seen in person as far as the finish.

And he comes back and he loses the Stephen Foster.

He wins the blame 2 weeks later, comes back, runs Stephen Foster

loses by less than a length to a very good horse in West

Willpower at Ellis Park. Are we gonna hold Ellis Park

against him? I'm not.

Not anymore. I'm not doing that anymore with

any of those because it seems like, I mean, there's just some

strategic, there's some strategy there about those lower tracks.

Mean Indiana's doing it. Ellis is doing a turquoise doing

it. Let's go for it.

No I agree with you. And and the fourth race, you

know essentially maybe even if you want to go back to March the

5th race between March and then that race early July.

It's a lot of races for a horse these days right.

And and I mean kudos to Kenny Mcpeak.

He's figured out that this horse was ready to fire, shows up in

that Ben Ali or excuse me, in the blame.

The Ben Ali was earlier Keeneland but it shows up in

that blame at Churchill Downs runs as as well as any had a ton

of traffic issues in that race was still totally fine and so

I'm interested. That's the kind of horse that

can give me hope that we have a Breeders' Cup winner that's

running this weekend and and I'm interested to see what he ends

up doing. I do find it very, you know,

just to go back to the Travers, we had all three Triple Crown

winners, right? And we had Forte.

Yep. Who was, you know, probably the

most hyped horse going into the Triple Crown.

Yep. And Archangel still put it all

away. Put him away.

Yeah, yeah, Put him away. No question.

So congratulations to Gin Antonychi, the connections there

and I'm seeing a little bit of Forte talk and like talking him

down. I want to remind people that's

the two year old champion won a grade one this year.

Yeah, and just won the Jim Dandy a Grade 2.

Yeah, he's no like that's why Archangel still have that much

better. He's still good horse.

The fact that Archangel just ran him off his feet is really it's

it's worth remarking, yes. OK.

So we're going to move on then, to the echo, Zulu's dominant

performance in the ballerina. What did you think about that?

Well, it was par for the course for her.

What's interesting is she didn't get her usual trip, and so she

actually had to do a bunch of extra work that she usually

doesn't have to do, and she still put away a very good

horse. Good night all right.

Matarea, fine horse as well, right.

Frankly talked to Brad Cox the day before last Friday.

He was really high on Matarea's chances.

They had pointed to this the entire summer in the same way

that they pointed verifying in the previous race.

I I, I think right now EZ is your single on on Breakers Cup

day. She's that good right now in

that race because I don't know who's going to catch her.

She's that good. So, you know, if you can put all

of the things I don't, all of the things you say about Steve

Asmussen, that's his specialty, is that Sprint distance.

His very best horses are at that distance.

And then there's Gun Runner, right.

So I would say in this case, she's the best going in her

class in the United States right now.

Yeah, I'm just, you know what? So what's happened to?

Good night, Olive. Nothing.

She ran into EZ. Yeah, just echoes.

Just awesome right now, yeah. OK, there's no shame.

Plus, she's she's that that closer sprinter.

That's a very precarious place to be because everyone else is

ahead of you, right? And you've got to make a trip

every time. Now can she win the race?

Of course you can. Totally talented.

She's going to have irad, all those things.

But as of right now, EZ, the best sprinter in the country.

I think even male or female. Like, so you're like even taking

because that male feels strong. It is strong.

I think she's way up there though.

I think she's incredible. Do you see her go against the

boys? No, she doesn't need to.

OK, yeah, she doesn't need to. And then we're going to move on

to the sword dancer, the Ma Half race on the inner turf, Bolshoi

Ballet. No one in that race is finishing

in the top five of their race in the British Cup.

So toss this race. It does not matter for the

Breeders Cup. Congrats to the connections.

Glad you made it. So 150,000 out there, 100%, all

that stuff. I'll see you in Los Angeles.

Not. Not.

Not going to matter. Not going to factor, all right,

That's what I learned from. There, if you haven't noticed,

we're talking a lot of Breeders' Cup stuff.

And so as part of our second segment tonight of the Horse

Racing 101, we wanted to just explain something that, you

know, maybe some fans are not aware of, I guess, but the

Breeders Cup Challenge series, which is really kind of

fascinating to me. It's what's it's something they

did, you know, I was shocked actually when I started looking

at this. It's been around since 2007.

And it's something they did basically did give a little bit

of a season feel to the rest of the horse racing year.

It's good for TV for example, right?

Yeah, you know if you're if you're NBC and you're carrying

the the Breeders Cup, if they say, hey, we're going to help

you get people interested in the Breeders Cup and do those races

that lead up to the Breeders Cup makes a lot of sense that.

Way too. It's also helpful because I

think it's like, you know, we talk about it sometimes that

people in global are Derby fans. You know, and people in like

Lexington and Saratoga are horse racing fans.

San Diego. Yeah, San Diego.

The difference being is that there are unbelievable horses

running on Derby in Oaks Day that are not in the Derby or the

Oaks and lots of people are completely oblivious to it.

And so it gives you a chance maybe to kind of follow horses

career a little bit, understand what they're doing.

So in 2007, before we do that, I want to mention our friends at.

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It's a fun day of racing, one that we always cover on this

show. It's in that sweet spot, like

2-3 weeks before Breeders' Cup when no one's running except for

Keenland. But those aren't even Breeders'

Cup races. It's just the Keenland races.

Yeah, which is fine. I mean, it's so great racing at

Keenland. And it's also just they're

unbelievably packed because the football Saturdays are.

It's crazy. And with sports betting now.

Yeah, in 2007, when the fierce Gov Channel series started,

start with just 24 races at six different race tracks.

United States and Canada. This year they have got they're

racing in all six continents. Wow, there's an African race.

There's a South African beautiful.

I like that. Now will those horses travel?

Well, you'll know, but those races basically are determined

that are all kind of slotted towards.

The race, that horse and basically winning, you're in,

yes. You know, it's not a point

system. It's like if you win this race,

you're going to get your you're going to get your entry into the

breeder scuff, and if you choose to take it, it's there.

So do you think the Hunter Point races as Derby prep should be

winning in? They basically are.

They are. They are the 50 point races be

winning in. Well, they basically are, too.

Not this year, they weren't. You had a horse who want to who

won a 50 point race. We had multiple horses with 40

points 4640. 8 But that's fifty points.

Did we have a horse under 50 and I make the field?

It's a good question. OK.

No, I guess they kind of are based on how the system is,

yeah. Which one do you like better

though? Do you like beasty system one

spot or do you like the point system where like, hey go finish

start? I well, I don't know if you'd

want to like do the entire BC field that way.

It just doesn't seem like it's kind of fits. the Breeders kept

mold. OK, so I think which each?

Race has for their works, for their system, so the Derby point

system for the Derby. I think it's changed the the

continued Derby for the better. I think it's been a great

addition the the breedest cup. Having those couple winning your

ends, knowing maybe you have three or four for each race out

there, you know, that seems to be so like in 2022 there were, I

don't know, I thought it told me how many races there were.

There were 71 races across 13 countries last year, so and I

know this year it's a little bit, it's even grown from there.

I think there's 73 races. So I do like that aspect of it.

So and the one thing that I'm not a huge fan of at the

Breeders Cup really is how much. And I and I understand why they

do it. I'm not a big fan of the Friday

of the Breeders Cup, the how they do, the juvenile part of

it, yeah. I'd rather than mix it in, I

think. Interesting, Okay.

I think a lot of fans agree with you, yeah.

Yeah. You know the Stars of Tomorrow

card. I understand why.

Especially like for television, you don't want that.

But same time. Yeah, I I I'm.

The Friday breach doesn't do much for me, Okay.

Yeah. I'm a spoiled brat.

I agree with that. Yeah, You know, I understand why

they do it. It doesn't bother me as much as

it bothers you. I'll put it that way.

Yeah, I don't necessarily say it bothers me.

It just like. Doesn't do it for.

Doesn't do it for me. Got it.

It's not. It's not my thing.

All right, marilynmillion.com. Go check them out.

Some fun day racing, especially if you're any of our listeners

on the East Coast. Very easy to get to.

Are you Are you a Labor Day person?

Are you doing anything for a Labor Day weekend?

You know my my wife to her credit, I've had some

professional things work out. She's actually taking more time

off and so she actually has a four day weekend and she said Oh

my gosh, we have to go do something.

We have to go do this. And I said, lady, hell no.

We have plenty to do. We're hanging out of the house.

Fill it up now. You want to step around town?

You want to go to the zoo? You want to do those things?

Fine. But we don't need to.

No, we're good. No.

How are you going to spend your Saturday with little, little

horse racing, Little football, Correct.

How's that going to work? Yeah, so my team plays tomorrow

on Friday night. Michigan State.

They do, but I have to watch the local team.

And then Louisville plays the Georgia Tech game.

Tomorrow I'll watch the Kentucky game and then I'm good to go.

Man, Kentucky, Full disclosure, might be a condensed game

instead of watching the actual live game.

I don't. I think that's definitely ready

to go with that one. Yeah.

I think the 45 minute version of that game is probably better for

my time than 3 1/2 hours or 4 hours.

What play Ball State? Yeah, I can make really good

notes for you. I'm also like I have you as a

resource too now, which is great.

So that works out for me a really significant way.

All right, we're gonna talk. We're gonna go out to Saratoga.

We're gonna talk about one race out.

Saratoga. I know this is one that you love

every year. The $1,000,000 Jockey Club gold.

I do love this race. You're right.

So, well, you should ask me who won last year.

I should ask you who won last year?

Hey, Louie, who won this last year?

Olympiad. I've had to pull it up so I

don't have that kind of, I'm gonna, I'm gonna guess Olympiad,

man. OK, I'll pull it up.

While you talked about this, that horse, I've never felt

worse for a horse in my life as far as their accomplishments in

Olympiad because he ran the same year's flight line.

OK. That's I think that's fair.

As good as a Breedership Classic was last year, it's going to be

the exact opposite this year. He ran second in that race after

just an incredible spring, like he had the totality of a Horse

of the Year type of year, and Flightline happened to exist the

same year. It's just the worst.

Flightline is a beast. Yeah, that's the issue.

All right, so are you singling rattle and roll in this race?

I'm not. I do think he's.

I do think he's the best horse in this race as far as horses

we've seen this year two turns older dirt and being.

Yeah, Olympia won it last year. How about that that he's the

most consistent. I'm not going to hold that.

You know that last race you and I are talking off air about this

that's Stephen Foster. He loses to West willpower.

Well I'm surprised by the way not to see either in this field

or out West of the Pacific classic.

I thought that the West would would get him into a race and

try to get him to qualify for the British Cup Classic.

Simply they must be doing something different with them,

which is fine. I just think Rattle and Roll

wildly consistent did win that Pemlico special we talked about

comes back wins after two weeks later.

I think he's absolutely on top here as far as class agree with

morning line maker up there David Aragon on that one.

Proxy's a horse that made me look really smart when he came

back and he won. Oh gosh, the Clark last year,

right? Yeah, the Clark and and I

remember we talked about it because he was coming off a

layoff from July. It run on the Foster and then

they didn't run on me. Brought it back in the Clark and

I said no, no, I kind of like the layoff for him and then he

burst out of a candidate. He was great that day.

To me Proxy is the class of of being 5 in multiple years of

good races and winning those kinds of races.

I think he's got a serious shot to win the British Cup Classic.

Proxy this. Yes, in this, in this year's

group, in this year's, you know. You know corral of horses that

are going to qualify for the British Cup Classic.

I also think he's got a really serious shot on Saturday.

Really, really serious. So I would look at him as well.

But I would look to the 6th horse here, Tyson, if you want

to like. Good freaking luck figuring out

if this horse is going to win coming off the synthetic in in

in Canada. Never run without Lasix but just

doesn't lose races. Well has he been has he been

accused of sexual assault yet? Cause that's your Tyson was

accused of sexual assault. I don't think everyone again.

Oh, it's a man they use and about.

No, not on the sheet I look though.

All right. Took my time.

Yeah, well, you talk about. But a son of tap it, actually.

Once he lost the Buster Douglas like his it was.

Over son of Tap it and and so like all of the things are

there. He was originally trained by

Todd Pletcher broke his maiden at Gulfstream going two turns on

the synthetic. He's been running on the

synthetic his whole life. But we've seen horses jump off

the synthetic including his barnmaid Duke of love who's in

this game in this race. Excuse me?

In in the 7th hole for this one under Louie Contreras one last

time in the West Virginia governors in the in the in the

grade 3 so gets on dirt for the first time and he wins.

Ken Josie Carroll train Tyson to do that.

That's the horse that I'm going to be watching on Saturday.

You get many Franco really interested to see.

I think he's more of a hit the board candidate, but I would go

for 1/6 here in the Gold Cup. All right, putting some money,

but Speaking of stuff and money, people's pockets, can we talk a

little bit about? And I didn't put it up on the

screen like you asked me to. I failed you once again.

Yeah, this is really a crappy episode.

Yeah, yeah. Thanks.

No problem. Let's talk a little bit about

the gold cheating. And today was gold Book.

The gold book. Yeah.

Today was the, the launch of the gold book.

Yeah, we, it was a good launch. Days happened and so Kevin

Kilroy, friend of the show, is helping me out with this.

He and I are doing the the horse side of things our friend Mark

Ennis is doing. A lot of the football side,

you're hanging out with us on some of the SEC stuff,

especially league that you follow very closely as part of

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And we wanted to be first to market with in a in a place like

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have in this state. And so Thursday through Sunday,

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Our top picks at the the biggest attracts in the country today.

We did a Saratoga, Del Mar and Kentucky Downs.

I gave out two trifectas straight up in the in the sheet

and then Kevin did the second-half of the card there.

He did. Saratoga I, did Del Mar and

Kevin's well, hang on. Kevin's top play at Saratoga

One, all right. And then in the stakes, he gave

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Holy cow. So, like we had a good day for

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Will will have had an incredibly profitable right.

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It's gonna have your pick six for the for this.

For Delmar. For Delmar that we're gonna talk

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allowance optional claiming race, but we're going to only

talk about the stakes races which starts with the the Grade

2. That would be the only race that

you're going to have to definitely get it for, but yes,

yeah. The great piece of comments on

other stuff, too. The great Two Delmore Mile

$300,000 Race a Mile on the Turf at the Where the Serve Meets the

Turf. Who was your pick in this one

movie? Bing.

Crosby, Bing Crosby, you said. Sorry you.

Know that's what. That's the song.

Yes. Yeah, but there's just been

Cosby Stakes now. That's where I got a little.

I was like. Wait a minute.

The chosen for on isn't in here. Look, I I'm interested to hear.

I think the funded is excuse me, we're in the Delmar mile.

Sorry, the four horse is exalted.

Later we'll talk about the fund of the four horse exalted in

here, man 3, four straight wins, all of them at a mile.

All of them in Santa Anita. So if you wanted to knock the

horse you would say, hey, he's never run at Del Mar.

I have good news for everybody. His jockey and trainer have won

five of their last date at Del Mar and Juan Hernandez cannot

miss at the track right now. He's been on this horse for all

four of those wins in a row. Allowance optional claimer in

three grade one wins the Shoemaker mile.

That is a legit probably. Boy, I want to be careful.

That might be the most grade one of grade one races on the West

Coast Okay. I think it's that good.

I think turf racing on the West Coast is better than the dirt

racing is as far as older horses especially.

And so I think that Shoemaker mile win is a big one.

He wins it over irodeo who's in this field.

People are going to sleep on irodeo and they need not to.

Tiago Perez got them out there. It's just lesser known

connections here and that's why you're going to get a 12:50 type

price on that horse. I don't think he beats.

I'm exalted in this race but look for the 10 Irideo to hit

the board. If you need to play show bet

kind of thing. If you're playing by the way

the, the, the place all bet at Del Mar that day, I would

absolutely include Irideo in it because you can hit this race

multiple times that which would be really great.

You're not a Valmikoff fan. I I'm not in this case.

I do think Dujour Bob Bafferts 1 turf horse in the world owned by

his wife. Is utter Flavian pride here one

last time under one Hernandez who's going to exalt it very

understandably. But Dujour ran one of the great

races you and I have ever been in person for here at Churchill

Downs. She won the American turf on

Derby day in 2021 and excuse me, he did and and that was a an all

time great performance on the turf here at Churchill Downs.

A little bit of bias me including that horse in my

picks. I went 4110 in the the Delmarma

Balmikov came in second in that race the next year and that's.

Remember watching him? Yeah, that's.

Very fine, very fine works, Yep, that's what I'm saying.

I think for older horses, especially in the West Coast,

the turf racing is considerably better than the racer.

Alright, we're gonna move on to the Phil Milkinson, Phil Milkens

and stakes the Tour de Ponds. There's $800 million in bets

here. No, no, 150,000.

Our purse. OK, first stakes race can take

just laughed at that mile on the dirt.

They had a quarter $1,000,000 allowance today and buy a

quarter $1,000,000 allowance. I mean, I hit two of them.

The takeout rates are 8% lower. Draft starts in 23 seconds.

Here we go. I got the 5th pick by the way,

but. We're oh, there you go.

How about that? Yeah, it's like 14 team deal

like you, you start getting down to like the third tree and

running backs and stuff like that the same, OK.

That do what you gotta do. You gotta know what you're

talking about. All right.

Do we have a we have a single in this race?

Because I think we could. No, I'm gonna try to beat phase

it here. You're gonna beat phase.

I think she's beatable. There it is.

You nerds the and it takes one in a while.

I get it. Sidney Crusher coming second off

the layoff here. I think it's an absolute must

play here. Edwin Maldonado.

Doug O'Neill Barne last time going two turns, ran a 92 buyer.

Guess who's never done that Faisa.

Before that she ran a 94. Guess who's never done that

before. Faisa.

So look, this is a horse fully capable of winning.

This race has been favored in every race she's ever want a run

daughter of Mr. Big, which is that.

That classic California breeding out there, I think she's got a

legitimate shot here. Gets back to the two turns.

Don't love that Juan Hernandez is jumping off, but do trust

Edwin Maldonado here. I think the last race at 7

Furlongs was purely just to get her back in shape for this run.

I think they've been pointing to the Torrey Pines all year and so

I think she'll run a big race here.

I do think you include phase of here the 9:00 because it's

Bafford and it's Delmar and it's two turns and and and that's the

kind of race. That his horses will pick off as

well. I went inside to the one horse

for the last pick here was you Stick.

Because if you look at the pace scenario for this race, I do

think you've got a bunch of horses who either want the

leader want to press you stick is able to pick up the the

pieces. If this thing falls apart at the

front if phase it gets going way too fast and drags other horses

with her. I think you could see a horse

like you stick under a very mature ride from a guy like Mike

Smith who did exactly the same thing.

I go rocket ride. In the Haskell that all of us

watched, I think you could get that from that horse.

I'm not going to bank on it though.

I think your winner comes from the outside.

The only thing if you wanted to knock them is because of the

layout of Delmar. You start at the finish line,

you end at the finish line. You are essentially in the first

turn as soon as that race starts and they're on the outside.

If you wanted a reason to go against them, that would be it.

But I'm going to stick with them anyway. 10:00 and 9:00 in this

race. OK, then we're going to move on

to the Green Flash Handicap. Another $150,000 race. 5

prolongs on the turf. This field to me seems like it's

wide open. Yes, I agree with you on that.

And generally speaking, in these, in these turf sprints,

man, if you can get like a Caravelle or something like

that, you feel a lot better about it.

Or maybe how about this, Nobody listens, not in this field, but

I would say in this field I went to a couple of different spots.

I think you can get a price here, 5-6 to one, that kind of

thing went to the 8 on top here. Notorious Umberto recently.

I'll be really honest, I don't know if he's going to be.

Back on his feet by Saturday they had to carve him off.

Today it was not a good scene at Delmar race one.

I don't know how they do it. I really don't understand it at

all. But if he if he's on there, this

horse lost to no balls last time at Churchill and the turf Sprint

won the Sam Simeon before that. I think it's going to come back

and run a huge race. Has been training really, really

well on the turf course because I've been able to train on the

turf course with this horse. I think that this five year old

building is really ready to go. I would lead in there, I think

the most consistent speed. In the race, more of a midpack

and then close kind of sprinter and we have a ton of early speed

here so I'm actually going to lean on a horse that has to make

make his own race. In this case a special

especially if Umberto's okay and can go on Saturday.

If he can't but we'll talk about something different.

But I hope he's okay Umberto feel feel better man.

We've had him on the show before and he's he's really a good guy.

Turn on The Jets is a three horse here.

I'm going on recency and on. Just overall speed in his last

race at 5 furlongs and he did it at Del Mars, 3 for three at Del

Mar. So I'm kind of going horse for

course here. I think that's one that we can

lean on here. Hector, Hector Barrios in the

mount here. Sneaky 15% of Del Mar.

And when you're at a place with bigger mounts or excuse me,

bigger fields and you get the mounts that he does 15 percents.

Really good. Really good.

He's running for Phil d'amato here, two of them.

He get 32% at Del Mar. I love that 6 to 1 price.

Now that I'm thinking about it might have that horse just

hasn't really run in in graded stakes.

Has won a listed stakes before last three out.

Essentially went first and then ran forth but by one length

comes back wins last time out is going to be part of the

equation. At the end is essentially what

I'm getting at. And then I went to the 6th horse

here that's lane way. Mike Smith again.

Richard Mandela One last time out, last three races.

A win, A loss by less than two lengths and then win again.

And I I just think, and then a second, again, this horse is

always right there in turf sprints, Mike.

I try to do that where, let's be honest, like we're just trying

to have a chance at the end of the race.

Yeah, those three horses I think give you a chance.

But I also agree with your sentiment coming into this grab

as many as you can you know to build your ticket if you're

going longer. Especially part of that pick

sex. So Scott is so all button maybe

here we. Go the pick sex.

That's catch up all right. The FanDuel.

Grade one FanDuel racing at Pacific Classic.

The star of the weekend. Go rock it right here.

And we already know that Stiletto Boy Tripoli defunded.

I mean this is a slow down Andy. This is a great great field

Arabian Knights in this race. Where did you land on this one?

You know, last year this is actually when we met John Lindo

and one of the things we talked about with him as far as West

Coast racing and where which races are the most important.

He talked about Big Cap Day at Santa Anita, right?

Remember, they used to say all that.

That's the big race. Pacific Classic has not only

gone past the big cap, it is miles ahead, way, way past.

And so Million dollar race, the handicaps are $300,000 race.

Let's just put it that way. So let's call it what it is,

right? Yeah.

Big Cap Day is not what it used to be.

The Pacific classes, because everything that you want it to

be, I think defunded on top for me here 5 Horse, Bob Bafford,

Juan Hernandez, the two of them. Not a small sample size 72 runs

at Delmar, 33% winning percentage that is not to be

sneezed at. Everything about this sets up

well for him. Essentially.

Second off the layoff coming out of that San Diego handicap 1 by

Senor Buscador. Second to slow down Andy who

will talk about in a second here.

He finished fourth by but by 3 1/2 links.

It's not like he was run off the field here.

Mile in a 16th. I think he's going to like a

little bit of added distance here.

He's never missed the board going a mile and 1/4.

I think that matters. I think that experience really

does matter. Interested to see him here.

I think he's the most likely winner of the Pacific Classic.

I did go inside to the one go rocket ride shot out of a

cannon. Horrible pun intended.

Dad joke. Go ahead and drink.

I This is one of those horses, Mike.

If he shows up this weekend, I think we're talking about the

Pacific Classic in a very different way.

Excuse me, the Breeders Cup Classic in a very different way.

And on top of that we're also talking about who the real 3

year old of the year is because if you can win the Haskell and

then the freaking Pacific Classic against older horses.

What we did last year is Eclipse voters and we did wrong is we

did not give it to modern games as a three-year old winner, he

had beaten older horses in Group one and in grade ones multiple

times. We didn't give him that award

last year if Go Rocket Ride wins the Pacific Classic.

And shows up at all in the Breeders Cup Classic.

I would put him ahead of Archangelo with the three-year

old class. I think that's fair.

OK, so I'm going to include him because I think he's got a legit

shot here. The seven horses in here, that

is our guy. Slow down, Andy.

Last time Kevin was on, we did this, we did the the Delmar

Handicap, San Diego Handicap, excuse me.

And he was like, I think, Sanyo, Bruce Goodhore's going to win

that race. And I'm like, yeah, sure, buddy.

And he does. And then I was like, I think

Slaton and he's going to win that race, run second.

That was not a terrible exact that I have, by the way,

interested to see Slow down, Andy here.

It is so hard for me, even after years and years of looking at

his horses, to figure out Doug O'Neill and what his intentions

are. Mike, they ran this horse into

grade one in the oh gosh no, you're in a grade two in the

Delmar Derby on turf. And he wins and he's run one

time ever on turf and they've never put him back.

It's Doug O'Neill, man. Just good luck.

Just good luck and and so the horse does everything.

This is a horse by the way. His ran second last time was not

great in the Met mile behind Cody's wish.

I'm not mad at him about that again.

If you draw a line through that. By the way, his results are

second in the San Diego Handicap grade, two third in the Breeders

Cup, mile behind Cody's wish by less than two lengths.

That guy finished within two lengths of Cody's wish in the

Breeders Cup. Awesome.

Right before that runs of the awesome again, a grade one

against older horses finishes third by less than three

lengths. Before that wins in the Delmar

Derby, this guy's going to hit the board.

That's that's what he does. He picks up checks.

He's made almost $1,000,000 to go over 1,000,000 bucks in this

race. As a four year old son of

Nyquist, we're seeing those those progeny come out really,

really well. I think he's absolutely going to

be part of the equation here. So I would use those three

horses here, five, one and seven.

All right. We're moving on to the big cap

like we talked about the Delmar Handicap $300,000 race Mom 3/8

on the turf. Gonna be going off at 9:45 at

night Eastern Time. So, you know, check it out

before the Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah, it's best.

Yeah, it's fantastic, I think. You asked earlier, do we have a

single in this race? I think my single might be here,

Okay, which is interesting because I I was looking at these

races. I really agree.

I'm with you. I thought I'd see Faze's name

and go now. We're good.

Cold Phoenix. It is gold, Phoenix.

Yeah. And and I think you get that

Juan Hernandez, 3 to one, I mean, that's a like.

A OH in a race with a bunch of seven to twos and four to one is

just killer in California for sure.

Yeah, that's right. And this is a horse 2 for three

at Del Mar, lifetime one for one at the distance Hector Barrios

on Last time we get Juan Hernandez in the saddle now I

think that's a massive upgrade. Last time they ran together was

in the John Henry that was at Santa Anita.

They lost by neck to master of fox hounds who was at the time a

very, very good. California Grass Horse as well

the stretch out a distance here Gold Phoenix has actually done

it. A lot of the horses in this race

have either not done it or they've been bad at it.

So it's kind of the in between. You do get 9/11 turbo which is a

Porsche joke. Mike, the reason that's a joke

is because you and I are dads and like the Nine and like you

fitting into 911 would be very funny.

Yeah, I've got. You just compare 911 space was

and so that's that's one of those.

But I would lean really hard on that.

I do think the 9 here Planetario who we saw at Monmouth in the

United Nations didn't love the distance in that one.

So I'm a little worried about that but got a good ride under

Mike Smith. Did finish within a couple of

lengths of therapist and catnip who are both running really well

this summer. I think could could jump up

here. Was better on the West Coast

before the horse shipped E 1, the San Juan Capistrano Grade 3

before that. So the horse has been right

there in these races. Interested to see if he comes

back and does well with that then the sixth horse was another

one that I would include here in Awfully Naughty, which is not a

good name for this show. Should not change our name to.

Awfully naughty, I would agree. OK, Hunter, who better recently?

And again, part of this is if Umberto's available on Saturday

and I pray to God he is. Him and Mike McCarthy, a very

fine combination at 24% overall. The horses speed figures are not

going to blow you away, but this is the horse that won the San

Luis Ray at a mile and a half and then before that won a race

at a mile and 1/4. So this is a distance horse on

the grass, right. And when you get in Barreto and

you get this kind of set up, I think he's absolutely got a shot

here 10/9 at six here in handicap.

I'm taking Win the Day on a place show bet.

Yeah, this year, I think that's a 51.

Of your mantras that's it's a 50% or 50 to one on that.

Let's go. I love that Doug O'Neill was

your Doug O'Neill so why not Jack four start ever on the

fifth start on turf. So there you go.

Let's go for it when that. Listen, when the day back, you

know, going into that Derby season last year was, yeah,

considered to be up there and they just kind of fell apart.

So we're gonna wrap up this one, but I wanted to tell people

we'll have a longer episode out tomorrow.

Kevin Kilroy, join us, he'll talk jockey, Gold Club.

You Got It tomorrow. Radio show coming.

On 11/20 tomorrow, we're going to have John Lindo from

Thoroughbred LA Yeah, we love John you.

Say we. And then what's that?

You said we. But you mean you.

I'm with Dan. Oh, Dan.

OK, It's we. Yeah.

And it's not Avery's there. It's not we.

You're not part of the royal we no.

And then and then we'll have Kate and Bernar is going to join

us. I've never even.

I mean, I've, I've met her and talked to her, but I've never

gotten to do. Haiti Kathy with her.

I'm very excited actually. I think she's one of the best

people that works with the FanDuel TVG folks.

I think she's great excited to talk to her.

We'll have her to close the show tomorrow.

So you'll have all three of those in a single episode

tomorrow as well. Showcasing the three big tracks

for Saturday. And again, gold book bets.com.

Go in find our pics. Listen to the show tomorrow.

I think you have a lot of info all.

Right, so you know, I got my first pick in.

K Who'd you get? So again, deeper draft, right

And OK. This keeper at all is a keeper

and it's a 2 keeper and I missed the keeper deadline so I did not

make my keeper selections and so I I ended up doing something

that you normally don't do but I got Patrick Mahomes, I drafted

go back in the first round so. I I think drafting the running

back first is overrated right now it is because running backs

are like, I don't know who's going to get it and like you

know, I don't like most rather go receiver.

But you know, Mahomes is going to be good for 3040 points and

there's a big. Around a little bit.

There's a big drop off between him and Josh Allen and everybody

else. So I I went, I went a little bit

against the grain and and did that.

I know you used to play fancy football.

You're not fancy football got really more.

It's. Been about a decade.

Yeah. Yeah, we got a little.

You've been on my street in my Culdesac.

I have and. You've almost killed one of my

children there. Well, yeah.

OK. Remember that time you made me

homeless And then the other time you almost killed one of my

kids? The the forgiving, the dads.

The dads decided to do a league this year.

So we drafted on Sunday night, which is a little early for me,

but they still want to draft some night.

Guy. Guy just moved on the street.

Love CJ. Good dude.

Moved here from Montana. Never.

Doesn't really fall football. Has never played fancy football

before. Drafted 4 tight ends.

Oh, I'm not going to draft 4 tight ends.

I don't know what else is going to so anyway if anyone cares.

About you Giants hat on No, You're giants.

You have your Giants hat on. This is like 49ers hat, 49ers,

right? My head is still in baseball.

I'm definitely not cheering for the Giants.

I apologize. My head's still.

I need literally, I have 0 minutes.

They're playing big time big boy college football right now.

So I need to change my mentality.

But you got. Well, there you go.

Yeah, yeah. And the Reds are off today, so

we're not really. How about that?

Yeah. That's a good time.

Yeah, big series for the Reds against the Cubs.

They got four games to come up against the Cubs.

Two tomorrow, yeah. So.

I mean, they got to get three of those games.

No question. All right.

Yeah. Everyone have a great weekend.

Enjoy your Labor Day. Be safe and we will talk to you

all next week. Take care.

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